2 hours ago, RayC said:

 

Which has absolutely nothing to do with the current conflict in Eastern Europe.

 

"Not an inch to the East."

 

Trust us.

3 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

"Not an inch to the East."

 

Trust us.

"We will protect you (Ukraine) from any aggression if you just destroy all your war weapons..."

Signed by US, France, UK, Russia and China. Budapest Memorandum of 1994.

And then 2014 happened..... no need to say anything else.

17 minutes ago, DezLez said:

I believe that Posts are meant to be readable and not guessing games.  If you wany to make "ironical" posts  I suggest you  annotate them as such.

Goodbye!

I don't think you are qualified to comment on my use of English, whether sarcasm or not.

Goodbye....

20 hours ago, Yagoda said:

According to this historian, who makes a compelling case for the same, although I think he minimizes the existence of the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomercia as a dominated entity.

 

https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2025/06/27/ukraine__a_nation_established_by_lenin_stalin_and_hitler_1119235.html

 

Putin is scum, but is his cause just?

Ukraine is a country.  Russia is not a country, its a gas station.

I could say the same about you.

4 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

"Not an inch to the East."

 

Trust us.

 

If James Baker did utter those words then it was not reflective of the US (and European) strategy at the time

 

https://on.ft.com/3ZgBehl

 

29 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

A frog with dyslexia could crush your assertion that Ukraine isn't a real country.

go for it in between hops

42 minutes ago, SpaceKadet said:

"If you regard Ukraine as not being a country, then by the same definition used in the linked article, you cannot recognize Israel and Kuwait as countries either". Savvy?

Irrelvant, we are talking about Ukraine.

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Irrelvant, we are talking about Ukraine.

I thought that we were discussing Ukraine not being a country, Genrikh. That's your real name, right Генрих?

 

So, we are trying to establish what other countries, are not COUNTRIES, according to the criteria given in the linked article.

IMO, Israel definitely qualifies.

1 minute ago, SpaceKadet said:

 Genrikh. That's your real name, right Генрих?

Um, no why would you think that and whats your point? Why is my non first name relevant?

 

2 minutes ago, SpaceKadet said:

IMO, Israel definitely qualifies.

Well thats a subject for you to start your own topic on. Your opinion is pretty worthless though, based on your inability to argue against the facts brought up in the OP.

23 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Ukraine is a country.  Russia is not a country, its a gas station.

Correct! 

Russia is a failing state!

52 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Ukrainians have their own language and alphabet.

 

As usual, the OP is attempting to spread disinformation.

well, it was a deliberate attempt to create their separate entity and plenty of Russian native speakers switched. but yes

4 minutes ago, DezLez said:

Correct! 

Russia is a failing state!

That isnt relevant either. Russia is sh{t, so? Has it ever been anything more than a failure?

Just now, Yagoda said:

That isnt relevant either. Russia is sh{t, so? Has it ever been anything more than a failure?

Not when the Romanovs were in charge!!

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

As usual, the OP is attempting to spread disinformation.

As usual, you flame to hide your ignorance and inability to discuss the history and points raised.

2 minutes ago, DezLez said:

Not when the Romanovs were in charge!!

Irrelevant. But if you truly beleve that instead of just being a deflecting troll, start a topic, I would love it.

28 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

go for it in between hops

Russia is the only country on the planet that explicitly does not recognize Ukraine as a sovereign country. 

There, job done.

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Irrelevant. But if you truly beleve that instead of just being a deflecting troll, start a topic, I would love it.

I answered your question wrt Russia, which it was called under the Romanov's, so it is relevant.  

11 minutes ago, DezLez said:

I answered your question wrt Russia, which it was called under the Romanov's, so it is relevant.  

I'm sure you can spot a trend with this poster. Every time he's proven wrong (happen a lot, obviously) he retreats behind a wall of "irrelevant", "deflection", "trolling" claims, before complaining in advance about the amount of thumbs-down emojis he's gonna get. The funny thing is, he never gets as many of those as he hopes for since nobody really gives a frack. 😆

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

I'm sure you can spot a trend with this poster. Every time he's proven wrong (happen a lot, obviously) he retreats behind a wall of "irrelevant", "deflection", "trolling" claims, before complaining in advance about the amount of thumbs-down emojis he's gonna get. The funny thing is, he never gets as many of those as he hoped for since nobody really gives a frack. 😆

You already lost the argument, troll. Interjecting nonsense everywhere under your troll identity LOL.

 

Tell us, how long has there been country called Ukraine, LOL.

11 minutes ago, DezLez said:

I answered your question wrt Russia, which it was called under the Romanov's, so it is relevant.  

So irrelevant as it may be, you are contending in an open forum that the Romanovs were anything more than a historical failure?

 

Wow

27 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

inability to argue against the facts brought up in the OP.

There are no "facts" in the OP linked article. Just a mangled version of recent history to suit the propaganda narrative of Putin.

No point of even arguing against such idiocy. I just refuse to be dragged down to that level.

Just now, SpaceKadet said:

Just a mangled version of recent history

Show us how?

 

What errors has he made?

 

You cant.

 

tell us when Ukraine became a "country"?

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

 

 

Tell us, how long has there been country called Ukraine, LOL.

LOL, totally irrelevant, LOL.

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Show us how?

 

What errors has he made?

 

You cant.

 

tell us when Ukraine became a "country"?

 

Tell us, when did U.S.A. become a "contry"

From WikiPedia:

The history of Ukraine spans thousands of years, tracing its roots to the Pontic steppe..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ukraine

 

That's longer than Russia.... Just a bunch of Mongols and Tatars....

Just now, SpaceKadet said:

 

From WikiPedia:

The history of Ukraine spans thousands of years, tracing its roots to the Pontic steppe..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ukraine

 

That's longer than Russia.... Just a bunch of Mongols and Tatars....

Wow thats convincing. A Wikpedia entry LOL.

 

I dont think you know anyhting at all but nice try.

 

When did Ukraine become a "country"?

4 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

LOL, totally irrelevant, LOL.

Troll.

38 minutes ago, DezLez said:

Not when the Romanovs were in charge!!

 

It might have been for the Romanovs, but it wasn't for the vast majority of ordinary Russians.

3 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

Not sure about the origins of Ukraine or just cause, but Putin doesn't want to negotiate with Zelensky because he believes Zelensky to be an illegitimate puppet of the West, which he is. 

 

He should look in the mirror. Putin wants his own puppet to 'lead' Ukraine.

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Troll.

See my description of your posting strategy above.😄

 

Question: When did Ukraine become a country?  

Answer: When it declared itself as one and was recognized as one by pretty much every country on the planet. And that's all it takes but if you want icing on the cake then;

 

Ukraine has got a functioning government, civil service, laws, language, national dish, flag, national anthem, national sports teams, vehicle number signs, pop stars, movie stars, etc, etc, etc.

In summary, Ukraine fulfills all the formal and informal requirements for being a separate and independent country.

End of story, case closed, 'nuff said.

 

Slava Ukraina!