Trump Warns Zelensky ahead of their expected meeting in the US this weekend,  that his peace plan is meaningless without Trump’s sign-off.

 

Donald Trump issued a stark message to Volodymyr Zelensky ahead of their expected meeting in the US this weekend, warning the Ukrainian president that his peace plan is meaningless without Trump’s sign-off. Speaking to Politico, the US president said of Zelensky’s 20-point proposal to end the war: “He doesn’t have anything until I approve it.” Trump added, “So we’ll see what he’s got,” while still insisting he expects the talks to “go good.”

 

Zelensky said his plan is “90 percent ready,” and will focus on security guarantees, the future of Russian-occupied Donbas, and control of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant. He also suggested the agreement would ultimately involve Ukraine, the US, Russia, and Europe.

 

Trump, meanwhile, hinted he plans to speak with Vladimir Putin “soon,” saying he also expects those conversations to “go good.” The two leaders have reportedly spoken several times in recent months, and last met in person in Alaska in August—talks that were billed as a potential breakthrough but delivered no visible progress or ceasefire.

 

Despite the upbeat language, Trump’s latest comments underline the power dynamic heading into the Florida talks. With Ukraine still resisting Russia’s invasion nearly three years on, Kyiv is pushing hard for binding security guarantees and a path to restoring control over its territory. Trump has avoided publicly endorsing Zelensky’s peace outline and is clearly signaling that any resolution must pass through him first.

 

Zelensky acknowledged the complexity of the negotiations but insisted Ukraine must keep pushing: “It is not easy… but nevertheless we must bring the desired result closer with each such meeting, each such conversation.”

 

Key Takeaways

• Trump tells Zelensky his peace plan is meaningless without Trump’s approval.

• Zelensky says a 20-point agreement is “90% ready,” focused on security and territory.

• Trump also plans further talks with Vladimir Putin, claiming they will “go good.”

 

Source: Express

 

 

 

Trump's approval or Putin's approval....? 🙂

11 minutes ago, candide said:

Trump's approval or Putin's approval....? 🙂

It needs Zelesnkyy and Putin' to sign off on it. Can this happen without Trump? Doubt it. The EU won't even talk to Putin. Doesn't matter it's all academic as Putin will not agree to a ceasefire where the frontline now is or Zelenskyy's idea of not joining NATO but having an Article 5 type agreement built in.

Tell Trump to p_ss off, he's balls'd up enough already.......😬

I am rather at a loss as to why all hangs upon approval by Trump; actually no, I am not!

 

Ukraine was attacked by Russia.  It has been defending itself, supported by European nations, with whom it identifies and who identify with it. The USA has also been supporting Ukraine, albeit in a typically transactional way, and of late in an increasingly lukewarm manner.

 

A real prospect of a negotiated armistice may be emerging.  Trump seems to want to impose his own stamp. A cynic may suspect that he is worried that he will not get the credit he wishes, and perhaps (and more darkly) losing out on the opportunities for profit for himself and his cronies; there is an awful lot of money available, much held by Europe, to be spent (and perhaps profited from) in rebuilding Ukraine. The process may not be as transactional as he may wish. A recovering Ukraine looking towards Europe and not beholden to his US regime would perhaps not be welcome. As ever, follow the money, Messrs Witkoff and Trunp Junior do!

he keeps threatening Zelensky if he doesn't make a deal but I don't see him threatening Putin if he doesn't accept a deal, why is it one way traffic with the senile old man, it's more than obvious he's Krasnov, a Russian agent, and he's not trying to hide it

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

But tragically Trump still holds significant leverage largely because Europe has not been unified enough or prepared enough for the possibilty now the reality that the U.S. would go rogue in this way.

The EU doesn't want the war to stop. They see it as the longer it continues the weaker Russia gets.

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

The EU doesn't want the war to stop. They see it as the longer it continues the weaker Russia gets.

Oh, dear................

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

he keeps threatening Zelensky if he doesn't make a deal but I don't see him threatening Putin if he doesn't accept a deal, why is it one way traffic with the senile old man, it's more than obvious he's Krasnov, a Russian agent, and he's not trying to hide it

Thing is what can Trump threaten Putin with? Any ideas?

Just now, dinsdale said:

Thing is what can Trump threaten Putin with? Any ideas?

You tell us, you guess everything............😬

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Thing is what can Trump threaten Putin with? Any ideas?

as he promised in so many occasions, sanctions and so forth and you know it, you are just (as usual) trying to divert

Just now, transam said:

You tell us, you guess everything............😬

I asked the question. As for your continual "guess everything" it appears my "guesses" have been pretty accurate. Your only contribution has been your usual puerile comments + emoji. Let me state again this new "peace plan" will not be accepted by Putin and two of the main reasons will be as I pointed out above no ceasefire at current frontline positions and no backdoor article 5.

 

Zels was a comedian on a Ukrainian TV show.

 

Trumpsky was a reality TV show actor.

 

All you need to know.

 

You'll thank the Wokester later.

 

👊

8 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Thing is what can Trump threaten Putin with? Any ideas?

 

Melania

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

I asked the question. As for your continual "guess everything" it appears my "guesses" have been pretty accurate. Your only contribution has been your usual puerile comments + emoji. Let me state again this new "peace plan" will not be accepted by Putin and two of the main reasons will be as I pointed out above no ceasefire at current frontline positions and no backdoor article 5.

 

OK, a guess.............

4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

as he promised in so many occasions, sanctions and so forth and you know it, you are just (as usual) trying to divert

Sanctions haven't worked. As long as the EU, China and India continue to buy gas from Russia the money will keep flowing although the EU is reducing it's dependence. One shouldn't forget that the EU has helped to fund Putin's war.

5 minutes ago, Woke to Sounds said:

Zels was a comedian on a Ukrainian TV show.

 

Trumpsky was a reality TV show actor.

 

All you need to know.

 

You'll thank the Wokester later.

 

👊

 

With a bit of luck the UK can have Billy Connolly as Prime Minister next time.

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Sanctions haven't worked. As long as the EU, China and India continue to buy gas from Russia the money will keep flowing although the EU is reducing it's dependence. One shouldn't forget that the EU has helped to fund Putin's war.

Trump is the thorn in Ukraine's side, Putin is smiling, Zelenskyy and the EU knows Trump is a toe rag......😒

33 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

he keeps threatening Zelensky if he doesn't make a deal but I don't see him threatening Putin if he doesn't accept a deal, why is it one way traffic with the senile old man, it's more than obvious he's Krasnov, a Russian agent, and he's not trying to hide it

Trump loves Putin and Russia.

Trump is compromised by Russians (look at his business history with oligarchs).

Trump hates Zelinskyy and Ukraine.

Trump will never forgive Zelinskyy for not cooperating with him to trash Joe Biden.

Trump is NOT a normal president.

For him, it's all about his PERSONAL relationships and potential personal gains.

He doesn't represent the best interests of the USA.

He represents the best interests of Trump. 

Trump without any doubt is the most corrupt president in American history.

He doesn't even try to hide it.

19 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

The EU doesn't want the war to stop. They see it as the longer it continues the weaker Russia gets.

Garbage.

It's Putin that doesn't want the war to stop unless he can get total surrender.

For Putin it's about both personal and regime survival.

1 minute ago, transam said:

OK, a guess.............

I don't know. Troops are out. Tomahawks maybe but these would be a last throw of the dice and will have little front line influence. Tariffs as I just said up until now have been ineffective and with Russia still exporting the money continues to flow. Naval blockade? Nope. Now how about you contribute something and tell us what you think Trump can do to get both sides to agree. Of course you want because you never contribute anything substantial. Just personal attacks and jibes. Oh! And emojis.

Just now, dinsdale said:

I don't know. Troops are out. Tomahawks maybe but these would be a last throw of the dice and will have little front line influence. Tariffs as I just said up until now have been ineffective and with Russia still exporting the money continues to flow. Naval blockade? Nope. Now how about you contribute something and tell us what you think Trump can do to get both sides to agree. Of course you want because you never contribute anything substantial. Just personal attacks and jibes. Oh! And emojis.

Don't be silly, I don't guess, you carry on...........🤫

 

Personal attacks, where, show me, or stop making things up...............🙄

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Garbage.

It's Putin that doesn't want the war to stop unless he can get total surrender.

For Putin it's about both personal and regime survival.

Putin wants the territory he set out to get. He'll stop at the Dnieper River IMO but may also have his eye on the territory SW of Odessa. Difficult to take but if taken stops Ukraine shipping out of Odessa. I said a long time ago this war will finish on the battlefield not at the negotiating table. I stand by this.

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Don't be silly, I don't guess, you carry on...........🤫

 

Personal attacks, where, show me, or stop making things up...............🙄

 

25 minutes ago, transam said:

You tell us, you guess everything............😬

 

Beta warns Alpha.

 

 

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Putin wants the territory he set out to get. He'll stop at the Dnieper River IMO but may also have his eye on the territory SW of Odessa. Difficult to take but if taken stops Ukraine shipping out of Odessa. I said a long time ago this war will finish on the battlefield not at the negotiating table. I stand by this.

Putin wants to erase Ukraine as a viable sovereign nation. 

His victory is far from inevitable.

57 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

It needs Zelesnkyy and Putin' to sign off on it. Can this happen without Trump? Doubt it. The EU won't even talk to Putin. Doesn't matter it's all academic as Putin will not agree to a ceasefire where the frontline now is or Zelenskyy's idea of not joining NATO but having an Article 5 type agreement built in.

I am still always amazed that some people believe whatever spin the media puts out on a story about Trump.

Trump and his team are acting in the role of third party negotiators - Russia and Uklraine have refused to meet and negotiate directly again. The Trump Team gets Russia to give a 'peace plan' and they talk about what they are demanding.  Now they are getting Ukraine to give their 'peace plan' and they will talk about what they are demanding.  They then meet separately with each side and give them the other side's 'plans' as an intermediator.  There is still a lot of back and forth to go before Ukraine/EU and Russia will (if ever) agree on a peace plan.

 

Russia is in a far stronger position than Ukraine and is slowly gaining territory every day/week.  Europe is running out of support and money for Ukraine - as is USA - and I am sure Trump's will be telling Zelensky he should back off on his over the top demands - like Crimea and Donbas staying with Ukraine.  But in the end, Trump can only try to find common ground between them and suggest Zelensky backs down - it is up to Zelensky.  One thing I think Trump might raise is that if Zelensky does not hold an election soon, then the USA will withdraw financial support because the People of Ukraine seem not to support the war continuing.

 

Ukrainian Support for War Effort Collapses

https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx

Most Ukrainians now favor ending the war with Russia through negotiations, as support for fighting until victory has dropped sharply since the early days of the conflict.

 

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/ukrainians-ready-to-end-war/

A new Gallup study indicates that most Ukrainians want the war with Russia to end. After more than two years of fighting, 52% of those polled indicated that they would prefer a negotiated peace rather than continuing to fight.

Of the majority who supported a negotiated end, 52% agreed that “Ukraine should be open to making some territorial concessions as a part of a peace deal to end the war.” 

 

The hardliners in Ukraine (call them what you will) want the war to continue until all lands, including Crimea, are returned to Ukraine.  That will never change as they are strongly vested in the status quo having bet their country's future on EU and NATO supporting them to victory. While support inside Ukraine was strong for the hard line approach when the war started, the majority are now accepting the reality of what the war has done to the country, and the current state of the conflict which is getting worse for them, and the decreasing EU/NATO support. 

 

Winter is here in Europe and the time has come for Zelensky to do what is right for his People, before things get much worse.  Russia is getting stronger and as shown by the recent backflip by EU after announcing they were going to take all the interest earned from the ceased Russian Assets in Europe (after Russia said if they did that, they would seize all European assets in Russia), the EU support is dwindling and they are running out of money.  If the end game peace plan was acceptable to Russia, then they would probably be OK with the ceased interest being used to rebuild Western Ukraine.

8 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

I am still always amazed that some people believe whatever spin the media puts out on a story about Trump.

Trump and his team are acting in the role of third party negotiators - Russia and Uklraine have refused to meet and negotiate directly again. The Trump Team gets Russia to give a 'peace plan' and they talk about what they are demanding.  Now they are getting Ukraine to give their 'peace plan' and they will talk about what they are demanding.  They then meet separately with each side and give them the other side's 'plans' as an intermediator.  There is still a lot of back and forth to go before Ukraine/EU and Russia will (if ever) agree on a peace plan.

 

Russia is in a far stronger position than Ukraine and is slowly gaining territory every day/week.  Europe is running out of support and money for Ukraine - as is USA - and I am sure Trump's will be telling Zelensky he should back off on his over the top demands - like Crimea and Donbas staying with Ukraine.  But in the end, Trump can only try to find common ground between them and suggest Zelensky backs down - it is up to Zelensky.  One thing I think Trump might raise is that if Zelensky does not hold an election soon, then the USA will withdraw financial support because the People of Ukraine seem not to support the war continuing.

 

Ukrainian Support for War Effort Collapses

https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx

Most Ukrainians now favor ending the war with Russia through negotiations, as support for fighting until victory has dropped sharply since the early days of the conflict.

 

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/ukrainians-ready-to-end-war/

A new Gallup study indicates that most Ukrainians want the war with Russia to end. After more than two years of fighting, 52% of those polled indicated that they would prefer a negotiated peace rather than continuing to fight.

Of the majority who supported a negotiated end, 52% agreed that “Ukraine should be open to making some territorial concessions as a part of a peace deal to end the war.” 

 

The hardliners in Ukraine (call them what you will) want the war to continue until all lands, including Crimea, are returned to Ukraine.  That will never change as they are strongly vested in the status quo having bet their country's future on EU and NATO supporting them to victory. While support inside Ukraine was strong for the hard line approach when the war started, the majority are now accepting the reality of what the war has done to the country, and the current state of the conflict which is getting worse for them, and the decreasing EU/NATO support. 

 

Winter is here in Europe and the time has come for Zelensky to do what is right for his People, before things get much worse.  Russia is getting stronger and as shown by the recent backflip by EU after announcing they were going to take all the interest earned from the ceased Russian Assets in Europe (after Russia said if they did that, they would seize all European assets in Russia), the EU support is dwindling and they are running out of money.  If the end game peace plan was acceptable to Russia, then they would probably be OK with the ceased interest being used to rebuild Western Ukraine.

Didn't even bother reading your maga fascist / Putin talking points in fuil. Seen that all before 100 times.
Just had to read how you intentionally distorted the poll of Ukrainians.

Yes of course they want a negotiated settlement and yes of course they understand that Ukraine won't be able to win back the stolen lands.

But what you left out and that is VERY SLEAZY is the vast majority of Ukrainians do not support SURRENDER of their future viablity as a sovereign nation to not be SLAVES of Russia. What Putin has demanded is exactly that and he has not budged one bit. 

 

1 hour ago, JAG said:

I am rather at a loss as to why all hangs upon approval by Trump

Because this was always about NATO inexorable moving Eastward to put NATO troops right on Russia's border.  Ukraine was nothing other than a proxy for NATO as the NATO countries funded militarizing Ukraine to repress the ethnic Russia populations in the Donbass and to physically threaten Russia's sovereign borders.  The US would never allow a Russian-Cuban or Russian-Mexican military alliance on the borders of the US.  Trump has crowned himself King of the Western World, therefore he's larping that somehow the US is a neutral nation in the conflict when it is actually a co-belligerent. So Trump has taken the helm so that he can put another feather in his "I'm a peace-maker, give me the Nobel Prize" hat if Russia capitulates and agrees to a ceasefire.  But that won't happen.  I fully expect Trump to soon be having a tirade that "Russia refuses the Ukraine peace plan" which would essentially be a document that states that Russia capitulates to whatever plan Trump personally endorses.  Russia will never accept anything other than a Ukraine as a demilitarized, neutral country with no NATO presence at all. Shy of that, Russia continues its attrition war and moves toward the Dnieper River and possibly Odessa.

4 minutes ago, connda said:

Because this was always about NATO inexorable moving Eastward to put NATO troops right on Russia's border.  Ukraine was nothing other than a proxy for NATO as the NATO countries funded militarizing Ukraine to repress the ethnic Russia populations in the Donbass and to physically threaten Russia's sovereign borders.  The US would never allow a Russian-Cuban or Russian-Mexican military alliance on the borders of the US.  Trump has crowned himself King of the Western World, therefore he's larping that somehow the US is a neutral nation in the conflict when it is actually a co-belligerent. So Trump has taken the helm so that he can put another feather in his "I'm a peace-maker, give me the Nobel Prize" hat if Russia capitulates and agrees to a ceasefire.  But that won't happen.  I fully expect Trump to soon be having a tirade that "Russia refuses the Ukraine peace plan" which would essentially be a document that states that Russia capitulates to whatever plan Trump personally endorses.  Russia will never accept anything other than a Ukraine as a demilitarized, neutral country with no NATO presence at all. 

Total GARBAGE.

It wasn't about NATO.

Putin invading Ukraine resulted in Sweden and Finland joining NATO.

It's about Putin's ideology that there is no future to his vision of Russian empire without specifically erasing Ukraine as a sovereign nation.

At this point because Putin failed so miserably in accomplishing that the first week, after over a million Russian deaths, it's about his own personal and regime survival.