1 hour ago, candide said:

Wrong!

The Palestinian Authority recognises Israel. Israel doesn't recognise Palestine's right to exist independently from Israel. 🙂

 

   So, why did Palestine invade Israel ?

Palestine wants the whole land for itself with Israel not existing 

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   So, why did Palestine invade Israel ?

Palestine wants the whole land for itself with Israel not existing 

The same lame distortion tactic again! 🤣

 

Hamas is not "Palestine". You can post it as many times as you want, it will not make it true,

2 minutes ago, candide said:

The same lame distortion tactic again! 🤣

 

Hamas is not "Palestine". You can post it as many times as you want, it will not make it true,

 

  Hamas are the elected leaders of Palestine .

The invasion of Israel on Oct 7 th was carried of by the people of Palestine , Hamas and non Hamas .

   The elected leaders of Palestine ordered its people to invade Israel and they did so 

15 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Every other warring Countries, every other generation has moved on  and bear no grudges .

   Why would the Palestinians be any different ?

Do the Germans and Vietnamese still  hold grudges against the USA for previous wars ?   

   Nope

 

I hope you are right.

 

I'm not sure the Vietnamese don't bear grudges, they show it through their visa requirements.

12 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

15 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I don't agree, especially in this case. With 50 to 60,000 Palestinians killed over the past two years, I believe there will be a lot of husbands/wives, fathers/mothers, sons/daughters who will never forgive Israel for what they have done.

 

    Maybe they will be thanking Israel for ridding Hamas from Gaza ?

Brave and courageous Israeli soldiers fought and defeated Hamas freeing Gaza from the Hamas gangsters and allowing them to live freely and prosperously 

About 1,000 Israelis were killed on Oct 7, and fewer than 1,000 IDF soldiers have been killed in Gaza. That's about 2,000 Israeli dead compared to 50 to 60,000 Palestinians. Like I said above, I predict there will be a lot of Palestinian survivors and many Muslims elsewhere who will continue to seek revenge on Israel in the coming years, regardless of what agreements are made. This Jew/Muslim conflict will probably never be settled. And, just for the record, I put the blame on BOTH sides. 😞 

13 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   So, why did Palestine invade Israel ?

Palestine wants the whole land for itself with Israel not existing 

Why has Israel taken about 90% of all Palestinian land since the division in 1947? Israel wants the whole land for itself, with Palestine not existing. They both only want a one-state solution, and I think any attempts at creating a two-state solution (again) will not be accepted. I believe this "war" will go on and on regardless of whatever agreements are reached now. 😞

28 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Why has Israel taken about 90% of all Palestinian land since the division in 1947? Israel wants the whole land for itself, with Palestine not existing. They both only want a one-state solution, and I think any attempts at creating a two-state solution (again) will not be accepted. I believe this "war" will go on and on regardless of whatever agreements are reached now. 😞

Untrue.  There was a war in the middle, if you have forgotten.  A war of extermination started by the Arab League and the Palestiinians. They lost, so they lost land.  Happens all the time. Plus populations shift as a result of war- look at Europe 1944-50.  Same thing. 

 

The difference is that there are 20 plus Arab and 50 plus Muslim countries in the world for the Palestinians to escape to. There is one Jewish country. Nowhere to go, so they fight like hell to keep it. 

35 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

About 1,000 Israelis were killed on Oct 7, and fewer than 1,000 IDF soldiers have been killed in Gaza. That's about 2,000 Israeli dead compared to 50 to 60,000 Palestinians. Like I said above, I predict there will be a lot of Palestinian survivors and many Muslims elsewhere who will continue to seek revenge on Israel in the coming years, regardless of what agreements are made. This Jew/Muslim conflict will probably never be settled. And, just for the record, I put the blame on BOTH sides. 😞 

Cool So tell me, what did ”both sides" do on October 7th?

10 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Untrue.  There was a war in the middle, if you have forgotten.  A war of extermination started by the Arab League and the Palestiinians. They lost, so they lost land.  Happens all the time. Plus populations shift as a result of war- look at Europe 1944-50.  Same thing. 

 

The difference is that there are 20 plus Arab and 50 plus Muslim countries in the world for the Palestinians to escape to. There is one Jewish country. Nowhere to go, so they fight like hell to keep it. 

 

Let's not forget changing borders through force is illegal.

29 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Cool So tell me, what did ”both sides" do on October 7th?

"Both sides" did not commit any atrocities on Oct 7, 2023. Only one side did by killing around 2,000 people- Hamas/Palestine.

From Oct 8, 2023, to the present, for over two years, one side has committed an overwhelmingly large number of atrocities. killing as many as 60,000 people - Israel. 

Like I've said several times above, BOTH sides are at fault. 

2 hours ago, WDSmart said:

About 1,000 Israelis were killed on Oct 7, and fewer than 1,000 IDF soldiers have been killed in Gaza. That's about 2,000 Israeli dead compared to 50 to 60,000 Palestinians. Like I said above, I predict there will be a lot of Palestinian survivors and many Muslims elsewhere who will continue to seek revenge on Israel in the coming years, regardless of what agreements are made. This Jew/Muslim conflict will probably never be settled. And, just for the record, I put the blame on BOTH sides. 😞 

 

    If Muslims would stop attacking Jews then there would be no conflict anywhere between Muslims and Jews.

   Muslims are fully to blame for the violence 

15 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Hamas are the elected leaders of Palestine .

The invasion of Israel on Oct 7 th was carried of by the people of Palestine , Hamas and non Hamas .

   The elected leaders of Palestine ordered its people to invade Israel and they did so 

Hamas is not the official representative of Palestine, it's the Palestinian Authority. You are twisting facts to support your narrative, as usual. 🙂

9 minutes ago, candide said:

Hamas is not the official representative of Palestine, it's the Palestinian Authority. You are twisting facts to support your narrative, as usual. 🙂

 

   Do stop claiming that I twist facts .

The P.A were voted out of Gaza and Hamas were voted in  .

Hamas are the elected leaders of Palestine in Gaza .

 

16 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Do stop claiming that I twist facts .

The P.A were voted out of Gaza and Hamas were voted in  .

Hamas are the elected leaders of Palestine in Gaza .

 

Lol! Only you calls Hamas "Palestine" The Israeli government doesn't! 🤣

Just now, candide said:

Lol! Only you calls Hamas "Palestine" The Israeli government doesn't! 🤣

 

  Now YOU stop twisting things .

I did say :  "elected leaders of Palestine in Gaza"

Now that Hamas have been defeated, you are trying to twist it to now be that Hamas have nothing to do with Palestine .

   Hamas were the elected leaders of Gaza at the time of the attack and many non Hamas joined in with the invasion of Israel on oct 7 th 

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    If Muslims would stop attacking Jews then there would be no conflict anywhere between Muslims and Jews.

   Muslims are fully to blame for the violence 

I disagree. I believe Jews are just as guilty of attacking Muslims in Palestine, especially over the past two years, but Israeli attacks and expelling Muslims have been going on for at least 70 years. IMO, they are both at fault.

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I disagree. I believe Jews are just as guilty of attacking Muslims in Palestine, especially over the past two years, but Israeli attacks and expelling Muslims have been going on for at least 70 years. IMO, they are both at fault.

 

   No Muslims have been expelled from Israel in the last 70 years 

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   No Muslims have been expelled from Israel in the last 70 years 

Is there a comma missing from your post Nick?

5 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Is there a comma missing from your post Nick?

 

   There isn't .

Just to clarify .

Muslims have not been expelled from Israel in the last 70 years 

15 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   No Muslims have been expelled from Israel in the last 70 years 

They've been expelled from land Israel has taken by force, and they are, even now, being expelled from both Gaza and the West Bank. 

18 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   So, why did Palestine invade Israel ?

Palestine wants the whole land for itself with Israel not existing 

 

32 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Now YOU stop twisting things .

I did say :  "elected leaders of Palestine in Gaza"

Now that Hamas have been defeated, you are trying to twist it to now be that Hamas have nothing to do with Palestine .

   Hamas were the elected leaders of Gaza at the time of the attack and many non Hamas joined in with the invasion of Israel on oct 7 th 

That's what you wrote. That "Palestine" invaded Israel.

8 minutes ago, candide said:

 

That's what you wrote. That "Palestine" invaded Israel.

 

  Yes, Palestinians from  Gaza invaded Israel .

 

17 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

They've been expelled from land Israel has taken by force, and they are, even now, being expelled from both Gaza and the West Bank. 

 

   Where are they being expelled  (from Gaza) to ?

28 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Where are they being expelled  (from Gaza) to ?

They are being told to relocate to some other Arab country. At least that's what CNN says.

Anyway, my point in all my posts about this is that BOTH sides are guilty of violence against the other, and BOTH sides want all the land for themselves alone. You may believe one side is more guilty than the other, but both sides are guilty. 😞 

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

They are being told to relocate to some other Arab country. At least that's what CNN says.

 

    Can you post a  link up for that CNN claim ?

 

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Can you post a  link up for that CNN claim ?

 

No, but I can post a link to another source... Where could Palestinians forced from Gaza go – and what have those nations said about Trump's plan? | The Independent

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/trump-gaza-palestinians-jordan-egypt-lebanon-b2692576.html

5 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

No, but I can post a link to another source... Where could Palestinians forced from Gaza go – and what have those nations said about Trump's plan? | The Independent

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/trump-gaza-palestinians-jordan-egypt-lebanon-b2692576.html

 

    That link doesn't back up your claim .

You were wrong , Palestinians are not being expelled from Israel or Gaza and they haven't been told to relocate to somewhere else 

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    That link doesn't back up your claim .

You were wrong , Palestinians are not being expelled from Israel or Gaza and they haven't been told to relocate to somewhere else 

That link does support my claim. The subtitle of the main article says "Jordan, Egypt and Lebanon are home to many Palestinian refugees already. " 

And, by the way, how can I post a link on these forums that appears as a clickable link? I used to be able to do that, but now, all the links I post are just text. 

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   There isn't .

Just to clarify .

Muslims have not been expelled from Israel in the last 70 years 

Here's another link... Israel’s West Bank operation fuels mass displacement of Palestinians 

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/06/israels-destructive-west-bank-military-operation-fuels-mass-forced-displacement-of-palestinians/Israel’s West Bank operation fuels mass displacement of Palestinians

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Here's another link... Israel’s West Bank operation fuels mass displacement of Palestinians 

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/06/israels-destructive-west-bank-military-operation-fuels-mass-forced-displacement-of-palestinians/Israel’s West Bank operation fuels mass displacement of Palestinians

 

   Do stop wasting my time by posting links that do not back up what you say .

   Being temporary displaced ISNT being expelled