40 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

What was Trump's sanction on Russia that Biden cancelled. Trump's only sanction in his 1st term was for 5 Russians involved in attack of Ukraine navy vessel. There were few condemnation statements on Russia aggression by Pompeo but only 1 sanction. 

 

Show me the details whereby Biden cancelled Trump's weapon shipment. I am calling you bluff unless you show me the receipt. Trump stopped Ukraine's weapon shipment. Biden did slow down weapon shipment in his last year due to congressional wrangling. 

To what end? Once you’re shown are you going to apologize and change your position?

54 minutes ago, mogandave said:

To what end? Once you’re shown are you going to apologize and change your position?

Accusation/confession....🤣

2 hours ago, mogandave said:

Remember Biden cancelled Trump’s sanctions on Russia, and canceled Trump’s weapons shipments to Ukraine prior to Russia invading Ukraine?

 

Remember Obama offering, and subsequently canceling missile defense for Putin to give him “space” until after the election? 

 

But but but Trump. 

No, I can’t remember that — because none of it never happened.

But but but Trump — was the guy who froze Ukraine’s aid and got impeached for it

TACO.

 

If the USA was serious about sanctions, it would be using the most powerful navy in the world to block the ghost ships that transport Russian oil, denying Putin funds to finance the war in Ukraine.

7 hours ago, angryguy said:

More than europe is doing, to be blunt

 

That's an opinion based on the journalists you like to read. Its a claim that doesn't actually stack up. You're just parroting what they are saying, without offering any evidence of your own.

 

The U.S. sanctions are “tougher” in legal reach and enforcement, since they bite globally through the dollar system and blacklists. The EU sanctions have been tougher in economic impact, especially with oil and gas bans, because Europe was a critical market for Russia. Its plainly clear that the US and the EU (and UK etc) need to coordinate; European sanctions has a different impact on Russia that US. The US has always brought the grand sum of FA from Russia, so that limits how it can impact Russia. State Department sanctions on sensitive technologies go back a long way, from before the war. The US can best impact Russia through the Dollar. The EU of course cannot manipulate Dollar transactions in the same way, but Russia was much more dependant on trade with European companies than elsewhere.

43 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

No, I can’t remember that — because none of it never happened.

But but but Trump — was the guy who froze Ukraine’s aid and got impeached for it

The arms that Obama refused to provide, and that Biden shut down the moment he got into office.

39 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

TACO.

 

If the USA was serious about sanctions, it would be using the most powerful navy in the world to block the ghost ships that transport Russian oil, denying Putin funds to finance the war in Ukraine.

 

Enforcing maritime safety rules might be a suitable ruse. Its likely less about roaming the seas looking for shonky-looking tankers under false names. That means working with the Port States to enforce IMO standards. Ukraine is pushing for international recognition of high risk shps being those from outside the G7/Non-EU flags AND are insured by a provider from outside the nternational Group of Protection and Indemnity Clubs. 90 Russian tankers switched to owners based in the UAE; pressure can be brought to bear on the Emirates.

 

The EU regularly updates lists of sanctioned vessals. While sanction evading will always happen, reducing the number of ports these ships can dock in will reduce Russia's freedom to operate, making them a pariah fleet, increasingly (if not already) decrepit and unreliable. Russia's ability to sell oil might become irrelevant if it can't deliver.

 

Some interesting analysis:

 

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2024/766242/EPRS_BRI(2024)766242_EN.pdf

28 minutes ago, mogandave said:

The arms that Obama refused to provide, and that Biden shut down the moment he got into office.

The only person who shut down arms was Trump — first in 2019 when he froze Ukraine’s aid and got impeached — then in 2025 he again froze weapons and also intel to Kyiv.

9 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

The only person who shut down arms was Trump — first in 2019 when he froze Ukraine’s aid and got impeached — then in 2025 he again froze weapons and also intel to Kyiv.

Keep telling yourself that brother 

I don't care what Obama did or Biden did.

Trump is president now and isn't man enough to own up to responsibility for that.

Now it's what Trump is doing, and what Trump is doing is having American soldiers bow down and lay down a red carpet for terrorist war criminal dictator Putin and clapping and smiling like a moron when he arrives.

 

21 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Keep telling yourself that brother 

You're not my brother.

33 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

You're not my brother.

We’re all brothers in the eyes of the Lord.

52 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I don't care what Obama did or Biden did.

Trump is president now and isn't man enough to own up to responsibility for that.

Now it's what Trump is doing, and what Trump is doing is having American soldiers bow down and lay down a red carpet for terrorist war criminal dictator Putin and clapping and smiling like a moron when he arrives.

 

Of course you don’t care what Obama or Biden did. 

 

What Trump is doing is cleaning up the mess Obama and Biden left. 

 

 

9 hours ago, Emdog said:

Didn't he threaten very tough sanctions a month or so ago if Putin didn't do a ceasefire?

Enough of sanctions: load up Ukraine with military good stuff and let them drop a missile on the Kremlin. Tit for tat.

I believe in treating Russia gently, but first you have to get their attention.

Yes when he shot his Gob off saying he would have a ceasefire in a week and there would have been no war.

9 hours ago, angryguy said:

This is all opinion. Not even your opinion, the opinion of the journalists you like to read

did he or did he not say he would have done a deal to a ceasefire within a week angryguy ?

3 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

did he or did he not say he would have done a deal to a ceasefire within a week angryguy ?

Yeah, he said it, and he was wrong. 

 

34 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

did he or did he not say he would have done a deal to a ceasefire within a week angryguy ?

yes he said that!! and he tried, but when you have two people that are not wanting to end things nobody can make them do anything! 

what is you want the US to do? send in their military? 

3 hours ago, mogandave said:

The arms that Obama refused to provide, and that Biden shut down the moment he got into office.

Biden temporarily halted deliveries as a proof of goodwill before the summit with Putin. 

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/18/white-house-ukraine-military-lethal-weapons-495169

 

Anyway  what is Trump doing now that he's President? 

Russia will shake sanctions off like a a duck shakes off water.  

7 hours ago, SingAPorn said:

Russia is making good money with it's partnerships within the BRICS+ nation alliances.

 

Third party nations, who do not apply any of the European or US sanctions against Russia.

 

These countries buy the cheap russian oil, refine it and sell it back at 3 or 4 times the price to the foolish European and other western nations who have abided to Biden's and Trumps embargos against the highly cheap russian energy. 

 

Ultimately it's not all that much Russia who is suffering but definately the european and western nations. 

The west sanctioned itself and pushed the Global South and Russia into the Sinosphere and an accelertaionnaway from the dollar and the western banking system. Gold to the moon. Trump and by proxy the US is a joke now and it's impact can be laughed away. 

11 hours ago, Emdog said:

Didn't he threaten very tough sanctions a month or so ago if Putin didn't do a ceasefire?

Further back than that but he is a gutless muppet without a brain or a plan.......poor Donny has stated “I am not happy” on three occasions over the past few months, but has done nothing about the situation……..certainly earning his nickname TACO (Trump always chickens out) as a toothless, gutless poor excuse for a man and leader.

 

Speaking to reporters after the bombardment, the US president AGAIN said he was "not happy with the whole situation."

 

Sunday's strikes killed four people, including a mother and her baby, and damaged Ukraine's main government building in Kyiv for the first time.

 

The attack - which Ukraine said involved at least 810 drones and 13 missiles - has led to growing calls for stronger Western action against President Vladimir Putin.

 

Trump has previously threatened harsher measures against Russia, but not taken any action when Putin ignored his deadlines and threats of sanctions. TACO x 3.

 

 

China is almost willing Trump to act now, as if eager to display its superpower strength. For more than two decades, Beijing has sought to secure its vital oil and gas trade routes, aware that its overseas supply lines through the Indian Ocean would be highly vulnerable in the event of war. This concern has driven massive investment in Central Asia and Pakistan to shorten pipeline routes and now, increasingly, in Russia. What looks like opportunism is in fact a long-term Chinese strategy, carefully set in motion years ago.

 

https://archive.is/MJiWj

 

China Is Cranking Up its LNG Trade with Russia in Test For Trump

 

Having taken the first-ever overseas export from the Arctic LNG 2 project in Russia in late August, China is now taking more blacklisted Russian LNG and has designated the Beihai terminal in southern China to accept shipments, according to people with knowledge of the matter. By choosing a single port with limited international exposure, Beijing should be able insulate its wider gas sector from retaliation.

8 hours ago, candide said:

Biden temporarily halted deliveries as a proof of goodwill before the summit with Putin. 

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/18/white-house-ukraine-military-lethal-weapons-495169

 

Anyway  what is Trump doing now that he's President? 

So I was right and LosLobo was wrong, thanks. 

 

And I was right about the sanctions as well, yes? 

 

And you are correct, Biden temporarily halted the Trump’s weapons shipments to Ukraine and lifted Trump’s (and other) sanctions on Russia “as a sign of good will” to Putin.

 

After which Russia invaded Ukraine 

 

Remember the Russian-Reset?

 

Remember Obama refusing to ship arms to Ukraine? 

 

Obama sure loved him some Putin. 

20 hours ago, angryguy said:

This is all opinion. Not even your opinion, the opinion of the journalists you like to read

Deeds not words (angry guy) your abomination trump is a con man and you sir are one of his marks what he says is meaningless it’s what he does that counts.undermining Ukraine at every opportunity and groveling to putin at every opportunity unfortunately that’s what he does.not to mention kicking our erstwhile Allie’s in the nuts at every opportunity.

12 hours ago, LosLobo said:

You're not my brother.

His brothers are arboreal.

21 hours ago, Emdog said:

Didn't he threaten very tough sanctions a month or so ago if Putin didn't do a ceasefire?

Enough of sanctions: load up Ukraine with military good stuff and let them drop a missile on the Kremlin. Tit for tat.

I believe in treating Russia gently, but first you have to get their attention.

I may be mistaken but the war seems to have gotten worst since Trump stuck his nose in when he took Repeat took office.

6 hours ago, mogandave said:

So I was right and LosLobo was wrong, thanks. 

 

And I was right about the sanctions as well, yes? 

 

And you are correct, Biden temporarily halted the Trump’s weapons shipments to Ukraine and lifted Trump’s (and other) sanctions on Russia “as a sign of good will” to Putin.

 

After which Russia invaded Ukraine 

 

Remember the Russian-Reset?

 

Remember Obama refusing to ship arms to Ukraine? 

 

Obama sure loved him some Putin. 

No there was no sanction against Russia lifted.

17 hours ago, candide said:

No there was no sanction against Russia lifted.

 

Right

 

 

https://www.congress.gov/117/meeting/house/114185/documents/HHRG-117-GO00-20211028-SD006.pdf

 

https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/russian-shahed-drones-enter-poland-during-1757458138.html

 

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