10 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

The digital ID is tied to UK-based services and residency. Brits living abroad permanently or foreign nationals without UK work rights (e.g., tourists) aren’t required to have it, so its really tied to those living in the UK?

 

Just wait until it gets hacked? Popcorn time?

Access to UK banking, I'm thinking the banks will just close the accounts of any without digital ID.

Pensions both state and occupational, Im thinking claiming either would require a digital ID. 

Passport and Driving license ........ no digital ID ....... cancelled.

On 9/26/2025 at 11:04 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Can you provide a reference to an official definition potion of the uk being ‘a white Christian county’?

 

Or is it something you made up?

The statement that the UK was historically a "White Christian country" is supported by the following sources, which provide data and context on the UK’s ethnic and religious demographics over time:

 

UK 2021 Census (Office for National Statistics): Confirms historical trends and current demographics. The 2011 and 2001 censuses show ~90% White population and ~60-70% Christian identification in recent decades, with near-100% White and 90%+ Christian in earlier centuries inferred from limited pre-1900 data. Available at: ONS Census Data.

 

Historical Records (British History Online): Documents the UK’s Christian dominance since the 6th century (e.g., St. Augustine’s mission, 597 AD) and the establishment of the Church of England (1534). Pre-20th century population was ~99% White European (Celtic, Anglo-Saxon, Norman descent). Available at: British History Online.

 

Pew Research Center (2019): Notes the UK’s Christian majority historically (90%+ until mid-20th century) and rapid secularization post-1960s, with immigration diversifying ethnicity from the 1950s (e.g., Windrush). See: Pew Research on UK Religion.

 

Migration Observatory (University of Oxford, 2023): Details post-WWII immigration (e.g., 1948 Nationality Act) shifting the UK from near-homogeneous White to 87.1% White by 2021. Available at: Migration Observatory.

On 9/26/2025 at 7:42 AM, BritManToo said:

Just from the OP photo of Kier, I can see he's queer!

No need to know he's living in the same apartment as openly gay Lord Waheed Ali.

No need to know Romanian rent boys are trying to set fire to his home and car.  

You missed out his biggest problem. His middle name is, 'Rodney!'

30 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

It's possible to work illegally even if one is in possession of an NI number.

 

 

Ergo, it will also be possible to work illegally even if one is in possession of a digital ID.  

 

There is already a law in place to fine companies £20,000 for each illegal employee infraction.   They could very easily enforce this using the existing NI number system.  The police could just sit at their desks as they do now when trawling through social media posts looking for hurty words, order some donuts via Deliveroo or Uber and catch the illegal immigrant that is delivering the donuts.  Then the illegal immigrant can be deported saving the taxpayer tens of thousands of pounds, and Deliveroo can be fined £20,000 each time.   Next thing you know, Deliveroo stop employing illegal workers and it acts as a deterrent for other illegal worker employers.  No digital id required.   Simple and it won't cost tens of billions of pounds.  

11 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

The statement that the UK was historically a "White Christian country" is supported by the following sources, which provide data and context on the UK’s ethnic and religious demographics over time:

 

UK 2021 Census (Office for National Statistics): Confirms historical trends and current demographics. The 2011 and 2001 censuses show ~90% White population and ~60-70% Christian identification in recent decades, with near-100% White and 90%+ Christian in earlier centuries inferred from limited pre-1900 data. Available at: ONS Census Data.

 

Historical Records (British History Online): Documents the UK’s Christian dominance since the 6th century (e.g., St. Augustine’s mission, 597 AD) and the establishment of the Church of England (1534). Pre-20th century population was ~99% White European (Celtic, Anglo-Saxon, Norman descent). Available at: British History Online.

 

Pew Research Center (2019): Notes the UK’s Christian majority historically (90%+ until mid-20th century) and rapid secularization post-1960s, with immigration diversifying ethnicity from the 1950s (e.g., Windrush). See: Pew Research on UK Religion.

 

Migration Observatory (University of Oxford, 2023): Details post-WWII immigration (e.g., 1948 Nationality Act) shifting the UK from near-homogeneous White to 87.1% White by 2021. Available at: Migration Observatory.

I wonder if the census had a "no religion" option. I would suggest the figures you show for 2001 and 2011 would be significantly lower if there was such an option.

 

I notice you exclude the Beaker People, Romans and Vikings from your lust of ancestral origins.

3 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Ergo, it will also be possible to work illegally even if one is in possession of a digital ID.  

 

There is already a law in place to fine companies £20,000 for each illegal employee infraction.   They could very easily enforce this using the existing NI number system.  The police could just sit at their desks as they do now when trawling through social media posts looking for hurty words, order some donuts via Deliveroo or Uber and catch the illegal immigrant that is delivering the donuts.  Then the illegal immigrant can be deported saving the taxpayer tens of thousands of pounds, and Deliveroo can be fined £20,000 each time.   Next thing you know, Deliveroo stop employing illegal workers and it acts as a deterrent for other illegal worker employers.  No digital id required.   Simple and it won't cost tens of billions of pounds.  

The digital ID includes a right to work in UK. That's the point. If you don't have one, you shouldn't be employed. 

 

How can someone in possession of "right to work" work illegally?

2 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

 

How can someone in possession of "right to work" work illegally?

 

By working in the black economy, not declaring black economy earnings, not paying tax and NI, whilst drawing benefits

 

Legal taxi drivers / owners. Illegally sub letting their taxi to brothers, cousins. Not declaring the sub letting fees. The brothers, cousins still claiming benefits. Rampant in areas of high ethnic minorities of Pakistani heritage.

 

I could rattle out a few more, but I'm sure you get the drift.

7 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

By working in the black economy, not declaring black economy earnings, not paying tax and NI, whilst drawing benefits

 

Legal taxi drivers / owners. Illegally sub letting their taxi to brothers, cousins. Not declaring the sub letting fees. The brothers, cousins still claiming benefits. Rampant in areas of high ethnic minorities of Pakistani heritage.

 

I could rattle out a few more, but I'm sure you get the drift.

That's not the point of this thread. It's about working without "right to work in UK". It's not about not paying tax or working and claiming benefits. If it was, your comment about Pakistani areas would be inane. 

 

I've recently had work done on a property in UK. Every tradesman, white ethnic UK citizens, accepted cash payments to, in their words, "avoid the tax man". This and working whilst claiming benefits has been going on for many decades.

 

The EU has the same plans on the table. Where is this all going? They are trying to push it through with lies and deceit, yet another example of what the WEF stands for.

3 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

That's not the point of this thread. It's about working without "right to work in UK". It's not about not paying tax or working and claiming benefits. If it was, your comment about Pakistani areas would be inane. 

 

I've recently had work done on a property in UK. Every tradesman, white ethnic UK citizens, accepted cash payments to, in their words, "avoid the tax man". This and working whilst claiming benefits has been going on for many decades.

 

 

Whooooooosh

 

I answered your very specific question

 

23 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

How can someone in possession of "right to work" work illegally?

 

Very easy, as per the examples I gave you.

 

The point I was making. ID Card, or no ID, is not going to stop people working illegally.

 

Neither is it going to stop the boats, or the hordes coming across the Channel.

 

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Whooooooosh

 

I answered your very specific question

 

 

Very easy, as per the examples I gave you.

 

The point I was making. ID Card, or no ID, is not going to stop people working illegally.

 

Neither is it going to stop the boats, or the hordes coming across the Channel.

 

 

 

 

That hasn't answered any questions and it was not the point you were making.

 

You went on a swerve about tax avoidance. Working and claiming benefits. You then added a racial slur. Tax avoidance is not the topic. Neither is working and claiming benefits.

 

I pointed out, this happens and has happened for decades, across all religions, nationalities, races, etc. Making your reference to Pakistanis only, inane.

 

The point of digital ID, whether it will work or not is a different conversation, is to check prospective employees "right to work" in UK.

 

There is already a system to do that but it is cumbersome and difficult for UK citizens that don't have a passport. This system will make things simpler for those people. It will also likely help those with no photo ID to vote, something so many people were complaining about at the last GE.

4 hours ago, Ubonian Canadian said:

Honest questions.

Is there a legal way to have Starmer removed before his term is up?

If so, why is it not being done?

The UK PM is technically appointed by the monach and can be also removed by him too... although, the last time that happened was 1834, so isn't going to be very likely. However, in this age of breaking rules and setting firsts, the King could be told to do so by enough politicians and he would have to comply.

The more likey way is a vote of no confidence, or if things get so bad and the public revolts, then he would be expected to stand down "for the good of the country", which if it gets bad enough with riots/discontent on a large enough scale, would also be used to calm everyone down along with the markets etc, by calling an early election. Trouble is, things would have to get really bad first. The other way that a sitting PM could be gotten rid of is like Liz Truss was, by the money-men and markets that control stuff like the bond market and treasury notes etc., but that would result in Labour picking someone new through a leadership contest, so Labour would still end up in charge.

I think there is a lot of buyers' regret swirling around in the UK electorial population, but many voters have forgotten what Labour really means... and I don't mean Tony Blair, as he was center ground and acceptable. You have to go back to Niel Kinnock to fully grasp Labour's values and policies (and the 70s few remember what a mess that was), which they are still trying to enact, just in a less overt and a more sneaky way... hence my doctored picture of "Nothing-to-see-here Kier" Starmer. 

Germany and France already have I.D  and they also have thousands of Illegals who possess fake I.D’s  so what’s the true point in forcing them on the general public.

unless of course it’s control of the masses.

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

That hasn't answered any questions and it was not the point you were making.

 

You went on a swerve about tax avoidance. Working and claiming benefits. You then added a racial slur. Tax avoidance is not the topic. Neither is working and claiming benefits.

 

I pointed out, this happens and has happened for decades, across all religions, nationalities, races, etc. Making your reference to Pakistanis only, inane.

 

The point of digital ID, whether it will work or not is a different conversation, is to check prospective employees "right to work" in UK.

 

There is already a system to do that but it is cumbersome and difficult for UK citizens that don't have a passport. This system will make things simpler for those people. It will also likely help those with no photo ID to vote, something so many people were complaining about at the last GE.

 

Nobody would have an issue with a voluntary system to make it easier for people to identify who they are if they are willing to let a bunch of incompetent clowns handle all their data.  Those who don't want or need it can continue to use their driving license or passport etc.  

 

The problem is that we all saw recently just how authoritarian a government could be when they have full control over peoples actions and they would use power for powers sake, telling people to walk a certain path round a supermarket, or stand on a particular spot in the queue, or tell people that they cannot go to the pub unless they buy a scotch egg at the same time and get people to grass on each other.  And that was the conservative party.  These morons wanted harder, more intrusive rules, more spending, more government interference imposed.   

 

I also remember someone in particular complaining about forcing ID upon people.   

 

No doubt they will claim this will stop illegal immigration.

 

Then push it through without a mandate.

 

Then illegal immigration will treble. 

I remember when digital driving licences with photo, and the owner's birth date on it were introduced So many people, mainly ladies, objected to this, so the birth date was 'disguised' in the driver's number.

 

1 hour ago, KannikaP said:

I remember when digital driving licences with photo, and the owner's birth date on it were introduced So many people, mainly ladies, objected to this, so the birth date was 'disguised' in the driver's number.

 

 

Your DOB was incorporated in your driving licence number before Digital driving licences were invented.

 

First 5 letters of your Surname, jumbled up DOB, Initials, then something else that I cannot remember.

I saw a video of Starmer discussing this, and he really is something else. What will the government do if a majority of people refuse to comply with the digital ID? Will they fire everyone and shut down the economy? The people have the power if they choose to exercise it.

On 9/26/2025 at 1:39 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

That might make sense to those of us who think we can gather all we need to know about someone just by looking at them.

Anybody who has sponsored a Thai wife on a spousal visa will tell you that any migrant on a visa whose first language is not English must pass an English test. So surely everybody applying for benefits of any sort must surely be able to communicate in English.

24 minutes ago, roo860 said:

 

I think you just have to ask yourself

 

How did a Human Rights Lawyer become the Director of Public Prosecutions ?

 

How did a Human Rights Lawyer also become the head of the Criminal Prosecution Service ?
 

Both, being positions, that any sane person, would rightfully expect to go to someone, who was highly skilled and highly experienced, in Criminal Prosecutions.

8 hours ago, Surasak said:

You missed out his biggest problem. His middle name is, 'Rodney!'

 

And his brothers name is Del.

11 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

I wonder if the census had a "no religion" option. I would suggest the figures you show for 2001 and 2011 would be significantly lower if there was such an option.

 

I notice you exclude the Beaker People, Romans and Vikings from your lust of ancestral origins.

The UK Census included a "No religion" option since 2001, The data I provided reflects this option, so Christian numbers weren’t artificially high in 2001/2011, ergo your suggestion is incorrect!

 

The Beaker People, Romans, and Vikings  shaped the UK’s White population. Beaker People (2500 BCE) replaced ~90% of Neolithic DNA, forming the genetic base. Romans (43–410 CE) added minor (1-2%) genetic input but major cultural influence. Vikings (800–1100 CE) contributed ~6-10% DNA, especially in northern/eastern UK. The full ancestral mix includes Beaker, Celtic, Roman, Anglo-Saxon, Viking, and Norman origins.

 

12 hours ago, roo860 said:

 

Blair. Starmer. Corbyn.

 

How these evil snakes can claim to hold any kind of moral high ground is incredible.

 

Calling other people fascists. 😄

 

They are literally everything they accuse others of being. Racist. Authoritarian. Antisemitic. Fascistic.

 

Sickening vile individuals. 

 

#bekind 😁

13 hours ago, Fact said:

I saw a video of Starmer discussing this, and he really is something else. What will the government do if a majority of people refuse to comply with the digital ID? Will they fire everyone and shut down the economy? The people have the power if they choose to exercise it.

 

My sinister prediction.   They will make it a requirement to have this to be able to vote.   They will force people to choose between going along with this nasty authoritarian measure or lose their ability to vote Labour out of government.  

I think we can now add his alleged Inheritance Tax Avoidance, also being discussed across the UK

 

 

I don't understand how a non English speaking Arabic-looking person could get anything from the government.

Illegal immigrants who work cash in hand do not have and are not asked for IDs. If digital IDs are provided to citizens it doesn't mean employers won't hire cheap labour without IDs.

Foreigners need a work permit. That's enough.

20 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

It's possible to work illegally even if one is in possession of an NI number.

 

 

Sure, possible.

 

No doubt it will also be possible to work illegally even if one is in possession of a digital ID.

 

Labour has been trying to bring in a ID Card for UK citizens for decades. It's not about monitoring working legally.

From BBC

 

Will digital ID cards stop illegal working?

 

ID cards have always been viewed with suspicion in the UK. For some people they can conjure up images of authoritarian states like Germany in the 1930s, and men in jackboots barking "May we see your papers please?"

 

There were two periods when we had compulsory ID cards here in Britain. The first was during World War One. The second was from the beginning of World War Two until the early 1950s.

 

When the system was abandoned in 1952, an editorial in the Guardian said: "In this country we do not like this sort of thing. Better a little evasion and inefficiency than too much petty bureaucratic interference with the individual."

 

The last attempt to introduce an ID scheme, in 2006, was born through familiar concerns about immigration and illegal working, as well as worries about benefit fraud and terrorism. It was scrapped by the coalition government when they came to power in 2010.

 

Fifteen years on, Sir Keir Starmer is proposing something slightly different. Not an ID card, but a digital ID scheme. It is a way of proving your identity, and your right to work in the UK, using modern smartphone technology.

 

Though the government also says it "will ensure that it works for those who aren't able to use a smartphone, with inclusion at the heart of its design". How that would be achieved is not yet clear, though it might mean people without a smartphone have to use a physical ID card.

 

What is the plan for digital IDs and will they be mandatory?

Digital ID is being sold by Downing Street as a way of reducing illegal working by migrants who do not have the right to earn wages in Britain.

 

The rules are already - in theory - quite tough. Employers can be fined £60,000 per illegal employee if they have not done the correct checks.

 

The government says the proposed new digital ID - which will cost the user nothing - "will be the authoritative proof of who someone is and their residency status in this country".

 

It will include the holder's name, date of birth, photograph, and information on nationality or residency status.

 

Instead of involving a physical card linked to a National Identity Register, this new proposal is more a proof of identity scheme. As well as proving a person's right to work the government promise that it will in future "make it simpler to apply for services like driving licences, childcare and welfare."

 

Ministers say that "by the end of the parliament" digital ID will be compulsory when checking someone's right to work. They claim that this will in turn reduce on of the "key pull factors" for people arriving in the UK in small boats.

 

"You will not be able to work in the United Kingdom if you do not have digital ID", the prime minister said. "It is as simple as that."

 

A more secure way of people proving their identity might reduce illegal working, and avoid the proliferation of fake documents in circulation.

 

At the moment, it is quite easy to borrow, steal or use someone else's National Insurance number and that is part of the problem in the shadow economy - but the idea is a picture would make it - in theory - harder to abuse that system.

 

But former Home Office official David Rennie said he did not believe the plan would have "any bearing on people coming to this country illegally".

 

"It's the black economy - by its nature, they're not performing right to work checks," he told BBC Radio 4's the World at One.

 

Mr Rennie, who now works at Orchestrating Identity - a company that performs these checks - acknowledged the system had "gaps" and could be improved, with some people finding it difficult to prove they could work in the UK.

 

"But that doesn't mean that you have to implement, at great expense to the taxpayer, a digital identity system for the whole country. They should really focus on improving what they've already put in place."

 

Jill Rutter, of the Institute for Government, has meanwhile emphasised the need for "stronger Labour market enforcement" alongside the scheme.

 

"People are paying cash, people are working in what the prime minister calls the 'shadow economy'," she said.

 

"It means people won't have an excuse for not checking, saying 'I thought they were British', and people won't be able to use fake ID so easily.

 

"So it will help, but I don't think it's an absolute panacea."

 

The scheme will also take time. The phrase "by the end of the parliament" is shorthand for 2028, when the next general election is most likely to take place. This is not something that can be done in a year.

 

Most EU countries have some sort of ID scheme. One of the most modern ones is in Estonia where the focus is less on preventing illegal working, and more on easy access to things like benefits and health records.

 

But in countries like France and Germany, which both have long-running ID schemes, illegal working is still a problem. Though the French have long-complained that one of the pull factors to the UK for people crossing the channel in small boats is that it is even easier to work illegally in Britain than it is in France