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I really dont understand how it's possible to get so much problems on arrival.

I never ever heard about people get denied because they say they will take some muay thai classes.

I must admit that the OP story dont make sense to me.

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1 hour ago, norsurin said:

I really dont understand how it's possible to get so much problems on arrival.

I never ever heard about people get denied because they say they will take some muay thai classes.

I must admit that the OP story dont make sense to me.

There are MANY reports of people having issues returning to Thailand after spending 60 day plus a 30 day extension.  The 30-day extensions seems to be what is triggering them, as they believe 90 days is more than enough time as a tourist. Anything more than that is abusing visa exempt entries and is not typical tourist activity.

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gonna be funny when people will got the 10 year tourist visa and get denied at airport because IO think you spend too much time in Thai

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1 hour ago, BrandonJT said:

There are MANY reports of people having issues returning to Thailand after spending 60 day plus a 30 day extension.  The 30-day extensions seems to be what is triggering them, as they believe 90 days is more than enough time as a tourist. Anything more than that is abusing visa exempt entries and is not typical tourist activity.

I agree ur point.I also agree that people abuse the system get denied entry.I see many OP here with different stories that i choose to not believe.Im sure their NOT tell the real truth about their visaruns.I been to Thailand 76 times and never had any problems in IMM in the airport.When i worked offshore i came back every 4 week without a return ticket.My company paid my tickets everytime.I know a seamans ticket means i was in a kind of transit in Thailand.

That said when i went to a holiday in Australia the IMM hold me in the airport for 6-7 hours because i had my certificatesmap with me and they think i came for work there.They gave up after my company confirmed that im NOT going to work in Australia.

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4 hours ago, norsurin said:

.I been to Thailand 76 times and never had any problems in IMM in the airport.When i worked offshore i came back every 4 week without a return ticket.

Even roster workers eg oil/gas are advised to obtain a visa along with extensions. 

Multi Entry visas are no longer available and using visa exempt entries is now more difficult. 

Extensions from a Non O marriage is also difficult as the extension has an under consideration period. 

A non O retirement and annual extensions would be an option. 

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9 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

You have correct answer above. 

Just to add to your thread... 

For others.. You can always opt to enter via land border. 

Of course that's depends on location. 

FYI, you can take a sleeper bus from Sai Gon or Ho Chi Minh City to Pleiku

(or 'Gia Lai' as the locals call), where you can hop on an International bus

to Pakse, Laos and spend the night there. And the next morning you can

take the international bus to Ubon Ratchathani via Chong Mek. That's

going to be a long journey, though.

Posted
9 minutes ago, Saigon said:

FYI, you can take a sleeper bus from Sai Gon or Ho Chi Minh City to Pleiku

The OP is currently in Malaysia. 

Posted
9 hours ago, BrandonJT said:

There are MANY reports of people having issues returning to Thailand after spending 60 day plus a 30 day extension.  The 30-day extensions seems to be what is triggering them, as they believe 90 days is more than enough time as a tourist. Anything more than that is abusing visa exempt entries and is not typical tourist activity.

In other words Immigration is counting the extension as another Visa Exempt entry? Original visa exempt entry plus extension equals 2 visa exempt entries. But that would also mean they are back to the 2 entry per year limit on visa exempt entries. I have to admit I haven't been keeping up on all this. 

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1 hour ago, Lee4Life said:

In other words Immigration is counting the extension as another Visa Exempt entry? Original visa exempt entry plus extension equals 2 visa exempt entries. But that would also mean they are back to the 2 entry per year limit on visa exempt entries

It's more simple than that. 

Visa, exempt via air has always been scrutinized when there is significant time spent in Thailand along with time between visits. 

 

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I think is much better and safer to do border bounce to Cambodia that are unlimited for now, with company that reassure you to get you another stamp without issues, or if you are planning to come back to Thailand via air then just use the safe entry service or take the risk to get denied. Easy!

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17 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   He wanted to take Muy Thai classes and so he needed to get the correct visa for that 

There is no prohibition on taking Muy Thai classes while on a Tourist entry. 

 

16 hours ago, ronnie50 said:

Your experience seems to confirm that Immigration is pretty serious about (what they see as) over-use and/or abuse of the Visa Exemption.

They are "serious" about graft.  Immigration want money from their agent-system for "safe entry" - is all this denial of entry was "for" - to line their pockets with extorted money. 

 

If they "cared" about "mis-use" of tourist-entries (to do what, exactly - spend "too much" money into Thailand?) - for which there is no legal reason to deny-entry for "coming too much" in the law - they would not create a way to pay them off to bypass their made-up illegal rule.

 

13 hours ago, norsurin said:

I really dont understand how it's possible to get so much problems on arrival.

The DTV and 60-day visa-exempt  has cut into the IO's tourist-entry racket, so they are cranking up pressure to pay them off for "safe entry."

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17 hours ago, ChangIsMyFavBeer said:

Even if i use this service, is there a cooldown period before i can attempt another entry, or will the agent take care of this?

 

No delay needed.  All the IOs wanted was their payoff via an agent (no direct-payment possible, to protect their racket), and they have let people return the next day after denial, at the same airport, "safe entry" w/o issue.

 

As you are now in Malaysia, could also try entering by-land.  If denied, you just turn around and cancel your Malaysian exit-stamp, then go for "Plan C."  You were out for 2 weeks, after all, so clearly you were not "working illegally" or similar.

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6 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Even roster workers eg oil/gas are advised to obtain a visa along with extensions. 

Multi Entry visas are no longer available and using visa exempt entries is now more difficult. 

Extensions from a Non O marriage is also difficult as the extension has an under consideration period. 

A non O retirement and annual extensions would be an option. 

Wait, what? Is METV no longer available either? When did that happen?

Just curious. Doesn't matter for me, but I just recommended one for a buddy of mine for a stay up to 9 months.

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6 minutes ago, Rob Browder said:

 

 

No delay needed.  All the IOs wanted was their payoff via an agent (no direct-payment possible, to protect their racket), and they have let people return the next day after denial, at the same airport, "safe entry" w/o issue.

 

As you are now in Malaysia, could also try entering by-land.  If denied, you just turn around and cancel your Malaysian exit-stamp, then go for "Plan C."  You were out for 2 weeks, after all, so clearly you were not "working illegally" or similar.

 

Nothing in OP's post indicated that the Immo officers were shaking him down for a bribe.

 

Unless you have some objective proof of the graft racket at Thai airports, then you should stop rumor-mongering.

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6 minutes ago, thaibreaker said:

Wait, what? Is METV no longer available? When did that happen?

METV is available. 

You can apply in passport country or country where you have permanent resident status. 

 

I was referring to ME Non O. 

The ME Non O was previously available and provided a multi entry visa valid for 12 months. 

Was very popular. 

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23 minutes ago, Rob Browder said:

There is no prohibition on taking Muy Thai classes while on a Tourist entry. 

 

They are "serious" about graft.  Immigration want money from their agent-system for "safe entry" - is all this denial of entry was "for" - to line their pockets with extorted money. 

 

If they "cared" about "mis-use" of tourist-entries (to do what, exactly - spend "too much" money into Thailand?) - for which there is no legal reason to deny-entry for "coming too much" in the law - they would not create a way to pay them off to bypass their made-up illegal rule.

 

The DTV and 60-day visa-exempt  has cut into the IO's tourist-entry racket, so they are cranking up pressure to pay them off for "safe entry."

Alright.Just what i thought about OP denied entry because muay thai classes.That story wasn't believable at all for me.

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9 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

I was referring to ME Non O. 

The ME Non O was previously available and provided a multi entry visa valid for 12 months. 

Was very popular. 

Just to clarify, once you have the Non-O extension (retirement as example), you can still get a multi-entry visa, is that correct? You are just referring to the initial 90 day O visa for no more multi-entry?

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Just now, ronnie50 said:

Just to clarify, once you have the Non-O extension (retirement as example), you can still get a multi-entry visa, is that correct? You are just referring to the initial 90 day O visa for no more multi-entry?

Yes if you have an extension (valid permission of stay) then to exit and reenter Thailand you need to buy a reentry permit. 

Can be single or multiple. 1000 or 3800.

Does not mean you have a multi entry visa. 

The Non O is a single entry visa. 

It's, basically history and you stay in Thailand on ongoing permission of stay that you extend annually

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So what's behind all this? Is Interior Ministry (Immigration) fighting with Min of Foreign Affairs because of ($$) being lost through new MoFA policies?

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1 minute ago, DrJack54 said:

The Non O is a single entry visa. 

It's, basically history and you stay in Thailand on ongoing permission of stay that you extend annually

Okay got it. Too bad for some but I guess if some O visa holder needed to leave the country urgently they could always get a re-entry visa before leaving.

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Just now, ronnie50 said:

Okay got it. Too bad for some but I guess if some O visa holder needed to leave the country urgently they could always get a re-entry visa before leaving.

Yes the Non O gives a 90 day stamp. 

There have been threads where someone needed to exit and return to Thailand. Often unforseen. 

You can buy a reentry permit that will have expiry same as the 90 day stamp. 

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Somewhat off topic. 

For those that do or planning border run with Cambodia should check this current news in AseanNow news forum. 

 

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35 minutes ago, TaoNow said:

 

Nothing in OP's post indicated that the Immo officers were shaking him down for a bribe.

 

Unless you have some objective proof of the graft racket at Thai airports, then you should stop rumor-mongering.

They used him as an "example" to scare-up "safe entry" services, which are advertised publicly (not a "rumor"), with many links and success-stories shared in this forum.   To put this in context, see also the agent border-run  vans, and the agent-assisted extensions which bypass "official requirements."

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We have flights booked to Thailand for the end of August. We plan to apply for a retirement Visa through an agent after we arrive.

Having read the problems encountered by the OP, it seems l we could be denied entry if we say to the IO we intend to retire in Thailand. They presumably could deny entry saying we should have applied for a retirement visa to enter. So it seems best that we just say we are here for a holiday?

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Just now, BexMan said:

We have flights booked to Thailand for the end of August. We plan to apply for a retirement Visa through an agent after we arrive.

Having read the problems encountered by the OP, it seems l we could be denied entry if we say to the IO we intend to retire in Thailand. They presumably could deny entry saying we should have applied for a retirement visa to enter. So it seems best that we just say we are here for a holiday?

 

Apply for a non-O visa in your home country before flying to Thailand and you will have nothing to worry about.

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8 minutes ago, BexMan said:

Having read the problems encountered by the OP, it seems l we could be denied entry if we say to the IO we intend to retire in Thailand.

Why would you even mention "retirement" 

Post above has correct advice. 

Do you both have a Thai Bank account in separate names. 

If not obtain the Non O e-Visa prior to coming to Australia. 

Where do you plan to live in Thailand? 

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6 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

The OP is currently in Malaysia. 

I know he is. That's just in case he should go back to VN and try to go back to

Thailand by land. I hope you understood that, though.

Posted
2 hours ago, TaoNow said:

 

Nothing in OP's post indicated that the Immo officers were shaking him down for a bribe.

 

Unless you have some objective proof of the graft racket at Thai airports, then you should stop rumor-mongering.

That's correct. I didn't get chance to talk to any IO except the first one at the arrival desk who told me I needed DTV. Then at the the back, another officer told me and one another person - "You need visa, i can't let you in" then simply walked away. My mistake was that I didn't say anything at that point, but everything seemed so rushed in that crowded place. 

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