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Trump Warns Zelensky: Nothing Moves Without My Approval First

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40 minutes ago, Woke to Sounds said:

Zels was a comedian on a Ukrainian TV show.

 

Trumpsky was a reality TV show actor.

 

All you need to know.

 

You'll thank the Wokester later.

 

👊

You missed the third part of the triumvirate. Putin was a KGB officer, a product of the Soviet Union, chased out of East Germany when it collapsed. 

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19 minutes ago, connda said:

Because this was always about NATO inexorable moving Eastward to put NATO troops right on Russia's border.  Ukraine was nothing other than a proxy for NATO as the NATO countries funded militarizing Ukraine to repress the ethnic Russia populations in the Donbass and to physically threaten Russia's sovereign borders.  The US would never allow a Russian-Cuban or Russian-Mexican military alliance on the borders of the US.  Trump has crowned himself King of the Western World, therefore he's larping that somehow the US is a neutral nation in the conflict when it is actually a co-belligerent. So Trump has taken the helm so that he can put another feather in his "I'm a peace-maker, give me the Nobel Prize" hat if Russia capitulates and agrees to a ceasefire.  But that won't happen.  I fully expect Trump to soon be having a tirade that "Russia refuses the Ukraine peace plan" which would essentially be a document that states that Russia capitulates to whatever plan Trump personally endorses.  Russia will never accept anything other than a Ukraine as a demilitarized, neutral country with no NATO presence at all. Shy of that, Russia continues its attrition war and moves toward the Dnieper River and possibly Odessa.

Oh, I suppose that is why Russia launched the invasion? 😀

1 hour ago, transam said:

If push comes to shove, Trump will bottle it, OK with fibreglass boats and threats to his neighbours and allies...😒

Of course Sir Kier would never bottle it. Note how completely irrelevsnt your beta UK prime minister is on the world stage. Hes a complete clown. Trump is the Alpha male they all want attention from. 

Good luck delivering peace mr Trump. Sadly the left seem to prefer MAD than to see you suceed and end ANOTHER war.

The best thing the European powers can do is to seriously upgrade and scale-up their defence capabilities and become a proper military player that is taken seriously... not just relying on the UK and France's nuclear umbrella. By doing this then Europe gains many leverage benefits, including going their own way on foreign policy, peace through strength as few will want to mess with it if it is militarily and economically strong (which the later of the two it already is), and also Europe can shrug its shoulders and not have to listen to the US if it doesn't like what it is hearing... be an equal player that holds lots of cards too. The European tech is up there with the best, trouble is, this will take a major shift in political thinking and the realisation that social problems and taxing everyone out of existence are not the only things that are important... a lot of investment is needed in not just military gear, but also satellites and targeting/monitoring tech etc. To be fair, France does better than the rest of Europe by relying as little on the US as possible... but needs to go further really.

The world is becoming more unstable and dangerous by the day and many governments are not moving fast enough to counter it... the bad actors will always take advantage where possible, as the only thing they respect is strength and resolve, otherwise you are viewed as weak and there to be take advantage of, or coerced into things.

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28 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Total GARBAGE.

It wasn't about NATO.

Putin invading Ukraine resulted in Sweden and Finland joining NATO.

It's about Putin's ideology that there is no future to his vision of Russian empire without specifically erasing Ukraine as a sovereign nation.

At this point because Putin failed so miserably in accomplishing that the first week, after over a million Russian deaths, it's about his own personal and regime survival. 

Putin's troops are eating each other.
Putin's troops have been halted by Ukrainian superior forces.
Putin's running out of washing machines to build his missiles.
Putin's send Russian wolves into Finland to poach reindeer and drag them back to the staving Russia troops.

Putin plans to invade Europe!!! 

:biggrin: ok

14 minutes ago, JAG said:

Oh, I suppose that is why Russia launched the invasion? 😀

No no no no no. He launch the invasion in order to conquer Europe for the new CCCP.  :thumbsup:

5 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

The world is becoming more unstable and dangerous by the day

The violence of war and retaliation and the waste of money which could be used for people won't solve that by a hair.

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

The EU doesn't want the war to stop. They see it as the longer it continues the weaker Russia gets.

By saying EU, who do you mean in particular? Greece?

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1 hour ago, JAG said:

I am rather at a loss as to why all hangs upon approval by Trump;

It's simple. He so desperately wants his Nobel peace price!!!

But now, since the bombings on Iran, and attacks on Venezuela, he'll forever be known as the war president. Fat chance of the peace price.

 

Biggest bully on the planet and still bullying...

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10 minutes ago, connda said:

Putin's troops are eating each other.
Putin's troops have been halted by Ukrainian superior forces.
Putin's running out of washing machines to build his missiles.
Putin's send Russian wolves into Finland to poach reindeer and drag them back to the staving Russia troops.

Putin plans to invade Europe!!! 

:biggrin: ok

Putin is already at war with Europe. 

Anyone that doesn't see that is blind.

There are different kinds of war actions other than conventional military attack and he has engaged most of them already for many years already.

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Putin is already at war with Europe. 

Anyone that doesn't see that is blind.

There are different kinds of war actions other than conventional military attack and he has engaged most of them already for many years already.

 

Agreed that’s why Russia is mapping all the undersea data and energy cables and pipelines around the coasts of Europe

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52 minutes ago, connda said:

Because this was always about NATO inexorable moving Eastward to put NATO troops right on Russia's border.  Ukraine was nothing other than a proxy for NATO as the NATO countries funded militarizing Ukraine to repress the ethnic Russia populations in the Donbass and to physically threaten Russia's sovereign borders.  The US would never allow a Russian-Cuban or Russian-Mexican military alliance on the borders of the US.  Trump has crowned himself King of the Western World, therefore he's larping that somehow the US is a neutral nation in the conflict when it is actually a co-belligerent. So Trump has taken the helm so that he can put another feather in his "I'm a peace-maker, give me the Nobel Prize" hat if Russia capitulates and agrees to a ceasefire.  But that won't happen.  I fully expect Trump to soon be having a tirade that "Russia refuses the Ukraine peace plan" which would essentially be a document that states that Russia capitulates to whatever plan Trump personally endorses.  Russia will never accept anything other than a Ukraine as a demilitarized, neutral country with no NATO presence at all. Shy of that, Russia continues its attrition war and moves toward the Dnieper River and possibly Odessa.


Your argument fails on chronology.

There was no active NATO issue in Ukraine before 2014.

Ukraine was officially non-aligned.
Public support for NATO membership sat around 15–25%.
There were no NATO troops, bases, or missiles in Ukraine.

The Maidan protests (2013–2014) were driven by popular support for closer EU integration for economic and governance reasons — trade access, jobs, and rule-of-law reforms — after Yanukovych abandoned the EU association path under Russian pressure. They were not about NATO.

In 2014, Russia annexed Crimea and destabilised Donbas.

Only after that did Ukrainian public opinion swing decisively toward NATO.

Cause → effect.
Not the other way around.

The Cuba analogy collapses for a basic reason:
Cuba hosted foreign nuclear missiles.
Ukraine hosted none — no NATO bases, no missiles, no troops.

There is no symmetry and no moral equivalence.

As for claims of ‘ethnic Russian repression’, OSCE contemporaneous monitoring before 2014 found no systematic persecution that could justify invasion. That narrative appears after Russian forces crossed the border, not before.

This wasn’t NATO ‘moving east’.
It was Russia moving west — and then backfilling a justification.

Timelines matter.
Ignoring them isn’t analysis. It’s propaganda.

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Everyone who thinks they know what's going on in Ukraine and why Russia has done what it has done, and doesn't really want peace, are often mistaken. Why? I'll tell you what Putin and the Kremlin wants and why he wants it.

Putin wants to control the 7 geographical access points with natural barriers to the Russian steppes/interior. These are basically anywhere you can drive a division of tanks or an army through. During the Soviet Union's time, they controlled all of them and Russia felt secure, as historically, invasion has always come through these places... both land and maritime places. These places basically include the following... Baltic Sea (St. Petersburg), Black Sea (Straits, Crimea/Sevastopol), Caucasus Mountains (coastal routes), and gateways through Eastern Europe like Poland, the Carpathians, and the Danube Basin (Hungary/Slovakia). When you understand this, then you can see why Kaliningrad, Crimea, Chechnya, Transnistria, Moldova, the Suwalki Gap etc. are so important to the Kremlin and have been on the wrong end of the tension/military aggression... it wants them back so it can park a few Russian divisions in each and they get their security back, as the surrounding geography is mostly not helpful to invasion from the West.

Ukraine is simply in the way and needs to be absorbed to gain access to what's on the other side of it. Look at the geography and you will see these spots and the surrounding mountains/barriers that would be a good defensive position. This is why the Kremlin whinges about Nato eastern expansion... when, in reality, it's these nations wanting to secure themselves because they know what it's like when Russia controls your country, and the oppression and death that is part of the parcel. Can't blame them really. 

People often say "Why now?" Well, the answer to that is that Russia is experiencing a demographic collapse, like many places are, and it's a case of now or never, as their youth population is plummeting... and now it's worse due to the losses it has taken in Ukraine, which was only supposed to last 3 days because of the so-called pan-slavic unity, which is a myth now, and it was all a massive intel failure by the FSB.

 

 

1 hour ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

I am still always amazed that some people believe whatever spin the media puts out on a story about Trump.

Trump and his team are acting in the role of third party negotiators - Russia and Uklraine have refused to meet and negotiate directly again. The Trump Team gets Russia to give a 'peace plan' and they talk about what they are demanding.  Now they are getting Ukraine to give their 'peace plan' and they will talk about what they are demanding.  They then meet separately with each side and give them the other side's 'plans' as an intermediator.  There is still a lot of back and forth to go before Ukraine/EU and Russia will (if ever) agree on a peace plan.

 

Russia is in a far stronger position than Ukraine and is slowly gaining territory every day/week.  Europe is running out of support and money for Ukraine - as is USA - and I am sure Trump's will be telling Zelensky he should back off on his over the top demands - like Crimea and Donbas staying with Ukraine.  But in the end, Trump can only try to find common ground between them and suggest Zelensky backs down - it is up to Zelensky.  One thing I think Trump might raise is that if Zelensky does not hold an election soon, then the USA will withdraw financial support because the People of Ukraine seem not to support the war continuing.

 

Ukrainian Support for War Effort Collapses

https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx

Most Ukrainians now favor ending the war with Russia through negotiations, as support for fighting until victory has dropped sharply since the early days of the conflict.

 

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/ukrainians-ready-to-end-war/

A new Gallup study indicates that most Ukrainians want the war with Russia to end. After more than two years of fighting, 52% of those polled indicated that they would prefer a negotiated peace rather than continuing to fight.

Of the majority who supported a negotiated end, 52% agreed that “Ukraine should be open to making some territorial concessions as a part of a peace deal to end the war.” 

 

The hardliners in Ukraine (call them what you will) want the war to continue until all lands, including Crimea, are returned to Ukraine.  That will never change as they are strongly vested in the status quo having bet their country's future on EU and NATO supporting them to victory. While support inside Ukraine was strong for the hard line approach when the war started, the majority are now accepting the reality of what the war has done to the country, and the current state of the conflict which is getting worse for them, and the decreasing EU/NATO support. 

 

Winter is here in Europe and the time has come for Zelensky to do what is right for his People, before things get much worse.  Russia is getting stronger and as shown by the recent backflip by EU after announcing they were going to take all the interest earned from the ceased Russian Assets in Europe (after Russia said if they did that, they would seize all European assets in Russia), the EU support is dwindling and they are running out of money.  If the end game peace plan was acceptable to Russia, then they would probably be OK with the ceased interest being used to rebuild Western Ukraine.

So only around 25% of Ukrainian (52% of 52%) think that “Ukraine should be open to making some territorial concessions as a part of a peace deal to end the war.” 🙂

42 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Of course Sir Kier would never bottle it. Note how completely irrelevsnt your beta UK prime minister is on the world stage. Hes a complete clown. Trump is the Alpha male they all want attention from. 

Good luck delivering peace mr Trump. Sadly the left seem to prefer MAD than to see you suceed and end ANOTHER war.

Starmer has just given Ukraine a very special weapon, have you not heard, but, this thread is not about Starmer, now is it...........😃

Trump is a shop changing room pussy fiddler, a felon, a liar, a B.S.-er, if that is your thing, great....😉

 

Trump is looking for a peace to protect his chum Putin, the rest are looking for peace and sending an invading murderer back where he belongs, back to his make-believe Commie country.....🤫

24 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

Everyone who thinks they know what's going on in Ukraine and why Russia has done what it has done, and doesn't really want peace, are often mistaken. Why? I'll tell you what Putin and the Kremlin wants and why he wants it.

Putin wants to control the 7 geographical access points with natural barriers to the Russian steppes/interior. These are basically anywhere you can drive a division of tanks or an army through. During the Soviet Union's time, they controlled all of them and Russia felt secure, as historically, invasion has always come through these places... both land and maritime places. These places basically include the following... Baltic Sea (St. Petersburg), Black Sea (Straits, Crimea/Sevastopol), Caucasus Mountains (coastal routes), and gateways through Eastern Europe like Poland, the Carpathians, and the Danube Basin (Hungary/Slovakia). When you understand this, then you can see why Kaliningrad, Crimea, Chechnya, Transnistria, Moldova, the Suwalki Gap etc. are so important to the Kremlin and have been on the wrong end of the tension/military aggression... it wants them back so it can park a few Russian divisions in each and they get their security back, as the surrounding geography is mostly not helpful to invasion from the West.

Ukraine is simply in the way and needs to be absorbed to gain access to what's on the other side of it. Look at the geography and you will see these spots and the surrounding mountains/barriers that would be a good defensive position. This is why the Kremlin whinges about Nato eastern expansion... when, in reality, it's these nations wanting to secure themselves because they know what it's like when Russia controls your country, and the oppression and death that is part of the parcel. Can't blame them really. 

People often say "Why now?" Well, the answer to that is that Russia is experiencing a demographic collapse, like many places are, and it's a case of now or never, as their youth population in plummeting... and now it's worse due to the losses it has taken in Ukraine, which was only supposed to last 3 days because of the so-called pan-slavic unity, which is a myth now, and it was all a massive intel failure by the FSB.

 

 

On top of it, no one ever intended to invade Russia (at least not through the European border)......

56 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Of course Sir Kier would never bottle it. Note how completely irrelevsnt your beta UK prime minister is on the world stage. Hes a complete clown. Trump is the Alpha male they all want attention from. 

Good luck delivering peace mr Trump. Sadly the left seem to prefer MAD than to see you suceed and end ANOTHER war.

Bone spurred Alpha male, please! 🤣

6 minutes ago, candide said:

On top of it, no one ever intended to invade Russia (at least not through the European border)......

That's true because Nato is a defensive alliance and is of no interest to the EU or European countries in that fashion... countries just want protection from Russian imperialism. The Russians are paranoid, brutal, and expansionist... there is a famous scene on Russian TV when Putin asks a Russian kid where the Russian borders are... kid replies with current reality, and Putin then smiles and says "Russia has no borders", which says it all. 

Whilst your statement is correct, the Kremlin psychy doesn't accept it and needs an international bad guy, so as to peddle it's lies to the Russian people for controlling reasons... nothing new there, most places have the propaganda bad guy that it shoves down the throats of its populace for political reasons. 

Nato poses no threat to Russia other than it's imperial ambitions... which annoys the Kremlin. Nato is a democratic defensive alliance that countries are free to join if they so wish and meet the entry requirements. The last thing Nato wants to do is invade Russia, just stupid to even think that... other fish to fry really. Russia will collapse from within, like many empire/countries do, and doesn't need our help to achieve that.

but EU can claim the moral high ground because co2 emissions 

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I posted some time ago that with each peace agreement rejected the situation for Ukraine will only get worse. I also posted that Huliaipole will soon be taken (not a guess @transam) and that Siversk, Pokrovsk and Myrohrad are also gone. The battle for Zaporizhzhia will comence next year. I said 6-12 months but it might be sooner than 6 months. Huliaipole can be supplied by rail so this will be a very strategically important hub. 

I just came across this on YouTube. This guy is very pro-Ukrainian. Interesting point at the end about the peace plan/referendum/territory.

 

 

4 hours ago, dinsdale said:

The EU doesn't want the war to stop. They see it as the longer it continues the weaker Russia gets.

Let me put this another way. The EU wants a Ukrainian victory along with the weakening of the Russian state. Ukraine victory does not seem possible. If anyone thinks it is please explain how.

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Let me put this another way. The EU wants a Ukrainian victory along with the weakening of the Russian state. Ukraine victory does not seem possible. If anyone thinks it is please explain how.

Trump put pressure on Putin instead of Zelinsky.

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:wink:

13 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Let me put this another way. The EU wants a Ukrainian victory along with the weakening of the Russian state. Ukraine victory does not seem possible. If anyone thinks it is please explain how.

do as he's doing in Venezuela, block shipping of oil and gas thus stopping the funding of Putin's war, put pressure on Putin instead of Zelensky and the USA to stop imports from Russia, that would be a good start but all your mumbling about this and that, the EU, the Ukraine, etc but you never mention the USA financing Putin's war, why's that??? I am helping you to change your narrative

U.S. Imports From Russia Hit $2.1 Billion this year

https://eurasiabusinessnews.com/2025/07/15/u-s-imports-from-russia-hit-2-1-billion-this-year/

 

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13 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

do as he's doing in Venezuela, block shipping of oil and gas thus stopping the funding of Putin's war, put pressure on Putin instead of Zelensky and the USA to stop imports from Russia, that would be a good start but all your mumbling about this and that, the EU, the Ukraine, etc but you never mention the USA financing Putin's war, why's that??? I am helping you to change your narrative

U.S. Imports From Russia Hit $2.1 Billion this year

https://eurasiabusinessnews.com/2025/07/15/u-s-imports-from-russia-hit-2-1-billion-this-year/

 

Yep US is big on Russian uranium. EU is big on Russian energy. Global politics and ecomomics sure is a strange beast. Both are inderectly funding Putin's war effort.  As for a naval blockade using US ships this simply won't happen.. Trump is not going to put troops on the ground or on the ocean to bring an end to this war.

6 hours ago, transam said:

Tell Trump to p_ss off, he's balls'd up enough already.......😬

We wish...unfortunately like it or lump it this unstable person has infinite power at his disposal. Grind our teeth though we may he and that power cannot be ignored.

My heart genuinely goes out to Zelensky and the constant insults he endures from Trump and his gang but he has to keep trying.

3 hours ago, mordothailand said:

but EU can claim the moral high ground because co2 emissions 

By saying EU, by any chance you mean Bulgaria?

4 hours ago, JAG said:

Oh, I suppose that is why Russia launched the invasion? 😀

Thinking on, it was purely self defence. A slavic version of the old doctrine " we had to destroy the village in order to save it"! That of course and the grave threat posed by the NAZI groups in Ukraine, nothing to do with wanting Crimea for the Black Sea fleet ( which is now largely sunk) and the Donbass coalmines and industries which have been shelled to blazes.

 

Those aims haven't really worked out have they, the fleet is sunk, the industry destroyed, Ukraine is much closer politically and militarily to Eorope than it was, the Baltic states have now been bolstered through NATO, Sweden and Finland are no longer neutral and over a million Russians have been fed into a meat grinder for limited gains, and of course the much vaunted impressive Russian stockpiles of ( largely obsolete) armour and airpower have been to all intents expended.

 

Europe now knows exactly what Russia can and can't do, how effective it's equipment is and how competent it's forces are, and is preparing accordingly. It is renewing it's capacity to rearm, has regained and further practised it's ability to work as an alliance. It's efforts to train bolster and equip the Ukraine armed forces has given it (and perhaps this is not that widely understood) the capacity to rapidly expand and train it's own armies, experience and motivation it lacked before it got involved with helping Ukraine. It has learned from Ukraine the value of "fighting agile" and is reviewing and rewriting much military doctrine to that purpose.

 

All in all, a major success for Putin's Russia in terms of strategic statecraft wouldn't you say?

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