Another EU headache

[Cameroni]

1 hour ago, FlorC said:

1.5 to 2 million he ? BS.

 

No sorry, your Worldatlas got it wrong. They're only counting Indonesians with an Indonesian passport. However, if you include those of Indonesian descent with a Dutch passport you get to 1.5 to 2 million Indonesians.

 

"Dr. Peter Post of the NIOD estimates 1.5 to 2 million people with Indo blood live in the Netherlands. The Indo-Dutch living abroad were not included. That makes them by far the largest minority community in the Netherlands."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo_people

[Cameroni]

1 hour ago, FlorC said:

So Trump is not right wing ? He kisses Israel's a$$.

 

A true right winger is automaticly an Israel supporter ????????????

 

Trump is not a true right winger. He does support Israel like a Zionist. Being a true right winger in the European tradition and being a Zionist are not compatible. 

 

If you support Israel you're not a rightwinger to me.

 

I know Trump gets called a fascist and a Nazi, but he's clearly not.

 

A true right winger would never support Israel. These people who claim to be right wing but support Israel are pseudo-right wing. They're not the real McCoy.

[peter zwart]

On 6/4/2025 at 8:49 AM, stevenl said:

but atm i think the sentiment is moving more to the center.

And I think you're right about that. But in the end, it doesn't really matter all that much. The fate of the European countries lies in the hands of Brussels, and looking back, that hasn't exactly been the best thing that could have happened to the Europeans. The effectiveness of a local government is minimal, and the irreparable damage has already been done.

[Gottfrid]

On 6/3/2025 at 10:09 PM, riclag said:

Make Netherlands Great Again

Now, we have to search the history 😂

[FlorC]

24 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No sorry, your Worldatlas got it wrong. They're only counting Indonesians with an Indonesian passport. However, if you include those of Indonesian descent with a Dutch passport you get to 1.5 to 2 million Indonesians.

 

"Dr. Peter Post of the NIOD estimates 1.5 to 2 million people with Indo blood live in the Netherlands. The Indo-Dutch living abroad were not included. That makes them by far the largest minority community in the Netherlands."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo_people

You're taking it VERY broadly.

 

From your link :

In 1990, the Dutch Central Bureau for Statistics (CBS) registered the number of first-generation Indos living in the Netherlands at around 180,000 people. In 2001, official registration, including the second generation, accumulate their numbers to around half a million. Based on this the estimations, which include the third-generation descendants, reach up to at least 800,000 people. However, researcher Dr. Peter Post of the NIOD estimates 1.5 to 2 million people with Indo blood live in the Netherlands. The Indo-Dutch living abroad were not included. That makes them by far the largest minority community in the Netherlands.^[114]

 

^{You count anyone with just a drop of Indonesian blood in them as indonesian. That is just silly.}

[Yagoda]

I was thinking of making a stop in Amsterdam, layover, smoke some good weed, maybe get me one of those depraved Dutch Hookers, but then I saw the crowds of screaming slavering Muslims and Ill lay over in LA instead.

[FlorC]

41 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Nothing wrong with it. But given his cartoonish and pathological muslim hatred, only topped by his fellow muslim hater Ayaan Hirsi Ali, don't you think it's odd he's not called for the  huge muslim Indonesian contingent in Holland to be expelled? 

They are not a huge contingent.

Last time Indonesians caused trouble was with the high jacking of trains and planes in the 70ties. After that not much.

It's the middle eastern (and farther eastern) and African moslims that overrun Holland and cause trouble.

Those are the ones that should get out.

 

You are too obsessed with Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

Don't they all lie to get to europe ?

[Cameroni]

59 minutes ago, FlorC said:

You're taking it VERY broadly.

 

From your link :

In 1990, the Dutch Central Bureau for Statistics (CBS) registered the number of first-generation Indos living in the Netherlands at around 180,000 people. In 2001, official registration, including the second generation, accumulate their numbers to around half a million. Based on this the estimations, which include the third-generation descendants, reach up to at least 800,000 people. However, researcher Dr. Peter Post of the NIOD estimates 1.5 to 2 million people with Indo blood live in the Netherlands. The Indo-Dutch living abroad were not included. That makes them by far the largest minority community in the Netherlands.^[114]

 

^{You count anyone with just a drop of Indonesian blood in them as indonesian. That is just silly.}

 

No, what they meant was if fourth generation and more are included. Obviously nobody went around taking blood samples, it's just a figure of speech. They meant the total number of Indonesians in Holland, including the first arrivals. Which is the right way to do it. The total number of Indonesians in Holland is 1.5 to 2 mllion, it's just most of them have a dutch passport by now.

 

According to Wilders theory, almost all of them  Muslim misfits for Dutch society. So how did they live for decades harmoniously with the dutch, if Islam is such poison for Dutch society? 

 

What this idiot Wilders doesn't get is that it's not Islam that's the problem. As the decades of peaceful cohabitation with the largest Muslim contingent in Holland proves. Rather it is the Semitic  peoples of the Middle East and their culturally created propensity for violence that is the issue.  But Wilders makes it easy for everyone, it's all of Islam. So why did the Indonesian muslims live peacefully with the Dutch for decades?

[Cameroni]

41 minutes ago, FlorC said:

It's the middle eastern (and farther eastern) and African moslims that overrun Holland and cause trouble.

 

Exactly. So why does this idiot Wilders claim it's all of Islam that's the issue? If muslim Indonesians lived for decades peacefully with the dutch? Doesn't make sense, does it?

 

41 minutes ago, FlorC said:

You are too obsessed with Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

Don't they all lie to get to europe ?

 

Hirsi Ali is a massive fraud and liar. Nobody reads her books anymore. Nobody listens to her anymore. She's been exposed as the fraud and liar she is. So there's no reason to be obsessed with her.

 

You asked what the problem with this lying b*** is and I answered.

 

Wilders support for her shows he's just dumb, he has poor judgement. Who could support a fraud like Hirsi Ali but an idiot?

[bubblegum]

@Cameroni reading thing on the internet does not mean understanding it. You act like Mr. know it all but you have absolutely no idea what Wilders stands for.

[Cameroni]

1 hour ago, bubblegum said:

@Cameroni reading thing on the internet does not mean understanding it. You act like Mr. know it all but you have absolutely no idea what Wilders stands for.

 

Lol, a 2 year old can see what Wilders stands for: hatred. The Theo van Gogh/Julius Streicher kind of hatred. But not righteous, justified hatred. Hatred of a religion, no less. How idiotic do you have to be to hate a religion?:

 

But of course Wilders only hates Islam because he's too cowardly to say what he really hates, Arabs and Moroccans.. Because it's not politically acceptable he cloaks his hatred in the more pretentious hatred of religion. Never mind that the largest Muslim contingent in Holland, the Indonesians, have been living in harmony with the dutch for eight decades

 

And he has the gall to invoke "Humanism" and "Christianity". Erasmus and Jesus would turn in their grave if they could see this obese Marilyn Monroe wannabe vomiting his hate, this great defender of humanism and Christianity,lol..

 

He's a fraud. He pretends to hate religion, but he has no clue about Islam. He pretends to hate Islam, when he really hates Moroccans and Arabs. Even his hair is a fraud.

 

Like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, his friend with no benefits, Wilders stands for fraud. His party has been in power for a while. What did he accomplish? Less arabs? Less Moroccans? No. He's all blah, blah, blah.

 

Trump deported more migrants in 2 months than Wilders' party did in almost 2 years.

 

He also stands for bending the knee before Israel which he dearly "loves" to this day.  And he stands for arrest without trial, which he saw in Israel and also quite likes. Good luck Holland.

 

[peter zwart]

18 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Have you noticed how he never attacks Muslims from Indonesia in Holland? Morrocans? Yes. Arabs? Yes. Never Indonesians.

Because the Indonesians integrated well, worked hard, showed little to no aggression, and made a positive contribution to the Dutch economy.

[Cameroni]

40 minutes ago, peter zwart said:

Because the Indonesians integrated well, worked hard, showed little to no aggression, and made a positive contribution to the Dutch economy.

 

True. And most of them are Muslims.

 

So much for Wilders' hatred of Islam.

 

So it's not Islam. It's the Semitic people and their cultural violence. Not the religion.

[bubblegum]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

Lol, a 2 year old can see what Wilders stands for: hatred. The Theo van Gogh/Julius Streicher kind of hatred. But not righteous, justified hatred. Hatred of a religion, no less. How idiotic do you have to be to hate a religion?:

 

But of course Wilders only hates Islam because he's too cowardly to say what he really hates, Arabs and Moroccans.. Because it's not politically acceptable he cloaks his hatred in the more pretentious hatred of religion. Never mind that the largest Muslim contingent in Holland, the Indonesians, have been living in harmony with the dutch for eight decades

 

And he has the gall to invoke "Humanism" and "Christianity". Erasmus and Jesus would turn in their grave if they could see this obese Marilyn Monroe wannabe vomiting his hate, this great defender of humanism and Christianity,lol..

 

He's a fraud. He pretends to hate religion, but he has no clue about Islam. He pretends to hate Islam, when he really hates Moroccans and Arabs. Even his hair is a fraud.

 

Like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, his friend with no benefits, Wilders stands for fraud. His party has been in power for a while. What did he accomplish? Less arabs? Less Moroccans? No. He's all blah, blah, blah.

 

Trump deported more migrants in 2 months than Wilders' party did in almost 2 years.

 

He also stands for bending the knee before Israel which he dearly "loves" to this day.  And he stands for arrest without trial, which he saw in Israel and also quite likes. Good luck Holland.

 

As I said you talk BS. 

 

 

[BeastOfBodmin]

On 6/3/2025 at 10:09 PM, riclag said:

Dutch Government collapses! Wilders withdraws over refusal to compromise on current migration policy.

 

Make Netherlands Great Again

 

 

I'd have a headache too if I was rocking that barnet.

[Cameroni]

3 minutes ago, BeastOfBodmin said:

I'd have a headache too if I was rocking that barnet.

 

He looks ludicrous. Like he belongs  in a cartoon.

[riclag]

22 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

He looks ludicrous. Like he belongs  in a cartoon.

Google ai:Can Wilders free the Dutch from the EU migrant crisis?

 

There are some good examples of what he wants to do! Heres 3 from 8 bullet points

 

1.Making the Netherlands "as unattractive as possible" for migrants.

2.using the army at the border.

3.Suspending the asylum process.

 

It Looks like a very difficult situation because the EU& international forces involved .

[Cameroni]

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

Google ai:Can Wilders free the Dutch from the EU migrant crisis?

 

There are some good examples of what he wants to do! Heres 3 from 8 bullet points

 

1.Making the Netherlands "as unattractive as possible" for migrants.

2.using the army at the border.

3.Suspending the asylum process.

 

It Looks like a very difficult situation because the EU& international forces involved .

 

His party has been in power for almost two years. It's done nothing. Still the same number of Moroccans and Arabs.

 

Trump has deported more in two months than Wilders' party in two years.

[RayC]

3 hours ago, riclag said:

Google ai:Can Wilders free the Dutch from the EU migrant crisis?

 

There are some good examples of what he wants to do! Heres 3 from 8 bullet points

 

1.Making the Netherlands "as unattractive as possible" for migrants.

2.using the army at the border.

3.Suspending the asylum process.

 

It Looks like a very difficult situation because the EU& international forces involved .

 

1) and 2) would be unattractive for Dutch citizens and residents as well, many of whom would be against 3).