7 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

A lot more serious is shooting a young man in the neck and killing him in front of his wife and 2 young kids for the crime of holding moderate conservative views and debating them.   If you think the right are escalating and copying the abhorrent behaviors of the left then lets hope the right, who probably own most of the guns in America, do not follow the left down their latest violent path in their latest efforts to silence those they disagree with.   

Really, you think that the government abrogating the first amendment is less serious than an individual being murdered? Do you think that the first amendment is less important than the second amendment? Because Charlie Kirk specifically said that the extra deaths incurred because of the second amendment were worth it. But the first amendment isn't worth it?

But thanks for the rant.

2 hours ago, James105 said:

 

Are you seriously trying to take the high moral ground here? 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/mark-zuckerberg-joe-rogan-biden-officials-scream-curse-facebook-rcna187199

 

I can see why you are probably upset.  Brutally dismissing Jimmy Kimmel in front of his family for his opinions is too much.  Now his kids will have to grow up without seeing their father on TV.   Imagine the pain they must be going through right now.  

No. I’masking you a question that you don’t seem to want to answer.

 

Prove me wrong:

 

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What part did the Government play in the dismissal of Barr and Corano?

 

They're fired as their shows are losing millions.  That the host give them a reason, possibly contractually to do, is just a plus for the networks.  Viewership and advertisers decide how long they can tolerate bleeding out millions of $$$$.

17 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

A lot more serious is shooting a young man in the neck and killing him in front of his wife and 2 young kids for the crime of holding moderate conservative views and debating them.   If you think the right are escalating and copying the abhorrent behaviors of the left then lets hope the right, who probably own most of the guns in America, do not follow the left down their latest violent path in their latest efforts to silence those they disagree with.   

By the way, it's so far unbacked by any valid evidence that Kirk's wife and children were there to witness his assassination.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/unpacking-claim-charlie-kirks-wife-013000188.html

It's really all rather pathetic, a decade of being labeled Nazi, fascists, white supremacists, racists, misogynists, far-right, uneducated, nothing but smears non-stop - not to mention the collaboration of the white house with social media companies to censor  - boo hoo hoo, cry me a river.

Even Kamala was advocating for the censorship of Presidents Trumps twitter account in the run-up to the election.

 

 

24 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No. I’masking you a question that you don’t seem to want to answer.

 

Prove me wrong:

 

 

 

I responded to someone earlier who followed up your post.  Same applies so I'll copy and paste it for you...

 

Facts don't really care about your feelings.  ABC made a decision that they considered best for their business and if they really wanted to keep him in his job then they could have fought for him as there was no legal requirement to fire him.  They didn't do that though, did they?  

 

Unfortunately the left do not have and have never had a history of defending free speech, so any comments you make on this just make you all look like absolute hypocrites.  If only you could point to a post you made where you defended someone who got fired for their opinion (whose opinions you did not agree with) instead of celebrating it then perhaps you may have some moral ground to stand on, but we both know you will not be able to do that don't we?  

18 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

By the way, it's so far unbacked by any valid evidence that Kirk's wife and children were there to witness his assassination.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/unpacking-claim-charlie-kirks-wife-013000188.html

 

Oh, so if they weren't there (it's the BBC who said they were who have been an untrustworthy news organization for a while now) I guess that makes it okay then? Does that make it any easier for his widow to tell their 3 year old kid their daddy is never going to come home?  Perhaps you will follow this up by saying that 3 year olds are very adaptable and will soon get used to growing up without a father to make the assassination of people the left want to silence more justifiable in your head.  

3 hours ago, James105 said:

 

Did you (or they) have similar courage to speak up when Rosanne Barr or Gina Corano lost their jobs for their within the law opinions?  

And did YOU stand up and speak out when that happened?

4 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Oh, so if they weren't there (it's the BBC who said they were who have been an untrustworthy news organization for a while now) I guess that makes it okay then? Does that make it any easier for his widow to tell their 3 year old kid their daddy is never going to come home?  Perhaps you will follow this up by saying that 3 year olds are very adaptable and will soon get used to growing up without a father to make the assassination of people the left want to silence more justifiable in your head.  

You still haven’t answered the question.

 

Have another go:

 

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What part did the Government play in the dismissal of Barr and Corano?

 

10 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Oh, so if they weren't there (it's the BBC who said they were who have been an untrustworthy news organization for a while now) I guess that makes it okay then? Does that make it any easier for his widow to tell their 3 year old kid their daddy is never going to come home?  Perhaps you will follow this up by saying that 3 year olds are very adaptable and will soon get used to growing up without a father to make the assassination of people the left want to silence more justifiable in your head.  

I prefaced my comment with "By the way" because your previous comment and this one aren't relevant to the issue. Pretty weak attempt.

 

You apparently believe that an assassination of one person is enough to justify overturning the First Amendment. As I pointed out, and you clearly have no answer for, Kirk explicitly addressed the issue of the status of amendments when he noted that extra deaths were worth it in the case of preserving the 2nd Amendment. You think the First Amendment isn't at least as important as the Second?

18 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

I responded to someone earlier who followed up your post.  Same applies so I'll copy and paste it for you...

 

Facts don't really care about your feelings.  ABC made a decision that they considered best for their business and if they really wanted to keep him in his job then they could have fought for him as there was no legal requirement to fire him.  They didn't do that though, did they?  

 

Unfortunately the left do not have and have never had a history of defending free speech, so any comments you make on this just make you all look like absolute hypocrites.  If only you could point to a post you made where you defended someone who got fired for their opinion (whose opinions you did not agree with) instead of celebrating it then perhaps you may have some moral ground to stand on, but we both know you will not be able to do that don't we?  

They made a decision after being threatened by the head of the FCC.

12 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

I prefaced my comment with "By the way" because your previous comment and this one aren't relevant to the issue. Pretty weak attempt.

 

You apparently believe that an assassination of one person is enough to justify overturning the First Amendment. As I pointed out, and you clearly have no answer for, Kirk explicitly addressed the issue of the status of amendments when he noted that extra deaths were worth it in the case of preserving the 2nd Amendment. You think the First Amendment isn't at least as important as the Second?

 

As per usual the left needs to resort to lies as they don't have an argument.   I have never said that I believed the first amendment should be overturned and I would passionately defend your right to tell lies, be abhorrent, and spout all the nonsense the left typically spouts without facing arrest or persecution from the state for doing so.   If I was your employer though, I would probably fire you for your abhorrent views as I wouldn't want someone with those views representing my company unless you had a position as a cleaner or something else not public facing.

 

Does that help clarify my position on free speech?  

 

By the way, I don't agree with Charlie Kirk on abortion or gun rights, I actually think the UK has this about correct in both cases. That said, if the UK continues to put the safety of UK citizens (particularly women) at risk from the cultural enricher small boat invasion I am prepared to change my mind on the right to own and carry a gun for defense.    

7 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

As per usual the left needs to resort to lies as they don't have an argument.   I have never said that I believed the first amendment should be overturned and I would passionately defend your right to tell lies, be abhorrent, and spout all the nonsense the left typically spouts without facing arrest or persecution from the state for doing so.   If I was your employer though, I would probably fire you for your abhorrent views as I wouldn't want someone with those views representing my company unless you had a position as a cleaner or something else not public facing.

 

Does that help clarify my position on free speech?  

 

By the way, I don't agree with Charlie Kirk on abortion or gun rights, I actually think the UK has this about correct in both cases. That said, if the UK continues to put the safety of UK citizens (particularly women) at risk from the cultural enricher small boat invasion I am prepared to change my mind on the right to own and carry a gun for defense.    

To justify the canceling of Jimmy Kimmel, you claimed that that the shooting of Charlie Kirk was a lot more serious than  the FCC's threat to ABC. So, yes, you do support the overturning of the First Amendment

23 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You still haven’t answered the question.

 

Have another go:

 

 

 

I have seen no official legal statements from the US government that said ABC had to fire Kimmel.  The left have an unbelievable amount of form for lying so unless I see official FCC statement or legal position then why should I believe it?  Because you said so?  ABC made a decision that they considered best for their business and if they really wanted to keep him in his job then they could have fought for him as there was no legal requirement to fire him.  They didn't do that though, did they?  

 

Provide a link that isn't hearsay and maybe I'll take it seriously, otherwise the fact of the matter is that its just conjecture and since ABC didn't kick up a fuss my presumption is that they wanted him gone anyway, and this or any other excuse would have done it.  

2 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

To justify the canceling of Jimmy Kimmel, you claimed that that the shooting of Charlie Kirk was a lot more serious than  the FCC's threat to ABC. So, yes, you do support the overturning of the First Amendment

 

Why do you need to keep lying about what I said?  Is it a pathological problem that you have do you think?  Maybe you should see a doctor.  I'll repeat what I said below...

 

 I have never said that I believed the first amendment should be overturned and I would passionately defend your right to tell lies, be abhorrent, and spout all the nonsense the left typically spouts without facing arrest or persecution from the state for doing so.   If I was your employer though, I would probably fire you for your abhorrent views as I wouldn't want someone with those views representing my company unless you had a position as a cleaner or something else not public facing.

Shouldn't other talk shows hosts be happy ?

Now Jimmy Fallon can get the few thousand viewers that watched

Kimmel and in 2026 the few viewers of Colbert.

 

I hope Fallon and Meyers are next.

4 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Why do you need to keep lying about what I said?  Is it a pathological problem that you have do you think?  Maybe you should see a doctor.  I'll repeat what I said below...

 

 I have never said that I believed the first amendment should be overturned and I would passionately defend your right to tell lies, be abhorrent, and spout all the nonsense the left typically spouts without facing arrest or persecution from the state for doing so.   If I was your employer though, I would probably fire you for your abhorrent views as I wouldn't want someone with those views representing my company unless you had a position as a cleaner or something else not public facing.

How can you reconcile your claim with the fact that you explicitly said Kirk's assassination was a lot more serious than the FCC threatening to put ABC out of business?

1 hour ago, Alan Zweibel said:

By the way, it's so far unbacked by any valid evidence that Kirk's wife and children were there to witness his assassination.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/unpacking-claim-charlie-kirks-wife-013000188.html

Yeah but they'll throw that in there anyway just in case, it's a bit like saying he was a husband and a father. It's fairly lame, almost everybody's a husband and her father. So what? 

3 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

Free speech as in the First amendment is alive and well in the USA!!

Not if Trump and his pathetic minions have their way. 

13 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

How can you reconcile your claim with the fact that you explicitly said Kirk's assassination was a lot more serious than the FCC threatening to put ABC out of business?

 

Ok you have got me cornered here so I am just going to have to come out and say it.   Yes I do tend to consider that the assassination of a young father of 2 for his opinions a lot more serious then a talk show host losing his job for his opinions.     

 

I presume that murdering someone for their opinions is okay with you but you draw the line on someone losing their job for them?

3 hours ago, James105 said:

 

It will probably never stop being amusing to see the left complaining so much about cancel culture and free speech erosion now it has happened to their side after so many warnings from the right it might actually be used against them one day.   

Not as amusing as MAGAs doing exactly the opposite of what they said! 🤣

 

"Federal Communications Commission Chair Brendan Carr built his brand in part by warning against government meddling in “free speech” — now it appears he’s using his office to do just that.

For years, Carr cast himself as a First Amendment purist, denouncing efforts by Democrats and Republicans to lean on TV providers and social media platforms as “censorship” and a “chilling transgression of free speech.”

He’s defended political satire as “one of the oldest and most important forms of free speech” and warned that even subtle or informal pressure campaigns — letters, hearings, or backchannel threats — amounted to government trying to silence views it didn’t like."

 

 

FCC chair once called government pressure on media a ‘chilling transgression of free speech.’ Now, he’s doing just that

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/19/politics/fcc-chair-carr-kimmel-free-speech-kfile?cid=android_app

 

 

3 hours ago, James105 said:

 

I have seen no official legal statements from the US government that said ABC had to fire Kimmel.  The left have an unbelievable amount of form for lying so unless I see official FCC statement or legal position then why should I believe it?  Because you said so?  ABC made a decision that they considered best for their business and if they really wanted to keep him in his job then they could have fought for him as there was no legal requirement to fire him.  They didn't do that though, did they?  

 

Provide a link that isn't hearsay and maybe I'll take it seriously, otherwise the fact of the matter is that its just conjecture and since ABC didn't kick up a fuss my presumption is that they wanted him gone anyway, and this or any other excuse would have done it.  

Again you dodged the question:

 

Go in, give it a try:

 

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What part did the Government play in the dismissal of Barr and Corano?

 

6 hours ago, transam said:

Your thing....?.....................😂  

You're not very good at sarcasm are you

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Again you dodged the question:

 

Go in, give it a try:

 

What part did the Government play in the dismissal of Barr and Corano?

 

The same as Kimmel.  Unless of course you can provide a source that backs up your claim with an official request to get him fired and is not just conjecture or hearsay.  You cannot seriously expect anyone to believe anything that comes out of a leftists mouth after objectively lying about so many things for so long.  The level of proof required now for me to believe anything you or other leftists say needs to be on the level that would be accepted by a court of law.