8 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

FYI ... you may or may NOT be interested.

Speaking of Jesus ... what about Moses?

Maybe this is obscure information that nobody cares about ...

Yes, Sigmund Freud famously believed Moses was not Jewish. In his controversial 1939 book, Moses and Monotheism, Freud argued that Moses was actually an Egyptian nobleman, likely a priest or follower of the monotheistic Pharaoh Akhenaten.

According to Freud's theory:

• The Origin: Moses was an Egyptian who chose the Hebrew people to carry on the monotheistic religion after Akhenaten's death. [1, 2]

• The Rebellion: The Hebrews ultimately rebelled against the strict, harsh demands of this Egyptian religion and assassinated Moses in the wilderness. [1, 2]

• The Legacy: Freud theorized that the collective guilt over murdering Moses caused the Jewish people to adopt his monotheistic teachings, heavily shaping the distinctive character and "intellectuality" of Judaism. [1, 2]

Interesting theory, but I honestly do not think it changes much of the history. After all, we are all God’s children, and our common mother came from Africa. 🌞

10 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

People who are concerned about another attempt to exterminate the world's Jews aren't being paranoid; there is plenty of historical and current evidence to justify such concern.

Incidents like the Bondi Beach shooting, the Manchester synagogue stabbing and daily assaults on Jews in the U.S. go way beyond a "primary school level of drama-queenery."

Antisemitism is much more than online slurs and graffiti on buildings.

Antisemitic violence at record high for Jews outside Israel

The number of people murdered as a result of antisemitic violence in Western countries reached a record high in 2025, according to figures compiled by Tel Aviv University.

The new report, published ahead of Israel's Holocaust Remembrance Day on April 14, shows that 20 Jews were murdered in four different deadly attacks last year, the highest number for more than 30 years.

https://www.dw.com/en/antisemitic-violence-at-record-high-for-jews-outside-israel/a-76781707

Assaults against U.S. Jews reach 46-year high

Physical assaults against Jewish people in the U.S. last year reached the highest levels since 1979, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) announced Wednesday.

The topic being discussed is the extermination of all Jewry on Earth. That every Jew would be hunted down and systematically executed. That all 7.5 million Jews living in North America would be executed by the governing power and militaries of North America because they are Jewry.

You post a link saying 20 Jews have been murdered.

20.

Your fairy tail notion that the governments and militaries of North America could start hunting and executing every Jew they find, and go through all 7.5 million, should they not flee to another location, is pure nonsensical primary school drama queenery of the highest order. 🙂

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59 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

FYI ... you may or may NOT be interested.

Speaking of Jesus ... what about Moses?

Maybe this is obscure information that nobody cares about ...

Yes, Sigmund Freud famously believed Moses was not Jewish. In his controversial 1939 book, Moses and Monotheism, Freud argued that Moses was actually an Egyptian nobleman, likely a priest or follower of the monotheistic Pharaoh Akhenaten.

According to Freud's theory:

• The Origin: Moses was an Egyptian who chose the Hebrew people to carry on the monotheistic religion after Akhenaten's death. [1, 2]

• The Rebellion: The Hebrews ultimately rebelled against the strict, harsh demands of this Egyptian religion and assassinated Moses in the wilderness. [1, 2]

• The Legacy: Freud theorized that the collective guilt over murdering Moses caused the Jewish people to adopt his monotheistic teachings, heavily shaping the distinctive character and "intellectuality" of Judaism. [1, 2]

I digged a bit deeper and it is quite interesting Save the Frogs. Thanks for the lead

The idea that Moses may have been Egyptian is interesting because Moses is normally seen as the great Hebrew lawgiver, the man who led the Israelites out of Egypt. If he was Egyptian, or strongly shaped by Egyptian culture, it changes the angle. Not the whole history, but the layers around it. It would mean that the man who led people out of Egypt may also have carried Egyptian education, language, religion, symbols, and political ideas with him. Then the story becomes less clean. Not only Hebrews versus Egyptians, but cultures mixing, breaking apart, and reshaping each other.

Judaism did not come from one clean source either. Its early roots are in Canaan and the Levant, but it was shaped by many cultures and historical events over time. If there were Israelite or Semitic groups living in Egypt, they would naturally have been influenced by Egyptian culture, language, religion, law, and symbols. Even if the Exodus story is not proven exactly as written, contact between Egypt and early Israelite/Canaanite people is very plausible.

Then came the Babylonian exile, which was a major turning point. Later, under Persian rule, Judaism developed further, and ideas like angels, demons, resurrection, judgment, and the struggle between good and evil may have become more defined. So Egypt matters. Babylon matters. Persia matters. Canaan matters. That is why the Moses-as-Egyptian theory is interesting. Not because it proves everything, but because it reminds us that religion is rarely pure from one source. It is shaped through contact, exile, power, trauma, language, myths, law, and survival.

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

I digged a bit deeper and it is quite interesting Save the Frogs. Thanks for the lead

The idea that Moses may have been Egyptian is interesting because Moses is normally seen as the great Hebrew lawgiver, the man who led the Israelites out of Egypt. If he was Egyptian, or strongly shaped by Egyptian culture, it changes the angle. Not the whole history, but the layers around it. It would mean that the man who led people out of Egypt may also have carried Egyptian education, language, religion, symbols, and political ideas with him. Then the story becomes less clean. Not only Hebrews versus Egyptians, but cultures mixing, breaking apart, and reshaping each other.

Judaism did not come from one clean source either. Its early roots are in Canaan and the Levant, but it was shaped by many cultures and historical events over time. If there were Israelite or Semitic groups living in Egypt, they would naturally have been influenced by Egyptian culture, language, religion, law, and symbols. Even if the Exodus story is not proven exactly as written, contact between Egypt and early Israelite/Canaanite people is very plausible.

Then came the Babylonian exile, which was a major turning point. Later, under Persian rule, Judaism developed further, and ideas like angels, demons, resurrection, judgment, and the struggle between good and evil may have become more defined. So Egypt matters. Babylon matters. Persia matters. Canaan matters. That is why the Moses-as-Egyptian theory is interesting. Not because it proves everything, but because it reminds us that religion is rarely pure from one source. It is shaped through contact, exile, power, trauma, language, myths, law, and survival.

I, too, think this is fascinating and have begun sorting some sources. Okay. So Moses is "The Lawgiver" because of the 10. If he were Egyptian, he would have been a polytheist. So where and when did monotheistic Judaism arise? The original exile from Egypt? Great stuff for speculation!

On 5/29/2026 at 10:53 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

IDF are Human beings, just like everyone else .

They are not robotic perfect specimens who never do no wrong ,

The soldier who threw the stun grenade actied wrongly and was punished for his behavour .

That doesn't mean he's uncivilised , he just misbehaved and was punished .

Humans often misbehave , Israelis included

And him, Nick, and him? I saw a chatty, charming, smiley female ex-Gaza soldier who gleefully declared, without a moment's hesitation, "I killed a 12-year old. But we were looking for babies."

This is the <deleted> Israel wants to hide. But if IDF soldiers are true believers in their Zionist cause, protecting the homeland and getting rid of Arabs (by any means necessary), then, of course, they believe they have done nothing wrong by these unspeakable and heartless atrocities.

Of course, you know well what these actions are reminiscent of. Genocide is genocide, no matter where, no matter when.

These soldiers are the norm, whipped up into blood-lust frenzy by fear and their fellow soldiers. The soldier takes over the morality that we all have.

There have been no consequences. No prosecutions, no sentences. Just impunity to keep on killing.

9 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

I, too, think this is fascinating and have begun sorting some sources. Okay. So Moses is "The Lawgiver" because of the 10. If he were Egyptian, he would have been a polytheist. So where and when did monotheistic Judaism arise? The original exile from Egypt? Great stuff for speculation!

Indeed Yes, that is where it becomes interesting. If Moses was Egyptian, he came from a culture full of gods, and royal power. Egypt also had the Akhenaten period, where one god, Aten, was lifted above the others, and it shows that monotheistic ideas were not impossible in Egypt.

Strict monotheistic Judaism probably did not appear fully formed, it developed over time, from “our God above other gods” toward one God only. So the bigger question is not only if Moses was Egyptian, but how much Egypt, Canaan, Babylon, and Persia all helped shape what later became Judaism.

12 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

You and I have different definitions of "serious attempt." The Nazis succeeded in killing two-thirds of Europe's Jews, equivalent to nearly 40% of the world's Jews. I'd say that was a very serious attempt at wiping out all Jews.

The Nazis did Indeed have plans for exterminating all Jews, including Jews in N. America once the U.S. was defeated. They weren't able to carry out their plans because they lost the war, but the intent was there.

Based on their experience in the 1930s and 1940s, the Nazis didn't think any nation would take steps to save the Jews. They were mostly right about that. Several million Jewish lives could have been saved if more countries had been willing to accept Jewish refugees.

Who is going to do the butchering of Jews in the next 1-2 decades? I know many Arab and Muslim countries and groups have the intention, but which of them has the means? The IDF won't stand by and allow Israeli Jews to be butchered and hopefully, the U.S., U.K. and other countries will still protect their Jewish citizens in 10 to 20 years.

It's possible attacks on Jews will increase in the near future, but they will fall short of butchery.

I certainly agree radical Islamists are the biggest threat the world's Jews. However, governments that tolerate the persecution of Jews could also come into power in non-Islamic countries. That is unlikely, but it's a possibility that can't be excluded. That's why we have to remain vigilant. Never Again is Now!

People who are concerned about another attempt to exterminate the world's Jews aren't being paranoid; there is plenty of historical and current evidence to justify such concern.

Incidents like the Bondi Beach shooting, the Manchester synagogue stabbing and daily assaults on Jews in the U.S. go way beyond a "primary school level of drama-queenery."

Antisemitism is much more than online slurs and graffiti on buildings.

Antisemitic violence at record high for Jews outside Israel

The number of people murdered as a result of antisemitic violence in Western countries reached a record high in 2025, according to figures compiled by Tel Aviv University.

The new report, published ahead of Israel's Holocaust Remembrance Day on April 14, shows that 20 Jews were murdered in four different deadly attacks last year, the highest number for more than 30 years.

https://www.dw.com/en/antisemitic-violence-at-record-high-for-jews-outside-israel/a-76781707

Assaults against U.S. Jews reach 46-year high

Physical assaults against Jewish people in the U.S. last year reached the highest levels since 1979, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) announced Wednesday.

https://www.axios.com/2025/04/22/adl-survey-antisemitc-incidents-record-level-2024

So for @Packer and all who sail with him:

Ev, I, too, believe Never Again Is Now. But I have a much broader vision than just Jews. Never again wars, never again bloodshed, never again violence. Never Again Is Now. In that world, there are no genocides.

So rather than saving the Jews, I focus on stopping wars, no matter their perpetrators or their victims..

The scales are not balanced. If Jews really want to survive in Israel, the ONLY way is to make peace with the surrounding Muslims! To think Israel can scare them off with shock-and-awe is delusional. There are so many of them and so few of you.

Yes, I would expect ALL nations, including Iran, who have Jewish populations to protect them from harm. There is not, however, any duty to protect Israel. Jews wanted to go back there and think they have needed defending by violence since HaShoMer. Right then was the time to work things out into of relying on violence.

How do I see it? Location, location, location. Jews picked the wrong spot, a place surrounded by “enemies”. So much for historicity. When Arabs and Jews were neighbours, this conflict wasn’t happening. Jews made their neighbours their enemies.

I may be reading this wrong but, as part of the (fake) Iran negotiations, Trump asked ME countries to recognise the State of Israel. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if Israel could join a broad initiative of ME countries for peace and prosperity instead of war?

IMV, that can’t happen in the hypermilitarised bubble in which Israel exists. Reliance on violence is so inbred into Israelis, I can’t see them getting out of that snakepit for generations if at all. It started 40 years before Israel, and 30 before the Holocaust.

In fact, Israel has only recognised a few other ME countries. Isn't is time to extend a hand of peace rather than bombing the <deleted> out of them?

Somebody needs to start, Ev, and I think, morally, that's Israel. If both sides are so entrenched in their positions, there will, of course, be no peace.

If that is the case--and, unfortunately, Israel keeps proving it every day--then I oppose int'l support for Israel. Sink or swim.

Israelis are lost, Ev, morally lost. Every Israeli has been a soldier, armed guards posture outside houses of worship. Don’t you find that as sad as I do?

31 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Indeed Yes, that is where it becomes interesting. If Moses was Egyptian, he came from a culture full of gods, and royal power. Egypt also had the Akhenaten period, where one god, Aten, was lifted above the others, and it shows that monotheistic ideas were not impossible in Egypt.

Strict monotheistic Judaism probably did not appear fully formed, it developed over time, from “our God above other gods” toward one God only. So the bigger question is not only if Moses was Egyptian, but how much Egypt, Canaan, Babylon, and Persia all helped shape what later became Judaism.

Which also means that the descendants of all these other tribes--who much later adopted Islam--are not the enemy even today. What <deleted> that up, eh?

It's not the personal stuff, not the acrimony that makes AN valuable to living here. One gem like this is worth so much. Intellectual curiosity eaten and cats or dogs recently?

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3 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Which also means that the descendants of all these other tribes--who much later adopted Islam--are not the enemy even today. What <deleted> that up, eh?

Kane and Abel ?

On 5/28/2026 at 11:30 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

There was no one there though , the Mosque was empty

So a gleeful, fun-loving, brainless young person should try this in a synagogue???

You know, he could be punished later.

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1 hour ago, unblocktheplanet said:

In fact, Israel has only recognised a few other ME countries. Isn't is time to extend a hand of peace rather than bombing the <deleted> out of them?

Israel is more than willing to establish normal diplomatic relations with Arab nations and has done so whenever possible. The refusal by some Arab or Muslim-majority countries to recognize Israel's sovereignty is the big obstacle to a lasting peace in the Middle East.

Just a brief rundown of Arab countries and groups with which Israel has established diplomatic relations or mutual recognition and the year these relationships began:

• Egypt (1979)

• PLO (1993)

• Jordan (1994)

• Bahrain (2020)

• United Arab Emirates (2020)

• Morocco (2020)

In addition, Iran, Lebanon, the Maldives and Mauritania all recognized Israel and had diplomatic relations for some years, but broke them off. Sudan declared in 2020 its intention to establish relations with Israel, but never did.

Israel established relations with Turkey and Iran in 1949. Iran cut these ties in 1979, but relations with Turkey have continued to this day, although now very strained. Since normal diplomatic relations began between Israel. Egypt and Jordan, there's been no military operations involving their troops against each other.

Many Israelis believe Saudi Arabia had been in secret negotiations to recognize Israel. These talks were looking to yield results that would elevate Israel's status in Arab and Muslim world, which is the main reason Hamas attacked Israel on Oct. 7, 2023. Hamas knew a military conflict in Gaza would derail those talks.

The Oslo Accords represented the best option for a solution to the situation in Palestine, but unfortunately Hamas was able to stymie any real progress.