4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I have just told you .

It was the morning call to prayer , no one would have arrived yet .

I suppose they were two bored youngsters who just wanted a laugh.

BTW, the soldier was suspended and disciplined

Well, that would be the first bloody time! They act with total impunity and no accountability. How many cases like this--and far worse--ever reach the public?

4 hours ago, save the frogs said:

So it was mostly psychological warfare.

They filmed it and posted it on social media to taunt the Muslim community.

Technically not a good example to back up the "war crimes" argument.

I think you meant to terrorise the Muslim community.

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

A bomb ?

It was a firecracker , a stun grenade, it just makes a big bang ..

Ever been in proximity to one of those, Nick. I have and I'm mostly deaf in one ear.

4 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Ever been in proximity to one of those, Nick. I have and I'm mostly deaf in one ear.

There was no one there though , the Mosque was empty

Fun or terror? And who told him that would be a good idea?

32 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Fun or terror? And who told him that would be a good idea?

A silly thing to do , he was punished for his actions

1 hour ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Well, that would be the first bloody time! They act with total impunity and no accountability. How many cases like this--and far worse--ever reach the public?

The man in question was indeed held accountable and punished for making a loud noise .

Hamas reward Palestinians for killing Israelis

6 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

There was no one there though , the Mosque was empty

So just to get you on the record.

Attacks on places of worship when nobody is on the premises is nothing at all to be concerned about, no need to be alarmed and should be dismissed as an irrelevance?

So these people are making a choice between the lesser of two evils.

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So just to get you on the record.

Attacks on places of worship when nobody is on the premises is nothing at all to be concerned about, no need to be alarmed and should be dismissed as an irrelevance?

No one at all has suggested that .

You are the first person to mention that.

Strawman question .

9 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The man in question was indeed held accountable and punished for making a loud noise .

Hamas reward Palestinians for killing Israelis

I thought we were talking about civilised, disciplined Israeli soldiers. In any event, it's not this one soldier, it's about the culture of IDF impunity.

Israeli soldiers have been charged for actions in Gaza, though the number of indictments is small relative to the allegations. Human rights groups criticize the Israeli military's investigative process, noting that many investigations into misconduct and potential war crimes are either stalled or closed without charges..

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

No one at all has suggested that .

You are the first person to mention that.

Strawman question .

9 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

I thought we were talking about civilised, disciplined Israeli soldiers. In any event, it's not this one soldier, it's about the culture of IDF impunity.

IDF are Human beings, just like everyone else .

They are not robotic perfect specimens who never do no wrong ,

The soldier who threw the stun grenade actied wrongly and was punished for his behavour .

That doesn't mean he's uncivilised , he just misbehaved and was punished .

Humans often misbehave , Israelis included

On 5/27/2026 at 8:17 PM, save the frogs said:

It's fake history. God would never identify with one particular group.

I'm happy to agree with you and give you credit for this post! Never have you ever said or made a truer claim on this forum!

If there is a so-called god, he is is a god for everyone! Unless there is several players in this advanced chess game where one action leads to multiple other reactions. But that's a bit more philosophical for this thread

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

IDF are Human beings, just like everyone else .

They are not robotic perfect specimens who never do no wrong ,

The soldier who threw the stun grenade actied wrongly and was punished for his behavour .

That doesn't mean he's uncivilised , he just misbehaved and was punished .

Humans often misbehave , Israelis included

Yeah, I guess shooting children could be classed as misbehaviour. No prosecutions, though. Just like any army, IDF protects its own, no matter how heinous their crimes.

16 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

the mere existence of Israel and the IDF is the best guarantee there will never again be another serious attempt at exterminating the world's Jews.

Such an attempt (exterminating the world's Jews) is a nonsensical fantasy in this day and age. It was even a fantasy back in the 1930s and 40s with 4 million Jewry living in North America.

They may well be butchered in large numbers in response to them butchering 50,000 Muslim women and children in the next next 1-2 decades.

But a serious attempt at total extermination, that would require one world power. The only possible way that will happen if is Islam and then radical Islam spreads throughout the world over the next century or so. In which case every non-Muslim will be getting the chop-chop.

You can stop with that psychotic paranoia of total Jewish extermination and Never Again is Now! it's primary school level of drama-queenery.

9 hours ago, Packer said:

Such an attempt (exterminating the world's Jews) is a nonsensical fantasy in this day and age. It was even a fantasy back in the 1930s and 40s with 4 million Jewry living in North America.

You and I have different definitions of "serious attempt." The Nazis succeeded in killing two-thirds of Europe's Jews, equivalent to nearly 40% of the world's Jews. I'd say that was a very serious attempt at wiping out all Jews.

The Nazis did Indeed have plans for exterminating all Jews, including Jews in N. America once the U.S. was defeated. They weren't able to carry out their plans because they lost the war, but the intent was there.

Based on their experience in the 1930s and 1940s, the Nazis didn't think any nation would take steps to save the Jews. They were mostly right about that. Several million Jewish lives could have been saved if more countries had been willing to accept Jewish refugees.

9 hours ago, Packer said:

They may well be butchered in large numbers in response to them butchering 50,000 Muslim women and children in the next next 1-2 decades.

But a serious attempt at total extermination, that would require one world power. The only possible way that will happen if is Islam and then radical Islam spreads throughout the world over the next century or so. In which case every non-Muslim will be getting the chop-chop.

Who is going to do the butchering of Jews in the next 1-2 decades? I know many Arab and Muslim countries and groups have the intention, but which of them has the means? The IDF won't stand by and allow Israeli Jews to be butchered and hopefully, the U.S., U.K. and other countries will still protect their Jewish citizens in 10 to 20 years.

It's possible attacks on Jews will increase in the near future, but they will fall short of butchery.

I certainly agree radical Islamists are the biggest threat the world's Jews. However, governments that tolerate the persecution of Jews could also come into power in non-Islamic countries. That is unlikely, but it's a possibility that can't be excluded. That's why we have to remain vigilant. Never Again is Now!

10 hours ago, Packer said:

You can stop with that psychotic paranoia of total Jewish extermination and Never Again is Now! it's primary school level of drama-queenery.

People who are concerned about another attempt to exterminate the world's Jews aren't being paranoid; there is plenty of historical and current evidence to justify such concern.

Incidents like the Bondi Beach shooting, the Manchester synagogue stabbing and daily assaults on Jews in the U.S. go way beyond a "primary school level of drama-queenery."

Antisemitism is much more than online slurs and graffiti on buildings.

Antisemitic violence at record high for Jews outside Israel

The number of people murdered as a result of antisemitic violence in Western countries reached a record high in 2025, according to figures compiled by Tel Aviv University.

The new report, published ahead of Israel's Holocaust Remembrance Day on April 14, shows that 20 Jews were murdered in four different deadly attacks last year, the highest number for more than 30 years.

https://www.dw.com/en/antisemitic-violence-at-record-high-for-jews-outside-israel/a-76781707

Assaults against U.S. Jews reach 46-year high

Physical assaults against Jewish people in the U.S. last year reached the highest levels since 1979, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) announced Wednesday.

https://www.axios.com/2025/04/22/adl-survey-antisemitc-incidents-record-level-2024

So for @Packer and all who sail with him:

20 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

People who are concerned about another attempt to exterminate the world's Jews aren't being paranoid; there is plenty of historical and current evidence to justify such concern.

Around 7.5 million Jewry live in the USA.

Every Israeli Jew could be butchered tomorrow, the Muslims could fully take over what is now Israel, and there would still be 7.5 million Jewry living in the USA.

Do you honestly believe that 7.5 million people in the USA could be hunted down and be exterminated in the USA? (along with the same number in the middle East, and little bits here and there in other countries they have spread to?)

Primary school drama-queenery if ever there was a case. 🙂

Edited May 29May 29 by Packer

22 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

No one at all has suggested that .

You are the first person to mention that.

Strawman question .

Absolutely not a strawman and you absolutely have argued against the seriousness of an attack a place of worship on the basis of it being empty at the time of the attack.

20 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

IDF are Human beings, just like everyone else .

They are not robotic perfect specimens who never do no wrong ,

The soldier who threw the stun grenade actied wrongly and was punished for his behavour .

That doesn't mean he's uncivilised , he just misbehaved and was punished .

Humans often misbehave , Israelis included

No Nick, the IDF is ‘a human being’ the IDF is an organization with a record of war crimes.

The behavior of obscene behavior of individuals within the IDF is a product of the organization’s culture.

When the IDF is directed against civilians, a war crimes, its members commit war crimes.

Occasionally one or two might get held to account for the criminality, occasionally that is.

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No Nick, the IDF is ‘a human being’ the IDF is an organization with a record of war crimes.

I was referring to the particular soldier in question, he is a human being and humans often act mischievously ,

Letting of stun grenade in a empty Mosque ISNT a war crime

Edited May 30May 30 by Nick Carter icp

22 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Absolutely not a strawman and you absolutely have argued against the seriousness of an attack a place of worship on the basis of it being empty at the time of the attack.

I was just pointing out that the Mosque was empty at the time, after the false claim that it was full of women and children .

I didn't say attacks on Mosques should be dismissed as an irrelevance .

You bought that suggestion to the table, = Strawman

50 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I was just pointing out that the Mosque was empty at the time, after the false claim that it was full of women and children .

I didn't say attacks on Mosques should be dismissed as an irrelevance .

You bought that suggestion to the table, = Strawman

You are clearly dismissing the attack on the grounds that the Mosque was empty at the time of the attack.

There have been attacks on other empty and even a disused place of worship.

I wonder what your position was on those occasions?!

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You are clearly dismissing the attack on the grounds that the Mosque was empty at the time of the attack.

I wasn't dismissing the loud noise/stun grenade at all , merely pointing out that the claim it was full of woman and children was incorrect .

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There have been attacks on other empty and even a disused place of worship.

I wonder what your position was on those occasions?!

What other places of worship had a big bang inside happen to them ?

I don't recall any other instances of a loud noise happening in other places .

(Now, do not give me examples of attempted arson and make out this is in the same category as an arson attack)

On 5/28/2026 at 2:16 PM, save the frogs said:

Stun grenade in a mosque full of women and children? Not sure ... any war crime laywers on here?

BTW, where did you get the info about "full of women and children?" info from ?

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

BTW, where did you get the info about "full of women and children?" info from ?

It was an assumption based on the fact that entire families generally attend religious services. This isn't a court of law, anyway. Like you've never made false statements.

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

It was an assumption based on the fact that entire families generally attend religious services. This isn't a court of law, anyway. Like you've never made false statements.

Even then, why didn't you then say Full of entire families , rather then full of women and children ?

Why did use woman and children ?

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Even then, why didn't you then say Full of entire families , rather then full of women and children ?

Why did use woman and children ?

I was drinking heavily when I posted that.

Jews running away from their own fellow child murdering war mongering nazi jews since ww2. A construct from day 0 to be able to start Israel, to ruin the entire western world, social welfare, culture and to ensure muslims and christians fight each other instead.

Is quite a difference with that too, same reason Putin started a war against nazi's as of ukraine war, that doesn't mean nazi's that used to be the enemy of jews, that means akenazi jews that seized power since ww2. They are the nazi's themself, and fooled us for decades.

Virtually any real orthodox jew even say this, and hate them. The jewish population even increased during WW2 lol. Irony is i came across the same 2 types in Thailand; they either are part of this satan army or they are against their own country entirely. I always wondered how that works, can a jew be accused of antisemitism too? As they speak the truth themselves, if you ask the right questions.

Easy to forget is that this 'october attacks' targeted people who were pro muslim and palestina, you really want to tell us that is who terrorists decided to murder, while the army on purpose not reacted for up to 10-13 hours? You have to lie a lot to yourself to buy that.

Terrorists deciding to attack the only minority of jews in israel, who are pro for them to have palestina and do their thing, if they had the power. Yeah let's murder those bastards to hurt israel, that makes sense. As well to magically have zero army ready for hours on end.

Edited May 30May 30 by Spider5511

22 hours ago, Hummin said:

I'm happy to agree with you and give you credit for this post! Never have you ever said or made a truer claim on this forum!

If there is a so-called god, he is is a god for everyone! Unless there is several players in this advanced chess game where one action leads to multiple other reactions. But that's a bit more philosophical for this thread

FYI ... you may or may NOT be interested.

Speaking of Jesus ... what about Moses?

Maybe this is obscure information that nobody cares about ...

Yes, Sigmund Freud famously believed Moses was not Jewish. In his controversial 1939 book, Moses and Monotheism, Freud argued that Moses was actually an Egyptian nobleman, likely a priest or follower of the monotheistic Pharaoh Akhenaten.

According to Freud's theory:

• The Origin: Moses was an Egyptian who chose the Hebrew people to carry on the monotheistic religion after Akhenaten's death. [1, 2]

• The Rebellion: The Hebrews ultimately rebelled against the strict, harsh demands of this Egyptian religion and assassinated Moses in the wilderness. [1, 2]

• The Legacy: Freud theorized that the collective guilt over murdering Moses caused the Jewish people to adopt his monotheistic teachings, heavily shaping the distinctive character and "intellectuality" of Judaism. [1, 2]