5 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

Most are not paying it due to the current loophole. Those loophole will be closed in the near future. The 90 year old laws are no longer fit for the ATO's purpose. The proposed changes will eventually be passed into legislation.

Discussing paying tax is not a pleasant subject. No one likes to pay tax. The Ostrich Method does not work with the ATO.

Is this guy lying as well? He's a qualified accountant.

Even more reason to try drumming up business, before AI eliminates them. If you trust a guy spruiking on YouTube......

8 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Even more reason to try drumming up business, before AI eliminates them. If you trust a guy spruiking on YouTube......

Is Blake from the ATO lying as well?

https://community.ato.gov.au/s/question/a0J9s0000002ngFEAQ/p00172380

What "business" would someone from the ATO be trying to drum up?

16 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

How much of each fuel grade is derived from a barrel of oil.

The total of all fuel grades equal a barrel. 😂 😂

If you are talking about the tea in China, that's a different story. 😂 😂

Edited September 8Sep 8 by KhunHeineken

5 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

The total of all fuel grades equal a barrel. 😂 😂

If you are talking about the tea in China, that's a different story. 😂 😂

Now you are just trolling. Still clueless

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Now you are just trolling. Still clueless

Not clueless, just couldn't care less.

4 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

Not clueless, just couldn't care less.

You seem to care a lot about posting unsubstantiated BS.

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

You seem to care a lot about posting unsubstantiated BS.

And all you do is troll.

All these people "drumming up" business. Must be a big coincidence. 😂 😂 😂 😂

1 minute ago, KhunHeineken said:

And all you do is troll.

All these people "drumming up" business. Must be a big coincidence. 😂 😂 😂 😂

You can go on YouTube and find hundreds of medical "professionals" touting their miracle cures for apoplexy, COVID, and the galloping fantods.

I could do the same. All I would need is a bookshelf behind me, horn-rimmed glasses, and an earnest expression.

Please tell me how the tax expert links you post are any different.

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

You can go on YouTube and find hundreds of medical "professionals" touting their miracle cures for apoplexy, COVID, and the galloping fantods.

I could do the same. All I would need is a bookshelf behind me, horn-rimmed glasses, and an earnest expression.

Please tell me how the tax expert links you post are any different.

I eagerly await a link, either written, or youtube, where someone, anyone, says YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY NON RESIDENT TAX ON THE AUSTRALIAN AGED PENSION IF YOU ARE LIVING OVERSEAS.

To date, you have never posted a counter link.

32 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

I eagerly await a link, either written, or youtube, where someone, anyone, says YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY NON RESIDENT TAX ON THE AUSTRALIAN AGED PENSION IF YOU ARE LIVING OVERSEAS.

To date, you have never posted a counter link.

You are asking me to prove a negative.

Go to any AI , and ask it the question " Why are Australian pensioners living overseas for years not paying 30% tax on their pensions?"

Then read the explanation, although that may tax your attention span.

23 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

In the same way they will know you have been outside of Australia for 183 days and not only cut off the supplements, but also take their 30% non resident tax.

Yeah, yeah, I know. Pensioners will be "up in arms." Yet, the said pensioners it effects, do not vote. 😂 Loss to government in votes, zero. Savings in Centerlink payments, hundreds of millions.

The 183 rule is only 1 of 4 things ATO looks at when deciding if you are a tax resident. Their general rule of thumb is whether absent for more than 3 full years and then they will take a look. If you have a super fund and that is being taxed they generally leave you alone. If you have components of being domicile (not resident) such as money in bank accounts, a residence for mail, driving licences, etc etc they generally leave you alone. Their main requirement is that you have not permanently left Australia and have not cut all ties. If you clearly plan to return one day, then they will leave you as a tax resident. That does not mean Thailand cannot also make you a tax resident under their 179 day rule.

There are literally about 100,000 age pension recipients overseas who have been doing so for years and are not taxed by ATO. One reason is because they live in countries that have a DTA with Australia - including Thailand. Now whether Thailand will seek income taxes on those pensions from Australia is another issue and it is the real problem. IMO Thailand probably will when they have the global taxation system up and running. Thailand taxes start at 150K Baht (5%) and at about the single age pension rate (650K Baht) that hits the 15% tax level above 500K. But there are many offsets and allowance that reduce the total taxable amount - my read is maximum of 20K Baht tax due ($850 AUD). However the DTA also has a rule that Expats must have the same rights and allowances as a Thai - and Thais pay no income tax on their Age Pensions. But who knows how Somchai at the local provincial tax office will decide things. It is all too much trouble - and hence income taxes is one of the reasons I am leaving for good soon.

12 hours ago, XRules said:

The 183 rule is only 1 of 4 things ATO looks at when deciding if you are a tax resident. Their general rule of thumb is whether absent for more than 3 full years and then they will take a look. If you have a super fund and that is being taxed they generally leave you alone. If you have components of being domicile (not resident) such as money in bank accounts, a residence for mail, driving licences, etc etc they generally leave you alone. Their main requirement is that you have not permanently left Australia and have not cut all ties. If you clearly plan to return one day, then they will leave you as a tax resident. That does not mean Thailand cannot also make you a tax resident under their 179 day rule.

There are literally about 100,000 age pension recipients overseas who have been doing so for years and are not taxed by ATO. One reason is because they live in countries that have a DTA with Australia - including Thailand. Now whether Thailand will seek income taxes on those pensions from Australia is another issue and it is the real problem. IMO Thailand probably will when they have the global taxation system up and running. Thailand taxes start at 150K Baht (5%) and at about the single age pension rate (650K Baht) that hits the 15% tax level above 500K. But there are many offsets and allowance that reduce the total taxable amount - my read is maximum of 20K Baht tax due ($850 AUD). However the DTA also has a rule that Expats must have the same rights and allowances as a Thai - and Thais pay no income tax on their Age Pensions. But who knows how Somchai at the local provincial tax office will decide things. It is all too much trouble - and hence income taxes is one of the reasons I am leaving for good soon.

The number 183 is tattooed on KH's forehead, and we all know how difficult it is to remove a tattoo.

18 hours ago, Lacessit said:

You are asking me to prove a negative.

The negative is only in your mind.

I've posted many links where qualified people, even a staff member of the ATO, have said you have to pay non resident tax on the Australian aged pension.

To date, you have not posted a link from anyone stating the opposite, and no, the Australian / Thailand DTA does not cover the aged pension, it covers "government service pensions."

18 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Go to any AI , and ask it the question " Why are Australian pensioners living overseas for years not paying 30% tax on their pensions?"

I've answered that. More holes in the current 90 year old laws than a block of Swiss cheese.

All set to change when the 183 days is legislated.

18 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Then read the explanation, although that may tax your attention span.

Once again, all set to change when Australia moves to a physical presence and time based tax residency model, similar to Thailand. The magic number is 183 days.

In summary:

The aged pension is an income at law.

The aged pension is taxable.

There is no tax free threshold in the non resident tax brackets.

There are no exemptions in the proposed changes for aged pensioners.

The Thailand / Australia DTA only covers service pensions.

Non resident tax starts at 30% from $0 to $135,000.

Put all the above together and the ATO gets to tax people who have slipped through the net for decades.

4 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

The negative is only in your mind.

I've posted many links where qualified people, even a staff member of the ATO, have said you have to pay non resident tax on the Australian aged pension.

To date, you have not posted a link from anyone stating the opposite, and no, the Australian / Thailand DTA does not cover the aged pension, it covers "government service pensions."

I've answered that. More holes in the current 90 year old laws than a block of Swiss cheese.

All set to change when the 183 days is legislated.

Once again, all set to change when Australia moves to a physical presence and time based tax residency model, similar to Thailand. The magic number is 183 days.

In summary:

The aged pension is an income at law.

The aged pension is taxable.

There is no tax free threshold in the non resident tax brackets.

There are no exemptions in the proposed changes for aged pensioners.

The Thailand / Australia DTA only covers service pensions.

Non resident tax starts at 30% from $0 to $135,000.

Put all the above together and the ATO gets to tax people who have slipped through the net for decades.

In summary, you have yet to produce a single Australian age pensioner paying 30% tax here in Thailand or anywhere else, and you are copying and pasting the same old sh!t about "proposed changes" you have been bleating about for years.

22 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

In summary, you have yet to produce a single Australian age pensioner paying 30% tax here in Thailand or anywhere else, and you are copying and pasting the same old sh!t about "proposed changes" you have been bleating about for years.

Yawn.

I have addressed this, many times.

I am not even paying non resident tax and I generate an income in Australia from investments. I should have been paying non resident tax for years. I live in Thailand full time, so clearly I am a non resident.

The reason I have never had to pay non resident tax is because of the loopholes in the current 90 year old laws that are built around when one is "domiciled." This legality will become redundant when the proposed changes are passed, and the 183 days kicks it.

It will allow the ATO to tax people that for decades have slipped through their net.

1 hour ago, KhunHeineken said:

Yawn.

I have addressed this, many times.

I am not even paying non resident tax and I generate an income in Australia from investments. I should have been paying non resident tax for years. I live in Thailand full time, so clearly I am a non resident.

The reason I have never had to pay non resident tax is because of the loopholes in the current 90 year old laws that are built around when one is "domiciled." This legality will become redundant when the proposed changes are passed, and the 183 days kicks it.

It will allow the ATO to tax people that for decades have slipped through their net.

Yawn cubed. Yes, you have addressed this many times for quite a few years, with the same result. Zilch, nada, nothing.

Since you are so confident of the ATO's intentions, perhaps you would be kind enough to share your winning numbers in next week's Tattslotto draw.

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Since you are so confident of the ATO's intentions,

No, not the ATO's intentions, but what the governmemt of the day want the ATO to do, by way of enabling them to do so, through legislation.

Do you really think the proposed changes will just go away?