Donald Trump's farcical/tragic second term progresses, and the USA's allies are increasingly estranged with the economy of the World crashing in Trump's wake.

Relations with the USA's nearest and most important neighbour Canada, have descended to open scorn and hostility, with Trump's idiotic rudeness and persistent ridiculous demands completely to blame.

Denmark, Germany, Italy, France, Spain, the UK and all of Europe head the list of those estranged with most of South America. God only knows what major World powers like India and China are thinking. Whatever will be left of the Middle East when the madness of this war abates?

How anyone can still support Trump and how he got elected in the first place defies imagination, particularly when you see that the USA has so many brilliant, principled and clever people.

Already cemented in History as the WORST President the USA has ever had, Trump's only remaining Friends seem to be the despicable Putin and the murderous Israeli PM, Netanyahu.

I wonder if any of the MAGA supporters here are repentant of their own part in this chaos ?

Edited May 3May 3 by TorquayFan

Europe has some important decisions to make, and the more they can distance themselves from the US, this ridiculously toxic administration, andisa4 and their an incredibly unreliable ally, the better off they'll be in the long run. That applies to any nation.

Trump is making America less relevant and less influential by the day and driving our allies towards China. The Goon represents a wet dream for Xi and Putin.

Europe Is Dumping American Tech — And Trump Is the Reason

France just did something extraordinary.

It didn’t issue a press release.

It didn’t threaten sanctions.

It didn’t grandstand.

It quietly ripped every major American tech platform out of its government.

Microsoft Teams? Gone.

Zoom? Deleted.

Gmail? Au revoir.

That’s 2.5 million French public-sector workers no longer using American software. France alone will save roughly $30 million a year that used to flow straight into Silicon Valley.

And France isn’t an outlier.

Germany has begun phasing out Microsoft, saving an estimated €15 million annually. Austria, Denmark, Switzerland — all moving in the same direction. Across Europe, governments are abandoning U.S. tech at scale.

This isn’t symbolic.

This is billions of dollars walking out the door. Europe didn’t do this because it hates American innovation. It did it because the United States has become a national security risk.

When you elect a leader who openly threatens allies, ignores treaties, and treats NATO like a real-estate negotiation, you don’t just destabilise diplomacy — you poison trust.

European governments finally asked a very rational question:

“Why are we running our state infrastructure on systems controlled by a country that might turn hostile, unpredictable, or transactional overnight?”

That question has an obvious answer. You don’t.

Trump Didn’t Bring Jobs Back — He Drove Customers Away

Trump sold himself as the guy who would bring jobs back to America.

What he’s actually done is push entire markets to build alternatives.

Europe isn’t just cancelling subscriptions.

It’s funding competitors.

Domestic cloud platforms.

European communication tools.

Sovereign data infrastructure.

Trump didn’t weaken Microsoft and Google with regulation.

He did it with recklessness.

Through sheer incompetence, the goon has achieved what China and Russia have been trying to do for years: fracture American technological dominance. And the irony?

U.S. tech companies are now begging Europe to stay — quietly assuring governments that they’re “independent” from Washington.

That’s not strength.

That’s damage control.

Our Adversaries Are Delighted

While American companies scramble, China and Russia are watching this unfold like Christmas morning.

No cyberattack.

No sanctions.

No espionage.

Just the U.S. torching its own credibility.

When Europe builds its own digital ecosystem, American leverage shrinks — economically, politically, and strategically. Influence isn’t just aircraft carriers anymore. It’s standards, platforms, and trust.

Trump is dismantling all three.

The Part Americans Don’t Want to Hear?

Seventy-five million Americans looked at this man — the chaos, the threats, the ignorance — and voted for it. Twice.

Not by accident.

Not unknowingly.

You wanted to “own the libs.”

Instead, you owned American companies out of billions, handed markets to competitors, and convinced allies that dependence on the U.S. is dangerous.

You didn’t stick it to Europe.

Europe walked away.

This Is the Real Cost of Trumpism

Not just rhetoric.

Not just embarrassment.

Structural, long-term economic damage.

France isn’t flipping America off.

It’s doing something far colder and more rational:

Planning for a future without the US? Honestly? Trump didn’t deserve loyalty.

American tech didn’t deserve this. But Europe’s response makes perfect sense.

When your ally starts acting like a liability, you stop depending on them.

And that’s exactly what’s happening.

Russia has much to gain from America's invasion of Iran, number one it legitimizes the war in Ukraine, number two it takes attention off the war in Ukraine, and number three it makes a case for strong arm, strong man tactics instead of diplomacy. In addition it gives them a chance to aid Iran, and make things difficult for America, and it has increased their revenue stream dramatically by driving up the price of oil.

China has everything to gain by Trump's War. He continues to push allies away from America and towards China, he continues to make China more influential, and for the first time in my lifetime he is actually making China a moral authority by default. On top of that his tariffs and trade wars have increased and strengthened China's hand around the world, and driven many more Nations into their fold.

Just now, spidermike007 said:

Europe has some important decisions to make, and the more they can distance themselves from the US, this ridiculously toxic administration, andisa4 and their an incredibly unreliable ally, the better off they'll be in the long run. That applies to any nation. <snip>

The worst part? Anyone with a functioning brain knows he is far too stupid, inept, and frankly uncaring to put all these policies in place. The real question - who is doing the coaching? Putin? Russell Vought? We all know that self-hating Steve Miller is controlling the mass deportation efforts. NONE of these people have the US citizens' interest at heart. Dark times ahead.

Trump does not deserve his name on a plastic outhouse, much less the Kennedy Center. He has done absolutely nothing to deserve this honor, and self honoring oneself is not exactly considered an act of nobility.

How to attract enemies, diminish influence, ruin prestige, and alienate allies. That should be the new Trump motto.

On a daily basis this man demonstrates additional levels of goonery, clown like behavior, and utter absurdness. What an incredibly sad and pathetic example of the human species he is.

Americans should be recoiling in horror at this demonstration of self aggrandizement, certainly the world is looking on with astonishment at the shame he is bringing upon a nation that used to be fairly great, but has descended into a land of chaos, mass murders, political division, shootings, criminality, homelessness, poverty, unemployment, silly levels of real inflation, and diminished influence.

The honor and the pride is completely gone, right out the window. Trump is trashing everything America used to stand for.

Edited May 3May 3 by spidermike007

Just now, spidermike007 said:

Trump does not deserve his name on a plastic outhouse, much less the Kennedy Center. He has done absolutely nothing to deserve this honor, and self honoring oneself is not exactly considered an act of nobility.

How to attract enemies, diminish influence, ruin prestige, and alienate allies. That should be the new Trump motto.

On a daily basis this man demonstrates additional levels of goonery, clown like behavior, and utter absurdness. What an incredibly sad and pathetic example of the human species he is.

Americans should be recoiling in horror at this demonstration of self aggrandizement, certainly the world is looking on with astonishment at the shame he is bringing upon a nation that used to be fairly great, but has descended into a land of chaos, mass murders, political division, shootings, criminality, homelessness, poverty, unemployment, silly levels of real inflation, and diminished influence.

The honor and the pride is completely gone, right out the window. Trump is trashing everything America used to stand for.

Dems always make the same mistake, running primarily on the "orange man bad" platform. We've all heard it, we want to hear a new tune. I'm holding hope for Gavin Newsome 2028. Most of his baggage he inherited from the previous California administration. I recently saw him on the Bill Maher show, he has serious credentials/accomplishments. The MOST important thing the Dems MUST do is have a fair primary. The way they shoved the last few candidates down the throats of "We, The People" is largely why they keep failing. Harris would NEVER have won a real primary. Hillary cheated and got caught. Biden should have bowed out like he indicated he would.

The next two major elections are the Dem's to win if they would just wake the hell up.

When Mary Trump published her book "Too Much and Never Enough" in 2020, I doubt even she could predict the damage Trump would do to America, and around the world.

Trump turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of bull. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W. look smart and articulate. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump. And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: 'My God… what… have… I… created?

Unappealing, unattractive, idiotic, incompetent, hateful, hurtful, abrasive, rude, blowhard, liar, cheater, thief, infantile, failure, loser, fraud, sexual abuser, incestuous, tax cheat, insurrectionist, un-American, dictator-loving dictator wannabe, out of control, sociopathic, convicted felon, toxic narcissist & brutish A-hole.

I think that one of the aspects that kind of solves the riddle of Trump, is his toxic mind and consciousness. I truly believe that within that inner cauldron that some would refer to as his mind exists a state of bitterness, hatred, disillusionment, racism, utter nastiness, the pathological desire for revenge against any orecrovrd slight, an incredible lack of fulfillment, loneliness and true despair. Of course much of that is masked by his bluster and his bragadachio, but we all know where that comes from.

Everything about the con-man referred to as Trump is unlikeable. He's everything wrong with the human animal, all stuffed into one specimen.

I really do find quite fascinating how offended Trump supporters get when you criticize him. Objectively speaking the man is likely the most offensive, most ignorant, and most ill informed politician of my lifetime. Every time he opens his mouth his incredible level of ignorance is on full display, he rarely ever talks about substance, and he spends the vast majority of his time name calling and criticizing everyone that he doesn't like.

Just now, HappyExpat57 said:

Dems always make the same mistake, running primarily on the "orange man bad" platform. We've all heard it, we want to hear a new tune. I'm holding hope for Gavin Newsome 2028. Most of his baggage he inherited from the previous California administration. I recently saw him on the Bill Maher show, he has serious credentials/accomplishments. The MOST important thing the Dems MUST do is have a fair primary. The way they shoved the last few candidates down the throats of "We, The People" is largely why they keep failing. Harris would NEVER have won a real primary. Hillary cheated and got caught. Biden should have bowed out like he indicated he would.

The next two major elections are the Dem's to win if they would just wake the hell up.

Generally speaking I like Newsom, but he's not well liked in California and a president cannot get elected without California.

I would love to see Beshear, but he has said he's not interested and he's likely to noble and too graceful a man for that very toxic office. Mark Kelly could make a good candidate, he has heroic credentials and he's an incredibly refreshing contrast to the unpatriotic lowlife street trash that currently occupies that office.

For the most part only super freaks and megalomaniacs run for that office these days.

Posts with derogatory nicknames, intentional misspellings, or personal remarks will be removed. Spell names correctly for all sides of the debate.

Trump is a habitual liar who has rolled back virtually all of his campaign promises.

As a European, I've felt for several years that US influence should diminish in all sectors.

False friends, false protectors, false liberators of people, tireless instigators of wars, imposing their dollar, their weapons, and their standards on the entire world, maintaining a confrontational relationship with their rivals : Russia and China, to name the main ones.

It was a vague impression that Trump's excesses confirmed.

Let us give thanks to this man, then, who makes us suffer in the short term but opens our eyes and allows us to choose finally our own destiny.

Just now, HappyExpat57 said:

The worst part? Anyone with a functioning brain knows he is far too stupid, inept, and frankly uncaring to put all these policies in place. The real question - who is doing the coaching? Putin? Russell Vought? We all know that self-hating Steve Miller is controlling the mass deportation efforts. NONE of these people have the US citizens' interest at heart. Dark times ahead.

Anyone with a functioning brain knows that Trump has one singular goal: To make as much money and to consolidate power to create a Trump Dynasty.
To reach his goal he will lie, cheat, and steal while thumbing his nose at average Americans and the US Constitution, as well as all international laws.
His friends and fellow corporate insiders make bank while America is relegated to third-world status by a mad-man who thinks a one hour video of him saying "Winning" makes him look anything but the demented narcissistic megalomaniac that he is. He will destroy the US and world economy while leveraging insider information to double or triple his wealth.

Just now, connda said:

Trump is a habitual liar who has rolled back virtually all of his campaign promises.

So in other words..... a politician.

When I started this thread many hours ago, I asked the question:-

"I wonder if any of the MAGA supporters here are repentant of their own part in this chaos ?"

It's interesting that none of the MAGA faithful have had ANYTHING to say, so far at least. So it appears that Trump's all-round parlous performance in this 2nd term, is simply indefensible.

Thanks to the many Posters who have replied, with more eloquence and detail than I. This farcical/tragic Presidency has set the World back by decades, (and we're not halfway in yet!).

Just now, blaze master said:

So in other words..... a politician.

You mean; The world's worst so-called politician ever!

Just now, spidermike007 said:

Europe has some important decisions to make, and the more they can distance themselves from the US, this ridiculously toxic administration, andisa4 and their an incredibly unreliable ally, the better off they'll be in the long run. That applies to any nation.

Trump is making America less relevant and less influential by the day and driving our allies towards China. The Goon represents a wet dream for Xi and Putin.

Europe Is Dumping American Tech — And Trump Is the Reason

France just did something extraordinary.

It didn’t issue a press release.

It didn’t threaten sanctions.

It didn’t grandstand.

It quietly ripped every major American tech platform out of its government.

Microsoft Teams? Gone.

Zoom? Deleted.

Gmail? Au revoir.

That’s 2.5 million French public-sector workers no longer using American software. France alone will save roughly $30 million a year that used to flow straight into Silicon Valley.

And France isn’t an outlier.

Germany has begun phasing out Microsoft, saving an estimated €15 million annually. Austria, Denmark, Switzerland — all moving in the same direction. Across Europe, governments are abandoning U.S. tech at scale.

This isn’t symbolic.

This is billions of dollars walking out the door. Europe didn’t do this because it hates American innovation. It did it because the United States has become a national security risk.

When you elect a leader who openly threatens allies, ignores treaties, and treats NATO like a real-estate negotiation, you don’t just destabilise diplomacy — you poison trust.

European governments finally asked a very rational question:

“Why are we running our state infrastructure on systems controlled by a country that might turn hostile, unpredictable, or transactional overnight?”

That question has an obvious answer. You don’t.

Trump Didn’t Bring Jobs Back — He Drove Customers Away

Trump sold himself as the guy who would bring jobs back to America.

What he’s actually done is push entire markets to build alternatives.

Europe isn’t just cancelling subscriptions.

It’s funding competitors.

Domestic cloud platforms.

European communication tools.

Sovereign data infrastructure.

Trump didn’t weaken Microsoft and Google with regulation.

He did it with recklessness.

Through sheer incompetence, the goon has achieved what China and Russia have been trying to do for years: fracture American technological dominance. And the irony?

U.S. tech companies are now begging Europe to stay — quietly assuring governments that they’re “independent” from Washington.

That’s not strength.

That’s damage control.

Our Adversaries Are Delighted

While American companies scramble, China and Russia are watching this unfold like Christmas morning.

No cyberattack.

No sanctions.

No espionage.

Just the U.S. torching its own credibility.

When Europe builds its own digital ecosystem, American leverage shrinks — economically, politically, and strategically. Influence isn’t just aircraft carriers anymore. It’s standards, platforms, and trust.

Trump is dismantling all three.

The Part Americans Don’t Want to Hear?

Seventy-five million Americans looked at this man — the chaos, the threats, the ignorance — and voted for it. Twice.

Not by accident.

Not unknowingly.

You wanted to “own the libs.”

Instead, you owned American companies out of billions, handed markets to competitors, and convinced allies that dependence on the U.S. is dangerous.

You didn’t stick it to Europe.

Europe walked away.

This Is the Real Cost of Trumpism

Not just rhetoric.

Not just embarrassment.

Structural, long-term economic damage.

France isn’t flipping America off.

It’s doing something far colder and more rational:

Planning for a future without the US? Honestly? Trump didn’t deserve loyalty.

American tech didn’t deserve this. But Europe’s response makes perfect sense.

When your ally starts acting like a liability, you stop depending on them.

And that’s exactly what’s happening.

Russia has much to gain from America's invasion of Iran, number one it legitimizes the war in Ukraine, number two it takes attention off the war in Ukraine, and number three it makes a case for strong arm, strong man tactics instead of diplomacy. In addition it gives them a chance to aid Iran, and make things difficult for America, and it has increased their revenue stream dramatically by driving up the price of oil.

China has everything to gain by Trump's War. He continues to push allies away from America and towards China, he continues to make China more influential, and for the first time in my lifetime he is actually making China a moral authority by default. On top of that his tariffs and trade wars have increased and strengthened China's hand around the world, and driven many more Nations into their fold.

agree but you forgot an important point .... he still has Bibi support LOL (Sarcasm intended)

Just now, connda said:

Anyone with a functioning brain knows that Trump has one singular goal: To make as much money and to consolidate power to create a Trump Dynasty.
To reach his goal he will lie, cheat, and steal while thumbing his nose at average Americans and the US Constitution, as well as all international laws.
His friends and fellow corporate insiders make bank while America is relegated to third-world status by a mad-man who thinks a one hour video of him saying "Winning" makes him look anything but the demented narcissistic megalomaniac that he is. He will destroy the US and world economy while leveraging insider information to double or triple his wealth.

Trump likely made a deal with the Deep State (Satan), and in exchange for them pulling the strings and making every decision they promised to enrich him to a spectacular degree with a lot of corrupt money, that not one morally bent Republican Senator or Congressman has complained about.

and because of his childish tantrums he wants to remove 5,000 troops from Europe, who cares, take them all and let him close all the US military bases in Europe, that's going to be fun when he finds himself without European support bases

Everyday it looks like he is in the pocket of Putin and Xi ,

he is certainly not working for America and it's people.

regards worgeordie

Just now, spidermike007 said:

Trump likely made a deal with the Deep State (Satan), and in exchange for them pulling the strings and making every decision they promised to enrich him to a spectacular degree with a lot of corrupt money, that not one morally bent Republican Senator or Congressman has complained about.

That would be the deep state the fascist lefties assured us didnt exist? It was a "conspiracy theory", remember?

Incredible to see so much saltiness so long after the DEI candidate got wrecked in the election

With what is Europe replacing Microsoft Outlook, Gmail and Zoom? I can't think of any European software (not operating systems) that are comparable. Teltext? LibreOffice?

I might consider abandoning some American software if the alternative was comparable.

Just now, Purdey said:

With what is Europe replacing Microsoft Outlook, Gmail and Zoom? I can't think of any European software (not operating systems) that are comparable. Teltext? LibreOffice?

I might consider abandoning some American software if the alternative was comparable.

I have done very nicely for ten years without Microsoft and Apple. I use Linux and its apps for everything, and I can't say I miss prolonged bootup times as the fatware gets assembled. or the daily patches needed to ward off hackers.

I suspect 95% of people have simple needs like mine, and don't require all the bells and whistles.

Just now, Purdey said:

With what is Europe replacing Microsoft Outlook, Gmail and Zoom? I can't think of any European software (not operating systems) that are comparable. Teltext? LibreOffice?

I might consider abandoning some American software if the alternative was comparable.

I asked, and the Google AI said this:

The reason Trumps pulling some of his Troops out of Germany ? The German Chancelor spoke to some german students having a go at Trump so he throws his toys out of the pram again. Petty and childish.

Due to Trump and Bibi Spirit Airlines a low cost Airline in the US have left passengers at Airports stranded as they collapse duel to fuel shortages. Strange Donny bragged were alright jack we have plenty of oil with enough Refinery's Tell that to the passengers left stranded and the staff employed by Spirit Airways.

here is a good point about the way Trump treats/disrespect other countries that used to be allies

Pavel told CNN this week that Trump needs to understand that European allies are “not the enemy,” despite “having a different opinion.”

“We are on the same side,” he told Amanpour. “What we want is fair treatment, and I believe that if European countries were involved at the beginning, that there would be much more willingness to take part.”

“When European countries were not treated as allies at the beginning and they are now blamed for being cowards, I fully understand that they take it, let’s say, unfair … We want to be fair allies,” Pavel said. “We have to talk to each other as equals, not as a dependent child.”

Czech Republic president on Trump’s anger with Europe over Iran war response: ‘We are not part of it’ https://au.yahoo.com/news/czech-republic-president-trump-anger-005525311.html

Even some GOP pols are rediscovering a fraction of the spine they discarded when bowing down to the orange MAGA Buddha.

Just now, SunnyinBangrak said:

That would be the deep state the fascist lefties assured us didnt exist? It was a "conspiracy theory", remember?

Incredible to see so much saltiness so long after the DEI candidate got wrecked in the election

That is the Deep State that has controled every president since at least a century ago. It's always about power and money and they're completely nonpartisan as their God is the golden calf.

Trump makes very few decisions on his own, he's incapable, he is simply not smart enough, and somebody's making these decisions for him.

Just now, BLMFem said:

False equivalence. That's like saying a shoplifter is just as bad as a murderer, or more suiting to who we're talking about, a pedo rapist.

Besides, you (MAGA) said he's NOT a politician,and that was one of the reasons you voted for him, remember?😆

I can't nor would i vote for Trump.

Stop lying.

Just now, spidermike007 said:

That is the Deep State that has controled every president since at least a century ago. It's always about power and money and they're completely nonpartisan as their God is the golden calf

So why even pick a side ? Its just the same coin wrapped in bs. Railing against Trump or any other politician is futile then.