Taking Care Of Kids

[gjones]

“Order 606/2006 - 7.17 In case of the foreign national is the member of the Thai national’s family

(Only for Father, Mother, Husband or Wife, ordinary child, adopted child or the

child of the marriage couple.) Permission shall be granted for the period not exceeding 1 year."

Do you need to be married to qualify under this rule?

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/2notice/rtp606EN.pdf

Edited August 11, 2007 by gjones

[lopburi3]

This is intended for the "kids" to take care of you in your old age. The child must do the asking and you must be over age 50. I believe being listed as the father on the Thai birth certificate is the primary factor but also have not seen many posts from those that have been successful under this clause but know that Sunbelt has used for a number of cases here in Bangkok.

[gjones]

Thanks Loburi, I was granted permission under this law. I am married, 50 years of age with a Thai born child 3 months old. A friend of mine is 57 and has a 5 month old Thai child but is not married. I was wondering if it would be possible for him to get permission to remain under the same law. Reading the order, or the English translation of it does not actually say the couple must be married, but then I could be wrong.

[Matt the Cat]

Thanks Loburi, I was granted permission under this law. I am married, 50 years of age with a Thai born child 3 months old. A friend of mine is 57 and has a 5 month old Thai child but is not married. I was wondering if it would be possible for him to get permission to remain under the same law. Reading the order, or the English translation of it does not actually say the couple must be married, but then I could be wrong.

No you are only allowed to support the wife (and the wife supports the kids) unless you have legal custody of the child, in which case maybe they would throw you both out.

[gjones]

Thanks Loburi, I was granted permission under this law. I am married, 50 years of age with a Thai born child 3 months old. A friend of mine is 57 and has a 5 month old Thai child but is not married. I was wondering if it would be possible for him to get permission to remain under the same law. Reading the order, or the English translation of it does not actually say the couple must be married, but then I could be wrong.

No you are only allowed to support the wife (and the wife supports the kids) unless you have legal custody of the child, in which case maybe they would throw you both out.

As I have said, I was granted permission under Order 606/2006 - 7.17 . I am married, 50 years of age with a Thai born child 3 months old now he is nearly 7 months old. The extension was granted for this reason alone which meant I did not need to show income or proof of income.

I am totaly clear of the immigration rules on this matter for a married person but wonder if it can include non-married couples or even fathers of Thai children whos partner might be dead

Edited August 11, 2007 by gjones

[Matt the Cat]

Thanks Loburi, I was granted permission under this law. I am married, 50 years of age with a Thai born child 3 months old. A friend of mine is 57 and has a 5 month old Thai child but is not married. I was wondering if it would be possible for him to get permission to remain under the same law. Reading the order, or the English translation of it does not actually say the couple must be married, but then I could be wrong.

No you are only allowed to support the wife (and the wife supports the kids) unless you have legal custody of the child, in which case maybe they would throw you both out.

As I have said, I was granted permission under Order 606/2006 - 7.17 . I am married, 50 years of age with a Thai born child 3 months old now he is nearly 7 months old. The extension was granted for this reason alone which meant I did not need to show income or proof of income.

I am totaly clear of the immigration rules on this matter for a married person but wonder if it can include non-married couples or even fathers of Thai children whos partner might be dead

No, according to the latest "new" rules you are only allowed to support Thai wife, if you have no Thai wife then you would need to have legal custody of the children even if they are your own kids and you have lived with the mother for twenty years in Thailand.

In other words they want you to be “officially” married and (if renewing abroad) produce a hand written letter from your wife inviting you back into the country.

[gjones]

No, according to the latest "new" rules you are only allowed to support Thai wife, if you have no Thai wife then you would need to have legal custody of the children even if they are your own kids and you have lived with the mother for twenty years in Thailand.

In other words they want you to be “officially” married and (if renewing abroad) produce a hand written letter from your wife inviting you back into the country.

Matt, I don’t think legal custody or supporting the spouse is paramount in this particular rule as basically there is no need to show evidence of income or money in the bank, unless they have brought out new rules since October 2006.

To qualify you simple need to be 50 or over with a child born in Thailand, my application was completed within a two days and would have been completed within the day if I had a photograph showing the address plate of the “tabian baan”.

I was granted permission to stay for 12 months with 90 day reporting. It is interesting that they only required the birth certificate of my son who was born here in Bangkok. My two daughters were born in the UK and the immigration officer gave back copies of their birth certificates and Thai naturalisation papers.

My main question is would my friend qualify under Police Order 606/2549 7.17 #5 as he is the legal father of a Thai girl.

Maybe some legal boffin here could comment on the interpretation of 7.17 “In the case of a family member of a Thai (applicable only to parents, spouse, child, adopted child or child of his/her spouse): Permission will be granted for a period of not more than 1 year at a time.”

Paragraph (5) “ In the case of a parent, the said person must be 50 years of age or over; or ”

7.17 In the case of a family

member of a Thai

(applicable only to

parents, spouse, child,

adopted child or child

of his/her spouse):

Permission will be

granted for a period of

not more than 1 year

at a time.

(1) The alien has obtained a

temporary visa (NON-IM); and

(2) Proof of family relationship;

and

(3) In the case of a spouse, the

marital relationship shall be de

jure (legitimate) and de facto;

or

(4) In the case of a child, adopted

child or child of his/her spouse,

the said person must not be

married, must be living with the

family, and must be less than

20 years of age; or

(5) In the case of a parent, the said

person must be 50 years of age

or over; or

(6) In the case of an alien married

to a Thai woman, any party or

both must have a total income

of not less than Baht 40,000 per

month, except for aliens who

entered the Kingdom before

this Order came into force and

granted a permit to stay in the

Kingdom. If the alien does not

have the minimum income

above, he shall have an account

deposit in Thailand in the name

1. Application form

2. Copy of the applicant's passport

3. Proof of family relationship,

e.g., marriage certificate, birth

certificate, registration of

legitimate child, household

registration certificate, proof of

child adoption, or any other

evidence issued by the authority

or government agency

concerned

4. Proof of Thai nationality of

spouse, parents, child or adopted

child such as identification card,

household registration

certificate or other document

issued by the authority or

government agency concerned

5. Only for clause (6), there shall

be a letter of confirmation from

a bank in Thailand and copy of

bank book or proof of income of

either party or both in the total

amount of not less than Baht

40,000 per month, such as

personal income tax return with

receipt, proof of pension, proof

of interest from bank account

deposit or proof of other income

Edited August 12, 2007 by gjones

[phuketrichard]

Thanks Loburi, I was granted permission under this law. I am married, 50 years of age with a Thai born child 3 months old. A friend of mine is 57 and has a 5 month old Thai child but is not married. I was wondering if it would be possible for him to get permission to remain under the same law. Reading the order, or the English translation of it does not actually say the couple must be married, but then I could be wrong.

No you are only allowed to support the wife (and the wife supports the kids) unless you have legal custody of the child, in which case maybe they would throw you both out.

I am Divorced from my thai wife and had to have a court order for the divorce ( since we were married in the states NOT in Thailand) At the same time i was granted full custody of my daughter. This is what immigration needed to see here in Phuket

Gjones; where did u apply for your extension? Here in Phuket I had to show 500,000 in the bank for 3 months and it was a real inconvience.

[gjones]

Thanks Loburi, I was granted permission under this law. I am married, 50 years of age with a Thai born child 3 months old. A friend of mine is 57 and has a 5 month old Thai child but is not married. I was wondering if it would be possible for him to get permission to remain under the same law. Reading the order, or the English translation of it does not actually say the couple must be married, but then I could be wrong.

No you are only allowed to support the wife (and the wife supports the kids) unless you have legal custody of the child, in which case maybe they would throw you both out.

I am Divorced from my thai wife and had to have a court order for the divorce ( since we were married in the states NOT in Thailand) At the same time i was granted full custody of my daughter. This is what immigration needed to see here in Phuket

Gjones; where did u apply for your extension? Here in Phuket I had to show 500,000 in the bank for 3 months and it was a real inconvience.

Richard, I applied for my extension in Bangkok. I took with me copies of the National Police Order 606/2549 7.17 in both Thai and English highlighting the specific rule.

Under this rule, as long as you are 50+ with a Thai child there is no binding rule to show income or money in the bank.

[phuketrichard]

cool

so u did it on your own? no help from Sunbelt? Thats great as then I will do my next one in bangkok.

In Phuket I also had copies of the order but they just smiled.:-)

[AGareth2]

I was given a 1 year multiple non o in London. All I produced was my babies birth certificate and the house docs. Easy

[Maestro]

...Easy

Easy, but off topic. This topic is about getting an annual extension of stay from an Immigration office in Thailand, not about getting a visa from a Thai consulate.

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Maestro

[phuketrichard]

I was given a 1 year multiple non o in London. All I produced was my babies birth certificate and the house docs. Easy

a 1 year non o multi is not a 1 year extension.

[gjones]

Maybe Sunbelt could express an opinion on the interpretation of Police Order 606/2549 7.17 #5

Does a parent need to be married to qualify?

“In the case of a family member of a Thai (applicable only to parents, spouse, child, adopted child or child of his/her spouse): Permission will be granted for a period of not more than 1 year at a time.”

Paragraph (5) “ In the case of a parent, the said person must be 50 years of age or over; or ”

[phuketrichard]

i am not married but divorced. I think as long as your name is on the Birth certificate as the father your considered a parent.

I wanted to ask them what about couples with kids and never been married but didn't want to confuse them.

[gjones]

Richard, good luck with your application in Bangkok, and I would assume you are correct in your interpretation of Police Order 606/2549 7.17 P5; however what we see is the English translation of the Thai order which might not be accurate.

I was hoping to have a legal comment on this from the like of Sunbelt.

[waexpat]

cool

so u did it on your own? no help from Sunbelt? Thats great as then I will do my next one in bangkok.

In Phuket I also had copies of the order but they just smiled.:-)

Hi Richard! After mailing to you, April 2007, I went to HKT Immigration to ask for my case! It was a nightmare. I have written down a full story on it but did no post it so far.

I am now back again on the retirement one (800k/3month) the same I have since more than 3 years.

Sunbelt could also not guarantee me to succeed my case in Bkk, but informed me that they need a copy of my file from HKT Immigration office because I am registered in Phuket.

[waexpat]

cool

so u did it on your own? no help from Sunbelt? Thats great as then I will do my next one in bangkok.

In Phuket I also had copies of the order but they just smiled.:-)

Hi Richard! After mailing to you, April 2007, I went to HKT Immigration to ask for my case! It was a nightmare. I have written down a full story on it but did no post it so far.

I am now back again on the retirement one (800k/3month) the same I have since more than 3 years.

Sunbelt could also not guarantee me to succeed my case in Bkk, but informed me that they need a copy of my file from HKT Immigration office because I am registered in Phuket.

Sorry! Only a copy of the first page of my file at HKT Immigration office.

[gjones]

Richard, thanks for the PM. I will answer you here so to share the information with others who might want to try this avenue of extending the stay here in Thailand.

I went to the immigration office with my wife and 3 kids and my application was approved on day one provided I submitted before 12 noon, the following day a photograph showing the address of the house registry Tabian Baan. I took 3 shots of it showing the family in front of the house a closer shot of the family with the address plate and a close-up of the actual address.

Returning to immigration by 9am with the family (day 2) my application was dealt with by the lady in desk 16. I was asked to go upstairs to the second floor to see the guy in charge. His office as you come out of the lift is on the right.

He asked my wife a few questions in Thai and then asked me why I wanted to settle in Thailand.

After listening to my answers he smiled and signed the approval.

Here are the requirements for the National Police Office Order 606/2006

“Order 606/2006 - 7.17 In case of the foreign national is the member of the Thai national’s family

(Only for Father, Mother, Husband or Wife, ordinary child, adopted child or the

child of the marriage couple.) Permission shall be granted for the period not exceeding 1 year."

1. Copy of the National Police Office Order 606/2006 in English and Thai

2. TM7 Form (filled out)

3. Your Passport and photocopies of main page, entry stamp page and visa page.

4. 4x6 Photo

5. Original Thai Birth certificate and photocopies.

6. Original Thai Marriage certificate and photocopies.

7. Original & copies of House Registration certificate of wife and child

8. Original & copy of wife’s Thai ID card

9. Photos of House showing the Address Plate

10. A Family Photo of father, wife and child

You will need to fill in the form with all the information required, ask for 365 days and give the reason for the application as – I am over 50 years of age and wish to remain in the kingdom under National Police Office Order 606/2006 - 7.17 to take care of my Thai child.

You can fill in this form on your PC and print it out. The website is at Thai Immigration - http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/download/tm7.doc

The National Police Office Order 606/2006 - 7.17 to take care of a Thai child is printable from

Thai Version

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/2notice/rtp606.pdf

English Version

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/2notice/rtp606EN.pdf

Location map http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/ba...p?page=location

Edited August 14, 2007 by gjones

[waexpat]

Richard, thanks for the PM. I will answer you here so to share the information with others who might want to try this avenue of extending the stay here in Thailand.

I went to the immigration office with my wife and 3 kids and my application was approved on day one provided I submitted before 12 noon, the following day a photograph showing the address of the house registry Tabian Baan. I took 3 shots of it showing the family in front of the house a closer shot of the family with the address plate and a close-up of the actual address.

Returning to immigration by 9am with the family (day 2) my application was dealt with by the lady in desk 16. I was asked to go upstairs to the second floor to see the guy in charge. His office as you come out of the lift is on the right.

He asked my wife a few questions in Thai and then asked me why I wanted to settle in Thailand.

After listening to my answers he smiled and signed the approval.

Here are the requirements for the National Police Office Order 606/2006

"Order 606/2006 - 7.17 In case of the foreign national is the member of the Thai national's family

(Only for Father, Mother, Husband or Wife, ordinary child, adopted child or the

child of the marriage couple.) Permission shall be granted for the period not exceeding 1 year."

1. Copy of the National Police Office Order 606/2006 in English and Thai

2. TM7 Form (filled out)

3. Your Passport and photocopies of main page, entry stamp page and visa page.

4. 4x6 Photo

5. Original Thai Birth certificate and photocopies.

6. Original Thai Marriage certificate and photocopies.

7. Original & copies of House Registration certificate of wife and child

8. Original & copy of wife's Thai ID card

9. Photos of House showing the Address Plate

10. A Family Photo of father, wife and child

You will need to fill in the form with all the information required, ask for 365 days and give the reason for the application as – I am over 50 years of age and wish to remain in the kingdom under National Police Office Order 606/2006 - 7.17 to take care of my Thai child.

You can fill in this form on your PC and print it out. The website is at Thai Immigration - http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/download/tm7.doc

The National Police Office Order 606/2006 - 7.17 to take care of a Thai child is printable from

Thai Version

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/2notice/rtp606.pdf

English Version

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/2notice/rtp606EN.pdf

Location map http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/ba...p?page=location

Hi gjones! Sounds very interesting! Pls. let me ask you some questions.

Where do you live/registered (BKK or somewhere else in Thailand).

Is this the first time you are applying for an annual extention of stay, based on a NON ?(whatever) Visa.

Thank's for an answer!

[gjones]

Hi gjones! Sounds very interesting! Pls. let me ask you some questions.

Where do you live/registered (BKK or somewhere else in Thailand).

Is this the first time you are applying for an annual extention of stay, based on a NON ?(whatever) Visa.

Thank's for an answer!

Waexpat, I am mainly based in Bangkok but have just moved after the sale of my old house and business. I have moved into a smaller property in the Pattanakarn area of Bangkok and bought another house south of Hua Hin.

I did not want to retire, so I opted for this extension of stay rather than the extension of stay based on retirement.

Prior to having this particular visa I was here based on an M class Non Immigrant with extension of stay based on a work permit.

I am still wondering if you need to be married to qualify under "Poilice Order 606/2006 - 7.17" though!

[waexpat]

Waexpat, I am mainly based in Bangkok but have just moved after the sale of my old house and business. I have moved into a smaller property in the Pattanakarn area of Bangkok and bought another house south of Hua Hin.

I did not want to retire, so I opted for this extension of stay rather than the extension of stay based on retirement.

Prior to having this particular visa I was here based on an M class Non Immigrant with extension of stay based on a work permit.

I am still wondering if you need to be married to qualify under "Poilice Order 606/2006 - 7.17" though!

Gjones, thank's for the answer! I will give you my interpretation/understandig soon. At the moment I am quite a bit busy. Thank's again.

[phuketrichard]

yes i wonder to,

as far as me, I have the court order for my divorce and also giving me sole custody of my daughter.

9. Photos of House showing the Address Plate is this the same address as what ur kids Tam bien baan is?

mine was approved with the divorce papers but like i said, here in Phuket they asked for 500,000 in the bank 3 months.

I had previosuly 5 years on a retirement extension. They asked me why I wanted to change and i told them the truth, that i did not have the full 800,000. I did not show any photos or have my daughter with me.

I was issued a one month extension and just on Monday went back and had it exteneded another 11 months.

I wonder if they will ONLY issue you the extension in Bangkok if ur living there. Sunbelt had told me before they could do it for me but now I wonder...

[jjp]

Hi all,

Looking at the order with regards to adoption of a Thai, it states the child must be under 20 years old and the parent over 50 years old but has anyone been granted a extension of stay from Immigration who is over 50 years old and their adopted Thai child is over 20 years old.

Cheers in advance,

JJP

(4) In the case of a child, adopted

child or child of his/her spouse,

the said person must not be

married, must be living with the

family, and must be less than

20 years of age; or (5) In the

case of a parent, the said person

shall be 50 years of age or over.

[Maestro]

Jjp, the rule 7.17(4) applies to a foreign child who wishes to apply for an annual extension of stay.

For a foreign father, at least 50 years old, of a Thai child of any age, rule 17.7(5) applies.

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Maestro

[jjp]

Thanks Maestro,

I will be sorted then when i reach 50 unless they move the goalposts again.

JJP