3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, kind of... I predict that if, for example, Hamas cannot locate one or two of the dead hostages within the 72-hour window, Israel will blame the violation of the agreement on Hamas and then continue its decimation of Hamas and the expulsion of all Palestinians from the West Bank. 

 

   I believe that Israel realises that Hamas may not be able to get all the hostages back in time due to them not knowing their location 

9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I believe that Israel realises that Hamas may not be able to get all the hostages back in time due to them not knowing their location 

I hope you're right, and I also hope Hamas is able to return all the hostages, living and dead, in the time specified. I hope this agreement continues and expands into serious discussions about a two-state solution. But, I wouldn't bet on that... 😞 

19 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I disagree. I think the decimation of Gaza and the expulsion of all Palestinians from the West Bank were what Israel intended to do all along. The Oct 7 attack just gave them the excuse they were looking for. 

They never needed any excuses

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

I hope you're right, and I also hope Hamas is able to return all the hostages, living and dead, in the time specified. I hope this agreement continues and expands into serious discussions about a two-state solution. But, I wouldn't bet on that... 😞 

 

   I would think that it would be about 50 years before Israel will think about agreeing to a  2SS .

   There will need to be a new generation of Gazians who really do want to leave in peace with Israel .

   Will take  about 50 years for  generation and mindset change 

  

18 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I believe that Israel realises that Hamas may not be able to get all the hostages back in time due to them not knowing their location 

If they don't know their location then do they even know if they are alive or dead/

Just now, Bday Prang said:

20 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I disagree. I think the decimation of Gaza and the expulsion of all Palestinians from the West Bank were what Israel intended to do all along. The Oct 7 attack just gave them the excuse they were looking for. 

They never needed any excuses

Yes, at least that's what they think. They believe their "God" gave them this land centuries ago, so anything they do to take all the land as their own is okay. 

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I would think that it would be about 50 years before Israel will think about agreeing to a  2SS .

   There will need to be a new generation of Gazians who really do want to leave in peace with Israel .

   Will take  about 50 years for  generation and mindset change 

  

For that to occur, Israel would have to totally change it’s attitude towards Palestinians.

 

I don’t see that happening.

Just now, WDSmart said:

Yes, at least that's what they think. They believe their "God" gave them this land centuries ago, so anything they do to take all the land as their own is okay. 

which is fair enough as long as islamists think it's okay to kill anybody who does not follow their "faith" as told to them by Mohamed centuries ago.    

3 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

If they don't know their location then do they even know if they are alive or dead/

 

   Other terrorists groups in Gaza may be holding the hostages in an unknown location and they have given info on their condition 

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I would think that it would be about 50 years before Israel will think about agreeing to a  2SS .

   There will need to be a new generation of Gazians who really do want to leave in peace with Israel .

   Will take  about 50 years for  generation and mindset change 

  

I disagree with some of what you wrote above. I don't think the far-right party now in charge of Israel will EVER consider a 2SS.
I do agree that so many Palestinians have been killed over the past two years that this and the upcoming generation will never want peace with Israel, including a 2SS. They, of course, don't have the military power to really confront Israel, but attacks like Oct 7 and periodic assassinations will, IMO, continue.

I think this "war" will continue for at least the 50 years you mentioned. I'll be dead by then, so I won't ever know how, if at all, it's resolved.

3 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

For that to occur, Israel would have to totally change it’s attitude towards Palestinians.

 

I don’t see that happening.

 

   Israel accepts Palestine's right to exist .

Palestine needs to accept Israel's right to exist 

 

4 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

which is fair enough as long as islamists think it's okay to kill anybody who does not follow their "faith" as told to them by Mohamed centuries ago.    

Yes! I want to make it clear here that I don't see this as a black-and-white situation, where one side is right and the other side is wrong. I think both sides are wrong. 

On 10/10/2025 at 7:18 PM, WDSmart said:

No, I predict it will be the lying Israelis who will reneg this time. They will wait until Hamas returns all the hostages they have, then they will accuse Hamas of not returning all of them, and then they will continue their relentless genocide of the Palestinian people. That was their plan all along. 😠

Hope so.

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

I do agree that so many Palestinians have been killed over the past two years that this and the upcoming generation will never want peace with Israel, including a 2SS. 

 

  Every other warring Countries, every other generation has moved on  and bear no grudges .

   Why would the Palestinians be any different ?

Do the Germans and Vietnamese still  hold grudges against the USA for previous wars ?   

   Nope

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Other terrorists groups in Gaza may be holding the hostages in an unknown location and they have given info on their condition 

So in  reality there is no guarantee that they are alive, again it is down to the words of terrorists, just like the alleged casualty and death count ?

1 minute ago, emptypockets said:

Hope so.

who could blame them either

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Every other warring Countries, every other generation has moved on  and bear no grudges .

   Why would the Palestinians be any different ?

Do the Germans and Vietnamese still  hold grudges against the USA for previous wars ?   

   Nope

I don't agree, especially in this case. With 50 to 60,000 Palestinians killed over the past two years, I believe there will be a lot of husbands/wives, fathers/mothers, sons/daughters who will never forgive Israel for what they have done.

I don't know what the Germans or Vietnamese think of the USA now. I would think there are some that will never forgive the USA, especially in Vietnam, for how we conducted the war there.  

29 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I hope you're right, and I also hope Hamas is able to return all the hostages, living and dead, in the time specified. I hope this agreement continues and expands into serious discussions about a two-state solution. But, I wouldn't bet on that... 😞 

How many hostages do you really think will be returned alive? Even the ones currently living?

2 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

How many hostages do you really think will be returned alive? Even the ones currently living?

I obviously don't know the answer to that question, but I believe all the hostages that are living and can be found will be returned alive. I also believe some, hopefully only a few, of the hostages that are dead will not be able to be located, so their bodies will not be returned. I think this could cause problems. 

7 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I don't agree, especially in this case. With 50 to 60,000 Palestinians killed over the past two years, I believe there will be a lot of husbands/wives, fathers/mothers, sons/daughters who will never forgive Israel for what they have done.

I don't know what the Germans or Vietnamese think of the USA now. I would think there are some that will never forgive the USA, especially in Vietnam, for how we conducted the war there.  

We are not talking countries. Countries are irrelevant in this case.

We are talking about a mediaeval cult who has, as one of their many beliefs, that Jews should be annihilated, and the infidel subjugated.

They are happy to die, or become a martyr as they call it, to achieve these ends.

Once you understand that then the end result may become clear to you.

On 10/10/2025 at 2:18 AM, WDSmart said:

No, I predict it will be the lying Israelis who will reneg this time. They will wait until Hamas returns all the hostages they have, then they will accuse Hamas of not returning all of them, and then they will continue their relentless genocide of the Palestinian people. That was their plan all along. 😠

Stop pretending, it’s a goofy habit. Hamas will hurdle the first thug rocket and Israel will retaliate as usual. The sole purpose of hamas is to kill their neighbor, they exist for no other reason.

Just now, emptypockets said:

We are not talking countries. Countries are irrelevant in this case.

We are talking about a mediaeval cult who has, as one of their many beliefs, that Jews should be annihilated, and the infidel subjugated.

Once you understand that then the end result may become clear to you.

Yes, and I believe the same can be said for the right-wing, nationalistic wing of the Israeli government that is now in charge of Israel. They believe all of the land that used to be called "Palestine" was given to them centuries ago by their "God" and all Muslim infidels should be eliminated. Netanyahu is a good example of that. 

1 minute ago, novacova said:

Stop pretending, it’s a goofy habit. Hamas will hurdle the first thug rocket and Israel will retaliate as usual. The sole purpose of hamas is to kill their neighbor, they exist for no other reason.

I agree, but I also believe that the reason you quote above also applies to Israel. 

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, and I believe the same can be said for the right-wing, nationalistic wing of the Israeli government that is now in charge of Israel. They believe all of the land that used to be called "Palestine" was given to them centuries ago by their "God" and all Muslim infidels should be eliminated. Netanyahu is a good example of that. 

No.

I don't recall anywhere that the Jewish faith calls for the annihilation of anyone. The Jewish faith has been around at least a 1000 years before Islam.

I think you are getting mixed up with your Muslim infidel comment.

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

I agree, but I also believe that the reason you quote above also applies to Israel. 

It’s a mess over there, hamas brought this nightmare to gaza and Israel has done the unthinkable. 

Just now, emptypockets said:

No.

I don't recall anywhere that the Jewish faith calls for the annihilation of anyone. The Jewish faith has been around at least a 1000 years before Islam.

I think you are getting mixed up with your Muslim infidel comment.

Read the Exodus in the Old Testament of the Bible, or the Torah. After wandering around in the desert for many years, the Jews finally reached Canaan, which they took from the Canaanites by force - or so these books say. And, if you look at the 1947 map of Palestine and how the UN then divided up the land between the Israelis and Palestinians, and compare it to today, you'll see how much land Israel has taken from the Palestinians. 

2 minutes ago, novacova said:

It’s a mess over there, hamas brought this nightmare to gaza and Israel has done the unthinkable. 

I agree wholeheartedly... 😞

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Israel accepts Palestine's right to exist .

Palestine needs to accept Israel's right to exist 

 

Wrong!

The Palestinian Authority recognises Israel. Israel doesn't recognise Palestine's right to exist independently from Israel. 🙂

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

Read the Exodus in the Old Testament of the Bible, or the Torah. 

 

  Or read Lord of the Rings or The Cat in the Hat.

 

  Same same but different.

2 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I don't agree, especially in this case. With 50 to 60,000 Palestinians killed over the past two years, I believe there will be a lot of husbands/wives, fathers/mothers, sons/daughters who will never forgive Israel for what they have done.

 

    Maybe they will be thanking Israel for ridding Hamas from Gaza ?

Brave and courageous Israeli soldiers fought and defeated Hamas freeing Gaza from the Hamas gangsters and allowing them to live freely and prosperously