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Renew passport in UK, transfer visa/extension stamps.

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Long story short, got to get a new passport, now, to travel back to Thailand, all extensions up to date.

Check in at airport should take new passport, but will Thai immigration take new passport, and extension stamps from old passport.

Or is it a trip to Thai embassy to get the stamps changed over.

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  • sandyf
    sandyf

    I came back on a new visa, much easier option, but depends on personal circumstances.

  • DrJack54
    DrJack54

    Clearly you didn't have your funds in account frozen in exchange for Bank Letter required for extensions at immigration. Rubbish bank

  • DrJack54
    DrJack54

    The reason I asked is that stamps are transferred office where they are issued. I generally obtain my reentry permits at airports on day of departure. For others suggest if planning to renew pp then o

Just present both passports at immigration on arrival. You will be stamped in in the new one, based upon the re-entry permit in the old one. Then head to your immigration office to get them transferred.

19 minutes ago, kickstart said:

Long story short, got to get a new passport, now, to travel back to Thailand, all extensions up to date.

Check in at airport should take new passport, but will Thai immigration take new passport, and extension stamps from old passport.

Or is it a trip to Thai embassy to get the stamps changed over.

As per the post above, embassy is nothing to do with it.

As you are arriving I think it is unlikely that Immigration will take up time in transferring the stamps - they will probably tell you to go to your local Immigration office.

OP, just enter with both passports.

Assume you have a reentry permit and extension stamp.

Where were those stamps issued.

Specifically was the reentry permit issued at your local immigration office or airport on departure.

Which immigration office do you deal with.

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2 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

OP, just enter with both passports.

Assume you have a reentry permit and extension stamp.

Where were those stamps issued.

Specifically was the reentry permit issued at your local immigration office or airport on departure.

Which immigration office do you deal with.

Thanks for the reply, I have a reentry permit, and extension stamp.

The reentry permit was issued at Lopburi office, my local office, as I live in Lopburi Provence, same as extension.

3 minutes ago, kickstart said:

Thanks for the reply, I have a reentry permit, and extension stamp.

The reentry permit was issued at Lopburi office, my local office, as I live in Lopburi Provence, same as extension.

The reason I asked is that stamps are transferred office where they are issued.

I generally obtain my reentry permits at airports on day of departure.

For others suggest if planning to renew pp then obtain your reentry permit at local immigration office

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Againe, thanks for all the reply's.

This you could say is a FYI, Last night UK time, I was coming back to Thailand ,got to check in, had an old problem ,they looked at my booking ,saw no return ticket ,I said I lived in Thailand opened my 8+ year old passport, flicked though it, found my new extension the guy said that is OK, then the check -n guy saw a torn page corner in my passport, the last page ,and another page a bit chewed up ,all due to staples for 90 day receipts and other bit of paper.

He then said I must check with Bangkok immigration to see if they will except the passport, he photographed it and sent it to Bangkok immigration, Bangkok said no, they would not except it, I could not travel, told to get a new passport.

So, I had return home, ordered a new passport, and now hence asking here about transferring stamps.

The tear in the page has been then for the past year, no one at immigration has said anything, last night the guy sat in his nice air con office in Bangkok said no.

The immigration officer at his busy desk at the airport is just looking for an empty page to put his stamp would not notice an slightly ripped page, would just do his job, and next please.

I would say the airline check in counter was thinking if Bangkok would not let me in ,due to the passport, they would be responsible for getting/sending me back to the UK, at they cost?.

24 minutes ago, kickstart said:

OK, then the check -n guy saw a torn page corner in my passport, the last page ,and another page a bit chewed up ,all due to staples for 90 day receipts and other bit of paper.

He then said I must check with Bangkok immigration to see if they will except the passport, he photographed it and sent it to Bangkok immigration, Bangkok said no, they would not except it, I could not travel, told to get a new passport.

So, I had return home, ordered a new passport, and now hence asking here about transferring stamps.

I can't follow your thread.

If you obtained new pp and were returning to Thailand ... You would show both old pp (containing reentry permit) + new pp.

First thing you do is point io to reentry permit.

You mix up airline and immigration by stating "they"

So where are you now.

Not credible you could not fly with new pp.

Off topic: in recent thread I received few thumbs down re stating "never allow tm30, tm47 or anything to be stapled into pp.

1 hour ago, kickstart said:

I would say the airline check in counter was thinking if Bangkok would not let me in ,due to the passport, they would be responsible for getting/sending me back to the UK, at they cost?.

With some international airlines, it is possible to sign a waiver at check-in absolving the airline from any responsibility for bearing the costs of flying you back to the country from which the outbound flight originated, in the event of your being refused entry into the destination country for any reason (meaning, of course, that you would then have to pick up the tab yourself in the case of refusal).

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3 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

I can't follow your thread.

If you obtained new pp and were returning to Thailand ... You would show both old pp (containing reentry permit) + new pp.

First thing you do is point io to reentry permit.

You mix up airline and immigration by stating "they"

So where are you now.

Not credible you could not fly with new pp.

Off topic: in recent thread I received few thumbs down re stating "never allow tm30, tm47 or anything to be stapled into pp.

Fair comment, no, I was checking in with the old PP, and told I had to get a, new PP as the check -in -deck at Heathrow found the tear in the PP.

Now, still in the UK awaiting a new PP, going up to Peterborough, the main PP office, tomorrow to hand in Old PP ,PP office said today on line, next Friday the new one should get to where I am staying ,will know more tomorrow coming back to Thailand with new PP.

Having been living in Thailand for 20 years +, have had all my tm30 and tm47 's stapled in PP have had a chewed-up page before, but never a problem, will start and say no stapling, especially the 90 day.

Will show Heathrow check in desk the reentry permit, they will ask for sure, that if they know what a Thai reentry permit is.

3 hours ago, kickstart said:

Having been living in Thailand for 20 years +, have had all my tm30 and tm47 's stapled in PP have had a chewed-up page before, but never a problem, will start and say no stapling, especially the 90 day.

Will show Heathrow check in desk the reentry permit, they will ask for sure, that if they know what a Thai reentry permit is.

Regards stapling junk into pp.. Covered in this recent thread

https://aseannow.com/topic/1395041-papers-lost-from-passport/

Regarding reentry permit... You show page with reentry permit to airline staff at check in. They know what that means.

18 hours ago, kickstart said:

Long story short, got to get a new passport, now, to travel back to Thailand, all extensions up to date.

Check in at airport should take new passport, but will Thai immigration take new passport, and extension stamps from old passport.

Or is it a trip to Thai embassy to get the stamps changed over.

I came back on a new visa, much easier option, but depends on personal circumstances.

19 minutes ago, sandyf said:

I came back on a new visa, much easier option, but depends on personal circumstances.

The OP has a valid permission of stay with the required reentry permit.

Why would he even consider obtaining a Visa.

20 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

The OP has a valid permission of stay with the required reentry permit.

Why would he even consider obtaining a Visa.

What did you find difficult about "personal circumstances".

I had a re-entry permit, but still made the best decision based on the circumstances.

19 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

OP, just enter with both passports.

Assume you have a reentry permit and extension stamp.

Where were those stamps issued.

Specifically was the reentry permit issued at your local immigration office or airport on departure.

Which immigration office do you deal with.

A few years ago, but when I re-entered Thailand (Bangkok) from the U.K. with my new (and old U.K. passport) , 6 months remaining on my retirement extension and a re-entry permit the Immigration officer called over a senior immigration officer and I was stamped in for 7 days.

I showed them my permission to stay was valid for 6 months and my re-entry permit but they said 7 days and to go to my local immigration office to sort it out.

Think I was just unlucky but by giving me only 7 days it forced me to get the stamps transferred to my new passport quickly.

16 minutes ago, skorts said:

I showed them my permission to stay was valid for 6 months and my re-entry permit but they said 7 days and to go to my local immigration office to sort it out.

Cannot explain why they did that.

You should have been stamped in till date on your reentry permit.

Just to add a couple of things. Once you have had everything transferred at immigration, its a good idea to do a new TM30 with the new passport. Also go to your bank and have the new passport details registered with them.

To add to post above ^ visit bank to update new pp # you should do same with mobile carrier if using banking app.

Also some folk update their TDL.

Personally I wouldn't bother.

Just leave it till next license renewal

13 hours ago, kickstart said:

...he photographed it and sent it to Bangkok immigration, Bangkok said no, they would not except it, I could not travel, told to get a new passport.

So, I had return home, ordered a new passport...

Man, this is a horrible story. Check-in staff poring over the (slightly) messed-up page(s), taking a photo and sending to Thai immigration for a yay-or-nay verdict? You think you've heard it all before, and then this comes along.

Not just for the OP, but for everyone it's more validation to not ever let anything be stapled into the passport. It's crazy...passports are so key, they take time and money to renew/replace, and something so mundane as a staple can 'take them out', causing hassle, lost time and unnecessary expense.

1 hour ago, rwilem said:

Man, this is a horrible story. Check-in staff poring over the (slightly) messed-up page(s), taking a photo and sending to Thai immigration for a yay-or-nay verdict?

Personally, I find it very hard to believe that any airline anywhere has a Thai immigration "hot line" to verify anything such as passport acceptance. Given the time zone differences, etc. even more suspicious. The OP's evening check-in in the UK is still the middle of the pre-dawn night, the following morning in Bangkok.

I would wager that someone representing the airline, maybe without an airline supervisor to revert to, made up this "immigration says no" story to cover their arse. A lot of check-in staff are from agencies and can represent any one of several airlines in a working day.

It would be interesting to know the UK airport where the OP was bounced. I had some go-around with a less knowledgeable check-in chap and his first supervisor at MAN, when headed for Suriname via Amsterdam. Took a more senior type to give the nod.

6 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Personally, I find it very hard to believe that any airline anywhere has a Thai immigration "hot line" to verify anything such as passport acceptance. Given the time zone differences, etc. even more suspicious. The OP's evening check-in in the UK is still the middle of the pre-dawn night, the following morning in Bangkok.

I would wager that someone representing the airline, maybe without an airline supervisor to revert to, made up this "immigration says no" story to cover their arse. A lot of check-in staff are from agencies and can represent any one of several airlines in a working day.

It would be interesting to know the UK airport where the OP was bounced. I had some go-around with a less knowledgeable check-in chap and his first supervisor at MAN, when headed for Suriname via Amsterdam. Took a more senior type to give the nod.

Airlines can indeed contact Thai immigration to ask whether certain passengers will be accepted or not .

Travel is a 24 hour business , it never shuts down for night time

39 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Airlines can indeed contact Thai immigration to ask whether certain passengers will be accepted or not .

Travel is a 24 hour business , it never shuts down for night time

Makes sense. Suvarnabhumi is a 24-hour airport. Immigration never sleeps. And perhaps these days there's more contact between airlines and immigration personnel, what with reports of an increasing number of arrivals being denied entry.

OP's account of what transpired seems quite plausible, but yes, the potential for mischief by airline employees 'going rogue' and feeding him a story does exist as well.

22 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Airlines can indeed contact Thai immigration to ask whether certain passengers will be accepted or not .

Travel is a 24 hour business , it never shuts down for night time

Interesting. However, I remain sceptical. That's not a criticism of your opinion.

4 hours ago, skorts said:

A few years ago, but when I re-entered Thailand (Bangkok) from the U.K. with my new (and old U.K. passport) , 6 months remaining on my retirement extension and a re-entry permit the Immigration officer called over a senior immigration officer and I was stamped in for 7 days.

I showed them my permission to stay was valid for 6 months and my re-entry permit but they said 7 days and to go to my local immigration office to sort it out.

Think I was just unlucky but by giving me only 7 days it forced me to get the stamps transferred to my new passport quickly.

That sounds like a slap on the wrist......An IO transferred mine over at Suvarnabhumi on the way OUT - I think that was the big difference between our respective situations,

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

Personally, I find it very hard to believe that any airline anywhere has a Thai immigration "hot line" to verify anything such as passport acceptance. Given the time zone differences, etc. even more suspicious. The OP's evening check-in in the UK is still the middle of the pre-dawn night, the following morning in Bangkok.

I would wager that someone representing the airline, maybe without an airline supervisor to revert to, made up this "immigration says no" story to cover their arse. A lot of check-in staff are from agencies and can represent any one of several airlines in a working day.

It would be interesting to know the UK airport where the OP was bounced. I had some go-around with a less knowledgeable check-in chap and his first supervisor at MAN, when headed for Suriname via Amsterdam. Took a more senior type to give the nod.

I understand why these issues crop up at check in; my wife inadvertently washed her passport and the dried pages were obviously slightly wrinkled - totally legible though. At almost every subsequent check in airline staff warned her to replace it . Not once did she have an issue ,from Immigration, over 2 years traveling through at least 6 different countries,

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

Interesting. However, I remain sceptical. That's not a criticism of your opinion.

It happens quite frequently .

What would be more convenient if an airline wasn't sure whether the passenger would be allowed into Thailand ?

Allow them to travel, they get refused entry , they wait in IDC for a few dys and get flown back again..or just call Thai immigration and ask them first ?

5 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Personally, I find it very hard to believe that any airline anywhere has a Thai immigration "hot line" to verify anything such as passport acceptance. Given the time zone differences, etc. even more suspicious. The OP's evening check-in in the UK is still the middle of the pre-dawn night, the following morning in Bangkok.

I would wager that someone representing the airline, maybe without an airline supervisor to revert to, made up this "immigration says no" story to cover their arse. A lot of check-in staff are from agencies and can represent any one of several airlines in a working day.

It would be interesting to know the UK airport where the OP was bounced. I had some go-around with a less knowledgeable check-in chap and his first supervisor at MAN, when headed for Suriname via Amsterdam. Took a more senior type to give the nod.

All airlines landing in Thailand will have 24/7 access to Thai immgration as each airline is required before departure to submit a passenger manifest for each flight if a person on the manifest is flagged as entry banned then Thai immgration would prevent that person from flying

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

All airlines landing in Thailand will have 24/7 access to Thai immgration as each airline is required before departure to submit a passenger manifest for each flight if a person on the manifest is flagged as entry banned then Thai immgration would prevent that person from flying

Those pre-approved passengers lists have been a feature for many airlines for a while. I recall the US was probably the first in the aftermath of 9-11? The list has name and passport number among other things but does it list details of any damage?

I was questioning the ability to check if a damaged passport was acceptable but in the face of mostly anecdotal evidence that some form of live 24/7 passport checking is facilitated, I can accept it may be possible.

You quoted someone else using my name, be careful what you post.

15 minutes ago, sandyf said:

You quoted someone else using my name, be careful what you post.

Have removed the post someone incorrectly attributed to you

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