13 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

You're too funny. Thanks for the giggle.

When confronted with the truth, you can't cope can you?

12 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Stop it! My sides are hurting...

Who else offered a peace plan or an alternative to violence?

11 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

The fact is the money Israel paid into Gaza freed up money Hamas would have had to spend.. And the reason Israel allowed that money into Gaza was to prop up Hamas against the PA.

The plan isn't perfect? How about it's grandiose. Starting with the fact that the Board of Peace, over which Trump has pretty much dictatorial powers, would be the funding agency. How many ballrooms does Gaza need?

What you also fail to note is the the transient governing authority is supposed to be operating under the aegis of the PA. Netanyahu has specifically said that the PA is to have no future in Gaza. He's also opposed to the Board of Peace. Not because there's a dictatorial loon in charge, but rather because Qatar and Turkey are members.

No. That is not how the money flow into Gaza works. You can't have it both ways. Israel was obliged to allow the funds into Gaza because it was deemed humanitarian related. Had Israel blocked the funds you would be calling it evil all the same. In case you missed it, France has cracked down on the Hamas financiers and several are now shut down. Did you miss the fact that Khaled Al Shouli, a Jordanian lawyer based in France and one of three individuals leading the International Criminal Court case against Israel has had his assets frozen and is facing charges in France for allegedly using humanitarian aid to fund Hamas and money laundering. This is how pervasive the bias and corruption is. You are very good at blaming Israel for the corruption of Hamas.

Where does the rebuilding plan for Gaza mention ballrooms? Have you even read the plan? Aside from it being rather boring, it is quite detailed in the detailing of water systems and public sanitation.

Netanyahu has little say in blocking the progress of the Trump initiated plan. If he gets in the way he will be pushed aside. He does however have a legitimate right to ensure that the funds and construction materials are used for what they are supposed to be used for.

24 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

No. That is not how the money flow into Gaza works. You can't have it both ways. Israel was obliged to allow the funds into Gaza because it was deemed humanitarian related. Had Israel blocked the funds you would be calling it evil all the same. In case you missed it, France has cracked down on the Hamas financiers and several are now shut down. Did you miss the fact that Khaled Al Shouli, a Jordanian lawyer based in France and one of three individuals leading the International Criminal Court case against Israel has had his assets frozen and is facing charges in France for allegedly using humanitarian aid to fund Hamas and money laundering. This is how pervasive the bias and corruption is. You are very good at blaming Israel for the corruption of Hamas.

Where does the rebuilding plan for Gaza mention ballrooms? Have you even read the plan? Aside from it being rather boring, it is quite detailed in the detailing of water systems and public sanitation.

Netanyahu has little say in blocking the progress of the Trump initiated plan. If he gets in the way he will be pushed aside. He does however have a legitimate right to ensure that the funds and construction materials are used for what they are supposed to be used for.

So the money that was obligated to be sent into Gaza was sent in secret? That is to laugh.

As for Netanyahu having little say, the Israelis are masterful at coming up with excuses for obstruction.

3 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Oh please ,another one listening to Western media

Believe half of what you hear darl

But you being a trusting and I don't know your pronouns but I presume you identify as a man , you been a trusting man you believe it

The Mullahs are religious people

What media are are you listening to?

The "Talibangicals" in the US, who call themselves "Christian Nationalists" are just jihadis in slacks and baseball caps, rather than thobes and ghutras.

The "love" Jesus but hate what he taught. They cry for the abortion of a zygote, but call the deaths of innocents unavoidable "collateral damage".

They don't seem even to have read the book they claim to worship, as abortion is noted in the Old Testament, with Moses even giving instructions on how to perform it (Leviticus). Not once did Jesus ever mention abortion.

What Jesus did say, in Matthew 25, was practice humility, feed the poor, welcome the stranger, and care for prisoners. "Nations and individuals will be judged on how they follow these teachings".

If the Bible is the word of some deity, the US under Trump is well and truly effed.

On 3/4/2026 at 3:32 PM, RupertIII said:

More than 200 complaints have been received by a watchdog group from service members across all branches of the US armed forces regarding US military commanders invoking extremist Christian rhetoric about biblical “end times” to justify involvement in the Iran war to troops.

Apparently Trump has been anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/03/us-israel-iran-war-christian-rhetoric

Trump is not Jesus. He's the Antichrist. You better read Revelations again.

16 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Those officers speak the same language as the ayatollahs. It's just a different dialect.

Not really a surprise coming from the white Christian nationalist mage fascist Trump regime.

3 hours ago, sungod said:

If it means stopping a bunch of Islamist nutcases (who call for the death of the West) from getting a nuclear bomb, then I guess you must be right.

You obviously haven't heard of 'the samson option' or that the assassinated Ayatollah had issued an order banning the development of nuclear weapons

or that the International Atomic Energy Agency said that Iran was not producing nuclear weapons or that director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard believed Iran wasn’t building a nuclear weapon..but hey ho just go blow everything up anyway...yee haaa.

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Not really a surprise coming from the white Christian nationalist mage fascist Trump regime.

Christian Zionists maybe..craving the apocalypse and the return of the messiah ?

23 hours ago, bannork said:

the Iran campaign as “all part of God’s divine plan”

Not forgetting of course that Iranians worship the same god.

4 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

You threw up a list of alleged wrongdoings by the USA, and now proclaim that that the USA is the most prolific in its use of bombs. There is no context. Presenting the use of bombs against Japan in 1945 or in the liberation of Korea in the 1950's as indicative of a negative intent is offensive. Had it not been for those US bombs, the people of South Korea would not have bene liberated from the oppression of the Chinese. The Japanese campaign of brutality would not have been pushed back in SE Asia. And as bad as the Vietnam war was, you have benefited. You would not be enjoying fun in the sun in Thailand, because Thailand most certainly would have fallen to the Chinese backed communist insurgents.

Get it right, please. I said nothing about wrongdoing. I posted a list of countries America had bombed since 1945, with the comment about America being regarded as the Great Satan.

You are wrong about the communist insurgency in Thailand. Bombs did not defeat it, the Thais themselves did by clever diplomacy and internal policy shifts.

On 3/4/2026 at 2:32 PM, RupertIII said:

More than 200 complaints have been received by a watchdog group from service members across all branches of the US armed forces regarding US military commanders invoking extremist Christian rhetoric about biblical “end times” to justify involvement in the Iran war to troops.

Apparently Trump has been anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/03/us-israel-iran-war-christian-rhetoric

The Guardian is Atheist propaganda

21 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Not really a surprise coming from the white Christian nationalist mage fascist Trump regime.

Iran is a fascist nation. Has been for 45 years.

11 minutes ago, khaosokman said:

Iran is a fascist nation. Has been for 45 years.

A horribly repressiblllve theocracy and global terrorist actor, yes.

17 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Those officers speak the same language as the ayatollahs. It's just a different dialect.

And the Ayatollah (and his son) was as corrupt as trump. Just goes to show that religion can still be profitable for the corrupt irrespective what side they are on........

Mojtaba Khamenei has amassed international investments, amid widespread economic hardship in Iran

 On a tree-lined street in north London, known as “Billionaire’s Row”, a clutch of mostly empty mansions sits behind tall hedges and blacked-out gates. As school children wander by, private guards in dark SUVs patrol outside.

Behind the facades of these luxury homes on The Bishops Avenue lies a network stretching from Tehran to Dubai and Frankfurt.

The ultimate ownership traces back, through layers of shell companies, to one of the most powerful men in the Middle East: Mojtaba Khamenei, the second-eldest son of Iran’s Supreme Leader.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/mojtaba-khamenei-has-amassed-international-investments-amid-widespread-economic-hardship-at-home/ZEIN6BP7OZANTHRDPOGCOOBYO4

1 hour ago, khaosokman said:

The Guardian is Atheist propaganda

I assume that you have read the Guardian for a sufficient period of time to enable you reach that opinion!

PS; I somehow doubt it!

6 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Looks like he's bombed as many places as wars he has claimed to have stopped.

Wasn't that always the threat, when he didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize?

7 hours ago, sungod said:

If it means stopping a bunch of Islamist nutcases (who call for the death of the West) from getting a nuclear bomb, then I guess you must be right.

Thanks, next question?

Even arch conservative senator Ted Cruz has admitted that Iran was not close to having nuclear weapons.

Ted Cruz: ‘No indication’ that Iran was ‘close to getting nuclear weapons’

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) on Sunday said there was “no indication” that Tehran was “close to getting nuclear weapons” after the United States struck several Iranian nuclear facilities

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5762576-ted-cruz-iran-nuclear-strike/

6 hours ago, johng said:

You obviously haven't heard of 'the samson option' or that the assassinated Ayatollah had issued an order banning the development of nuclear weapons

or that the International Atomic Energy Agency said that Iran was not producing nuclear weapons or that director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard believed Iran wasn’t building a nuclear weapon..but hey ho just go blow everything up anyway...yee haaa.

You are the wrong part of the forum mate, the thread you should be on is ‘what good weed are you smoking now?’

3 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Even arch conservative senator Ted Cruz has admitted that Iran was not close to having nuclear weapons.

Ted Cruz: ‘No indication’ that Iran was ‘close to getting nuclear weapons’

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) on Sunday said there was “no indication” that Tehran was “close to getting nuclear weapons” after the United States struck several Iranian nuclear facilities

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5762576-ted-cruz-iran-nuclear-strike/

That’s what they said about North Korea for years. Besides, not close (your words) shows they were pursuing one.

Anyway, taking out a nutcase who slaughters his own people for not wanting to wear a head scarf can’t be a bad thing, or do you support that kind of thing?

5 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

I assume that you have read the Guardian for a sufficient period of time to enable you reach that opinion!

PS; I somehow doubt it!

The Guardian does have an overt bias on multiple issues, just as Sky News, Fox, China News, Press TV, News Max et al have bias.

8 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

So the money that was obligated to be sent into Gaza was sent in secret? That is to laugh.

As for Netanyahu having little say, the Israelis are masterful at coming up with excuses for obstruction.

Your verbal gymnastics and convoluted argument intended to blame Israel for the funding of Hamas is what is laughable nothing else. The money transfers from Israel to Gaza were not secret and were transparent. They had to be, because they were for the payment of salaries of "government workers" and for humanitarian purposes. The transfers were done under the supervision of the EU and UN.

Money also entered Gaza from Egypt at Rafah. You know, the big Arab country that borders Gaza. The money entered by transfers, by courier and by smuggler.

8 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

I assume that you have read the Guardian for a sufficient period of time to enable you reach that opinion!

PS; I somehow doubt it!

Making it personal is a sure sign you have nothing.

11 hours ago, khaosokman said:

The Guardian is Atheist propaganda

The Guardian is reporting on a report from elsewhere. The Guardian didn't write the story, and they are not the only one reporting on it. The Baptist Standard wrote an opnion piece about the reports. You could hardly accuse them of being "atheists".

https://baptiststandard.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-examining-this-talk-of-armageddon/

Another religious tome also reported

https://baptistnews.com/article/us-military-personnel-object-to-armageddon-talk/

And others

https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/us-troops-told-war-on-iran-is-part-of-god-s-divine-plan-alleges-religious-watchdog

The report originated from the Military Religious Freedom Foundation

https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/

The founder of this Foundation is a former US Army officer, and a Jew.

https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/michael-l-mikey-weinstein/

On 3/4/2026 at 11:47 PM, still kicking said:

US submarine sinks Iranian warship - 80 dead, many missing Benedict Brook An Iranian warship sunk in international waters in the Indian Ocean was struck by a US submarine. At least 80 Iranian sailors are dead and bodies are still being recovered after the IRIS Dena was hit on Wednesday. “An Iranian warship … thought it was safe in international waters,”  saud US Defence Secretary Pete HegsethUS-Iran war live updates: US admits sinking Iranain warship in international waters, more than 100 missing | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site for latest headlines.

Not much different than bombing "drug boats" in the Caribbean. The US imperialists own the seas and lands--not!

14 hours ago, sungod said:

That’s what they said about North Korea for years. Besides, not close (your words) shows they were pursuing one.

Anyway, taking out a nutcase who slaughters his own people for not wanting to wear a head scarf can’t be a bad thing, or do you support that kind of thing?

Do you even understand the plain meaning of English words? 'Not close' does not mean they were pursuing one. It simply means they were not close. Various US intelligence assessments have concluded that the Iranians were not developing nuclear weapons.

Here are the actual words of Tulsi Gabbard, Director of US National Intelligence.

DNI Gabbard Opening Statement as Delivered to the HPSCI on the 2025 Annual Threat Assessment of the U.S. Intelligence Community

The IC continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and Supreme leader Khomeini has not authorized the nuclear weapons program that he suspended in 2003.

https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/congressional-testimonies/congressional-testimonies-2025/4061-ata-hpsci-opening-statement-as-delivered

The other part of your post is a total straw man argument - arguing that the other person has said something that they never actually said.

38 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Do you even understand the plain meaning of English words? 'Not close' does not mean they were pursuing one. It simply means they were not close. Various US intelligence assessments have concluded that the Iranians were not developing nuclear weapons.

Here are the actual words of Tulsi Gabbard, Director of US National Intelligence.

DNI Gabbard Opening Statement as Delivered to the HPSCI on the 2025 Annual Threat Assessment of the U.S. Intelligence Community

The IC continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and Supreme leader Khomeini has not authorized the nuclear weapons program that he suspended in 2003.

https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/congressional-testimonies/congressional-testimonies-2025/4061-ata-hpsci-opening-statement-as-delivered

The other part of your post is a total straw man argument - arguing that the other person has said something that they never actually said.

Seems to be you struggling with English language, not close means they haven't got one yet. Not close does not mean they have no intention, or no intention would have been the words they use.

Tulsi Gabbard said they could produce a nuclear bomb. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c056zqn6vvyo

And lastly, dont you think it was right to kill a man who continues to slaughter his own people, or did you support his mass murder?

15 hours ago, sungod said:

You are the wrong part of the forum mate, the thread you should be on is ‘what good weed are you smoking now?’

Have a listen to the first couple of minutes of this from George W Bush...sound familiar ?

yep the exact same lies all over again, sheesh what do you have to be smoking to believe this rubbish ?

On 3/4/2026 at 11:47 PM, still kicking said:

US submarine sinks Iranian warship - 80 dead, many missing Benedict Brook An Iranian warship sunk in international waters in the Indian Ocean was struck by a US submarine. At least 80 Iranian sailors are dead and bodies are still being recovered after the IRIS Dena was hit on Wednesday. “An Iranian warship … thought it was safe in international waters,”  saud US Defence Secretary Pete HegsethUS-Iran war live updates: US admits sinking Iranain warship in international waters, more than 100 missing | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site for latest headlines.

Tiny Petie is gloating over the deaths of men who were attacked In cold blood, ones who had nothing to do with the battle at hand. It really shows you who he is, and who he represents.

Hillary Clinton was a little bit early in her pronouncement of who the deplorables truly are.