8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t dispute the data on the police and justice system treating people differently on the basis of their ethnicity.

Why wasn't the stabbing and murder of Nowak a racially motivated murder?

44 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Are you in favour of Police brutality ?

Waht did you say when the Muslims got kicked in the face at Manchester airport ?

Why don't you add some context. This happened at an International Airport were the threat of a terrorist incident is an ongoing possibility. Working at an airport as I have, security is on everybody's mind all the time. More so for the police whose job it is to deal with it. This isn't like policing your local high street. Not reported at the time but there had been the previous unprovoked vicious assault. The police only thought they were dealing with the two causing the assault. Then the two perpetrators kicked off in a violent assault against the police, some of whom were armed. You know what if I thought the intent was to take my gun I might have done the same. But yes given the strict letter of the law it was unacceptable. But then they did not have to kick off against uniformed police officers. Also this was in a public area with members of the public present. That situation had to be dealt with. It was the two brothers that turned that situation into what it was. They could have simply not resisted.

I am going to change the direction a little. I find it interesting tht the same people tht complain about the police here and compare them to other countries are complaining about the police in their country.

I have to admit, with everything going on, that I am glad I live here and have the police and the policies that we have here.

Next time you think the immigration police are being unfair please think of things back home.

I know I do.

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Are you in favour of Police brutality ?

Waht did you say when the Muslims got kicked in the face at Manchester airport ?

The same got a head kick to supress him when he stabbed the 2 jews in Golders Grren but it was a jewsish security officer who tackled him while waiting for the police to turn up.

3 hours ago, Geoff914 said:

Why wasn't the stabbing and murder of Nowak a racially motivated murder?

Do you not follow the news Geoff914. You know when the murderer rang the cops and said iv'e been assaulted in a racist Assault did it not click that it could it could be a racially Aggravated incident as reported on the news.

Bit of a Coincidence a labour member Ricky James was charged but pleaded not guilty and was not held in custody till his Crown Court appearence. Unlike a demonstrator a Mr Styler pleaded not guilty the same as Ricky james but was locked up probably till his Crown Court date.

6 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Bit of a Coincidence a labour member Ricky James was charged but pleaded not guilty and was not held in custody till his Crown Court appearence. Unlike a demonstrator a Mr Styler pleaded not guilty the same as Ricky james but was locked up probably till his Crown Court date.

And for good reasons and, as usual, lots of false information and false conclusions with no link to anything to back it up.

Ricky Jones was remanded in custody until his bail hearing, as is standard.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/credz9gl92yo

Styler is charged with a serious violent crime, "assaulting an emergency worker by beating", this is an extremely aggravating factor under the law and has been taken in to account.

But, maybe more importantly, Styler is also listed as being of "no fixed abode" which is a major factor too, as he is a flight risk and it is almost impossible to monitor the bail conditions of someone with no fixed abode. Jones was a councillor with a fixed address and no prior history, deep ties to his community, and was therefore not deemed a flight risk.

Those who are of no fixed abode and cannot be suitably accommodated, will not be able to be electronically monitored as the necessary equipment cannot be installed. The same applies where a landlord/owner of a property refuses permission for the equipment to be installed.

Here's a link to explain it:

https://www.cps.gov.uk/prosecution-guidance/bail

Just scratch the surface Bazzer and there are legal reasons for everything you see as a conspiracy. It takes a simple Google search in most cases. And it is the same if you are black, white, or brown.

Oh, by the way, there are are reporting restrictions on these two white guys, just like there were on the Muslims who were tried. You know, standard stuff that you think is a conspiracy or "two tier" nonsense.

It is vital that there should be no reporting, commentary or sharing of information online which could in any way prejudice these proceedings.

Here you go, another link, as we are supposed to provide to back things up.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/wessex/news/two-men-charged-relation-southampton-disorder

3 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

I am going to change the direction a little. I find it interesting tht the same people tht complain about the police here and compare them to other countries are complaining about the police in their country.

I have to admit, with everything going on, that I am glad I live here and have the police and the policies that we have here.

Next time you think the immigration police are being unfair please think of things back home.

I know I do.

Why are you referring to Immigration police? Since when have Immigration officers in Thailand been the police. Where is "here", Thailand or the UK?

6 minutes ago, Geoff914 said:

Why are you referring to Immigration police? Since when have Immigration officers in Thailand been the police. Where is "here", Thailand or the UK?

Immigration is a division of the police.

1 hour ago, BarraMarra said:

Do you not follow the news Geoff914. You know when the murderer rang the cops and said iv'e been assaulted in a racist Assault did it not click that it could it could be a racially Aggravated incident as reported on the news.

Oh dear, I said why was the murder of Nowak not a racially motivated "MURDER". Digwa phoned the police and said he, ie Digwa had been racially assaulted, a lie. The police then treated the alleged assault of Digwa as racially motivated. I am asking why was the murder of Nowak by Digwa not a treated as a racially motivated murder? I have seen no reference to the murder being racially motivated when clearly it was.

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

And for good reasons and, as usual, lots of false information and false conclusions with no link to anything to back it up.

Ricky Jones was remanded in custody until his bail hearing, as is standard.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/credz9gl92yo

Styler is charged with a serious violent crime, "assaulting an emergency worker by beating", this is an extremely aggravating factor under the law and has been taken in to account.

But, maybe more importantly, Styler is also listed as being of "no fixed abode" which is a major factor too, as he is a flight risk and it is almost impossible to monitor the bail conditions of someone with no fixed abode. Jones was a councillor with a fixed address and no prior history, deep ties to his community, and was therefore not deemed a flight risk.

Those who are of no fixed abode and cannot be suitably accommodated, will not be able to be electronically monitored as the necessary equipment cannot be installed. The same applies where a landlord/owner of a property refuses permission for the equipment to be installed.

Here's a link to explain it:

https://www.cps.gov.uk/prosecution-guidance/bail

Just scratch the surface Bazzer and there are legal reasons for everything you see as a conspiracy. It takes a simple Google search in most cases. And it is the same if you are black, white, or brown.

Oh, by the way, there are are reporting restrictions on these two white guys, just like there were on the Muslims who were tried. You know, standard stuff that you think is a conspiracy or "two tier" nonsense.

It is vital that there should be no reporting, commentary or sharing of information online which could in any way prejudice these proceedings.

Here you go, another link, as we are supposed to provide to back things up.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/wessex/news/two-men-charged-relation-southampton-disorder

If i post a thread saying were going to get rain you will spend half a page explaining there will not be rain with links from the met office to back up your reply. So thanks but no thanks im not getting into a convo with you.

2 hours ago, Geoff914 said:

Oh dear, I said why was the murder of Nowak not a racially motivated "MURDER". Digwa phoned the police and said he, ie Digwa had been racially assaulted, a lie. The police then treated the alleged assault of Digwa as racially motivated. I am asking why was the murder of Nowak by Digwa not a treated as a racially motivated murder? I have seen no reference to the murder being racially motivated when clearly it was.

Because it clearly WAS NOT racially motivated. Unless of course you consider ALL brown-on-white, or white-on-brown criminality as being racially motivated.

Digwa FALSELY claimed that he had been racially assaulted. Digwa was CORRECTLY charged with murder because he killed a person, the race, faith or ethnicity of whom was irrelevant.

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

Because it clearly WAS NOT racially motivated. Unless of course you consider ALL brown-on-white, or white-on-brown criminality as being racially motivated.

Digwa FALSELY claimed that he had been racially assaulted. Digwa was CORRECTLY charged with murder because he killed a person, the race, faith or ethnicity of whom was irrelevant.

Why WAS it NOT clearly racially motivated. Seems to me a white person was targeted. I don't see that there was any randomness to this. This was clearly not a random killing. Seems to me Nowak was targeted. "Digwa was CORRECTLY charged with murder because he killed a person, the race, faith or ethnicity of whom was irrelevant." Well it wasn't another Sikh or Indian person so you are saying choosing Nowak being chosen was pure bad luck on his part. You don't go around with an 8.5 inch long knife for religious purposes so why was he armed with a large knife?

11 hours ago, Geoff914 said:

Why wasn't the stabbing and murder of Nowak a racially motivated murder?

Refer court record.

Race was not demonstrated as a motivation in the murder.

Here’s what law says:

“Meaning of “ [F2racially or religiously aggravated]”.

(1)An offence is [F2racially or religiously aggravated] for the purposes of sections 29 to 32 below if—

(a)at the time of committing the offence, or immediately before or after doing so, the offender demonstrates towards the victim of the offence hostility based on the victim’s membership (or presumed membership) of a [F3racial or religious group]; or

(b)the offence is motivated (wholly or partly) by hostility towards members of a [F3racial or religious group]based on their membership of that group.

(2)In subsection (1)(a) above—

• “membership”, in relation to a [F3racial or religious group], includes association with members of that group;

• “presumed” means presumed by the offender.

(3)It is immaterial for the purposes of paragraph (a) or (b) of subsection (1) above whether or not the offender’s hostility is also based, to any extent, [F4on any other factor not mentioned in that paragraph.]

(4)In this section “racial group” means a group of persons defined by reference to race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins.

[F5(5)In this section “religious group” means a group of persons defined by reference to religious belief or lack of religious belief.]”

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/37/part/II/crossheading/raciallyaggravated-offences-england-and-wales

3 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Because it clearly WAS NOT racially motivated. Unless of course you consider ALL brown-on-white, or white-on-brown criminality as being racially motivated.

Digwa FALSELY claimed that he had been racially assaulted. Digwa was CORRECTLY charged with murder because he killed a person, the race, faith or ethnicity of whom was irrelevant.

The killer also made the claim he was racially assaulted after he had murdered his victim.

He was making an excuse that was a vile lie and that in no small part prompted the attending police officers‘ actions.

2 hours ago, Geoff914 said:

Why WAS it NOT clearly racially motivated. Seems to me a white person was targeted. I don't see that there was any randomness to this. This was clearly not a random killing. Seems to me Nowak was targeted. "Digwa was CORRECTLY charged with murder because he killed a person, the race, faith or ethnicity of whom was irrelevant." Well it wasn't another Sikh or Indian person so you are saying choosing Nowak being chosen was pure bad luck on his part. You don't go around with an 8.5 inch long knife for religious purposes so why was he armed with a large knife?

Because there is no evidence the killer acted out of racism.

Refer legal definition I linked above.

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Because there is no evidence the killer acted out of racism.

Refer legal definition I linked above.

Apart from the 999 call from the murderers brother stating it was a racist attack.

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Apart from the 999 call from the murderers brother stating it was a racist attack.

Refer to what the law has to say on the matter, I’ve posted above.

You are however providing evidence to explain the actions of the attending officers,

There is no evidence that the murder was racially motivated.

Barra said: If i post a thread saying were going to get rain you will spend half a page explaining there will not be rain with links from the met office to back up your reply. So thanks but no thanks im not getting into a convo with you.

Nope, if you say it's going to rain, I'll put my head outside and if it looks like rain I'll agree with you.

However if you get rained on and you argue it's because you're white and the weather is racist against white people, that black people were out yesterday and didn't get rained on, then I would reply to say you are talking nonsense and explain why. Then you'll call me a disruptor, a scumbag, tell me to "f.o." or that everyone on this forum hates me, and then flounce off.

That's pretty much how each of your posts go.

Edited June 6Jun 6 by josephbloggs

9 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Because there is no evidence the killer acted out of racism.

Refer legal definition I linked above.

Yes no evidence because he conveniently killed Nowak. And then proceeded to play the race card himself. Surely it was he who made this a racist incident by playing the race card.

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Nope, if you say it's going to rain, I'll put my head outside and if it looks like rain I'll agree with you.

However if you get rained on and you argue it's because you're white and the weather is racist against white people, that black people were out yesterday and didn't get rained on, then I would reply to say you are talking nonsense and explain why. Then you'll call me a disruptor, a scumbag, tell me to "f.o." or that everyone on this forum hates me, and then flounce off.

That's pretty much how each of your posts go.

Blah blah blah Iv'e called you out for what you are. Others just can't be arsed with you so they ignore you only your thumber fan squad back you.

21 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Blah blah blah Iv'e called you out for what you are. Others just can't be arsed with you so they ignore you only your thumber fan squad back you.

I feel sorry for you, wandering through your days obsessing over these blue thumbs - most of which are not even mine - and convincing yourself that a poster who normally responds to you in detail and with links is somehow the one doing it.

Believe it or not I am not the only one on this forum who disagrees with a lot of your posts so maybe, shock horror, someone else clicks the "disagree" button to express that - which is exactly what it's there or.

You're wrong. But keep it up because every time you post abut it it gives me a little chuckle.

And to think in another post I am sure you said you were 68, not 12.

Edit: look, on this page of posts you have several blue thumbs. None of them are mine. So funny.

Edited June 7Jun 7 by josephbloggs

This clip shows the real two tier problem in the UK

According to the sentencing remarks at Southampton Crown Court:

• The Encounter: Nowak was walking back to his accommodation from a night out when he crossed paths with Digwa, who was wearing a large Persian-style dagger in a sheath.

• The Triggers: The judge noted that a confrontation began, likely because Nowak started filming Digwa's large knife on his phone. Digwa reportedly felt "disrespected" and reacted aggressively by stating he was "a bad man" and snatching Nowak's phone.

• The Stabbing: When Nowak tried to get his phone back, a physical struggle ensued. Digwa drew his weapon and stabbed the unarmed teenager five times.

  Why did the Sikh attack Nowak? - Google Search

  It's hard to say that the murder was racist in itself, seems to have been sparked by a simple confrontation that should have gone nowhere. Of course the family of the murderer, and the murderer himself then played the racist card with the tragic consequences we all know.

  A lot of knife murders occur because of utter stupidity, people, often teenagers or young people, behaving badly, then when reprimanded, lashing out and stabbing the person brave enough to complain, to death.

  Who on earth brought up these murderers below?

  Teenage killers smile and shake hands after stabbing boy to death on beach

  A trio of teenagers celebrated with each other and then fled the scene after stabbing a boy on a Scottish beach. Jay Stewart, 18 and an unnamed 15-year-old boy were found to have assisted 18-year-old Cole Turley to murder Kayden Moy.

  

  Jay Stewart (right) assisted Cole Turner (left) in pursuing and attacking Kayden before celebrating afterwards

  Turley admitted to pursuing and repeatedly stabbing Kayden, 16,at Irvine beach in North Ayrshire last month. The other two teenagers were found guilty of murder at Glasgow High Court on Friday.

  

  Kayden Moy, 16, was stabbed to death on Irvine beach in North Ayrshire

  Jurors heard that the trio had been throwing rocks at people on the beach from the top of a sand dune.

  Kayden went up to confront the boys just as he was about to leave at 6pm, his girlfriend Keryn Knox recounted.

  Teenage killers smile and shake hands after stabbing boy to death on beach

  As Kayden approached the group, Turley pulled out a knife while Stewart produced an extendable baton.

  Turley stabbed Kayden in the leg and the torso, the latter which he fatally wounded. Footage captured the three shaking hands and singing as they left Kayden to die in the sand.

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

I feel sorry for you, wandering through your days obsessing over these blue thumbs - most of which are not even mine - and convincing yourself that a poster who normally responds to you in detail and with links is somehow the one doing it.

Believe it or not I am not the only one on this forum who disagrees with a lot of your posts so maybe, shock horror, someone else clicks the "disagree" button to express that - which is exactly what it's there or.

You're wrong. But keep it up because every time you post abut it it gives me a little chuckle.

And to think in another post I am sure you said you were 68, not 12.

Edit: look, on this page of posts you have several blue thumbs. None of them are mine. So funny.

And now you can see them all!

I'll await your apology.

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

And now you can see them all!

I'll await your apology.

You may have to wait a while!

18 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

You may have to wait a while!

Hell will freez over im not biting or getting myself banned because of U2.

1 hour ago, BarraMarra said:

Hell will freez over im not biting or getting myself banned because of U2.

Must be terribly upsetting to see all your claims about me constantly downvoting you are not true. Boo hoo.

Actually, three tier justice. Just try and wear a badge/flag/placard supporting Palestine; you can be arrested, fired from your job, denied access to public places, whether you are peaceful or not. There is one ethnicity who are protected at all costs....

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Must be terribly upsetting to see all your claims about me constantly downvoting you are not true. Boo hoo.

If you carry on flaming me i will report you.