Trump is on the ropes as Maga turns against Israel

[BLMFem]

11 minutes ago, bannork said:

Vance has as much charm as a out of date marshmallow.

 

But he does have a way with sofas!

[Clapped out]

11 minutes ago, bannork said:

Vance has as much charm as a out of date marshmallow.

Have you prepared yourself for being sued by the out of date marshmallow association ?

[BarraMarra]

Hows his Nobel Prize coming along ???

[Yagoda]

5 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Are you 'the chosen one" in Siem Reap (or wherever the frack you claim you are at the moment)?

Well yeah, thanks for acknowledging that you view me as a deity. Im always in your head.

[bannork]

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Wow! Please share more of your intellectual prowess. I would absolutely love to see the cackling idiot gain nomination to run for presidency and I would absoluetly love to see the 1st debate between Vance and said cackling idiot. I wonder if "I grew up in a middle class family" would be reused?

The Dems won't choose a woman as a candidate because sadly too many Americans are mysogonists, unlike Europe, even India and Pakistan have chosen a female leader.

 

[theblether]

6 hours ago, bannork said:

Recognition of Palestine is conditional on Hamas giving up the hostages, their arms and movement.

Hey! MTG is an integral part of Maga, no? That beauty, that viper tongue.

And let's not forget Steve Bannon, Matt Gaetz, fellow intellectuals.

 

 

Give it a rest. 

 

Disgustingly stupid to give Hamas a say let alone a veto. 

 

Just unbelievable any sane person can't see this 

[dinsdale]

18 minutes ago, bannork said:

The Dems won't choose a woman as a candidate because sadly too many Americans are mysogonists, unlike Europe, even India and Pakistan have chosen a female leader.

 

If they've got any sense they won't choose a woke leftist idiot no matter of gender or colour but sadly the cupboard is bare of any alternative. This gender baiting or race baiting BS is a good part of the reason the Democrats ratings are at an all time low as are the ratings of the MSM wokies that push it.

[bannork]

4 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

Give it a rest. 

 

Disgustingly stupid to give Hamas a say let alone a veto. 

 

Just unbelievable any sane person can't see this 

Are you saying MTG, Bannon, etc are not sane?

Hey, you could be right there!

[bannork]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

If they've got any sense they won't choose a woke leftist idiot no matter of gender or colour but sadly the cupboard is bare of any alternative. This gender baiting or race baiting BS is a good part of the reason the Democrats ratings are at an all time low as are the ratings of the MSM wokies that pushe it.

Please try to stick to the topic. This is about prominent Maga luminaries disagreeing with Israel's actions on Gaza.

[theblether]

10 minutes ago, bannork said:

Are you saying MTG, Bannon, etc are not sane?

Hey, you could be right there!

 

Yes I am and you've fell for the MSNBC scam of thinking they represent MAGA

[bannork]

26 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

If they've got any sense they won't choose a woke leftist idiot no matter of gender or colour but sadly the cupboard is bare of any alternative. This gender baiting or race baiting BS is a good part of the reason the Democrats ratings are at an all time low as are the ratings of the MSM wokies that push it.

Hello there, topic is Maga luminaries disagreeing with Israel's brutality in Gaza.

[bannork]

17 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

Yes I am and you've fell for the MSNBC scam of thinking they represent MAGA

Oh dear. So who represents MAGA and is clinically sane?

 

[still kicking]

8 hours ago, bannork said:

 

On Monday night, Marjorie Taylor Greene became the first Republican member of Congress to brand Israel’s actions in Gaza as “genocide”. Posting on X, the lawmaker broke with Trump on the issue: “October 7 in Israel was horrific, and all hostages must be returned”, she wrote. “But so is the genocide, humanitarian crisis, and starvation happening in Gaza.”

 

Greene’s decision to use the term genocide came on the same day Trump told reporters that “real starvation” is taking place in Gaza, rejecting Netanyahu’s claim that no famine is occurring in the territory. “I see it and you can’t fake that”, he said during a trip to Scotland, referring to the images of emaciated people emanating from Gaza. “So we’re going to be even more involved.”

 

Trump himself is under growing pressure from other prominent figures within his own movement to break with Netanyahu. The seeds were sown last month, when the President’s former political adviser Steve Bannon declared that Israel can no longer be considered an “ally” of the United States.

 

Former Florida congressman Matt Gaetz is another prominent Maga figure who has quietly hardened his position on Israel. Now an anchor on far-right broadcaster One America News, Gaetz caused consternation in Israeli government circles last week by devoting a segment of his nightly broadcast to the killing of Palestinian-American Saif Musallet by Israeli settlers in the West Bank. Branding the Israeli’s military actions “aggressive”, he called the killing “another scandal”.

 

Trump is on the ropes as Maga turns against Israel

 

 

To further quote Gaetz: “Are innocent people, families, even Americans just getting summarily slain?” asked Gaetz, rhetorically. “This isn’t an isolated tragedy”, he assured viewers of the network, which is hugely popular with Trump’s grassroots.

 

16 hours ago · Currently, 147 of the 193 member states of the United Nations recognise the state of Palestine.

[theblether]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

Oh dear. So who represents MAGA and is clinically sane?

 

 

Pathetic 

[bannork]

6 hours ago, Clapped out said:

Have you prepared yourself for being sued by the out of date marshmallow association ?

 Trump taking the mick out of Vance.

[TedG]

12 hours ago, bannork said:

 

On Monday night, Marjorie Taylor Greene became the first Republican member of Congress to brand Israel’s actions in Gaza as “genocide”. Posting on X, the lawmaker broke with Trump on the issue: “October 7 in Israel was horrific, and all hostages must be returned”, she wrote. “But so is the genocide, humanitarian crisis, and starvation happening in Gaza.”

 

Greene’s decision to use the term genocide came on the same day Trump told reporters that “real starvation” is taking place in Gaza, rejecting Netanyahu’s claim that no famine is occurring in the territory. “I see it and you can’t fake that”, he said during a trip to Scotland, referring to the images of emaciated people emanating from Gaza. “So we’re going to be even more involved.”

 

Trump himself is under growing pressure from other prominent figures within his own movement to break with Netanyahu. The seeds were sown last month, when the President’s former political adviser Steve Bannon declared that Israel can no longer be considered an “ally” of the United States.

 

Former Florida congressman Matt Gaetz is another prominent Maga figure who has quietly hardened his position on Israel. Now an anchor on far-right broadcaster One America News, Gaetz caused consternation in Israeli government circles last week by devoting a segment of his nightly broadcast to the killing of Palestinian-American Saif Musallet by Israeli settlers in the West Bank. Branding the Israeli’s military actions “aggressive”, he called the killing “another scandal”.

 

Trump is on the ropes as Maga turns against Israel

 

 

To further quote Gaetz: “Are innocent people, families, even Americans just getting summarily slain?” asked Gaetz, rhetorically. “This isn’t an isolated tragedy”, he assured viewers of the network, which is hugely popular with Trump’s grassroots.

 

I have a question for you.   What is the evidence that MAGA is in revolt?    All this link has are a few quotes.   Do the quoted individuals represent all MAGA supporters? 

[Mike_Hunt]

9 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Quite a few people said the same thing about the Nazis.

Israel has neutered Iran, Hezbolla, and HAMAS.  That’s some solid work. 

[bannork]

38 minutes ago, TedG said:

I have a question for you.   What is the evidence that MAGA is in revolt?    All this link has are a few quotes.   Do the quoted individuals represent all MAGA supporters? 

Not all but you can't deny they are prominent figures in Maga.

And of course there's his lovely wife, Melania, who arrived in the US on an Einstein visa. Who could ignore the words of such a wise person?

 

It now appears the first lady's influence over her husband may have prompted his evolution on another major world crisis - the humanitarian situation in Gaza. 

'She thinks it's terrible,' Trump replied. 'She sees the same pictures that you see. And that we all see. And I think everybody - unless they're pretty cold-hearted or, worse than that, nuts.'

'There's nothing you can say other than it's terrible,' the president continued. 'When you see the kids. And those are kids - whether they talk [about] starvation or not - those are kids that are starving. They are starving.' 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14952157/melania-trump-gaza-starving-donald-trump.html

 

 

[Yagoda]

7 hours ago, bannork said:

prominent Maga luminaries

The only prominent MAGA luminaries are whoever Trump says.

 

 

[Yagoda]

41 minutes ago, bannork said:

She sees the same pictures that you see.

Well that picture in the NY Times was a lie, right?

[BarraMarra]

Oh well not to worry all you MAGA fans. Thanks to your leader he has just upped a nuclear incident with Russia by deploying 2 Nuke subs on standby because of the threats issued by an Ex Russian leader. So you better Don your Tin hats with of course Maga wrote on them for when Putin decides to lob a nuke on you.

[Miloki]

15 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Oh well not to worry all you MAGA fans. Thanks to your leader he has just upped a nuclear incident with Russia by deploying 2 Nuke subs on standby because of the threats issued by an Ex Russian leader. So you better Don your Tin hats with of course Maga wrote on them for when Putin decides to lob a nuke on you.

 

Crap, is he going to blow up their pipeline and  spend 100's of billions continually escalating the war in  Ukraine?

 

By ex Russian leader do you mean the Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation?

 

Subs are always on standby, that's their whole purpose.  This is silly posturing to make a point. 

 

[uncletiger]

Trump is not now, nor has ever been, "on the ropes".

 

What is happening right now is so much bigger than Trump. Whatever role he is playing in this movie is just that. A role. What is coming is going to finally lead to humanity waking up and retaking control from those who have spent centuries trying to oppress us. I have no idea what Trump's ultimate fate is going to be, or how his character development is scripted to end. Only that the media pushes a childish narrative that MAGA blindly follows Trump. Nothing could possibly be further from the truth.

 

MAGA is a movement that transcends Trump. We believe Trump is nothing more than a figurehead, and like any actor, we are smart enough to separate his on screen performance from the truth he (and others) are working to bring to light.   What's coming is humanity's moment to shine. Trump may get the lead credit on IMDB when all is said and done, but we are all part of this.

 

The next few years are going to be transformative. Trump isn't on the ropes, because his acting is phenomenal. And we all know it. He deserves an Oscar. Only the media is trying to convince people this is real. Yes, there might be some serious economic pain incoming. But that is all in service of the larger task of resetting the global economy. And it's going to be done on our terms. Not the globalists in Switzerland.

[MicroB]

On 7/31/2025 at 9:12 AM, bannork said:

Recognition of Palestine is conditional on Hamas giving up the hostages, their arms and movement.

Hey! MTG is an integral part of Maga, no? That beauty, that viper tongue.

And let's not forget Steve Bannon, Matt Gaetz, fellow intellectuals.

 

 

Hamas is not the government of Palestine. The Palestinian National Authority is de jure the government of Palestine. 2006 saw a civil war ensue in Gaza, with the Hamas group winning. In a legal sense, the PNA claims the Gaza strip, but Hamas exerts de facto control, in the same way that the Houthis exert de facto control of Western Yemen, but are not recognised as the legitimate government of Yemen. 147 out of 193 UN members recognise Palestine as an independant state.

 

You and others, including the Israeli government, continue to inflate the power of Hamas, as part of some sort of effort to delegitimise the PNA. Any discussion about  Palestinian sovereignty should not be dependant on the breakaway group's actions. 

 

You have made up the conditions of Palestinian recognition. France's recognition is unconditional. Macron might call for demilitarization and a ceasefire, but recognition is not dependant on these conditions. The UK and Canada are towing a similar line to each other; recognition will happen unless Israel agrees to a ceasefire, changes its West bank settlement policy and makes "substantive steps to end the appalling situation in Gaza and commits to a long term sustainable peace".

 

If the UK and France recognise Palestine, that means 4 out of 5 members of permanent members of the U.N. Security Council will take a similar position. The current UK government is following a similar stance to previous UK governments, who all believed in a two state solution, but believed that recognition needed to be reserved until it has maximum effect. The judgement is clearly that time has come. The UK doesn't recognise governments, it recognises states. That is an important distinction. Hamas is proscribed, and that won't change. Conditions in Palestine won't change because of this recognition. But conditions outside of Palestine will. Britain and France will be now be talking to regional powers such as Saudi Arabia and Egypt not as countries with fundementally differing positions, but now closely allied positions with respect to the sovereignty of Palestine.

 

Of the EU4+UK, only Germany and Italy don't recognise Palestine, and its probably just a matter of time before that changes. Even Meloni, the only significant European leader ideologically aligned with the American leader (I dismiss Hungary as a significant state, its a former Comecon state that hasn't understood the world has moved on), has indicated she supports the idea of a Palestinian state, but disagrees on the timing.

 

The UK has signalled to Israel that if it doesn't want a Palestinian state established not on its terms, this is what it needs to do. Israel might have the US as a friend, but it still professes to be a European state on the shores of the Mediterranean. It has undeniable cultural, familial, political and economic ties to Europe. It participates in EU institutions , such as Horizon. I speak to Israeli companies all the time, and, without exception, they all say their number one market is not the US but Europe. Israel is part of an EU free trade area, with mutual standards recognition, very important for market entry.

[MicroB]

On 7/31/2025 at 3:09 PM, BarraMarra said:

Hows his Nobel Prize coming along ???

 

He's already the holder of the 2020 (Ig)noble Prize for Medical Education, jointly held with a litany of world statesman; Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil, Boris Johnson of the United Kingdom, Narendra Modi of India, Andrés Manuel López Obrador of Mexico, Alexander Lukashenko of Belarus, Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey, Vladimir Putin of Russia, and Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow of Turkmenistan. The citation read "for using the Covid-19 viral pandemic to teach the world that politicians can have a more immediate effect on life and death than scientists and doctors can".

 

He joins illustrious company. The 2019 winners were Karen Pryor and Theresa McKeon, for using a simple animal-training technique— called “clicker training” (how you train dogs) (I. Martin Levy, Karen W. Pryor, and Theresa R. McKeon, Clinical Orthopaedics and Related Research, vol. 474, no. 4, April 2016, pp. 945–955.).

 

The 2018 winner had a memorable contribution. Akira Horiuchi won it in 2018 for his salient contribution to medical education “Colonoscopy in the Sitting Position: Lessons Learned From Self-Colonoscopy by using a small-caliber, variable-stiffness colonoscope".

 

 

"After bowel preparation, the endoscopist (A.H.) sat on the back of a chair in front of the monitor. The endoscopist, who was directly facing the monitor, then self inserted the colonoscope into the colon (Figure 1). The knob of the colonoscope was manipulated with the endoscopist’s left hand, and the insertion tube was held with the right hand."

 

His conclusions were that sometimes having something shoved up the harris sometimes hurt, sometimes didn't, and so doctors should take note.

[Bannoi]

Hamas isn't interested in a Palestinian State it wants an Islamic State from the river to the sea.

(In other words no Israel)

[bannork]

35 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

Hamas is not the government of Palestine. The Palestinian National Authority is de jure the government of Palestine. 2006 saw a civil war ensue in Gaza, with the Hamas group winning. In a legal sense, the PNA claims the Gaza strip, but Hamas exerts de facto control, in the same way that the Houthis exert de facto control of Western Yemen, but are not recognised as the legitimate government of Yemen. 147 out of 193 UN members recognise Palestine as an independant state.

 

You and others, including the Israeli government, continue to inflate the power of Hamas, as part of some sort of effort to delegitimise the PNA. Any discussion about  Palestinian sovereignty should not be dependant on the breakaway group's actions. 

 

You have made up the conditions of Palestinian recognition. France's recognition is unconditional. Macron might call for demilitarization and a ceasefire, but recognition is not dependant on these conditions. The UK and Canada are towing a similar line to each other; recognition will happen unless Israel agrees to a ceasefire, changes its West bank settlement policy and makes "substantive steps to end the appalling situation in Gaza and commits to a long term sustainable peace".

 

If the UK and France recognise Palestine, that means 4 out of 5 members of permanent members of the U.N. Security Council will take a similar position. The current UK government is following a similar stance to previous UK governments, who all believed in a two state solution, but believed that recognition needed to be reserved until it has maximum effect. The judgement is clearly that time has come. The UK doesn't recognise governments, it recognises states. That is an important distinction. Hamas is proscribed, and that won't change. Conditions in Palestine won't change because of this recognition. But conditions outside of Palestine will. Britain and France will be now be talking to regional powers such as Saudi Arabia and Egypt not as countries with fundementally differing positions, but now closely allied positions with respect to the sovereignty of Palestine.

 

Of the EU4+UK, only Germany and Italy don't recognise Palestine, and its probably just a matter of time before that changes. Even Meloni, the only significant European leader ideologically aligned with the American leader (I dismiss Hungary as a significant state, its a former Comecon state that hasn't understood the world has moved on), has indicated she supports the idea of a Palestinian state, but disagrees on the timing.

 

The UK has signalled to Israel that if it doesn't want a Palestinian state established not on its terms, this is what it needs to do. Israel might have the US as a friend, but it still professes to be a European state on the shores of the Mediterranean. It has undeniable cultural, familial, political and economic ties to Europe. It participates in EU institutions , such as Horizon. I speak to Israeli companies all the time, and, without exception, they all say their number one market is not the US but Europe. Israel is part of an EU free trade area, with mutual standards recognition, very important for market entry.

 

 

Commercially the EU maybe of more importance to Israel than the US, but the US is the biggest supplier of arms to Israel, providing 69% of its major conventional weapons imports between 2019 and 2023.

In addition, many Americans, particularly those with evangelical Christian beliefs, have strong historical and religious ties to the land of Israel. 

Can the EU claim that emotional connection to Israel after the pogroms and Holocaust of the last century?

So long as Israel has unconditional support from the US, I can't see it giving up and returning the land it's illegally annexed in the West Bank and east Jerusalem back to the Palestinians. The land for peace idea is not supported in Israel currently, at least according to what I've read.

Regarding Hamas, if any peace settlement meant they had to disarm and leave Gaza to be replaced by a governing body composed of Palestinians from both the West Bank and Gaza, and backed by Arab coalition forces to help maintain law and order, where could the Hamas fighters go? 

I can't think of one country that would accept them.

 

 

[MicroB]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

 

 

Commercially the EU maybe of more importance to Israel than the US, but the US is the biggest supplier of arms to Israel, providing 69% of its major conventional weapons imports between 2019 and 2023.

In addition, many Americans, particularly those with evangelical Christian beliefs, have strong historical and religious ties to the land of Israel. 

Can the EU claim that emotional connection to Israel after the pogroms and Holocaust of the last century?

So long as Israel has unconditional support from the US, I can't see it giving up and returning the land it's illegally annexed in the West Bank and east Jerusalem back to the Palestinians. The land for peace idea is not supported in Israel currently, at least according to what I've read.

Regarding Hamas, if any peace settlement meant they had to disarm and leave Gaza to be replaced by a governing body composed of Palestinians from both the West Bank and Gaza, and backed by Arab coalition forces to help maintain law and order, where could the Hamas fighters go? 

I can't think of one country that would accept them.

 

 

 

 

Irrelevant guff to excuse your deliberate misrepresentation of UK government policy. You deliberately intimated that the UK made Hamas a condition of the UK recognising Palestine. The policy is nothing to do with making Hamas change, its about Israel, a country that does have international relations, a developed political class, understand that their internal politics (they believe Gaza to be an Israeli internal matter) has international consequences. Israel, as a vibrant and sophisticated democracy, can change direction.

 

They must change direction, for their own sake. There might be a bitter pill to swallow; Germany murdered thousands of British civilians, but after WW2, Britain continued wartime privations in order to feed Germany. That was a bitter pill.

 

You are not a European, I think, so know nothing of European-Israeli relations. 1 in 8 Israelis also hold a European citizenship.  Thats not 1 in 8 Israelis renouncing their European heritage, but embracing their duality, maintaining it. 1 in 16 Israelis hold American citizenship. I know someone will chip in about emigration statistics in recent years, but those people are not giving up their birth citizenship; those circumstances are sad, but proof of the enduring kinship of many Israelis have with Europe, West and East.

 

Germany started WW2 not the UK. The European Union had nothing to do with Pogroms from more than 100 years ago that occurred in Russia. But of course, you used the word "Pogrom" without actually knowing what it meant. Quit with the blood insult. You Americans had and have your fair share of anti-Semites.

 

Evangelicals have zero historical connection to Israel. They are mostly of Anglo-Saxon descent. Their relationship with Israel, if not religious, is a fantasy one; they are descendants of people mostly forcibly converted by emissaries from Rome, who created a monotheistic religion fused with local pagan beliefs, based around the stories of a man who died 70-80 years earlier. It drills down to beliefs in the end times, and whether they are part of the 12 tribes who will be "saved".

 

The percentage of Americans who has historical connections with the state of Israel is miniscule. Quit with the misrepresentation.

 

What do you think happened to the Nazi foot soldiers after WW2? They disappeared, dispersed, never to be heard of again.  Some popped up in the Congo and Biafra in someone else;s war, and perished. IRA thugs just melted away. 

 

69% of Israeli weapons systems might be of American origin, which means 31% are not. 30% of imports are German. 15% of F-35 parts are made in the UK. Those systems are also critical to the IDF's continued operational cadence.

[Bannoi]

Its becoming more and more plausibe that Israel either by military means or starvation is committing genocide in gaza from what photos or videos we have seen the of the devastation of Gaza and the refusal of Israel to allow indpendent journalists access can only lead me to one conclusion.

 

What I would be very concerned about is I don't think Israel or Israelis will ever be safe for generations to come due to the number of people that are being radicalised, is Israel really going to eliminate the entire population because that is the only way they could ensure none would survive to be a threat in the future.

 

After seeing themselves their wives husbands children siblings parents friends being killed or starved by the Israeli military you only have to ask yourself how you would feel if it was you, I know 100% how I would.

 

There is only one country that can stop this without going to war with Israel that is the USA not because of their military because if the surrounding Islamic Countries Arab States and Turkey ever got together and invaded Israel it would be either be too late to respond due to the distance or it would cost them too much to interfere.

 

America is like a big brother standing behind Israel threatening anyone who would dare to interfere while at the same time suppling Israel with all the weapons and support it needs to continue.

 

Sometimes I think we in the west are conditioned to think Muslims are all bad they are all potential terrorists. Christians have had the same reputation inthe past. The truth is probably somewhat different there are always extremists on every side though I do accept Islam at this moment in time does appear to by more extreme.

 

To me it doesn't matter the whole my imaginary god is the only true god so your imaginary god cant be true is a load of b/s so many wars and thousands if not millions have died because of it.

 

Isnt it about time we all accepted it the Israeli military must leave Gaza the Israeli hostages must be freed  the Gaza population must be allowed access to the aid and supported at least until they are able to rebuild and support themselves. There must be a permanent solution to the conflict.

 

Terrorist organisations do not just appear for no reason and refusing to talk to them achieves nothing (the British learned this in Northern Ireland) only by talking understanding the grievances and addessing them can there be any chance of a solution. usually it involves compromises on both sides.

 

Years ago a two state solution was generally accepted as the best way forward but was deemed unacceptabe by Israel the reality is Israel must withdraw from Gaza and the West Bank and there must be a Palestine State at the same time all concerned must accept that Israel also has the right to exist.

[bannork]

8 hours ago, MicroB said:

 

 

Irrelevant guff to excuse your deliberate misrepresentation of UK government policy. You deliberately intimated that the UK made Hamas a condition of the UK recognising Palestine. The policy is nothing to do with making Hamas change, its about Israel, a country that does have international relations, a developed political class, understand that their internal politics (they believe Gaza to be an Israeli internal matter) has international consequences. Israel, as a vibrant and sophisticated democracy, can change direction.

 

They must change direction, for their own sake. There might be a bitter pill to swallow; Germany murdered thousands of British civilians, but after WW2, Britain continued wartime privations in order to feed Germany. That was a bitter pill.

 

You are not a European, I think, so know nothing of European-Israeli relations. 1 in 8 Israelis also hold a European citizenship.  Thats not 1 in 8 Israelis renouncing their European heritage, but embracing their duality, maintaining it. 1 in 16 Israelis hold American citizenship. I know someone will chip in about emigration statistics in recent years, but those people are not giving up their birth citizenship; those circumstances are sad, but proof of the enduring kinship of many Israelis have with Europe, West and East.

 

Germany started WW2 not the UK. The European Union had nothing to do with Pogroms from more than 100 years ago that occurred in Russia. But of course, you used the word "Pogrom" without actually knowing what it meant. Quit with the blood insult. You Americans had and have your fair share of anti-Semites.

 

Evangelicals have zero historical connection to Israel. They are mostly of Anglo-Saxon descent. Their relationship with Israel, if not religious, is a fantasy one; they are descendants of people mostly forcibly converted by emissaries from Rome, who created a monotheistic religion fused with local pagan beliefs, based around the stories of a man who died 70-80 years earlier. It drills down to beliefs in the end times, and whether they are part of the 12 tribes who will be "saved".

 

The percentage of Americans who has historical connections with the state of Israel is miniscule. Quit with the misrepresentation.

 

What do you think happened to the Nazi foot soldiers after WW2? They disappeared, dispersed, never to be heard of again.  Some popped up in the Congo and Biafra in someone else;s war, and perished. IRA thugs just melted away. 

 

69% of Israeli weapons systems might be of American origin, which means 31% are not. 30% of imports are German. 15% of F-35 parts are made in the UK. Those systems are also critical to the IDF's continued operational cadence.

 

Commercially, and emotionally perhaps, there are strong ties between approximately one eighth of the Israel population and Europe but it's only the US and the Republican party that Netanyahu listens to. 

 Asked about Britain’s stance on Tuesday, Trump said: “We have no view on that.”

State Department spokeswoman Tammy Bruce was more definitive, calling Starmer’s announcement “a slap in the face to the victims of October 7” and saying that it “rewards Hamas.”

 

Yossi Mekelberg, a Middle East expert at international affairs think tank Chatham House, said there is “no doubt” that a global majority supports Palestinian statehood, but that’s not enough to make it a reality.

“British recognition or French recognition doesn’t make it internationally recognized,” he said. “You need the (U.N.) Security Council — and that is not going to happen because of a certain person in the White House.”

I like your view that Israel must change direction for its own sake but polls in Israel show 82 percent of Jewish Israelis support the expulsion of Gazans. What makes you think they will change their minds? An economic embargo by certain European countries? Not sure Germany will agree there.

I wish the US would come on board with the two state solution but I can't see Israel agreeing to the sacrifices it would need to make to ensure its viability.

1. Should the borders of a Palestinian state be as before the 6 Day War in 1967? If so, Israel would have to give up land in East Jerusalem, the occupied West Bank and any claims on Gaza. There are over 700,000 Israeli settlers living in those lands right now.

2. What about the status of millions of Palestinian refugees living in Jordan, etc? Could they return to a Palestine?

3. The Gaza strip is destroyed, who is going to pay and rebuild it? Perhaps rich Arab states would contribute if its status was confirmed in UN recognition of a Palestinian state.

However Israel openly rejects any possibility of such a state and until the US does a U-turn, surely impossible under Trump with backing from the Republican Party and many Democrats, then the declaration of recognition of a Palestine state is only symbolic but will change nothing on the ground.