Transfer non-OA visa & extension stamp to new Passport - Chaeng Wattana

[TerraplaneGuy]

Has anyone recently tried transferring a non-Immigrant OA visa and/or an extension of stay stamp based on it into a new passport at CW?   Long ago I did it with no problem so my current passport does not itself contain the original visa, it contains a box with info regarding the original visa, as well as a recent extension of stay stamp.   I just got a new passport and want to transfer those items into it.  This is in preparation for getting a new LTR visa (the LTR office insists on first doing the transfer of the old stuff).    But the LTR office wrote me "only certain types of visas—such as specific Non-Immigrant B visas, Smart Visas, and LTR Visas—are eligible for transfer at the immigration office."  Since they didn't mention OA visa, I'm asking here.  Anybody done it recently?

 

[DrJack54]

1 hour ago, TerraplaneGuy said:

I just got a new passport and want to transfer those items into it. 

You are asking two basically unrelated questions.

The stamp transfer and visa information can be transferred.

Does not require pp with original Visa.

There is no appointment for that at CW.

It will be done at extension L desks.

Here is form CW use. The required docs at bottom.

Be aware that CW also now require Bank Book with print outs and update.

https://aseannow.com/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=939160&key=2e63bc0d8abee18369df31b777516cb4

 

Re LTR..suggest deal with that separately 

 

[TerraplaneGuy]

20 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

You are asking two basically unrelated questions.

The stamp transfer and visa information can be transferred.

Does not require pp with original Visa.

There is no appointment for that at CW.

It will be done at extension L desks.

Here is form CW use. The required docs at bottom.

Be aware that CW also now require Bank Book with print outs and update.

https://aseannow.com/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=939160&key=2e63bc0d8abee18369df31b777516cb4 499.19 kB · 99 downloads

 

Re LTR..suggest deal with that separately 

 

Thanks- but to be clear, what about the question whether specifically the OA visa (and/or its extension) is transferable at CW?    Understand:  the LTR office requires you to do this transfer on your own, through the regular Immigration procedure, before they will commence their issuance.  They do not get involved.  I only mention them because it is their statement (above) that made me nervous that maybe the OA is not transferable.

[DrJack54]

32 minutes ago, TerraplaneGuy said:

Thanks- but to be clear, what about the question whether specifically the OA visa (and/or its extension) is transferable at CW? 

Visas are never transfered. 

The details of the Visa be it eg Non O or Non O-A etc are noted in first page of new pp. 

Stamps such as reentry permit etc are entered into new pp. Fresh stamp. 

The last extension stamp details will also be transferred. 

[proton]

I did it this week, they wanted all pages with stamps on copied from old passport, they have a new form for it so don't download one

[DrJack54]

8 hours ago, proton said:

I did it this week, they wanted all pages with stamps on copied from old passport, they have a new form for it so don't download one

What new form? 

Do you have a, copy. 

[TerraplaneGuy]

10 hours ago, proton said:

I did it this week, they wanted all pages with stamps on copied from old passport, they have a new form for it so don't download one

Thanks - what exactly did they transfer and stamp in the new passport?   Was your original visa an OA?   Are you on that or an extension of stay derived from it?  

[Tod Daniels]

Okay I think the O/P is getting mixed up on the fact that they are on yearly extensions of stays FROM an original OA visa and NOT here on an entry stamp FROM a valid one 😮

As people were correctly saying VISAS can't be moved to a new passport (except Elite and LTR) for "normal people" only extensions can be moved 

The O/P said they're on a yearly extension (and the fact it's from an original OA visa doesn't matter) so they CAN MOST DEFINITELY go to Chaengwattana and get the stamps transferred to the new passport 

One thing to note as DrJack54 correctly pointed out is at Chaengwattana when you're transferring an extension based on retirement you have to update your bank book and bring a copy of it with you to do the process. 

This is the transfer stamp form Chaengwattana uses and on the back of the form are the require copies you need to make
https://tinyurl.com/Transfer-Stamp-PDF

Because "normal people" can't post linx on the forum (to stop spamming) cut and paste that tiny URL link I posted, it's this form 

[TerraplaneGuy]

3 minutes ago, Tod Daniels said:

Okay I think the O/P is getting mixed up on the fact that they are on yearly extensions of stays FROM an original OA visa and NOT here on an entry stamp FROM a valid one 😮

As people were correctly saying VISAS can't be moved to a new passport (except Elite and LTR) for "normal people" only extensions can be moved 

The O/P said they're on a yearly extension so they CAN go to Chaengwattana and get the stamps transferred to the new passport 

One thing to note is at Chaengwattana when you're transferring an extension based on retirement you have to update your bank book and bring a copy of it with you to do the process. 

This is the transfer stamp form Chaengwattana uses and on the back of the form are the require copies you need to make
https://tinyurl.com/Transfer-Stamp-PDF]

I'm OP:  Thanks but actually I'm not confused, I know they won't actually transfer the original visa as such but I've been through this years ago and what they did was put a little info box stamp into my new passport that does (in Thai) record the details of my original OA visa.  And I believe they will also, either in the same or a separate stamp, record the details of my most recent extension of stay.  The problem for me with CW is that, as I noted above, my last extension was done at Koh Samui and there are many reports of people turned away at CW and being told to go back to the office where they got the last extension if they want to transfer to a new passport.  And please note here I'm especially concerned with OA visa/extension and whether CW will transfer that, as I'm told (see above) that only some classes of visa/extension are being transferred.

[Tod Daniels]

6 minutes ago, TerraplaneGuy said:

I'm OP:  Thanks but actually I'm not confused, I know they won't actually transfer the original visa as such but I've been through this years ago and what they did was put a little info box stamp into my new passport that does (in Thai) record the details of my original OA visa.  And I believe they will also, either in the same or a separate stamp, record the details of my most recent extension of stay.  The problem for me with CW is that, as I noted above, my last extension was done at Koh Samui and there are many reports of people turned away at CW and being told to go back to the office where they got the last extension if they want to transfer to a new passport.  And please note here I'm especially concerned with OA visa/extension and whether CW will transfer that, as I'm told (see above) that only some classes of visa/extension are being transferred.

I apologize for not seeing that your last extension was done in Koh Samui

Here's questions you need to answer 
have you filed a TM30 stating you live IN Bangkok now and have you been doing 90 day reporting using the Bangkok address? <- those things are almost a MUST to have them even consider Transferring an out of province extension

If the answer to either of those is NO, (as in you don't have a current TM30, lease, etc showing you live in bangkok and you haven't done any 90 day reporting up here) I would say you need to slog on back to Samui and get the stamps transferred down there where you got the last year extension stamp issued
AND
One final time, you're FINE getting a yearly extension from an original OA visa transferred to a new passport inside the country at the immigration office 

[TerraplaneGuy]

2 minutes ago, Tod Daniels said:

I apologize for not seeing that your last extension was done in Koh Samui

Here's questions you need to answer 
have you filed a TM30 stating you live IN Bangkok now and have you been doing 90 day reporting using the Bangkok address? <- those things are almost a MUST to have them even consider Transferring an out of province extension

If the answer to either of those is NO, (as in you don't have a current TM30, lease, etc showing you live in bangkok and you haven't done any 90 day reporting up here) I would say you need to slog on back to Samui and get the stamps transferred down there where you got the last year extension stamp issued
AND
One final time, you're FINE getting a yearly extension from an original OA visa transferred to a new passport inside the country at the immigration office 

Good points, thanks.  The answer is my most recent TM30 and 90 day reports are both from Koh Samui, as I only moved to BKK a couple months ago (and haven't filed a TM30).  I could cure the TM30 problem by checking into a BKK hotel for a couple of days but my next 90 day isn't due for a couple months so not sure I can do anything about that.  They ought to understand the situation (recent move) but who knows if they will.

[Tod Daniels]

4 minutes ago, TerraplaneGuy said:

They ought to understand the situation (recent move) but who knows if they will.

They will not, and the fact you moved to bangkok a couple months ago yet don't have a TM30 filed (which you do within a few days of moving) will not weigh in your favor at all 

If I could see the future I'd wager that you have a trip to Samui in your near future 😛 to get the stamps moved.

They should be able to do it in a single day, you can't make an appt to get it done (at any office) , you have to just show up queue up and wait it out 

Go get them moved, get a TM30 filed here in bangkok, do your next 90 day report at Chaengwattana and then you're good to go getting extensions up here at this office

[TerraplaneGuy]

1 minute ago, Tod Daniels said:

They will not, and the fact you moved to bangkok a couple months ago yet don't have a TM30 filed (which you do within a few days of moving) will not weigh in your favor at all 

If I could see the future I'd wager that you have a trip to Samui in your near future 😛 to get the stamps moved.

They should be able to do it in a single day, you can't make an appt to get it done (at any office) , you have to just show up queue up and wait it out 

Go get them moved, get a TM30 filed here in bangkok, do your next 90 day report at Chaengwattana and then you're good to go getting extensions up here at this office

I suspect you're right although, about the TM30, I'm thinking that if I get one now for BKK and print it that should probably put that issue to bed.  Yet I agree, still may not be enough.  The only alternative I'm thinking to going to Samui is hiring an agent here in BKK.  I've never done it, done all my extensions etc. myself over the years, but this could be a case where it's worth it to me.  I assume they could do it at CW, they can get bigger things done with no apparent basis.

[Tod Daniels]

Just now, TerraplaneGuy said:

I suspect you're right although, about the TM30, I'm thinking that if I get one now for BKK and print it that should probably put that issue to bed.  Yet I agree, still may not be enough.  The only alternative I'm thinking to going to Samui is hiring an agent here in BKK.  I've never done it, done all my extensions etc. myself over the years, but this could be a case where it's worth it to me.  I assume they could do it at CW, they can get bigger things done with no apparent basis.

Once you start down the "lemme use an agent to grease the wheels and do something that a "normal person" can't do" you will be marked as having used an agent AND every immigration officer at Chaengwattana will know you used one to get those out of province stamps moved 😕 

Here's a thought, if you're so against slogging to Samui, contact a visa agent down there and send your passports to them so they can get them moved for you, that'd work just fine because you got the stamps transferred BY the office that issued the yearly extension..

I would wager it'd cost close to what you would pay to slog down there and do it yourself but you could do it by thai post no problem.  

[TerraplaneGuy]

2 minutes ago, Tod Daniels said:

Once you start down the "lemme use an agent to grease the wheels and do something that a "normal person" can't do" you will be marked as having used an agent AND every immigration officer at Chaengwattana will know you used one to get those out of province stamps moved 😕 

Here's a thought, if you're so against slogging to Samui, contact a visa agent down there and send your passports to them so they can get them moved for you, that'd work just fine because you got the stamps transferred BY the office that issued the yearly extension..

I would wager it'd cost close to what you would pay to slog down there and do it yourself but you could do it by thai post no problem.  

I didn't know they keep track of people that closely but it's worth bearing in mind.  My concern with Samui is partly the slog but also I'm not as confident as you they will do this on a same-day basis.   Things that are same-day at CW (eg extension of stay) take a week at Samui, you've got to leave your passport and return a week later.  Not so sure it will be different for a stamp transfer although it should be, since it's in theory a much simpler process.

[BrandonJT]

If you're in the final process of getting an LTR, I wouldn't start playing games with agents.  The LTR is too valuable to risk screwing that up now.

[TerraplaneGuy]

1 hour ago, BrandonJT said:

If you're in the final process of getting an LTR, I wouldn't start playing games with agents.  The LTR is too valuable to risk screwing that up now.

Just wondering, since I've never used one before:  what's the risk of using agents?  I know people who have always used them for their extensions with no problem, and obviously an awful lot of people do use them.  Given how openly they operate, both outside and inside the Immigration offices, they seem to be accepted as part of the system (despite the fact we know that often rules are being "bent" to say the least).  What is the downside?  (Especially if, as in my case, I wouldn't be asking them to do anything illegal).