Will there ever be a safe vaccine?

[kwilco]

28 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Buy you are here to explain them to me 

There is a limit - endlessly refuting the rubbish you post is very tiresome. I think if you are going to enter a discussion you should have some knowledge of the topic - and this also involves how to cite references and critical thinking - you never went to tertiary education did you?

[rattlesnake]

Just now, kwilco said:

you never went to tertiary education did you?

 

Of course not, which is why frequenting people of your ilk is so insightful. Please continue posting your intelligent, educated insights for the greater good.

[kwilco]

5 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Of course not, which is why frequenting people of your ilk is so insightful. Please continue posting your intelligent, educated insights for the greater good.

By going through tertiary education, you learn how to educate yourself - this includes the skills of research and critical thinking - unfortunately you show all the signs of someone who can't do these things - and furthermore don't realise that either.

You are the sort of person who under "qualifications" puts "University of life" - When people say they went to the "University of Life" as a way to dismiss formal education, they're usually revealing more than they intend. We've all been to the "University of Life" — it's called being alive. But that doesn’t replace structured learning, critical thinking, or expertise gained through formal education. Ironically, those who boast about their street smarts while rejecting academic knowledge often fall squarely into the Dunning–Kruger effect — overestimating their competence because they lack the very skills needed to recognize their own limitations.

[DezLez]

15 minutes ago, kwilco said:

you never went to tertiary education did you?

He could not attend as tin foil hats are banned in all proper further educational establishments. 

[kwilco]

For those of you who can't read for any reason here is a TED Talks vidoe by Ben Goldacre

 

I should also add that if you have never heard of or watched TED talks - you shouldn't be commenting on any threads about science or health

 

 

 

[rattlesnake]

3 minutes ago, kwilco said:

By going through tertiary education, you learn how to educate yourself - this includes the skills of research and critical thinking - unfortunately you show all the signs of someone who can't do these things - and furthermore don't realise that either.

You are the sort of person who under "qualifications" puts "University of life" - When people say they went to the "University of Life" as a way to dismiss formal education, they're usually revealing more than they intend. We've all been to the "University of Life" — it's called being alive. But that doesn’t replace structured learning, critical thinking, or expertise gained through formal education. Ironically, those who boast about their street smarts while rejecting academic knowledge often fall squarely into the Dunning–Kruger effect — overestimating their competence because they lack the very skills needed to recognize their own limitations.

 

Just when I thought I couldn't be more in awe, you reveal your secret weapon and actually read my mind without me saying anything…

 

I am checkmated (not that I have the skills to play chess, as you of course know, but I am merely trying to match your grandeur…).

[rattlesnake]

8 minutes ago, DezLez said:

He could not attend as tin foil hats are banned in all proper further educational establishments. 

 

We are the weak elements of society. Lacessit thinks eugenics is the best approach to deal with us. What are your insights?

[kwilco]

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

but I am merely trying to match your grandeur…

kind of shows why you aren't really fit to argue if you think comments like that have any value

[DezLez]

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

 

We are the weak elements of society. Lacessit thinks eugenics is the best approach to deal with us. What are your insights?

Laughing at the cr@p you post here!

[merck]

The older type vaccines are ok. If you ever got polio and ended up in an iron lung, you would rue the day you didn't get the vaccine.

The modern day MRNA vaccines, not so much.

[gamb00ler]

10 minutes ago, kwilco said:

By going through tertiary education, you learn how to educate yourself

Indeed... this is the main benefit of college/university.  I think it takes years to really solidify your approach to learning and sharpen your ability to extract the signal from the noise.

[DezLez]

45 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Buy you are here to explain them to me 

No point in explaining anything to you as your single track mind responses reject all other posters responses or explanations.

[kwilco]

25 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

Indeed... this is the main benefit of college/university.  I think it takes years to really solidify your approach to learning and sharpen your ability to extract the signal from the noise.

"Solidify" is not the word I'd use to thinking  but like anything, you can't do it without the right tools.....and there are certainly some right tools on this thread

[kwilco]

30 minutes ago, merck said:

The older type vaccines are ok. If you ever got polio and ended up in an iron lung, you would rue the day you didn't get the vaccine.

The modern day MRNA vaccines, not so much.

  

Old vaccines were fine — it’s just the new ones I don’t trust! - ????

 

This argument falls apart fast.
Why? Because the principles behind vaccines haven’t changed:
Safely train your immune system
Build immunity before infection
Prevent serious illness and the spread of it
The only thing that’s changed is the technology — and that’s a useful thing.
mRNA vaccines don’t replace your immunities. They teach it the same way older vaccines do, just more precisely and without using live or inactivated virus.
Saying “I trust old vaccines, but not new ones” is like saying you trust horse-drawn carriages but not seat belts — it’s not logical, it’s just fear of the unfamiliar.
Science evolves. That’s how we beat diseases faster and safer.
 

[johng]

36 minutes ago, kwilco said:

mRNA vaccines don’t replace your immunities. They teach it the same way older vaccines do, just more precisely

This new gene therapy is not a "vaccine"   they changed the very definition of a vaccine to try and make it fit this
"new normal narrative"

It had also never been successfully deployed  before the

"emergency use"  authorisation...why the need to keep test results hidden for 70 years  if its so "safe and effective"   ?

no not trade secrets or patent technology...the results that showed thousands of injuries including death.

 

It seems that in some (maybe all)  people the mrna has spread system wide and has no off switch  leading to a host of  issues,

"long Covid" ,turbo cancer,heart attacks etc etc

This is my opinion...of course the MSM,Google "fact checkers"

and big pharma have a different opinion.

[kwilco]

9 minutes ago, johng said:

This new gene therapy is not a "vaccine"   they changed the very definition of a vaccine to try and make it fit this
"new normal narrative"

It had also never been successfully deployed  before the

"emergency use"  authorisation...why the need to keep test results hidden for 70 years  if its so "safe and effective"   ?

no not trade secrets or patent technology...the results that showed thousands of injuries including death.

 

It seems that in some (maybe all)  people the mrna has spread system wide and has no off switch  leading to a host of  issues,

"long Covid" ,turbo cancer,heart attacks etc etc

This is my opinion...of course the MSM,Google "fact checkers"

and big pharma have a different opinion.

 

So… mRNA vaccines aren’t “real” vaccines because science moved on from the 1950s? And they’re secretly gene therapy because someone on YouTube said so?

No, mRNA doesn’t edit your DNA. No, the FDA didn’t “hide” data for 70 years — it just takes time to process half a million pages. And no, VAERS isn’t proof of mass death; it’s a public report system, not a death registry.

Calling it “my opinion” doesn’t make made-up stuff true. Facts still matter — even if Google, doctors, and actual scientists are inconvenient to your worldview.

But hey, good luck curing viruses with vibes and vitamin D.

[gamb00ler]

1 hour ago, kwilco said:

"Solidify" is not the word I'd use to thinking  but like anything, you can't do it without the right tools.....and there are certainly some right tools on this thread

If you read my post carefully, you'll see that the word 'solidify' was associated with 'approach to learning' not to 'thinking' since I did not use that word at all.

[kwilco]

4 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

If you read my post carefully, you'll see that the word 'solidify' was associated with 'approach to learning' not to 'thinking' since I did not use that word at all.

deflection - don't be silly.

[kwilco]

The level of arguments on this and other vaccine threads is appalling -  so many arguments just fall apart. You’ll just see arguments with no foundation in reason or logic…..
Quoting fake experts or assuming a qualification makes someone always right
Using anecdotes and “I heard…” stories as if they’re solid evidence
Attacking the person, not the argument (classic ad hominem)
Misunderstanding science: “It’s just a theory” shows ignorance, not insight
No grasp of how logic, evidence, or proper opinions work
Cherry-picking info and misusing studies
Thinking Google = research (it’s just a tool, not a source)
If you want real debate, you need real standards. Not all opinions are equal —  you need facts, logic, and critical thinking matter. Raise the bar — or stay in the comment section swamp.
 

[johng]

4 minutes ago, kwilco said:

the FDA didn’t “hide” data for 70 years — it just takes time to process half a million pages.

If it takes so long  how come they authorised it  before processing

the "half million of pages of data"   did they just rubber stamp an approval without looking at all the data ?  just trust us bro  its

"safe and effective"  seems like brilliant science to me...

a new normal of science !   "moving at the speed of science"

 

Yes the VAERS and other reporting systems all over the world reported huge uptick in adverse events but nothing to see here either  they are of no use don't ask why they are of no use.

 

Yes just my opinion.

 

[gamb00ler]

8 minutes ago, kwilco said:

deflection - don't be silly.

Hey.... I don't get your drift....I'm on your side.... not deflecting anything.  I did not understand your objection to my use of solidify.

[TedG]

2 hours ago, kwilco said:

For those of you who can't read for any reason here is a TED Talks vidoe by Ben Goldacre

 

I should also add that if you have never heard of or watched TED talks - you shouldn't be commenting on any threads about science or health

 

 

 

I should add if you watch  TED talks - you shouldn't be commenting on any threads about anything. 

[jaywalker2]

9 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Tetanus is the interesting one, bacteria is common in soil and animal poop, infecting the smallest break in skin.

 

So I spend every day gardening and touching rabbit poop. Hands and arms always getting cut and scratched from plants, teeth and claws. I don't even bother cleaning any wounds, just wipe the blood off with tissue.

 

Why aren't I dead?

Is it like allergies, only some people at risk?

Does it only affect people with damaged immune systems?

Is the bacteria not that prevalent?

 

How does science explain why I haven't died from tetanus?

 

i had tetanus when I was a child. I stepped on a nail sticking out of a board on the school grounnds. I didn't tell anybody and by the afternoon I had a fever and was so pale the teacher sent me to the nurse's office. My mother took me to the hospital and the red line of death was already midway up my thigh at that point. Then my mother told me that her uncle died from tetanus. Cut his hand on a rusty can top and died while waiting to see a doctor in the emergency room of the hospital.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

Indeed... this is the main benefit of college/university.  I think it takes years to really solidify your approach to learning and sharpen your ability to extract the signal from the noise.

I am amused by posters without a tertiary education who fall back on the mantra of "common sense". It's their shield.

 

IIRC it was Einstein who said common sense is the collection of biases one acquires in their teens.

 

Probability, statistics and thermodynamics are tough subjects which many students avoid.

 

 

[kwilco]

3 hours ago, TedG said:

I should add if you watch  TED talks - you shouldn't be commenting on any threads about anything. 

looks like a pretty good example of a poor assessment of sources I was talking about earlier.

[kwilco]

12 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Tetanus is the interesting one, bacteria is common in soil and animal poop, infecting the smallest break in skin.

 

So I spend every day gardening and touching rabbit poop. Hands and arms always getting cut and scratched from plants, teeth and claws. I don't even bother cleaning any wounds, just wipe the blood off with tissue.

 

Why aren't I dead?

Is it like allergies, only some people at risk?

Does it only affect people with damaged immune systems?

Is the bacteria not that prevalent?

 

How does science explain why I haven't died from tetanus?

 

Yet another example of misuse of Google! "So you play Russian roulette every day and think you're invincible because the gun hasn’t fired yet? That’s not science, that’s luck and bad logic. Tetanus is rare because of widespread vaccination and basic hygiene — not because it's harmless. You're not proof it's safe; you're just one of the lucky ones… so far."