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Trump Warns Zelensky: Nothing Moves Without My Approval First

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4 hours ago, LosLobo said:


Your argument fails on chronology.

There was no active NATO issue in Ukraine before 2014.

Ukraine was officially non-aligned.
Public support for NATO membership sat around 15–25%.
There were no NATO troops, bases, or missiles in Ukraine.

The Maidan protests (2013–2014) were driven by popular support for closer EU integration for economic and governance reasons — trade access, jobs, and rule-of-law reforms — after Yanukovych abandoned the EU association path under Russian pressure. They were not about NATO.

In 2014, Russia annexed Crimea and destabilised Donbas.

Only after that did Ukrainian public opinion swing decisively toward NATO.

Cause → effect.
Not the other way around.

The Cuba analogy collapses for a basic reason:
Cuba hosted foreign nuclear missiles.
Ukraine hosted none — no NATO bases, no missiles, no troops.

There is no symmetry and no moral equivalence.

As for claims of ‘ethnic Russian repression’, OSCE contemporaneous monitoring before 2014 found no systematic persecution that could justify invasion. That narrative appears after Russian forces crossed the border, not before.

This wasn’t NATO ‘moving east’.
It was Russia moving west — and then backfilling a justification.

Timelines matter.
Ignoring them isn’t analysis. It’s propaganda.

Propaganda  yes!  And incitement . And interference with objectives. Naivety to the max rules ?

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5 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Thing is what can Trump threaten Putin with? Any ideas?

Well, he could have told Putin that unless he stops killing Christians in Ukraine he will give those Christians Tomahawks to defend themselves.

Instead, he shot those Tomahawks willy-nilly into Nigeria, scaring the BS out of water buffaloes and mystifying the resident Muslims and Christians alike.

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

Well, he could have told Putin that unless he stops killing Christians in Ukraine he will give those Christians Tomahawks to defend themselves.

Instead, he shot those Tomahawks willy-nilly into Nigeria, scaring the BS out of water buffaloes and mystifying the resident Muslims and Christians alike.

What a completely ridiculous statement. BTW the Tomahawks shot into Nigeria to kill Islamist jihad nutters came from where? Ships. The Tomahawk is primarily sea launched. Ukraine lacks this capacity 100% although there are ground launcher systems for the missile.  As it is it seems Ukraine has zero of these. 

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5 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

What a completely ridiculous statement. BTW the Tomahawks shot into Nigeria to kill Islamist jihad nutters came from where? Ships. The Tomahawk is primarily sea launched. Ukraine lacks this capacity 100% although there are ground launcher systems for the missile.  As it is it seems Ukraine has zero of these. 

The Tomahawk is both sea and land launched, and if Ukraine had been allowed to buy them, they would obviously have bought launchers too.

I mean, seriously??😄

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Continued from my previous post....

Putin has managed to turn Ukraine from a sullen, discontent and restless subordinate of Russia, mired in the corruption inherent from it's Soviet past, into a battered yet defiantly pro western European country, determined to stand up for itself, confident in it's own identity and culture and wishing to embrace and strengthen it's democracy to become part of the EU.

 

He has within Europe gone a long way towards persuading many (like myself) who were sceptical and cynical of the EU's attempts to reach into and meddle in the governance of it's members States, to support the EU's new determination to stand up for Europe and for democracy.

 

All in all, he has rather as they say, pulled a blinder!

 

 

34 minutes ago, 0ffshore360 said:

Propaganda  yes!  And incitement . And interference with objectives. Naivety to the max rules ?


Que?

6 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Thing is what can Trump threaten Putin with? Any ideas?

 

100% tariffs on Russia and its remaining trading partners.

Sell or give ( some hope!) Tomahawk Missiles, Patriot Systems and advanced medium-range air-to-air missiles, shorter-range missiles and Howitzer rounds to NATO or Ukraine.

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Garbage.

It's Putin that doesn't want the war to stop unless he can get total surrender.

For Putin it's about both personal and regime survival.

 

Actually its Blackrock that wants the war to continue.

The Russian people need to be made to understand  their country is a **** hole that nobody wants or have anything to with let alone want to invade it.

1 hour ago, BLMFem said:

The Tomahawk is both sea and land launched, and if Ukraine had been allowed to buy them, they would obviously have bought launchers too.

I mean, seriously??😄

As I said previously, primarily sea launched. As I have also said it's the last dice to roll. If ineffective as a weapon to help draw this conflict to an end what's the next weapon of attack?  Trump's not going to send the amount needed and also the amount of ground launchers needed. Apart from that as I have also said before their effectiveness of changing how the battlefield is going will be limited. Huge numbers of these very expensive cruise missiles would be needed. Not going to happen. 

I mean, seriously??😄

Try thinking things through. 

On 12/27/2025 at 8:26 PM, Bannoi said:

The Russian people need to be made to understand  their country is a **** hole that nobody wants or have anything to with let alone want to invade it.

When it comes to countries being ****holes fairly sure Russia isn't the only one on the list. Seems the UK is now a ****hole. Add France to the list. Could keep going but most countries now are going that way if already not there.

On 12/27/2025 at 2:13 PM, JAG said:

You missed the third part of the triumvirate. Putin was a KGB officer, a product of the Soviet Union, chased out of East Germany when it collapsed.

 

No ****?

 

I thought he played a taxi driver.

1 hour ago, Woke to Sounds said:

 

No sh!t?

 

I thought he played a taxi driver.

He was pretty high up in the KGB set up in East Germany (DDR) with inevitably close links with the STAZI ( East German secret police); he apparantly was a close observer of the fall of the communist regime, perhaps that is where he perfected his sullen brooding look? When the Soviet Union dissolved he moonlighted as a taxi driver for a while, until the KGB was reconstituted (I forget exactly what set of initials it used). He was, is, a dyed in the wool secret policeman, certainly no lover of democracy!

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13 hours ago, dinsdale said:

As I said previously, primarily sea launched. As I have also said it's the last dice to roll. If ineffective as a weapon to help draw this conflict to an end what's the next weapon of attack?  Trump's not going to send the amount needed and also the amount of ground launchers needed. Apart from that as I have also said before their effectiveness of changing how the battlefield is going will be limited. Huge numbers of these very expensive cruise missiles would be needed. Not going to happen. 

I mean, seriously??😄

Try thinking things through. 

So your first argument is ' he can't do anything ', when you're shown options your argument is 'he's not going to do enough '. 

21 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Sanctions haven't worked. As long as the EU, China and India continue to buy gas from Russia the money will keep flowing although the EU is reducing it's dependence. One shouldn't forget that the EU has helped to fund Putin's war.

 

America, albeit indirectly, has also been buying refined Russian oil products.

 

https://globalwitness.org/en/campaigns/fossil-fuels/american-purchases-of-laundered-russian-oil-worth-at-least-180-million-to-the-kremlin/

 

More recently.

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-and-europe-do-billions-trade-with-russia-despite-sanctions-2025-09-15/

 

Pot, kettle, etc..

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On 12/27/2025 at 9:23 PM, dinsdale said:

When it comes to countries being ****holes fairly sure Russia isn't the only one on the list. Seems the UK is now a ****hole. Add France to the list. Could keep going but most countries now are going that way if already not there.

 

Good morning, children, are we sitting comfortably? Now let's deflect.

26 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

Good morning, children, are we sitting comfortably? Now let's deflect.

My comment was a response not deflection. On topic the latest "peace plan" will fail as I previously mentioned. It's being said that 90% of will be agreed upon. This means nothing as 10% won't. The war will continue, thousands more will die and the Russians will continue to gain ground. . Again I say this war will end on the battlefield not at the negotiation table.

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

My comment was a response not deflection. On topic the latest "peace plan" will fail as I previously mentioned. It's being said that 90% of will be agreed upon. This means nothing as 10% won't. The war will continue, thousands more will die and the Russians will continue moving west. Again I say this war will end on the battlefield not at the negotiation table.

So calling France and the UK <deleted>holes in a thread about Zelensky and trump is not a deflection?

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So calling France and the UK <deleted>holes in a thread about Zelensky and trump is not a deflection?

As I said it was in response to someone saying Russia is a shthole.

22 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Trump loves Putin and Russia.

Trump is compromised by Russians (look at his business history with oligarchs).

Trump hates Zelinskyy and Ukraine.

Trump will never forgive Zelinskyy for not cooperating with him to trash Joe Biden.

Trump is NOT a normal president.

For him, it's all about his PERSONAL relationships and potential personal gains.

He doesn't represent the best interests of the USA.

He represents the best interests of Trump. 

Trump without any doubt is the most corrupt president in American history.

He doesn't even try to hide it.


As @transam  always quotes “you’re guessing again “

 

Not a single fact in your posts.

11 minutes ago, Rocky Sullivan said:


As @transam  always quotes “you’re guessing again “

 

Not a single fact in your posts.

Good morning Monte, it seems I am established in your very gray cells, eh................😘

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Good morning Monte, it seems I am established in your very gray cells, eh................😘


Good morning Harry Highpants.

 

How many “guessing again”  will you post today when you have no legitimate answer?

 

 

16 hours ago, dinsdale said:

When it comes to countries being shtholes fairly sure Russia isn't the only one on the list. Seems the UK is now a shthole. Add France to the list. Could keep going but most countries now are going that way if already not there.

I'll give that an F+ as lame deflections go.

20 hours ago, BLMFem said:

I'll give that an F+ as lame deflections go.

Again let me point out I was responding to this.

 

On 12/27/2025 at 8:26 PM, Bannoi said:

The Russian people need to be made to understand  their country is a **** hole that nobody wants or have anything to with let alone want to invade it.

Why didn't you call this out for deflection.? Obviously it wouldn't fit your narrative so it gets an A+? Pitiful.

On 12/27/2025 at 1:17 PM, Mavideol said:

he keeps threatening Zelensky if he doesn't make a deal but I don't see him threatening Putin if he doesn't accept a deal, why is it one way traffic with the senile old man, it's more than obvious he's Krasnov, a Russian agent, and he's not trying to hide it

Unfortunately Ukraine has little influence and Trump is not in Zelensky's pocket as is the case with Russia. We don't know what Putin has on Trump, but we know he has significant Kompromat, and he's using it with tremendous skill as his decades of KGB training are coming in very handy with the circus clown. 

 

The secondary factor is that Trump adores dictators, autocrats and despots, so he just seems to have a natural affinity towards Putin anyway. 

 

 

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Putin knows full well what will happen to him if he yields and calls for a ceasefire with all the Russians killed hfor what ???

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

As I have said continuously this war will end on the battlefield. Take your Trump hatred out of the conversation, educate yourself and look at the reality of the situation. Putin will not agree to a ceasefire (why would he when his troops have the ascendency on the battlefield) and will not agree to any type of article 5 clause. IMO Trump will also not agree to an article 5 type clause as this would lock US forces into any future conflict in Ukraine. Putin wants the oblasts, Zylenskyy doesn't want to concede them and the EU wants a Ukraine victory. Russian troops continue to take land and Ukraine's biggest problem on the battlefield remains personnel. This is what's happening. Deny it all you like but eventually you'll have no choice but to accept it. It might not seem fair and just but it's war and war isn't fair and just.

Putin uses the usual Communist routine, send in the cannon fodder, done it now for 4 years, now don't you think that is embarrassing for YOU, I mean, you keep coming on here making out the Russians are doing a terrific job, when they really are not..........?  🤫

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Putin uses the usual Communist routine, send in the cannon fodder, done it now for 4 years, now don't you think that is embarrassing for YOU, I mean, you keep coming on here making out the Russians are doing a terrific job, when they really are not..........?  🤫

Never have I said the Russians are doing a "terrific job". This is simply another example of your puerile comments. I've said the Russians are winning on the battlefield and this is what's happening. Dispute this if you like but try disputing it like an adult. Show me why Russia isn't winning on the battlefield.

24 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Never have I said the Russians are doing a "terrific job". This is simply another example of your puerile comments. I've said the Russians are winning on the battlefield and this is what's happening. Dispute this if you like but try disputing it like an adult. Show me why Russia isn't winning on the battlefield.

Show you something, how about 4 years to find a few Nazis and lose 1,000,000 men on a small portion of Ukraine, and asking for the help of N.Korea...........😂

 

Sunbeam, I have read your Putin support posts for a very long time now, and you're not even Russian.............:clap2:

18 minutes ago, transam said:

Show you something, how about 4 years to find a few Nazis and lose 1,000,000 men on a small portion of Ukraine, and asking for the help of N.Korea...........😂

 

Sunbeam, I have read your Putin support posts for a very long time now, and you're not even Russian.............:clap2:

Nice diversion and up to your usual standard of avoiding the question. Who's winning on the battlefield? This has nothing to do with "cheering" for one side or the other. It's based in reality. Show me one post where I have supported Putin. You can't because I haven't. You just make things up and post them. 

p.s. Awaiting your examples of my support for Putin. 

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