Is paying the bar to take a girl out of the bar justified? Or just a scam?

[ThreeCardMonte]

2 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

What was the barfine price for Eve back in the day?

 

 

A piece of fresh fruit picked off a tree.

 

A simpler time.

[rumak]

11 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Because she's a scammer, trying to extort money.

Which gives the guy a good warning.

 

We can explain it to these newbies over and over ........ but we can't understand it for them .   Even after the first scam..... the next one is "different".

[JAG]

2 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

What was the barfine price for Eve back in the day?

 

 

 

23 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

A piece of fresh fruit picked off a tree.

 

A simpler time.

And my giddy aunt, didn't it cause some trouble!

[Patong2021]

6 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

So you named yourself Patong after the beach and temples?

 

Not familiar much with social media abbreviations?

[Patong2021]

7 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Are you aware the world's oldest profession has been around since the beginning of man?  Shortly after Adam and Eve (Eve’s fault) were kicked out of the Garden of Eden. 

 

Or is this a new concept you’ve recently discovered?

 

Are you a “save the world “ and a “do gooder”    type online while participating when “no one’s watching “.?  More likely than not.

 

 

Murder, incest,  spousal and child abuse have also been around just as long.  Your logic holds that we should turn a blind eye to it  as well. A wrongful act is a wrongful act.

 

The beneficiaries of bar fines are pimps. They make their living from the sale of men women, boys and girls for sexual acts. they are parasites.  The practice leaves emotionally damaged people. That is why the discussion of whether or not pay a pimp is disgusting

 

[it is what it is]

 

really? this old chestnut again. Zzzzzzzz 🥱

[pub2022]

Run away.

 

Lady from bars are just for a one night fun.

[Jenkins9039]

17 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

I have a “drinking friend” who lives in the UK who has found “true love” in the bar.

He is 58, divorced and seems fairly well off.

She is damn hot, 26 from Burirum province. Friendly, speaks good English, 8 year old daughter lives in Burirum.

He plans to come to Thailand 2-3 times per year. 
She claims to have about 40,000 in debts with crazy interest which is why she is working the bar.

He is going to pay these debts so she can go back to live with her kid in Burirum, and she can get a normal job and he will top up her salary if needed. 
Everyone happy.

 

Except now the bar is demanding 50,000 baht from him so she can go”retire” from the bar. 
And she is agreeing with the Mamasan. “Justified” because Mamasan gave her the job, accommodation, lent her money, bought her clothes etc

It is getting ugly.
He is refusing. Mamasan isn’t budging. 
 

Why can’t she just quit like at any other job? 
Interested to hear views from other bar owners.

Is this standard or are they taking the pi55?

 

 

 

Technically its human trafficking by the bar, prostitution by the girl, and paying for prostitution / to the pimp by the guy.

 

All breaking the law.

[lamyai3]

13 hours ago, Keeps said:

If you say the last three quickly, it sounds like somewhere I visited once in Scotland. 

 

Oak, Ai, Da, Noo... 

[lamyai3]

9 hours ago, RAZZELL said:

I have a mate who owns a bar and they "ask" for about 10k...

 

It always used to be 10k, even in the most popular bars, 50k is absolutely taking the pi$$.

[mangkut70]

17 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Has anyone ever heard of anyone paying this before?

The bar seems to think it is standard process.

 

 

 

different city, quite a while ago and less money involved... but yes.

barfine back then was 200thb, the farewell payment 8500thb.

The way I understand it: this is a mixture of things and dependencies.
On a business level, the bar loses an earner. For an hour or a night, it's a barfine. For a long holiday with a customer or a total checkout, it's a larger sum.
Often, the girls are very much integrated into a bar, almost like family, living, sleeping, eating there. Think of it as a kind of sin sot and "go with our blessing"—nobody will talk badly about the girl, and if things don't work out, the door will be open.

 

 

  

 

[MalcolmB]

6 hours ago, lamyai3 said:

 

It always used to be 10k, even in the most popular bars, 50k is absolutely taking the pi$$.

Thankyou.

A lot of the less inexperienced members were trying to say it wasn’t a thing at all.

[Equatorial]

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

A lot of the less inexperienced members were trying to say it wasn’t a thing at all.

 

Actually, they may actually be more experienced, rather then less. 

 

First, that may be based on their personal experience. 

 

Also, an obligation to give money to an "employer" (bar, in this case) upon leaving implies indentured labor. As far as I know, bar girls in Pattaya and Bangkok are not indentured, and they are free to go without any compensation to the bar. And they often do - they quit and go back upcountry, or they move to a different bar, etc. That includes the case when they decide to stop working bar and to stay with a farang. 

 

I don't doubt that some bars will request money, and the girl may be complicit, out of obligation, or because of other reasons. And, for the peace of mind, the farang may decide to pay a small amount.

 

But, ultimately, the bar has no recourse (legal or otherwise) against the girls who leave, for whatever reason. 

[actonion]

She can quit,  but  wont  because the Mamasan  is giving  her a cut  of the 50,000b  or so she believes, having received a cut,  and a returned  to Buriram for a week or two  I  fully expect her to return to the Bar when the boyfriend has gone home

[actonion]

23 hours ago, quake said:

 Come on now.

No porkies. have a look. 

On 6/19/2025 at 8:08 AM, frank83628 said:

Why on earth do you old guys think these girls like you

Because they always tell me I'm a "Sexy Man"

 

[MalcolmB]

18 minutes ago, actonion said:

She can quit,  but  wont  because the Mamasan  is giving  her a cut  of the 50,000b  or so she believes, having received a cut,  and a returned  to Buriram for a week or two  I  fully expect her to return to the Bar when the boyfriend has gone home

Those days are finished with international free video calls. 
 

[cdemundo]

I haven't experienced this particular problem but sometimes the mamasans really seem to have a lot of control over bargirls who seem to feel obligated. Like "She did so much for me."

 

I was barfining a girl in Pattaya who was like under the spell of the mamasan.

She thought the mamasan was always looking out for her and trusted and looked up to her.  Not my business so I didn't get involved but the mamasan was getting a cut of any money this girl made, more so than with other bargirls I had known. Trying to remember exactly what she was getting a cut of but I just remember thinking that I had never heard of the mamasan getting a cut of things this girl was paying.

 

Some bargirls seem to see the mamasans as I do - money grubbing parasites; but others seem to see them as if they were a revered older relative or something. Maybe a function of how long they have been in the bar scene. I suppose when a farmer girl starts out as a bargirl it seems like the mamasan is helping them. As your girl says "Mamasan gave her the job, accommodation, lent her money, bought her clothes etc".

 

Maybe the bargirls get some benefit from bribing the mamasan that I don't understand.  Actually, sometimes I see punters acting the same way and tipping the mamasan exorbitantly for no reason that is apparent to me.

In general I don't see any benefit to me from the mamasan.

[ThreeCardMonte]

12 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Murder, incest,  spousal and child abuse have also been around just as long.  Your logic holds that we should turn a blind eye to it  as well. A wrongful act is a wrongful act.

 

The beneficiaries of bar fines are pimps. They make their living from the sale of men women, boys and girls for sexual acts. they are parasites.  The practice leaves emotionally damaged people. That is why the discussion of whether or not pay a pimp is disgusting

 

After you’re finished galloping through the farang district on your White Knight campaign will you proceed to the Thai on Thai districts?

 

I’m sure they will appreciate your noble cause.