Are Farangs Who Marriages Failed Lucky?

[meemiathai]

I saw this beautiful girl in her twenties today on the street. And when I looked next to her, I thought, <deleted>!! How can she be with this really ugly man?? It must be money!! I mean even if this man was also in his twenties. Sickening! This world stinks!

[ratchabuild]

This thread has been great to read, but I think it misses one defining point.

Hmmm will a western women ever talk to me again.

Thai women look after there men 100 times better than a western women would.

Now most western women may be up in arms over this, but it is a 100% fact. There obvioulsy are a few Thai women who do wrong no different to western women.

In general however Thai girls are miles on front of western women probably slightly over board, but I would feel most guys would agree on this

You may be right and since the guy in LOS to screw are all that count what do you care what women think. I imagine all the old guys talking meeting of minds and 'lurve expertise' (Thanks Viagra) some time down the line in their dotage greeting the flabby falang lecher who has come to romance their daughter. 17 years old and marrying a specimen old enough to be her grandfather I wonder then if all the rationalised crap which enables them to keep their conscience clean and exploit poor uneducated girls will come back to haunt them.

"Daddy dear here's my new husband he says when I am old enough to drink we can go out and blow his pension"..............wow

[ratchabuild]

Well, at least you don't gender discriminate when you slam others. I find it interesting that you claim to be standing up for women and complain about how men do not respect them, but then you have written more degrading comments about Thai women than anyone else in this entire thread.

Do you really think that these young Thai women you refer to are not intelligent enough to make their own choices - that they merely run along mindlessly chasing a carrot on a stick?

While you admit to being willing to do that, if you made some of these insinuations to my Isaan wife, it would be advisable for you to take a step or two back. Not only is she seemingly (judging from your writings) a bit more intelligent than you, she would be very upset indeed if you challenged her decision to be with a man 30-years her senior.

(Oh, what the heck, I wasn't going to bother anymore, but I can't resist this stupid thread any more than anyone else!)

It's funny how I am always careful to qualify my comments by saying "some women", "in some cases", or "some men" -- specifically to account for the fact that I am commenting on the general situation, not one person's specific relationship -- yet you seem too thick to grasp that.

If I say some Thai women are whores -- well, that's a documented fact. I've hardly called your wife a whore. How could I claim to know anything about your particular relationship? If you jump up and say "you called my wife a whore!" -- you've counted yourself among that number, not me. Deal with your own insecurities.

As for Thai women being intelligent enough to choose for themselves -- Thai women are no different than any other human being on earth -- they pick the best choice among those offered to them. Do you doubt that poor people have less choice than rich people? And yes, I am aware that not all Thais are poor. However, the average monthly salary in Thailand is around 7,800B. (Pay attention again, as I am not talking about whatever your wife's salary is in whatever job she has, but the average salary). Those choices hardly preclude love, but one can get an idea of the forces at play by noting that young beautiful women marrying men 30 years their senior are much rarer in the West.

As for your Issan wife (as you call her) being smarter than me -- who knows? If your idea of intelligence is choosing you as a husband, clearly we're unlikely to agree.

Good one, CG. And if I had actually written that, I would agree with you.

If I was too thick to grasp that you qualified your judgments with "some" in most cases, I apologize. And in no way did I imply that you called my wife a whore nor even thought such a thing. How can you put quotes around something that I never wrote? Hmm, or am I detecting a pattern here..?

My 'thickness' continues in that I don't get why you are explaining to us how people everywhere "pick the best choice among those offered to them". Umm, yeah, okay and the sun rises in the morning, not in the evening..

Actually we likely agree on more issues than otherwise. There is, of course, cultural corruption happening everywhere what with the popularity of international travel and tourism and Thailand is certainly not immune nor the only country dealing with this. Yes, fat-walleted (and belly'd) aging farangs come over here and upset the balance a bit just as you would upset the balance a bit if you came over here and took a Thai husband, for whatever reasons you were able to do that. And many of those disgusting fat-walleted (and belly'd) farangs have stories about fat crab-ass wives that they are happy to be away from and are delighted to be in the company of a young Thai prostitute.

Umm, yeah, okay and the sun rises in the morning, not in the evening and that is likely to continue as long as we are able to witness it but what does that have to do with how we choose to live our own lives and govern our own attitudes? There are other things that I am more upset about (Bush, Poodle Blair, the extremist regime in Israel, people who blow themselves up along with hundreds of innocent people, children dying by the millions for the simple lack of clean drinking water, et al.) but I try not to focus too much on those things or the great joy I experience in my life will take a downturn and that is not the direction I choose to take any longer.

And yet, here I am, participating in this ridiculous thread and banging heads with two farang women, when in truth I believe that it is the women and children of this world who are the most likely to pull us out of the nightmares we create for ourselves with our judgments and lack of respect for our own kind.

Dunno, but perhaps I am more worried about you and your seeming anger toward the world than I portray on here and I am more than willing to take back whatever unkind things I have said about/to you and wish you the very best.

Yes, really...

Stop banging on about the sun rising as if you are somehow introducing precision and definition into the topic...........It doesn't rise, just goes to show you can't even define your terms correctly. Your pseudo scientific analysis is exactly that..... pseudo. Its the mark of a patronising man too when you talk of women and children as the saviours of the world. They are like us, we are like them. You dont marry old ladies and why should a woman who is young want an older man? I can accpet that you are a nice guy and no doubt love your wife dearly as she probably loves you, but as a rational man you must concede that the average falang protests too much. None of our wives are hookers, if they were they are all reformed. They all married for love despite their background. We all know lots of bad relationships, perhaps the majority, but its never ours. We concede that the young girls are often out to get what they can, given the inequality they face they have little option but its never our wife always someone else. As long as there's a failure to face facts theres a danger of it all falling apart. When it does its catastrophic. take the blinkers off see what the real dynamics of relations ships between old and young are........security for sex, youth for money. Falang men steal their youth and they take our money for it. Though of course you and I are exceptions.

Edited August 23, 2007 by ratchabuild

[canadiangirl]

You may be right and since the guy in LOS to screw are all that count what do you care what women think. I imagine all the old guys talking meeting of minds and 'lurve expertise' (Thanks Viagra) some time down the line in their dotage greeting the flabby falang lecher who has come to romance their daughter. 17 years old and marrying a specimen old enough to be her grandfather I wonder then if all the rationalised crap which enables them to keep their conscience clean and exploit poor uneducated girls will come back to haunt them.

"Daddy dear here's my new husband he says when I am old enough to drink we can go out and blow his pension"..............wow

Good way to put it, rachabuild. What would you think if a 58 year old man turned up at the door for a date with your 18 year old daughter?

[ratchabuild]

This thread has been great to read, but I think it misses one defining point.

Hmmm will a western women ever talk to me again.

Thai women look after there men 100 times better than a western women would.

Now most western women may be up in arms over this, but it is a 100% fact. There obvioulsy are a few Thai women who do wrong no different to western women.

In general however Thai girls are miles on front of western women probably slightly over board, but I would feel most guys would agree on this

Thai women - that I have known - cook, clean, iron, bring a cold beer, take you to the shower and scrub your feet and generally care about their man. If a Thai woman profits from doing so, so what? It is good to have a woman who care and yes they are miles ahead of your average bra-burning western woe of man

Who says the neanderthals died out

[canadiangirl]

Stop banging on about the sun rising as if you are somehow introducing precision and definition into the topic...........It doesn't rise, just goes to show you can't even define your terms correctly. Your pseudo scientific analysis is exactly that..... pseudo. Its the mark of a patronising man too when you talk of women and children as the saviours of the world. They are like us, we are like them. You dont marry old ladies and why should a woman who is young want an older man? I can accpet that you are a nice guy and no doubt love your wife dearly as she probably loves you, but as a rational man you must concede that the average falang protests too much. None of our wives are hookers, if they were they are all reformed. They all married for love despite their background. We all know lots of bad relationships, perhaps the majority, but its never ours. We concede that the young girls are often out to get what they can, given the inequality they face they have little option but its never our wife always someone else. As long as there's a failure to face facts theres a danger of it all falling apart. When it does its catastrophic. take the blinkers off see what the real dynamics of relations ships between old and young are........security for sex, youth for money. Falang men steal their youth and they take our money for it. Though of course you and I are exceptions.

You continue to be very lucid and eloquent, ratchabuild.

[ratchabuild]

apart from hello kitty and david beckham, what do you talk about to a 22 year old thai girl?

Whatever you want to....they are being paid to do as they are told.

[ratchabuild]

i, for one, think a mans brain is far more sexy than his six pack.

-Donna

And of course all the men here in LOS are here for brains too.

Is conjugating Latin verbs conjugal bliss?

My Thai wife is much younger than me but is in no way my intellectual inferior. She's simply had fewer opportunities than me. She's heard of Aristotle but doesn't know much about him and it hasn't threatened our relationship so far.

We don't discuss Kant over the som tam but even if the language gap allowed intellectual discussions, do husband and wife ever have the time? You just get bogged down in domesticity. If you need regular intellectual climaxes, does it necessarily have to be with your wife?

I wish I spoke Thai well enough to discuss local politics in depth with her, and that is a limitation. Nonetheless, I find our differences fascinating and living with her is a constant process of learning about her life and culture.

Marriage is surely about liking and respecting someone and above all companionship and following common goals... building that house, keeping the kids off the street and so on.

An age gap is not a fatal flaw in a friendship but it would drive me mad if my wife were preening and painting her face, smoking and drinking all the time and teetering precariously on high heels between the buffalo turds.

So who's really luckier? The lard arse with the slick bit of tottie or the one who's still stuck with the Mark I model? Well, it all depends who's actually achieved the elusive goal of happiness, doesn't it.

Butterflies may look happy but they don't live very long.

Andrew Hicks

Shouldn't a corporate lawyer have a better command of english and stop dumbing down, now if you were a criminal brief I could understand it but you aren't so why not drop the "wotcher mate" style and be yourself, seems to me you suffer from a bad case of Thailanditis....trying to be someone you are not and refusing to face the facts. We're talking about old falang men pretending to be something they are not...........a good match for a young Thai woman. Get a grip on your own reality before pontificating.

[ratchabuild]

As for your Issan wife (as you call her) being smarter than me -- who knows? If your idea of intelligence is choosing you as a husband, clearly we're unlikely to agree.

Ouch!

I've refrained from joining in on this post out of fear. Not sure I can match wits with yourself, Kat, Bendix, and others. I haven't got the sense that the ladies are bitter like some posters feel. Quite a few generalizations, but the womens' posts ring true.

Age disparities don't determine happiness, but a 58 year man marrying an 18 year old Thai is a little sick. I admit, I find 18 year olds attractive, but couldn't imagine falling in love, or for that matter, her loving me.

Voice of sanity.......quick donate some blood to Dustoff

Edited August 23, 2007 by ratchabuild

[ColPyat]

Good way to put it, rachabuild. What would you think if a 58 year old man turned up at the door for a date with your 18 year old daughter?

I guess we might get a few predictable answers on this question.

Some here wouldn't mind it - they would be too busy hitting on their daughter's/grand daughter's school friends to notice such details.

And lets not forget, it always "different" - people will find an excuse for anything, be that a mistaken understanding of local cultures - such as the usual that in Thailand young women prefer old men (yea, of course this has nothing to do with economics - it's just sweet love), that they doing something good to the poor and gentle Thais (but of course get their own back as well), that they pump up much money into the economy (and create jealousies within village communities leading to even more young girls entering the business or being "introduced" to assorted rich western geriatrics).

How many of you old guys with young wifes actually bothered to learn the native language of your wife, and tried to assimilate to their culture (and that also means contemporary cultural problems as well) beyond what is written in the lonely planet and making a few badly executed Wais at the local Wat when on holiday?

I would take you guys more serious of you would be prepared to go the full monty, or have done so already, and not just pick and choose what is convenient for you, and buy yourself out of any situation that would require some adaptation.

Getting back to the thread title - old divorced westerner (a young one in such a situation is as bad) at a skytrain station breaking every local dress code with his beach clothes, a beer a beer in his hand (most likely sandals and white socks as well, sorry can't get the picture out of me head), with his youthful companion - just because he can do so, explaining away his disregard of local sensibilities by all sorts of excuses, trying even to come across as some sort of liberated social revolutionary. Though what he's rebelling about he doesn't even know because he doesn't understand the culture he moves in presently, and the little he understands is a halfbaked mixture of a tourist brochure and his own indulgent delusions, and is a bit late to rebel in such pubescent ways against his own cultural mores anyhow (yes, i sported a Mohican as well when i was a teen, took acid in class, threw stones and Molotov Cocktails at cops and Nazis, and felt like Bakunin himself - shorts and a beer hasn't been exactly social revolution anymore since before James Dean).

So, where please is in this scenario the "soul mateship" possible - when communication beyond "rub me back", "hand me the Viagra, Love, would 'ya please" and "gimme beer" just isn't possible?

There are always exceptions, and i have met some. And there are the old guys with young wife who are under no illusion about their situation, are honest and make no patronizing excuses as we can read here.

But i am sorry to say, the vast majority of those sort of relationships play according to the same old tune - the only meaningful conversation is led with his buddies, all full of love (mostly unrequited though) to the "Land of Smile", the cute little village girl who sits there with a bored face like a monkey silently next to the guys.

And, as i said earlier in the thread - many of those wifes get their own back. In my place of origin i am aware of a place where those import wifes play the game while hubby is at work, and she's shopping. And even overseas they have access to the young Thai blokes they can relate to, both culturally and linguistically - all the younger brothers of another wife on a holiday, blokes working as chef's in the local Thai restaurant, etc.

Very <deleted> sad.

End of rant.

[canadiangirl]

Good one, CG. And if I had actually written that, I would agree with you.

If I was too thick to grasp that you qualified your judgments with "some" in most cases, I apologize. And in no way did I imply that you called my wife a whore nor even thought such a thing. How can you put quotes around something that I never wrote? Hmm, or am I detecting a pattern here..?

And yet, here I am, participating in this ridiculous thread and banging heads with two farang women, when in truth I believe that it is the women and children of this world who are the most likely to pull us out of the nightmares we create for ourselves with our judgments and lack of respect for our own kind.

Dunno, but perhaps I am more worried about you and your seeming anger toward the world than I portray on here and I am more than willing to take back whatever unkind things I have said about/to you and wish you the very best.

Hey Dustoff,

I have no problem believing that you might be a nice bloke outside of TV, as Chinthee suggested. I like your icon picture, it has a "zest for life" quality to it.

However, if you'd like to for us younger women to think of you as "young at heart" rather than as a tired old fart, I suggest you drop the condescending paternalism.

Edited August 23, 2007 by canadiangirl

[ratchabuild]

Good way to put it, rachabuild. What would you think if a 58 year old man turned up at the door for a date with your 18 year old daughter?

I guess we might get a few predictable answers on this question.

Some here wouldn't mind it - they would be too busy hitting on their daughter's/grand daughter's school friends to notice such details.

And lets not forget, it always "different" - people will find an excuse for anything, be that a mistaken understanding of local cultures - such as the usual that in Thailand young women prefer old men (yea, of course this has nothing to do with economics - it's just sweet love), that they doing something good to the poor and gentle Thais (but of course get their own back as well), that they pump up much money into the economy (and create jealousies within village communities leading to even more young girls entering the business or being "introduced" to assorted rich western geriatrics).

How many of you old guys with young wifes actually bothered to learn the native language of your wife, and tried to assimilate to their culture (and that also means contemporary cultural problems as well) beyond what is written in the lonely planet and making a few badly executed Wais at the local Wat when on holiday?

I would take you guys more serious of you would be prepared to go the full monty, or have done so already, and not just pick and choose what is convenient for you, and buy yourself out of any situation that would require some adaptation.

Getting back to the thread title - old divorced westerner (a young one in such a situation is as bad) at a skytrain station breaking every local dress code with his beach clothes, a beer a beer in his hand (most likely sandals and white socks as well, sorry can't get the picture out of me head), with his youthful companion - just because he can do so, explaining away his disregard of local sensibilities by all sorts of excuses, trying even to come across as some sort of liberated social revolutionary. Though what he's rebelling about he doesn't even know because he doesn't understand the culture he moves in presently, and the little he understands is a halfbaked mixture of a tourist brochure and his own indulgent delusions, and is a bit late to rebel in such pubescent ways against his own cultural mores anyhow (yes, i sported a Mohican as well when i was a teen, took acid in class, threw stones and Molotov Cocktails at cops and Nazis, and felt like Bakunin himself - shorts and a beer hasn't been exactly social revolution anymore since before James Dean).

So, where please is in this scenario the "soul mateship" possible - when communication beyond "rub me back", "hand me the Viagra, Love, would 'ya please" and "gimme beer" just isn't possible?

There are always exceptions, and i have met some. And there are the old guys with young wife who are under no illusion about their situation, are honest and make no patronizing excuses as we can read here.

But i am sorry to say, the vast majority of those sort of relationships play according to the same old tune - the only meaningful conversation is led with his buddies, all full of love (mostly unrequited though) to the "Land of Smile", the cute little village girl who sits there with a bored face like a monkey silently next to the guys.

And, as i said earlier in the thread - many of those wifes get their own back. In my place of origin i am aware of a place where those import wifes play the game while hubby is at work, and she's shopping. And even overseas they have access to the young Thai blokes they can relate to, both culturally and linguistically - all the younger brothers of another wife on a holiday, blokes working as chef's in the local Thai restaurant, etc.

Very <deleted> sad.

End of rant.

Very funny and very true too. Must be heart breaking for the girl full of spirit and fire with an appetite to learn who settles for an old man who knows everything, can learn nothing and treats her like a dog on a lead. All because they can buy her silence.

[ColPyat]

Very funny and very true too. Must be heart breaking for the girl full of spirit and fire with an appetite to learn who settles for an old man who knows everything, can learn nothing and treats her like a dog on a lead. All because they can buy her silence.

To be fair - more than often it is heart breaking for the bloke as well, in the end, when he found out that women here are not just sweet little things but regular humans with a full range of emotions, though hidden under a culture-specific code that needs hard work and study to be able to decipher, at least to some degree.

Edited August 23, 2007 by ColPyat

[coldcrush]

and here he is again....

Boring.

Live it and love it.

ps. how boring....

boring 2

Edited August 23, 2007 by coldcrush

[sukanyacondo]

mmmmmmmmmmmm ok age difference brigade how much is too much?? 10 years 15-20- 50????????

[coldcrush]

I just love doing it when I am young, maybe I will grow old of it, but I am not tired yet. I am married and happy. Just enjoy it and stop analysing it.

Live your life and enjoy it, By the way my grandad met a girl in Burma during the war, married my Nana, but he still talks about the girl in Burma and hes 85!

Live it and love it!

[canadiangirl]

mmmmmmmmmmmm ok age difference brigade how much is too much?? 10 years 15-20- 50????????

The real issue isn't differences in age, or wealth, or nationality. It's power. When people come into a relationship from very unequal positions, there is more potential for the exploitation of one partner by the other. This potential is not always realized; some relationships with big differences still manage to be loving, caring relationships which uplift both of the people involved. To me, this is all that matters.

Strangely a propos, the song playing on my computer when I read your post is David Bowie's China Girl:

My little china girl

You shouldnt mess with me

I'll ruin everything you are

I'll give you television

I'll give you eyes of blue

I'll give you men who want to rule the world

[canadiangirl]

IMO, if you lot put in half as much time making a marriage work as you do discussing how to, there might be lot more marital harmony.

Haha -- good observation, qwertz. I'm procrastinating about some writing that's due, and I keep telling myself I should be putting all this fire into it instead.

[LaoPo]

The real issue isn't differences in age, or wealth, or nationality. It's power.

True, that's why a lot of women, all around the world, are into men with power.

Fascinating to watch.

LaoPo

[jetjock]

The real issue isn't differences in age, or wealth, or nationality. It's power.

True, that's why a lot of women, all around the world, are into men with power.

Fascinating to watch.

LaoPo

I agree that power is the real issue. Power and to a slightly lesser extent money are two of the strongest chick magnets in the world today. Whether one likes it or not, it is a reality of life. As an example, just remember that Henry Kissinger was considered one of the biggest chick magnets in society when he was in his heyday.

As for age difference, I think that the actual age of the women when she makes a decision to marry an older guy is even more important than the chronological difference in their ages. I think there is a huge difference between an 18 year old girl and and 26 year old women. Most girls seem to make a major transition from being a girl to being a woman during those years. My guess is that if you polled women, you will find that the years between 18 and 26 were some of the most formative of their lives with regards to determining who they really are and what they want out of life. Many of us guys are lucky that we never have to grow up and can remain little boys with our toys forever !

*edited for typo

Edited August 23, 2007 by jetjock

[kmart]

Strangely a propos, the song playing on my computer when I read your post is David Bowie's China Girl:

My little china girl

You shouldnt mess with me

I'll ruin everything you are

I'll give you television

I'll give you eyes of blue

I'll give you men who want to rule the world

Mr Pedantic here. "China Girl" is an Iggy Pop chune, covered by Bowie.

[mikethevigoman]

mmmmmmmmmmmm ok age difference brigade how much is too much?? 10 years 15-20- 50????????

Given the choice over a 50 year 80 kilo woman and a 40 kilo 18 year old id take the 50 year old any day,. dosent ring true for some reason does it ? we are in thailand thank god, only in the west would the jealous bigots think its not right to have a younger partner,.i am glad i left most of them behind, although a few of them have crawled onto this forum..im 56 my wife of 7 years is 32 we get along great thankyou and f@uck all you that dont like it !

[mikethevigoman]

I saw this beautiful girl in her twenties today on the street. And when I looked next to her, I thought, <deleted>!! How can she be with this really ugly man?? It must be money!! I mean even if this man was also in his twenties. Sickening! This world stinks!

Westerners will never understand, maybe if you had dying parents and no national health your eyesight may not work too well as to who you had to go with to get money for hospital treatment,. of course its money, let me ask you if your mother was on her death bed ( this is an extreme example admitted ) and you could get the money to help her for going with an ugly partner would you let her die ?. that they are doing it for similar reasons is of no difference and im sure if you voiced your opinion to most bar girls they would tell you to mind your own business,. when in rome !

[bendix]

mmmmmmmmmmmm ok age difference brigade how much is too much?? 10 years 15-20- 50????????

The real issue isn't differences in age, or wealth, or nationality. It's power. When people come into a relationship from very unequal positions, there is more potential for the exploitation of one partner by the other. This potential is not always realized; some relationships with big differences still manage to be loving, caring relationships which uplift both of the people involved. To me, this is all that matters.

Strangely a propos, the song playing on my computer when I read your post is David Bowie's China Girl:

My little china girl

You shouldnt mess with me

I'll ruin everything you are

I'll give you television

I'll give you eyes of blue

I'll give you men who want to rule the world

CG . . in a relationship between a 58 divorcee, temporarily loaded up with cash from the proceeds of his house sale in Houston and feeling (wrongly) that he's the richest guy in Thailand and utterly invincible on the one hand, and the type of young Thai woman who necessarily has the personality to enter a relationship with such a guy on the other, who do you think has the real power?

In the my experience, usually the guy is lonely, vulnerable yet not insightful enough to realise it. He thinks the girl genuinely adores him.

The girl, on the other hand, far from being vulnerable knows exactly where his weaknesses are, knows how to pull his strings, knows how to exploit and leverage his loneliness and sense of his life slipping by.

Sure, there is a power mismatch, but I'm not sure it's the one you think it is. That's why those couples are usually characterised by the guy spending his life in Chang teeshirts and stubble, and the girl wears gold ;-)

[Aujuba]

Can we change the title of this thread to 'Jerry Springer in Thailand' He does spring breaks in Florida. Why not do a Thai Springer show?

If there weren't something here, this thread would have died instantly. These young -old relationships are still a bit strange. Even inter-cultural relationships are still not that common to society as a whole. In the past, a white person who married a black person in the US was looked down upon. Nowadays, that's not the case.

I like this thread despite the brawling going on. In the end nothing matters really. It's funny how each side in the argument seems to think it has an advantage. The old guys with young girls are 'living it up'. The conservatives are laughing at the idea of 'a grandfather proudly waltzing around town arm in arm with a teenage golddigger.'

[meemiathai]

mmmmmmmmmmmm ok age difference brigade how much is too much?? 10 years 15-20- 50????????

Given the choice over a 50 year 80 kilo woman and a 40 kilo 18 year old id take the 50 year old any day,. dosent ring true for some reason does it ? we are in thailand thank god, only in the west would the jealous bigots think its not right to have a younger partner,.i am glad i left most of them behind, although a few of them have crawled onto this forum..im 56 my wife of 7 years is 32 we get along great thankyou and f@uck all you that dont like it !

If you were with a 50 year old 80kg woman, I would sure think you are with her for money. Any man who stays with a woman 50 years old or above and weights over 80 kilos must be for money! Or because of the power the woman has!

[meemiathai]

I saw this beautiful girl in her twenties today on the street. And when I looked next to her, I thought, <deleted>!! How can she be with this really ugly man?? It must be money!! I mean even if this man was also in his twenties. Sickening! This world stinks!

Westerners will never understand, maybe if you had dying parents and no national health your eyesight may not work too well as to who you had to go with to get money for hospital treatment,. of course its money, let me ask you if your mother was on her death bed ( this is an extreme example admitted ) and you could get the money to help her for going with an ugly partner would you let her die ?. that they are doing it for similar reasons is of no difference and im sure if you voiced your opinion to most bar girls they would tell you to mind your own business,. when in rome !

Are you asking me? Any age will do as long as it is a woman. I am a dog!

[ColPyat]

mmmmmmmmmmmm ok age difference brigade how much is too much?? 10 years 15-20- 50????????

Given the choice over a 50 year 80 kilo woman and a 40 kilo 18 year old id take the 50 year old any day,. dosent ring true for some reason does it ? we are in thailand thank god, only in the west would the jealous bigots think its not right to have a younger partner,.i am glad i left most of them behind, although a few of them have crawled onto this forum..im 56 my wife of 7 years is 32 we get along great thankyou and f@uck all you that dont like it !

If you were with a 50 year old 80kg woman, I would sure think you are with her for money. Any man who stays with a woman 50 years old or above and weights over 80 kilos must be for money! Or because of the power the woman has!

Are you guys saying that everyone should dump his wife as soon as she reached her sell by date, and get oneself a younger model?

Wow, your wifes are to be envied, really. Did you tell them that the marriage is just a temporary contract of convenience?

[meemiathai]

mmmmmmmmmmmm ok age difference brigade how much is too much?? 10 years 15-20- 50????????

Given the choice over a 50 year 80 kilo woman and a 40 kilo 18 year old id take the 50 year old any day,. dosent ring true for some reason does it ? we are in thailand thank god, only in the west would the jealous bigots think its not right to have a younger partner,.i am glad i left most of them behind, although a few of them have crawled onto this forum..im 56 my wife of 7 years is 32 we get along great thankyou and f@uck all you that dont like it !

If you were with a 50 year old 80kg woman, I would sure think you are with her for money. Any man who stays with a woman 50 years old or above and weights over 80 kilos must be for money! Or because of the power the woman has!

Are you guys saying that everyone should dump his wife as soon as she reached her sell by date, and get oneself a younger model?

Wow, your wifes are to be envied, really. Did you tell them that the marriage is just a temporary contract of convenience?

I am just suggesting I am a bigot who thinks people with 20+ years age gap should not be together. If they do, they should be looked down at.

[ColPyat]

I am just suggesting I am a bigot who thinks people with 20+ years age gap should not be together. If they do, they should be looked down at.

There is a certain irony how your sides circumnavigates around several issues here in this thread, and especially the OP's post topic.

You're all up in arms defending the right of those poor old men in "love" (lust?), while completely ignoring and/or simplifying socio-economic factors that in most cases facilitate these lopsided relationships.

I asked you a clear question that directly relates to the thread topic, and to your statement regarding the weight of women: Is it perfectly alright to dump you wife and look for a younger model in an economically challenged society as soon as the wife crossed her sell by date, because your financial position makes it possible?

I have a few posts ago asked another question that was so far conveniently ignored: How many of you have tried to bridge the enormous gap by learning the language of your wife, and have adapted to her culture beyond what is communicated in a tourist brochure?

Another poster has asked another unanswered question: How would you feel when a 58 year old bloke appears suddenly as your 17 year old daughter's date?

So far, in this thread, i am missing any honest self examination by your side of the debate. You follow a rather shallow, self indulgent and simplistic pattern of debate - all is kushti coz they in lurve, and any question that might lead to some uncomfortable thoughts is countered with attacks such as us being "bigots" or "prissy".

Edited August 24, 2007 by ColPyat