From my own personal point of view some of the hardest working people I know in America are immigrants, many do the kind of work that Americans are unwilling to do, and most do it at wages that Americans have no interest in. It is a nation of immigrants, and immigrants have made America what it is today. Demonizing all immigrants is just silly, uninformed and juvenile. About a third of medical specialists in the US are Asian, and more than half of the surgical nurses in the US are Filipinos. Many are licensed MD's who could not get their credentials in the US. 

 

There's no question that illegal immigration must be limited, but to deny that American industry could not exist without some illegal immigration is to deny reality, as the current quota systems are antiquated, and the current legal immigration system is broken. 

 

Nativist fervor culminated in 1924 with the Immigration Act. Aimed at slowing immigration from undesirable countries, the law capped immigration to 2 percent of a nationality’s U.S. population as of 1890, over 30 years earlier. It proved impossible to unwind Americans’ tangled ancestry, but no matter. The law was used to justify giving the majority of visas to Northern and Western Europeans, while strictly limiting immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe — a change celebrated by the Ku Klux Klan for keeping out Catholics and Jews. The door remained almost entirely closed to people from Asia and Africa.

 

Why would lawmakers choose to reject a promising scientist from Asia while welcoming an illiterate farmer from Germany? Because they conflated race, nation and culture into a set of immutable traits attached to entire countries. The national character was in their “alien blood,” lawmakers said, rendering some nationalities inherently unfit for membership in the United States.

 

If the Trump administration has its way, these assumptions will once again govern U.S. immigration policy. Recently, Stephen Miller, the architect of President Trump’s immigration policy, defended collectively punishing Afghans for the shooting that killed one National Guard member and injured another. “You are not just importing individuals. You are importing societies,” he wrote. “Migrants and their descendants recreate the conditions, and terrors, of their broken homelands.” Mr. Miller would have felt right at home in the 1924 Congress.

 

Every immigrant is individually vetted, and immigration is capped worldwide, but no longer are any nationalities automatically restricted.

America is stronger for it. Nearly half of Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or their children — and many came from countries that were heavily restricted before 1965. Immigrants generally commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans, and Afghans are no exception.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/05/opinion/immigration-restrictions-dc-shooting.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

Ad nauseum BS as usual 

Every in  the USA who is not legally here should be removed immediately like they do in Thailand

Why oh why do leftists keep intentiinally conflating legal and illegal migration to make false points? Can they really be that dense?

32 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Why oh why do leftists keep intentiinally conflating legal and illegal migration to make false points? Can they really be that dense?

Because that's all these dense people got with their flawed strawmans. And then when these illegals here knock out 20 anchor babies abusing the 14th amendment.They hollar racism. Then the courts have to deal with it.

9 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Demonizing all immigrants is just silly, uninformed and juvenile.

Not all, it's largely about racism.

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Every in  the USA who is not legally here should be removed immediately like they do in Thailand

Hahaha. How many of the manual labourers from neighboring countries are here illegally? My guess over 1 million.

7 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Not all, it's largely about racism.

You have evidence, to support your claim?

9 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Demonizing all immigrants is just silly,

Of course, but demonizing illegal immigrants is a must, key word being "illegal".

42 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

You have evidence, to support your claim?

yes i do 

 

16 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

yes i do 

 

So can you share it, so it can be assessed or is it secret evidence?

56 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

So can you share it, so it can be assessed or is it secret evidence?

 

My esteamed leader has stated the evidence can't be shared on  a forum infested with righties.

 

Many people say it's  true. 

13 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

 

My esteamed leader has stated the evidence can't be shared on  a forum infested with righties.

 

Many people say it's  true. 

WOW.

I would estimate the opposite, there are more 'lefties', than 'righties' on the forum, but I can't prove it of course, same as you can't.

Saying "Many people say it's  true.", really doesn't mean anything!

 

That being said the fact that you won't share any evidence at all, can only mean one thing?

20 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

WOW.

I would estimate the opposite, there are more 'lefties', than 'righties' on the forum, but I can't prove it of course, same as you can't.

Saying "Many people say it's  true.", really doesn't mean anything!

 

That being said the fact that you won't share any evidence at all, can only mean one thing?

The reason I believe it is because a big strong man came up to me with tears in his eyes and said

"It's about racism".

7 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

You have evidence, to support your claim?

Of course we have evidence, lots and lots of evidence over many many years, in the form of Donald Trump and Stephen Miller's statements on the record. They are both white supremacists disguised as vaguely reasonable men. 

8 hours ago, Old Croc said:

Not all, it's largely about racism.

Not wanting criminals in your house isn't racism.  Neither is sending them home

9 hours ago, Old Croc said:

Hahaha. How many of the manual labourers from neighboring countries are here illegally? My guess over 1 million.

so thats 1 million that need to be got rid of

WATCH: Minnesota Somalis express strong preference for Shariah over U.S. law

https://www.wnd.com/2025/12/watch-minnesota-somalis-express-strong-preference-shariah-u/

 

And one of many reasons why Trump and us MAGA's are totally right on immigration. But of course the left wing zealots have no problem with being under Shariah law. 

22 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

From my own personal point of view some of the hardest working people I know in America are immigrants, many do the kind of work that Americans are unwilling to do, and most do it at wages that Americans have no interest in. It is a nation of immigrants, and immigrants have made America what it is today. Demonizing all immigrants is just silly, uninformed and juvenile. About a third of medical specialists in the US are Asian, and more than half of the surgical nurses in the US are Filipinos. Many are licensed MD's who could not get their credentials in the US. 

 

There's no question that illegal immigration must be limited, but to deny that American industry could not exist without some illegal immigration is to deny reality, as the current quota systems are antiquated, and the current legal immigration system is broken. 

 

Nativist fervor culminated in 1924 with the Immigration Act. Aimed at slowing immigration from undesirable countries, the law capped immigration to 2 percent of a nationality’s U.S. population as of 1890, over 30 years earlier. It proved impossible to unwind Americans’ tangled ancestry, but no matter. The law was used to justify giving the majority of visas to Northern and Western Europeans, while strictly limiting immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe — a change celebrated by the Ku Klux Klan for keeping out Catholics and Jews. The door remained almost entirely closed to people from Asia and Africa.

 

Why would lawmakers choose to reject a promising scientist from Asia while welcoming an illiterate farmer from Germany? Because they conflated race, nation and culture into a set of immutable traits attached to entire countries. The national character was in their “alien blood,” lawmakers said, rendering some nationalities inherently unfit for membership in the United States.

 

If the Trump administration has its way, these assumptions will once again govern U.S. immigration policy. Recently, Stephen Miller, the architect of President Trump’s immigration policy, defended collectively punishing Afghans for the shooting that killed one National Guard member and injured another. “You are not just importing individuals. You are importing societies,” he wrote. “Migrants and their descendants recreate the conditions, and terrors, of their broken homelands.” Mr. Miller would have felt right at home in the 1924 Congress.

 

Every immigrant is individually vetted, and immigration is capped worldwide, but no longer are any nationalities automatically restricted.

America is stronger for it. Nearly half of Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or their children — and many came from countries that were heavily restricted before 1965. Immigrants generally commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans, and Afghans are no exception.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/05/opinion/immigration-restrictions-dc-shooting.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

The left’s delusional fairy tale rhetorical deflections of reality these days is absolutely astounding. Nothing here but a ranting butt hurt lie after lie spew…

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Of course we have evidence, lots and lots of evidence over many many years, in the form of Donald Trump and Stephen Miller's statements on the record. They are both white supremacists disguised as vaguely reasonable men. 

…thanks for reenforcing my point with another dead-end pointless know nothing rhetorical deflections which seems to be the left’s side effects of Trump’s success.

23 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

From my own personal point of view some of the hardest working people I know in America are immigrants, many do the kind of work that Americans are unwilling to do, and most do it at wages that Americans have no interest in. It is a nation of immigrants, and immigrants have made America what it is today. Demonizing all immigrants is just silly, uninformed and juvenile. About a third of medical specialists in the US are Asian, and more than half of the surgical nurses in the US are Filipinos. Many are licensed MD's who could not get their credentials in the US. 

 

There's no question that illegal immigration must be limited, but to deny that American industry could not exist without some illegal immigration is to deny reality, as the current quota systems are antiquated, and the current legal immigration system is broken. 

 

Nativist fervor culminated in 1924 with the Immigration Act. Aimed at slowing immigration from undesirable countries, the law capped immigration to 2 percent of a nationality’s U.S. population as of 1890, over 30 years earlier. It proved impossible to unwind Americans’ tangled ancestry, but no matter. The law was used to justify giving the majority of visas to Northern and Western Europeans, while strictly limiting immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe — a change celebrated by the Ku Klux Klan for keeping out Catholics and Jews. The door remained almost entirely closed to people from Asia and Africa.

 

Why would lawmakers choose to reject a promising scientist from Asia while welcoming an illiterate farmer from Germany? Because they conflated race, nation and culture into a set of immutable traits attached to entire countries. The national character was in their “alien blood,” lawmakers said, rendering some nationalities inherently unfit for membership in the United States.

 

If the Trump administration has its way, these assumptions will once again govern U.S. immigration policy. Recently, Stephen Miller, the architect of President Trump’s immigration policy, defended collectively punishing Afghans for the shooting that killed one National Guard member and injured another. “You are not just importing individuals. You are importing societies,” he wrote. “Migrants and their descendants recreate the conditions, and terrors, of their broken homelands.” Mr. Miller would have felt right at home in the 1924 Congress.

 

Every immigrant is individually vetted, and immigration is capped worldwide, but no longer are any nationalities automatically restricted.

America is stronger for it. Nearly half of Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or their children — and many came from countries that were heavily restricted before 1965. Immigrants generally commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans, and Afghans are no exception.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/05/opinion/immigration-restrictions-dc-shooting.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

The United States should embrace open borders for those seeking entry, as this aligns with our values of inclusivity and opportunity. Disagreeing with unrestricted immigration reflects a mindset that can be seen as discriminatory and exclusionary. Embracing diversity strengthens our nation and enriches our society.

Such a stunning level of ignorance. The president’s pursuit of tariffs—with its shifting rationales, arbitrary formulas, and repeated changes to deadlines—exemplifies how the "Trump Turbulence Tax" is disrupting nearly every aspect of the U.S. economy, leading businesses to delay investment and hiring, increasing costs for businesses and consumers, and undermining the faith in the rule of law that is the bedrock for ongoing investment in the American economy.

 

8 Ways Trump’s Turbulence Tax Is Costing the Economy - Center for American Progress https://share.google/x7lj3JoP7Z1qqWTbe

 

President Donald Trump has promised not only that America will be “great again” but also that it will be “healthy again,” “wealthy again,” “beautiful again,” and—crucially—“affordable again.” Now, as the country faces persistent inflation, a housing crisis, and rising prices on consumer goods, he claims that affordability is nothing more than a “con job,” an opportunistic buzzword leveraged by a rival party. “The word affordability is a Democrat scam,” he said during a Cabinet meeting on Tuesday.

 

"Immigration has been an important source of employment in manufacturing for some industries, and if you take away some of their labor supply, that's just gives them more incentive to pursue automation and other forms of capital intensive manufacturing," he told CBS MoneyWatch.

 

https://share.google/WpA5cno1eHs8tCDZc

I'm 100% for legal immigration.  I'm 100% against illegal immigration and illegal immigrants should be deported.  It's as simple as that.

4 hours ago, dutch boy said:

WATCH: Minnesota Somalis express strong preference for Shariah over U.S. law

https://www.wnd.com/2025/12/watch-minnesota-somalis-express-strong-preference-shariah-u/

 

And one of many reasons why Trump and us MAGA's are totally right on immigration. But of course the left wing zealots have no problem with being under Shariah law. 

I live in MN and see more bad than good.  Over 50% on welfare.  Tax hikes every year.  A lot of fraud.  I suspect politicians and officials getting tea money.

9 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

You have evidence, to support your claim?

 

There is a lot. 

 

Starting with people outside then cabinet, but funded by the President, and largely responsible for getting him elected.

 

Laura Loomer, one of the founding members of the Veritas Foundation, which was funded by the Donald J Trump Foundation, and which played a big role in his election both times.. She describes her self as a White Nationalist, and is unapologetic for that. Some people might say White Nationalists are not racists. That's not the view I take. I don't know if you agree with that position. While she is outside of government, she has claimed credit for key decisions, such as sacking national security advisors. Now racists are allowed a sense of humour. Her sense of humour (we hope it was a joke) meant that when the Florida Immigration Centre (camp) was opened she joked:

 

Quote

Alligator lives matter. The good news is, alligators are guaranteed at least 65 million meals if we get started now.

 

If you found yourself chuckling at that, give your head a wobble. 

 

65 million. 65 million is either the number of hispanics (including US born) in the US. 65 million is also about the number of foreign born American citizens combined with the estimated number of illegal immigrants. You decide which group she was referring to. Most think she was referring to anyone of Hispanic ancestry.

 

She is referring to the threat of alligators finishing off anyone escaping from the camp, but then she said "if we get started now". What, feeding  people to alligators. And this is a joke? Essentially a Final Solution for Hispanics. And she's a Jewess.

 

But maybe you will discount her, because although she is a racist influencing decision makers in government, she's not in government.

 

Stephen Miller; examine his speeches and support for the Great Replacement Theory (the idea that reproduction by brown people will cause white people to go extinct. Racist fruitloop stuff. But fully expecting someone on this forum to explain its not racist, and thaht they believe in it). He writes polcy.

 

One of the policy pieces he has developed is the National Security Strategy. This is a document dripping with racism. 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/2025-National-Security-Strategy.pdf

 

It equates civilisation with race. I am British. I have always identified as British. Like most British people , I am about 60% Anglo Saxon and 40% Irish Celtic.

 

But the Pritani people are reduced to a rump, mostly in Wales, after successive invasions. First the Romans, who changed the British into Romano-British. The Romans didn't mix much, because there is no Roman DNA left in the population. The Immigrants  changed the British, but the British changed the immigrants, because many of these Romans started worshiping British gods. Later on, one of them would push very hard for everyone to worship the god of a bloke from the modern day Palestine.

 

Then the Romans <deleted> off, as a result of continued sackings of Rome by Huns and Vandals.

 

A period of disintegration followed, the dark ages, with raids by Vikings, who plundered a bit, raped a bit, let their mark on the culture.

 

Then the Anglo-Saxons; genetically indistinguishable from the Vikings, disappointing anyone who thinks they are descendants of Erik the Red, the rapey Viking. Town names changes. Anything with a "ton" is an Anglo Saxon immigrant town. We had the West Saxon of Wessex, the East Saxons of Essex, the North Folk (Volk) of Norfolk, and the South Folk of Suffolk. A foreign immigrant culture, not Western (Western being Greco-Romano), was predominating.

 

Then the Normans came; Frenchmen of Norse origin. So French names appeared. Over the following centuries, Empire followed. Europeans started eating potatoes from South America, smoking tobacco from Mexico. Trade with China lead a nation of coffee drinkers to become tea drinkers, leading to a new country, the United States, arising as a result of Chinese influence of so called Western Civilisation (Boston tea Party would have been the Boston Coffee Party if not for heroin-addled Chinese). When Robert Clive went to India, the British became curry eaters. When  Portugeuse Jews fled the Inquisition, we started eating and loving their fish and chips. When Russian Jews  arrived in the 19th century, we found their pickled cucumbers went rather well with the fish (leading to a jar of Wallies on the counter of any proper fish and chip shop). When African slaves were sent to work the plantations of Jamaica, they were told the Mother Country was Britain. Little wonder their descendants considered themselves British.

 

And you can repeat the story in every European country. Its a complete fiction, dreamt of by thickos, to suggest there is a single "European civilisation" . There is no such thing as Western Identity. I have <deleted> all to do with a Greek, and vice versa. There is a British identity, a Greek identity, a French identity and so forth. the British identity is expressed through descendants of rapey invading immigrants calling theselves British. Identity constantly evolves and changes.

 

Its a racist selfish document. If you think its not racist, then, ergo, you are a racist. Racists very rarely call themselves as racist, They come up with some mealymouthed term instead, like White Nationalist. There are plenty of racists on this forum. Not sure why. Perhaps because its full of pathetic individuals running away from failed marriages and broken families into the arms of a pox-ridden prostitute.

 

Charlie Chaplin's utopian and ab libbed view of the world. Still relevant after 85 years. Look out for the Double Cross Party.

 

https://youtu.be/w8HdOHrc3OQ?si=wJPc5GI5PGVXONWT

 

9 hours ago, nick supreme said:

The United States should embrace open borders for those seeking entry, as this aligns with our values of inclusivity and opportunity. Disagreeing with unrestricted immigration reflects a mindset that can be seen as discriminatory and exclusionary. Embracing diversity strengthens our nation and enriches our society.

If that is sarcasm....then bravo..good one, made me smile!!😅

 

If not and you are serious, which i half think you are, then......

 

Open borders undermine national sovereignty, strain resources like housing and welfare (already overburdened), and invite security risks without vetting—it's not discriminatory to prioritize citizens' safety and economic stability. Diversity can thrive under controlled immigration, not chaos.!

On 12/6/2025 at 5:58 AM, Yagoda said:

Every in  the USA who is not legally here should be removed immediately like they do in Thailand

Like those on dodgy ’Genius Visas’?

15 hours ago, Slowhand225 said:

Not wanting criminals in your house isn't racism.  Neither is sending them home

Except:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/26/immigrants-criminal-record-ice-detention

On 12/6/2025 at 6:08 AM, SunnyinBangrak said:

Why oh why do leftists keep intentiinally conflating legal and illegal migration to make false points? Can they really be that dense?

 

I used to think 007  knew better than to go completely off the wall with trump hatred. 

 

The US is so screwed up from 20 plus years of completely insane and unfair bought and paid for by people who are corrupt and self- serving .

 

that is reality.   even the "middle class"  can hardly survive ( inflation and health care and property tax bankrupting millions... and retirees really suffering .  There has been only corrupt govt which includes BOTH parties.

 

It will take an immense effort to turn things around.   Give trump a chance..... it is a LONG and DIFFICULT  task to weed out all the filth from the last 20 to 39 years.  

 

15 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Of course we have evidence, lots and lots of evidence over many many years, in the form of Donald Trump and Stephen Miller's statements on the record. They are both white supremacists disguised as vaguely reasonable men. 

Absolute nonsense.

Labeling Trump and Miller "white supremacists" is lazy hyperbole, not evidence.

Trump's policies targeted illegal immigration and security threats, not race—echoed by diverse supporters.

Miller, a Jewish American, pushed merit-based reforms, hardly fitting the anti-Semitic white supremacist mold. Real racism needs facts, not partisan smears.

14 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

If that is sarcasm....then bravo..good one, made me smile!!😅

 

If not and you are serious, which i half think you are, then......

 

Open borders undermine national sovereignty, strain resources like housing and welfare (already overburdened), and invite security risks without vetting—it's not discriminatory to prioritize citizens' safety and economic stability. Diversity can thrive under controlled immigration, not chaos.!

 

these people are serious !   That is the problem !