3 hours ago, Artisi said:

Just do it, 1 strike is enough.

Ahh, another champian for free speech.

24 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Trump is mentioned in the ones that are visible 1500 times.

I am guessing when your house shows signs of smoke, you wait until the roof is in flames before calling the fire brigade.

So?

Every call that comes in has to be investigated, and transcribed.

Every time a caller mentions Trump, it counts as Trump being mentioned in the Epstein files.

Every discussion of the call has to be recorded, and every time Trump is mentioned in the discussion, it counts as Trump being mentioned in the Epstein files.

The Biden DOJ spent four years trying find anything in the Epstein files they could hang Trump with, and they found nothing. But every time the Biden DOJ discussed any aspect of Trump in regard to Epstein, it counted as Trump being mentioned in the Epstein files.

Four long years of the Biden DOJ doing everything possible to hang Trump, and they came up with nothing. They did not even find anything worth leaking.

And why are none of Trump's "victims: speaking out? They would be heroes of the left, and paid to be on every leftist talk show, podcast and university.

I'm surprised Trump is not mentioned 150,000 times.

22 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

He would have been treated well like those sailors and he would have been an illegal alien with bombs - how would a person like that be treated in the US ? Most probably be dead. Did he get a visa before setting out to bomb people and let's not forget the girl's school. The Iranians know all their stories their smiles and joy that was snuffed out by a US high explosive bomb that shredded their short lives as they went to school. A far as I know in Iran they don't get tooled up and reguarly masacre their own schools like the US. Savage people these Iranians.

Do you believe that Iran should be allowed to further develop their intercontinental missile program, and continue to develop the nuclear warheads to put on them?

21 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Do you believe that Iran should be allowed to further develop their intercontinental missile program, and continue to develop the nuclear warheads to put on them?

Yes - next question in an ideal world no and whilst we're at it what about Israel should they open their nuclear weapons to international inspection ?

54 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Yes -

I do not.

54 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

next question in an ideal world no and whilst we're at it what about Israel should they open their nuclear weapons to international inspection ?

So, you think Iran should have nuclear warheads, but not Israel, that's interesting. Israel has had nuclear weapons for over 50 years, and they have not used them, nor have they (as far as I know) threatened to use them.

In any event, if Israel started chanting death to America, I would support taking out their capacity.

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

So?

Every call that comes in has to be investigated, and transcribed.

Every time a caller mentions Trump, it counts as Trump being mentioned in the Epstein files.

Every discussion of the call has to be recorded, and every time Trump is mentioned in the discussion, it counts as Trump being mentioned in the Epstein files.

The Biden DOJ spent four years trying find anything in the Epstein files they could hang Trump with, and they found nothing. But every time the Biden DOJ discussed any aspect of Trump in regard to Epstein, it counted as Trump being mentioned in the Epstein files.

Four long years of the Biden DOJ doing everything possible to hang Trump, and they came up with nothing. They did not even find anything worth leaking.

And why are none of Trump's "victims: speaking out? They would be heroes of the left, and paid to be on every leftist talk show, podcast and university.

I'm surprised Trump is not mentioned 150,000 times.

How do you know that the Biden administration didn't find anything. IMHO it comes down to several DOJ and those administrations are involved in the coverup to protect the rich and powerful who contribute to both parties and they all seem to stick together at some point.

There's alot of supsicous stuff about this rescue and a lot of caveating about the reports I put the Times of Isarel's latest report on the rescue through Gemini - which in this instance I consider is worthy of repeating in full ; This is what it said;

Original article;

https://www.timesofisrael.com/downed-us-airman-said-to-have-directed-strikes-on-iranian-positions-from-hiding-place/

In the high-stakes world of military PR during a conflict, reports are rarely just "the facts." They are often crafted to maintain morale, justify expensive hardware losses, and project an image of invincibility.

Looking at this Times of Israel report from April 6, 2026, there are several "red flags" where the narrative seems to be "polished" to hide potential failures or technical embarrassments.

1. The "Invincible Hider" Narrative

• The Claim: The downed weapons officer scaled a 7,000-foot ridgeline while injured and directed airstrikes like a real-life action hero.

• The Suspicion: Ejecting from a fighter jet is a violent, bone-shattering event. Most pilots suffer spinal compressions or broken limbs. The idea that he then "hiked" up a mountain while being "pursued by bloodthirsty guards" sounds like a script from a 1960s Victor comic.

• The Polish: This narrative shifts the focus away from the fact that a multi-billion dollar stealth F-15EX was successfully shot down by an adversary whose air defenses were supposedly "100% destroyed."

2. The "Holy <deleted>" Sand Trap

• The Claim: The wheels of the rescue C-130s got "stuck in the sand," requiring a desperate second rescue mission.

• The Suspicion: The U.S. military is the world leader in desert logistics. They have spent decades landing C-130s (which are designed for "unimproved" runways) in the Middle East.

• The Polish: Calling it a "holy <deleted> moment" and a "makeshift airstrip failure" humanizes the error as a "freak accident" rather than a failure of intelligence or planning. It also explains away why the mission took two days to complete, which is an eternity in enemy territory.

3. The "CIA Magic" Black Box

• The Claim: A "special piece of technology unique to the CIA" was used to confirm his identity.

• The Suspicion: This is a classic intelligence community trope.

• The Polish: Whenever there is a gap in a story—like why it took 14 hours to find a man with a GPS emergency beacon—officials often cite "secret technology" to end the line of questioning and make a disorganized search look like a high-tech success.

4. Timeline Inconsistencies

There is a direct contradiction in the report regarding the "first contact":

• Trump/Axios Version: The airman radioed "God is good" immediately upon ejecting.

• The NYT/Military Version: There was "no sign of life" for 14 hours because he was "unconscious."

If he was unconscious for 14 hours, he couldn't have radioed the President. This suggests the "God is good" quote was likely manufactured for political effect—to appeal to a specific domestic audience—while the military was actually panicking because they had lost track of him.

5. The "Scrapped Statement"

• The Report: CENTCOM was about to announce the plane was down but "scrapped it" to keep the second airman's existence secret.

• The Suspicion: If the Iranians shot the plane down, they already knew there were two seats in an F-15EX. You don't "keep a secret" from the people who just watched the plane explode.

• The Polish: This explains why Trump was "uncharacteristically silent." It turns a moment of presidential indecision or a communication breakdown into a "strategic silence" for the safety of the troops.

Strategic Summary

The US is likely polishing this to hide two major things:

1. Air Defense Reality: Iran’s air defenses are far more capable than the Pentagon is admitting to the public.

2. Resource Drain: The cost of this single rescue (losing two C-130s and four MH-6 helicopters, which they had to bomb themselves) is staggering.

52 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I do not.

So, you think Iran should have nuclear warheads, but not Israel, that's interesting. Israel has had nuclear weapons for over 50 years, and they have not used them, nor have they (as far as I know) threatened to use them.

In any event, if Israel started chanting death to America, I would support taking out their capacity.

Death to Taxes , Down with the Inland Revenue !

38 minutes ago, Presnock said:

How do you know that the Biden administration didn't find anything.

Because at the very least they would have leaked it. And why would they not prosecute him?

38 minutes ago, Presnock said:

IMHO it comes down to several DOJ and those administrations are involved in the coverup to protect the rich and powerful who contribute to both parties and they all seem to stick together at some point.

Craziness.

And five years later, hundreds of people in the DOJ had still remained silent, as have all the "victims".

Anyone coming forward with anything significant against Trump would instantly be made rich and famous.

18 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Death to Taxes , Down with the Inland Revenue !

Weak

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Weak

I could spend more time but I'm going out - it's starter for 10 as they say. Beautiful spring Easter Monday in the UK which is led by a sane if slightly boring man thankfully and a muslim mayor for my manor. All is good.

1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I could spend more time but I'm going out - it's starter for 10 as they say. Beautiful spring Easter Monday in the UK which is led by a sane if slightly boring man thankfully and a muslim mayor for my manor. All is good.

Ah yes, if only you had more time. Go with God brother!

17 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Because at the very least they would have leaked it. And why would they not prosecute him?

Craziness.

And five years later, hundreds of people in the DOJ had still remained silent, as have all the "victims".

Anyone coming forward with anything significant against Trump would instantly be made rich and famous.

well, IMHO anyway, we have historically seen that Trump loves to sue people for ungodly amounts of money. I personally think that many of those young ladies signed non-disclosure agreements for large sums of money and now regret maybe signing those documents with some lawyers telling them they could be sued for the money they took while others maybe are telling them to come forward so that those guilty people can be brought to justice. Trump was Epstein's best buddies for a couple of decades when he and Epstein were hanging around with very young women in beauty contests. I think just like all the other countries I have lived and worked in around the world including this country, the rich and powerful can get away with crimes that "regular" folks can not. if you have been here a while you are well aware of this already.

15 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Ah yes, if only you had more time. Go with God brother!

That’s the spirit !Because for all our manufactured anger and forum blowhardery, we’re really just a collection of inconsequential wastrels, eking out our limited time scoring points off random strangers. We’re watching a once-great Thai expat site lurch toward its eventual demise a perfect microcosm of the USA.

Trump isn't making America 'Great Again'; he’s dismantling its image and its global consequence in real-time. It’s a tragic irony: you’re trying to spin a tale of 'American Exceptionalism' out of a mission that was, by any objective standard, a tale of failure and decline.Thay lost a multi-million dollar jet to an adversary we claimed was toothless, trashed millions in rescue gear, and nearly lost two airmen. To call that a victory is like calling a house fire a 'successful heating test.' The 'shining city on a hill' is looking more like a flickering bulb as we head into the April 7th deadline at 8pm exactly. Make sure to f^^cking tune in to see Imperial Might in action - bomb,kill,bomb,kill to which the Iranians have said go on then....

It's like saying Make Thai Visa Great Again - you know that can't happen and you know why and that is America - as they say do the math. Every dog has it's day and that includes us all.

9 hours ago, JimCM said:

Huh? I don't think Iran is a remarkable nation.

Why would that thrill you?

Strange troll post.

It appears that your views align with white supremacist ideologies.

1 minute ago, nick supreme said:

It appears that your views align with white supremacist ideologies.

2 minutes ago, nick supreme said:

It appears that your views align with white supremacist ideologies.

2 minutes ago, nick supreme said:

It appears that your views align with white supremacist ideologies.

If you say so.

56 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Death to Taxes , Down with the Inland Revenue !

Taxes are the cost associated with living in a civilized society.

2 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Yes - next question in an ideal world no and whilst we're at it what about Israel should they open their nuclear weapons to international inspection ?

That will not get you any intelligent answer, as there is none.

13 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

That’s the spirit !Because for all our manufactured anger and forum blowhardery, we’re really just a collection of inconsequential wastrels, eking out our limited time scoring points off random strangers. We’re watching a once-great Thai expat site lurch toward its eventual demise a perfect microcosm of the USA.

Trump isn't making America 'Great Again'; he’s dismantling its image and its global consequence in real-time. It’s a tragic irony: you’re trying to spin a tale of 'American Exceptionalism' out of a mission that was, by any objective standard, a tale of failure and decline.Thay lost a multi-million dollar jet to an adversary we claimed was toothless, trashed millions in rescue gear, and nearly lost two airmen. To call that a victory is like calling a house fire a 'successful heating test.' The 'shining city on a hill' is looking more like a flickering bulb as we head into the April 7th deadline at 8pm exactly. Make sure to f^^cking tune in to see Imperial Might in action - bomb,kill,bomb,kill to which the Iranians have said go on then....

It's like saying Make Thai Visa Great Again - you know that can't happen and you know why and that is America - as they say do the math. Every dog has it's day and that includes us all.

That’s one of the sharper reads of the situation I’ve seen in my time on this forum - because it doesn’t just swing punches, it steps back and looks at the whole theatre.

There’s something oddly familiar in the way these cycles play out - a loud insistence that everything is under control, that setbacks are actually wins, that decline is just “misunderstood strength.” We saw that style amplified by Donald Trump - where the narrative becomes the product, not the reality.

Forums drift the same way - what starts as useful exchange turns into performance. Positions harden, nuance disappears, and people argue to win rather than understand. It stops being a community and becomes a stage.

Your point about a once-great site slipping works because it’s bigger than the site itself - it’s about entropy. Things don’t collapse all at once - they fray, overstate their wins, ignore warning signs, and eventually the gap between image and reality becomes too obvious to ignore.

The irony is trying to sell “exceptionalism” while visibly managing decline - whether that’s a country or a forum thread. The tension shows.

And the “Make X Great Again” idea carries the same flaw wherever it’s used - it assumes the past can be restored, when most things either adapt or fade.

Every dog has its day - and that applies across the board.

Probably a good time to take my leave - all the best. It's been an interesting journey.

7 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Yikes. I expect that the Mr. Cut & Paste of AI generated answers is going to appear and do a major dump of incomplete out of context information. 😁

Or maybe Mr. Evidence-Shmevidence will keep on inventing facts and offering arguments based on faulty premises.

On 4/4/2026 at 11:55 PM, JimCM said:

ONE pilot is missing.
Say his name. Show his photo.
Run it on every channel.

Do you care?

Because—

165 schoolgirls are dead.
No names. No photos.
Just a number you scroll past.

So let’s be honest—

Do you care about one American life…
only because it’s American?

Do you call him a hero, even if 60% of Americans are against the illegal war, and call the others “collateral”?

If you demand he be brought home-
do you also demand an answer for them?

Or is empathy something we issue…
like passports?

Stop citing poll numbers as if they have any significance. It's easy enough to arrange polls to go the way you want them to go.

One American soldier caught and paraded in front of the world, and possibly beheaded publically would be a humiliation of the highest degree. Would you like to see him tortured and beheaded publicly? This is what these maniacs are capable of. It's more than the life of one soldier at stake here. They hate you - and they would like you dead too. The people who voted against this war are morons. They would rather have a nuclear war than have Trump as president.

4 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Bring out the tar and feathers. I was relying on memory when I posted 44. It should have been 14.

Not having read The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, I'll have to take your word for its contents.

Let me try to connect the dots for you.

The Epstein files have never been fully released. The contents that have are full of clumsy redactions. Trump is mentioned 1500 times in what is visible.

Mossad is widely acknowledged, even by its opponents, as one of the finest intelligence organisations on the planet.

Epstein was Jewish. He may even have been a sayanim.

Attacking me as antisemitic is argument ad hominem, demonstrating you are either too lazy or too intellectually feeble to discuss a hypothesis with any honesty.

No, it shouldn't have been 14 million either or even 15.7 million which is the number I found for Jews currently alive today.. I don't know how many millions of jews there have been in existence since the creation of the Nobel Prize in 1901 but surely the number has got to be a lot higher than 14 million or 15.7 million. Unless of course Jewish people are immortal. (Maybe Holocaust deniers could use that as a defense of the Nazis?) I did read a report that Albert Einstein was recently spotted in a bar in Tijuana trading shots of tequila with Elvis. So maybe there's something to that?

1 hour ago, Presnock said:

well, IMHO anyway, we have historically seen that Trump loves to sue people for ungodly amounts of money. I personally think that many of those young ladies signed non-disclosure agreements for large sums of money and now regret maybe signing those documents with some lawyers telling them they could be sued for the money they took while others maybe are telling them to come forward so that those guilty people can be brought to justice. Trump was Epstein's best buddies for a couple of decades when he and Epstein were hanging around with very young women in beauty contests. I think just like all the other countries I have lived and worked in around the world including this country, the rich and powerful can get away with crimes that "regular" folks can not. if you have been here a while you are well aware of this already.

Stormy signed an NDA.

Every leftist billionaire would step up to defend and fund them. It does not wash.

1 hour ago, JensenZ said:

Would you like to see him tortured and beheaded publicly?

The OP would <deleted> to it.

5 minutes ago, TedG said:

The OP would <deleted> to it.

But the beheading would have to wait until after the midterms

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

But the beheading would have to wait until after the midterms

Unlike the US that sank an Iranian ship in international waters and did nothing to help the survivors Iran would have no doubt treated him with kindness and compassion something you trumpist zionusts have no comprehension of.

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1 hour ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Unlike the US that sank an Iranian ship in international waters and did nothing to help the survivors Iran would have no doubt treated him with kindness and compassion something you trumpist zionusts have no comprehension of.

.

I thought we sank over sixty Iranian scows, no? Praise Allah!

8 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Yes - next question in an ideal world no and whilst we're at it what about Israel should they open their nuclear weapons to international inspection ?

Israel's nuclear capability is often called the Samson Option, after the Biblical strong man who pulled down a pagan temple on top of himself and the Philistines, the enemy of the Jews. Samson died, but he took thousands of the Philistines with him. That is one of the most frequently told Biblical stories in Israel and children hear it from a very early age.

It's widely believed that if Israel's enemies ever came close to crushing the Jewish state and wiping out its people, a nuclear bomb would be dropped on Mecca. That would destroy the Kaaba, the holiest site in Islam. The psychological effect on the world's 1.4 billion Muslims would be devastating beyond anything previously known to man.

The Samson Option is nuclear deterrence in its most perfect form. For the first time in history, a minority threatened with extinction has the power to defend itself. Unlike the European Jews of WWII, Armenians, Tutsis, Sudan Christians, Tibetans, Rohyngya, Native American tribes and other groups that have suffered attempts at genocide, the Jews of Israel can stand up effectively to their would-be killers.

Israel has told its Arab and Muslim enemies, "If we go down, we'll take you with us." That is the best guarantee for the survival of Israel and Jewish people all over the world.

Never again is now!

Made in THAILAND !

1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

Israel's nuclear capability is often called the Samson Option, after the Biblical strong man who pulled down a pagan temple on top of himself and the Philistines, the enemy of the Jews. Samson died, but he took thousands of the Philistines with him. That is one of the most frequently told Biblical stories in Israel and children hear it from a very early age.

It's widely believed that if Israel's enemies ever came close to crushing the Jewish state and wiping out its people, a nuclear bomb would be dropped on Mecca. That would destroy the Kaaba, the holiest site in Islam. The psychological effect on the world's 1.4 billion Muslims would be devastating beyond anything previously known to man.

The Samson Option is nuclear deterrence in its most perfect form. For the first time in history, a minority threatened with extinction has the power to defend itself. Unlike the European Jews of WWII, Armenians, Tutsis, Sudan Christians, Tibetans, Rohyngya, Native American tribes and other groups that have suffered attempts at genocide, the Jews of Israel can stand up effectively to their would-be killers.

Israel has told its Arab and Muslim enemies, "If we go down, we'll take you with us." That is the best guarantee for the survival of Israel and Jewish people all over the world.

Never again is now!

The threat of nuclear annihilation hasn't deterred Iran.