1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Oh, but who's going to pick the left's fruit, cut their grass and clean their toilets?

Elon Musk's robots! What could possibly go wrong...

3 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

She wasn't murdered!

That is what is up for discussion.

Your opinion is noted but it is still just your opinion.

17 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Really doesn't matter if she was trying to interfere with ICE agents, murdering her was simply not justified

Driving her car at the agent was simply not justified, either...and she was not murdered.

18 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Oh, but who's going to pick the left's fruit, cut their grass and clean their toilets?

Maybe they can hire some of the unemployed paid agitators when the Trump DOJ starts using RICO to charge them for organized criminality. I'll bet that the Dems and lefties didn't see that one boomeranging on them.

30 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Driving her car at the agent was simply not justified, either...and she was not murdered.

It was a cold blooded killing of the first degree, there were probably 15 other ways that these agents could have employed to stop this woman. Shooting her in the head was so far over the top it boggles the mind.

How about using a stun gun, how about shooting out her tires or her engine block. How about the agent just getting out of the way of the car? I could literally come up with two dozen other ways to stop her.

This was a completely out of control young man, who was so pumped up on adrenaline and stepped way over the line. For Noem to defend him shows what a lowlife she truly is.

23 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

That is what is up for discussion.

Your opinion is noted but it is still just your opinion.

No its not just my opinion. its not up for discussion!

Until a person has been convicted in a court of law for 'murder' of the woman, its not murder.

Nobody has even been charged.

She was shot and 'killed' big difference!

12 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

OK. Until a court says otherwise, there was no murder. Calling the event something that it was not serves no purpose. The woman stuck her nose into a law enforcement action and found out that it can have consequences. There are 2 gang members shot in Portland that reportedly tried to resist an arrest. I expect that the attention will now turn to this.

Wait, what? Why are you still here??

3 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

It was a cold blooded killing of the first degree, there were probably 15 other ways that these agents could have employed to stop this woman. Shooting her in the head was so far over the top it boggles the mind.

How about using a stun gun, how about shooting out her tires or her engine block. How about the agent just getting out of the way of the car? I could literally come up with two dozen other ways to stop her.

This was a completely out of control young man, who was so pumped up on adrenaline and stepped way over the line. For Noem to defend him shows what a lowlife she truly is.

Is that Jussie Smolette's?

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

It was a cold blooded killing of the first degree, there were probably 15 other ways that these agents could have employed to stop this woman. Shooting her in the head was so far over the top it boggles the mind.

How about using a stun gun, how about shooting out her tires or her engine block. How about the agent just getting out of the way of the car? I could literally come up with two dozen other ways to stop her.

This was a completely out of control young man, who was so pumped up on adrenaline and stepped way over the line. For Noem to defend him shows what a lowlife she truly is.

I would love to hear some of your 24 techniques to stop a moving vehicle my friend.

Taser? Come on. Through the windshield?

Shooting out the tires or engine block only happens in movies. You are proving your ignorance of firearms and their usage.

The easiest way to stop a moving vehicle is for the DRIVER to stop it. Especially when given repeated lawful orders to do so. Especially when not frightened or confused.

Calling it murder is the same as calling ICE agents "fascists", illegal aliens "migrants", Trump "Hitler", unwanted touching "rape", abortion "reproductive rights" and genital mutilation of children "gender affirming care".

The left destroys the language, culture and everything else it touches.

51 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

3 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

She wasn't murdered!

That is what is up for discussion.

Your opinion is noted but it is still just your opinion.

It is not just my opinion, it is fact, she was not murdered (which requires very specific circumstances) she was shot agter hitting the agent with her car!...

from 7:00 in the agents video...

5 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I would love to hear some of your 24 techniques to stop a moving vehicle my friend.

Taser? Come on. Through the windshield?

Shooting out the tires or engine block only happens in movies. You are proving your ignorance of firearms and their usage.

The easiest way to stop a moving vehicle is for the DRIVER to stop it. Especially when given repeated lawful orders to do so. Especially when not frightened or confused.

It is astounding how out of touch with reality some people are.

Why did the woman not just duck when she saw the bullet coming, that happens all the time in movies as well.

Wha would the left be saying if ICE was tazing criminal protesters to get them out of their cars?

17 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

iving her car at the agent was simply not justified, either...and she was not murdered.

It was a cold blooded killing of the first degree, there were probably 15 other ways that these agents could have employed to stop this woman. Shooting her in the head was so far over the top it boggles the mind.

Driving into and hitting the agent with a lethal weapon was so far over the top it boggles the mind and any idiot who uses a lethal weapon against law enforcement as she did should only expect lethal weapon reaction in return

17 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

iving her car at the agent was simply not justified, either...and she was not murdered.

It was a cold blooded killing of the first degree, there were probably 15 other ways that these agents could have employed to stop this woman. Shooting her in the head was so far over the top it boggles the mind.

Driving into and hitting the agent with a lethal weapon was so far over the top it boggles the mind.

21 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

This was a completely out of control young man

Why the mischaracterisation of the agent as "young man"? He isn't a young man, he's a middle-aged family man.

5 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Driving into and hitting the agent with a lethal weapon was so far over the top it boggles the mind.

BS.

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Driving into and hitting the agent with a lethal weapon was so far over the top it boggles the mind.

Why the mischaracterisation of the agent as "young man"? He isn't a young man, he's a middle-aged family man.

There we go with that family man trope again, as if we should forgive all transgressions and murder, because he has a family. Most murderers have families.

24 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

No its not just my opinion. its not up for discussion!

Until a person has been convicted in a court of law for 'murder' of the woman, its not murder.

Nobody has even been charged.

She was shot and 'killed' big difference!

I understand you approve of this killing.

Whether the ICE agent is charged with murder or not does not change whether or not it was an unjustified, unnecessary and immoral killing.

That is to say a murder.

17 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

iving her car at the agent was simply not justified, either...and she was not murdered.

It was a cold blooded killing of the first degree, there were probably 15 other ways that these agents could have employed to stop this woman. Shooting her in the head was so far over the top it boggles the mind.

Driving into and hitting the agent with a lethal weapon was so far over the top it boggles the mind.

21 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

This was a completely out of control young man

Why the mischaracterisation of the agent as "young man"? He isn't a young man, he's a middle-aged, family man and veteran.

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

There we go with that family man trope again, as if we should forgive all transgressions and murder, because he has a family. Most murderers have families.

No, but why is the criminal protester to be forgiven her illegal actions because she's a mother?

I do not think the officer should have shot the woman, but neither do I think we should be stoking violence against ICE.

8 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

BS.

The BS is not mine, it is clear that he was hit by the car, that he held onto his phone is irrelevant.

11 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

5 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Driving into and hitting the agent with a lethal weapon was so far over the top it boggles the mind.

Why the mischaracterisation of the agent as "young man"? He isn't a young man, he's a middle-aged family man.

There we go with that family man trope again, as if we should forgive all transgressions and murder, because he has a family. Most murderers have families.

I didn't say that anyone should be forgiven transgessions, I pointed out your deliberate mischaracterisation of the agent as an "out of control young man", that's all, he is not.

1 hour ago, cdemundo said:

That is what is up for discussion.

Your opinion is noted but it is still just your opinion.

Your opinion is based on nothing.

4 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

I understand you approve of this killing.

Whether the ICE agent is charged with murder or not does not change whether or not it was an unjustified, unnecessary and immoral killing.

That is to say a murder.

Where did I say I approve of this killing?? Elucidate.

You can believe whatever you want, of course, but legally speaking, for a killing to be definitively classified as "murder" (as opposed to homicide, manslaughter, or justifiable homicide), it typically requires a criminal conviction in court, where a judge or jury finds the perpetrator guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of the elements of murder (unlawful killing with malice aforethought).

That is to say it is most definitely NOT murder!

Legal outcomes don't dictate morality.

The evidence (videos showing Good accelerating forward amid non-compliance, Ross's reasonable fear from prior trauma, DHS policy on vehicles as weapons) strongly supports it as a tragic but defensible act of self-defense, not an immoral overreach. Hindsight alternatives ignore split-second realities; calling it "unjustified and unnecessary" dismisses the agent's perspective without proof of malice.

Until the investigation is complete we won't actually know!

12 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

Where did I say I approve of this killing?? Elucidate.

You can believe whatever you want, of course, but legally speaking, for a killing to be definitively classified as "murder" (as opposed to homicide, manslaughter, or justifiable homicide), it typically requires a criminal conviction in court, where a judge or jury finds the perpetrator guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of the elements of murder (unlawful killing with malice aforethought).

That is to say it is most definitely NOT murder!

Legal outcomes don't dictate morality.

The evidence (videos showing Good accelerating forward amid non-compliance, Ross's reasonable fear from prior trauma, DHS policy on vehicles as weapons) strongly supports it as a tragic but defensible act of self-defense, not an immoral overreach. Hindsight alternatives ignore split-second realities; calling it "unjustified and unnecessary" dismisses the agent's perspective without proof of malice.

Until the investigation is complete we won't actually know!

I would class it as suicide rather than murder.

18 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

I understand you approve of this killing.

Whether the ICE agent is charged with murder or not does not change whether or not it was an unjustified, unnecessary and immoral killing.

That is to say a murder.

I understand you approve of the attempted killing of the agent.

Whether the ICE agent is charged with murder or not does not change whether or not he was subjected to an unjustified, unnecessary and immoral attempted killing by the dead woman.

3 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

Where did I say I approve of this killing?? Elucidate.

You can believe whatever you want, of course, but legally speaking, for a killing to be definitively classified as "murder" (as opposed to homicide, manslaughter, or justifiable homicide), it typically requires a criminal conviction in court, where a judge or jury finds the perpetrator guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of the elements of murder (unlawful killing with malice aforethought).

That is to say it is most definitely NOT murder!

Legal outcomes don't dictate morality.

The evidence (videos showing Good accelerating forward amid non-compliance, Ross's reasonable fear from prior trauma, DHS policy on vehicles as weapons) strongly supports it as a tragic but defensible act of self-defense, not an immoral overreach. Hindsight alternatives ignore split-second realities; calling it "unjustified and unnecessary" dismisses the agent's perspective without proof of malice.

Until the investigation is complete we won't actually know!

"Legal outcomes don't dictate morality."

Exactly.

The question is, in the everyday sense of the word, not the technical legal jargon,

was it a murder.

An unnecessary, avoidable, immoral killing - which is what the word murder describes.

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

I would class it as suicide rather than murder.

Perhaps more accurately Darwin in action?

Protesters feel they are immune to the consequences of their actions. I guess, given the track record of various levels of government in prosecuting their behavior, they may have a point. It's really very simple though. When a person, as a driver, is given a legal order to stop their vehicle and get out, they have to obey. If they don't, then whatever happens afterwards is at least partially their own fault.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone seen what Good did for a living?

I've read some of her poetry, and it's pretty doubtful that anyone was paying her for that.

Last I looked, the GoFundMe for her was up above $600K. And that was days ago...

Renee Good

The sodding irony.

Just now, impulse said:

Just out of curiosity, has anyone seen what Good did for a living?

What she did for a living is clear from this thread.