Of course they would be called off.

Today's politics is about press coverage and exposure. The previously planned conference in Switzerland was in some remote mountain luxury resort belonging to Qatar...and was not planned in Geneva that has far better media exposure and hosts the office of the UN.

Swiss authorities must have given in to Qatar wanting to have their hotel cronies in Switzerland make all the buzz.

Next time America and Iran would be far better of in demanding the talks to be held in Geneva, under global prestige and home of the UN and the ICRC (Red Cross). Far better and more prestigious then some abstract luxury hotel retirement resort in a a Swiss Mountain in the midle of nowhere.

3 hours ago, BLMFem said:

So, Ben-Gvir, already wanted by the ICC as well as prosecutors in a number of countries, wants to add more charges. Easily one of the slimiest beings in the Middle East, and that's saying something.

4 IDF met summary justice in the badlands of Southern Lebanon - another fibre-optic fpv drone. They are getting pretty good at it now. They can't be jammed, they can fly under nets and various obstacles they are trying to use to defeat them and they cost a few hundred dollars against a $5 million Merkava Mark IV Israeli tank.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/4-person-idf-tank-crew-including-battalion-chief-killed-by-hezbollah-in-south-lebanon/

55 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Hold on a minute. Something has changed here. Why is everyone ignoring @Yellowtail ?

Who?

48 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

This attack on Lebanon is a calculated move by Bibi.

IMHO it’s one of 2 scenarios,

1. Bibi has leverage on Trump

2. Bibi believes he has the loyalty of the Jewish American politicians

More likely 3. Bibi is terrified of entering elections in 4 months without any concrete wins or wars to distract the public from his failures. His voter base also is war-happy and want to see it continue. He is betting that he can torpedo the deal without Trump reacting (too badly). Whether he actually can or not is another question. My guess is he'll lose the elections, but who knows.

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Is Trump a toddler?

Does he lack.the agency to say no to Israel as did all previous US presidents going back to.W Bush?

Additionally where is it written that Israel is obligated to follow all orders from Washington if they deem them contrary to their national interest?

I see what's happening here.

The maga fascist Trump regime knows their idiotic war of choice against Iran has been a shambolic disaster. So what to do? Find someone to blame. Israel in this case. Sleazeball shape shifter Vance is doing just that. Don't be a sucker This failure is owned by Trump.

Trump is senile and weak.

Add elder abuse to Netanyahu’s war crimes.

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

That's simple minded.

There will be changes but the US is not going to stop being an ally of Israel. It's not in the US interest to do that.

This illegal war of aggression that Israel dragged Trump I to is not in the interests of the U.S.

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This illegal war of aggression that Israel dragged Trump I to is not in the interests of the U.S.

Of course it is not ! Trumps war has not only killed thousands it has killed Americans, people cannot feed themselves, Americans going under and this is America First !!! you have to be joking !!! IF this stops now it will take years for the world to recover !

Well anytime you put Vance in charge you have to assume the mission is going to fail. This entire thing is a very sad episode in American history, Trump has failed miserably, and has set the US back decades, and has advanced Iran's causes.

Mr. Vance claimed that one immediate concession in the memorandum of understanding — lifting oil sanctions on Iran — was “not a new benefit” for the country.

The claim ignores how the economic penalties in place before the war forced Iran to resort to desperate methods to sell oil. The sanctions forced Iran to sell its oil at a steep discount from market prices, mostly to refineries in China that were willing to risk running afoul of U.S. sanctions.

Now, under its preliminary deal with the United States, Iran will be able to sell its oil for more, and to a wider array of buyers. The country will also receive payment in more attractive currencies.

The memorandum commits the United States to supporting the establishment of a $300 billion reconstruction fund for Iran, and it opens the door to the unfreezing of billions of dollars in frozen Iranian assets held around the world.

The memorandum also calls for the lifting of an array of international sanctions that have crippled Iran’s economy for years, subject to agreement on the final deal.

Critics have said the memorandum amounts to a giveaway, with no assurance of the United States getting anything in return.

Israel awoke to a frightening new reality on Thursday as it absorbed, with disbelief and largely in silence, the terms of President Trump’s preliminary agreement to end the war with Iran.

It accomplishes none of Israel’s war aims, analysts and officials said, and arguably leaves the country in worse shape on each of them.

Regime change? The government in Tehran is emerging from the war even more hard-line and emboldened, despite being decapitated at the outset of the conflict in late February. The deal’s requirement that American forces retreat from the “proximity” of Iran within 30 days means that Iran can boast that it has chased the U.S. military out of the region.

Ballistic missiles and proxy militias? The agreement does nothing to address Iran’s missile arsenal or its support of Israel’s enemies, like Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Houthis in Yemen.

Worse still for Israel, by constraining its military in Lebanon — indeed, by requiring that Israel withdraw its forces from that country — the agreement seeks to handcuff Israel in a way that it was not before the war.

The hundreds of billions of dollars that Iran may receive in sanctions relief, unfrozen assets, or reconstruction aid could wind up funding more missiles in Iran and aiding Tehran’s militia allies around the Middle East.

And Iran’s nuclear program? The existential threat to Israel that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel has tried to eliminate throughout his career, and which was Mr. Trump’s primary reason for joining the wars on Iran, was left for a later stage of U.S.-Iran negotiations.

“It’s a bad agreement in which the Americans are paying with cash, and got, at the maximum, a letter of intent,” Yaakov Amidror, a hawkish former national security adviser to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, said in an interview.

David Horovitz, the editor of The Times of Israel, called it “a catastrophic capitulation,” in the headline of a fiery opinion column.

And Nir Dvori, an analyst for Israel’s Channel 12 News, likened the deal to a “diplomatic Oct. 7” — a cataclysmic disaster for which Israel was wholly unprepared.

“We are remaking the region,” Chuck Freilich, a former Israeli deputy national security adviser, said on Thursday.

“Iran came out stronger, and I believe is now the regional hegemon,” he added. “They stood up to the U.S., the global superpower. They can have missiles, and there’s nothing in the agreement about the nuclear issue except we’ll talk about it. This is an Iranian victory over the U.S. and Israel.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/world/middleeast/israel-iran-deal-reaction-netanyahu.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

10 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Well anytime you put Vance in charge you have to assume the mission is going to fail. This entire thing is a very sad episode in American history, Trump has failed miserably, and has set the US back decades, and has advanced Iran's causes.

Mr. Vance claimed that one immediate concession in the memorandum of understanding — lifting oil sanctions on Iran — was “not a new benefit” for the country.

The claim ignores how the economic penalties in place before the war forced Iran to resort to desperate methods to sell oil. The sanctions forced Iran to sell its oil at a steep discount from market prices, mostly to refineries in China that were willing to risk running afoul of U.S. sanctions.

Now, under its preliminary deal with the United States, Iran will be able to sell its oil for more, and to a wider array of buyers. The country will also receive payment in more attractive currencies.

The memorandum commits the United States to supporting the establishment of a $300 billion reconstruction fund for Iran, and it opens the door to the unfreezing of billions of dollars in frozen Iranian assets held around the world.

The memorandum also calls for the lifting of an array of international sanctions that have crippled Iran’s economy for years, subject to agreement on the final deal.

Critics have said the memorandum amounts to a giveaway, with no assurance of the United States getting anything in return.

Israel awoke to a frightening new reality on Thursday as it absorbed, with disbelief and largely in silence, the terms of President Trump’s preliminary agreement to end the war with Iran.

It accomplishes none of Israel’s war aims, analysts and officials said, and arguably leaves the country in worse shape on each of them.

Regime change? The government in Tehran is emerging from the war even more hard-line and emboldened, despite being decapitated at the outset of the conflict in late February. The deal’s requirement that American forces retreat from the “proximity” of Iran within 30 days means that Iran can boast that it has chased the U.S. military out of the region.

Ballistic missiles and proxy militias? The agreement does nothing to address Iran’s missile arsenal or its support of Israel’s enemies, like Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Houthis in Yemen.

Worse still for Israel, by constraining its military in Lebanon — indeed, by requiring that Israel withdraw its forces from that country — the agreement seeks to handcuff Israel in a way that it was not before the war.

The hundreds of billions of dollars that Iran may receive in sanctions relief, unfrozen assets, or reconstruction aid could wind up funding more missiles in Iran and aiding Tehran’s militia allies around the Middle East.

And Iran’s nuclear program? The existential threat to Israel that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel has tried to eliminate throughout his career, and which was Mr. Trump’s primary reason for joining the wars on Iran, was left for a later stage of U.S.-Iran negotiations.

“It’s a bad agreement in which the Americans are paying with cash, and got, at the maximum, a letter of intent,” Yaakov Amidror, a hawkish former national security adviser to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, said in an interview.

David Horovitz, the editor of The Times of Israel, called it “a catastrophic capitulation,” in the headline of a fiery opinion column.

And Nir Dvori, an analyst for Israel’s Channel 12 News, likened the deal to a “diplomatic Oct. 7” — a cataclysmic disaster for which Israel was wholly unprepared.

“We are remaking the region,” Chuck Freilich, a former Israeli deputy national security adviser, said on Thursday.

“Iran came out stronger, and I believe is now the regional hegemon,” he added. “They stood up to the U.S., the global superpower. They can have missiles, and there’s nothing in the agreement about the nuclear issue except we’ll talk about it. This is an Iranian victory over the U.S. and Israel.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/world/middleeast/israel-iran-deal-reaction-netanyahu.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

Too bad your hero Tim Walz is not in charge

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This illegal war of aggression that Israel dragged Trump I to is not in the interests of the U.S.

I know you hate Israel so you can't think clearly but it was Trump's free will choice.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump is senile and weak.

Add elder abuse to Netanyahu’s war crimes.

You really can't help yourself.

Shape shifter Vance spewing lies.

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Shape shifter Vance spewing lies.

What lies did shape-shifter Vance spew?

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I know you hate Israel so you can't think clearly but it was Trump's free will choice.

Rubio let the cat out of the ‘Trump’s free choice’ bag.

You could counter by stating why you think the illegal war of aggression against Iran that Israel dragged the U.S. into is in the best interests of US.

It clearly is not and voters across the U.S. political spectrum have woken up to that fact.

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

You really can't help yourself.

Trump is senile and weak, Netanyahu has lead the old man into an illegal war. There is an ICC warrant for Netanyahu’s arrest under charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

I don’t need to help myself.

54 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump is senile and weak, Netanyahu has lead the old man into an illegal war. There is an ICC warrant for Netanyahu’s arrest under charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

I don’t need to help myself.

If the war is illegal, why has the ICC not issued a warrant for Trump's arrest?

17 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

They will if the left has their way.

The left doesn't care

Any Sane person of any party is against israels over actions, except ignorant people that turn a blind eye to the atrocities they are carrying out. Even trump pulling a taco on israel's actions

I suppose its either revenge for the past they have endured or a sense of self imporantance over everyone around them without any thought or recognition for other countries sovereignty. Either way they are a blight on intelligence as are the supporters of their genocide.

4 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Any Sane person of any party is against israels over actions, except ignorant people that turn a blind eye to the atrocities they are carrying out. Even trump pulling a taco on israel's actions

I suppose its either revenge for the past they have endured or a sense of self imporantance over everyone around them without any thought or recognition for other countries sovereignty. Either way they are a blight on intelligence as are the supporters of their genocide.

Making a coherent argument is difficult, so rather than do that, you just claim everyone you disagree with is stupid and insane. Let me guess, you're a leftist, yes?

The US has to withdraw all funding from dollar one until Israel steps into line and starts behaving like a civilized nation.

And Israel needs to find themselves a decent leader who's not a genocidal fool.

16 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Iran knows the American left it with them against Trump, as long as they can hold out they'll be okay

So silly.

Iran has Trump's number. Apparently Iran hired some psychologists to advise them on how to manhandle Trump. They know his weaknesses. They know how fragile his ego is. They know he fears being the new Herbert Hoover. They pulled his chain. They turned him from "no missiles" and "no nuclear program" to "It isn't fair other neighbors can have missiles and a nuclear program".

The mullahs also understand Netanyahu. They knew full well he would not stop. They know what hangs over him, which is a trial and maybe jail. Toss into the hastily manufactured MoU the provision that any Israel attack in Lebanon subsequent to the signing obviates the entire deal, and Iran can claim a breach of contract and pull out. Iran threw a softball pitch, knowing Netanyahu would swing for the fences.

Just because they are bad people, that doesn't mean the mullahs are not clever. They don't need "the left". They know just how weak and dumb and vulnerable is "the right".

Had Trump kept anyone with expertise in his Administration, he would have been told what would happen if he attacked Iran. The agency tried to tell him, even originally getting the assistance of soon-to-be former DNI Gabbard. She got called on the carpet for relaying the agency's best assessment, because it differed from Trump's "gut feel". She then fired Mike Collins, an agency expert on Iran seconded to ODNI. Other agency experts quit, retired, or were fired by Trump's lackey Ratcliffe. No more Paul Nevin, no more Mark Polymeroplous. No more Ayatollah Mike. No more Tom Rakusan. Hoping to keep her job, Gabbard drank the Kool Aid, or Diet Coke. The agency was 100% right. Yea, those "lefties" knew exactly how the war would go, and how it would end in US capitulation and defeat.

I ran this by an AI model in order to make sure I was understanding the significance of this statement correctly.

"For every tear of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese mothers must cry. All of Lebanon must burn!"
-Itamar Ben Gvir, Israel's National Security Minister

Sourced from Gvir's X account. https://x.com/itamarbengvir/status/2067865510281170957


From X Grok:
"This statement is an explicit call for disproportionate collective punishment and reprisals against Lebanese civilians, framed in near-identical language to the Nazi "reprisal" policies.

agenzianova.com

It directly advocates a 1000:1 ratio of civilian suffering (Lebanese mothers crying/tears) in response to Israeli losses, coupled with a demand to burn an entire country. This mirrors the Nazi Vergeltungsmaßnahmen (reprisals) and Bandenbekämpfung (anti-partisan warfare) doctrine, where German forces declared ratios like 50–100 civilians executed per German soldier killed as "security measures" or retaliation.

aa.com.tr

Legal and doctrinal terms that apply:

• Collective punishment: Prohibited under Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Punishing a civilian population (Lebanese mothers, civilians across Lebanon) for actions by combatants (Hezbollah killing soldiers) is a classic violation.

  en.vijesti.me

• Disproportionate reprisals / indiscriminate attacks: A 1000:1 explicit targeting of civilian suffering far exceeds any legitimate military objective and violates principles of distinction and proportionality in international humanitarian law (Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions).

• Inciting war crimes or crimes against humanity: Calls to "burn" an entire country and inflict mass civilian harm can qualify as incitement, especially from a government minister. Critics (including some Western officials) have labeled similar rhetoric as genocidal incitement when it targets a national group with intent to destroy or severely harm it in part.

  facebook.com

• State-sponsored terror or punitive deterrence through terror: In military ethics and counter-insurgency contexts, this is "terror bombing" or "punitive raiding" logic—using overwhelming civilian harm to break enemy will—rather than precise targeting of military threats.

Ben-Gvir made this as Israel's National Security Minister in a public post, following soldier deaths in southern Lebanon operations (amid a fragile 2024/2025-26 ceasefire with Hezbollah). He has a history of far-right rhetoric, but the statement stands on its own as inflammatory.

Context of application:

• Israel frames its actions as self-defense against Hezbollah (an Iran-backed group that initiated rocket attacks and embeds in civilian areas). Supporters view this as raw frustration after losses, not literal policy.

• However, the exact phrasing (ratio of mothers' tears, "all must burn," "go berserk") matches the historical pattern of reprisal doctrines condemned at Nuremberg and in modern IHL. It is not "measured self-defense" language—it's escalatory revenge rhetoric against a civilian population.

In short: By the standards applied to Nazi behavior or generic aggressor threats, this is reprisal doctrine via collective punishment—a war crime if implemented through deliberate civilian targeting. Rhetoric like this fuels cycles of escalation but does not change the legal classification."

With this rhetoric from the Israeli National Security Minister, the first item in the US-Iranian MOU will never be accomplished.
"The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war, by signing this MOU, declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon, and undertake from now on not to initiate any war or any military operation against each other, and to refrain from the threat or use of force against each other, and ensuring the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Lebanon."

Edited June 20Jun 20 by connda

1 hour ago, Wingate said:

So silly.

Iran has Trump's number. Apparently Iran hired some psychologists to advise them on how to manhandle Trump. They know his weaknesses. They know how fragile his ego is. They know he fears being the new Herbert Hoover. They pulled his chain. They turned him from "no missiles" and "no nuclear program" to "It isn't fair other neighbors can have missiles and a nuclear program".

The mullahs also understand Netanyahu. They knew full well he would not stop. They know what hangs over him, which is a trial and maybe jail. Toss into the hastily manufactured MoU the provision that any Israel attack in Lebanon subsequent to the signing obviates the entire deal, and Iran can claim a breach of contract and pull out. Iran threw a softball pitch, knowing Netanyahu would swing for the fences.

Just because they are bad people, that doesn't mean the mullahs are not clever. They don't need "the left". They know just how weak and dumb and vulnerable is "the right".

Had Trump kept anyone with expertise in his Administration, he would have been told what would happen if he attacked Iran. The agency tried to tell him, even originally getting the assistance of soon-to-be former DNI Gabbard. She got called on the carpet for relaying the agency's best assessment, because it differed from Trump's "gut feel". She then fired Mike Collins, an agency expert on Iran seconded to ODNI. Other agency experts quit, retired, or were fired by Trump's lackey Ratcliffe. No more Paul Nevin, no more Mark Polymeroplous. No more Ayatollah Mike. No more Tom Rakusan. Hoping to keep her job, Gabbard drank the Kool Aid, or Diet Coke. The agency was 100% right. Yea, those "lefties" knew exactly how the war would go, and how it would end in US capitulation and defeat.

So silly.

Next, you're going to tell how great the JCPOA was.

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Making a coherent argument is difficult, so rather than do that, you just claim everyone you disagree with is stupid and insane. Let me guess, you're a leftist, yes?

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Making a coherent argument is difficult, so rather than do that, you just claim everyone you disagree with is stupid and insane. Let me guess, you're a leftist, yes?

I believe i stated my position clearly and you seem to be the confused one. No i am not a leftisit as Ive told you numerous times.

You on the other hand appear to support the genocide that Israel is inflicting on its neighboring countries correct? Lets hear you justify that position if you can. Im betting you cant

8 minutes ago, Dan O said:

I believe i stated my position clearly and you seem to be the confused one. No i am not a leftisit as Ive told you numerous times.

You on the other hand appear to support the genocide that Israel is inflicting on its neighboring countries correct? Lets hear you justify that position if you can. Im betting you cant

Israel are fighting aginast Hamas and Hezbollah .

Hamas and Hezbollah both wsnted to fight , Israel had no other option than joining in .

The genocide claim is just claim made by the Palestine side to demonise Israel . Its part of their war against Israel strategy

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Israel are fighting aginast Hamas and Hezbollah .

Hamas and Hezbollah both wsnted to fight , Israel had no other option than joining in .

The genocide claim is just claim made by the Palestine side to demonise Israel . Its part of their war against Israel strategy

Better do some independent research. Innoocent civilians being slaughtered in the name of clearing land in a sovereign country under the excuse of fight terror doesn't hold up.

54 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Better do some independent research. Innoocent civilians being slaughtered in the name of clearing land in a sovereign country under the excuse of fight terror doesn't hold up.

Which sovereign Country would that be ?

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Which sovereign Country would that be ?

Look at a map of the surrounding countries israel has attacked in excess under the excuse of fighhting terrorists.

3 hours ago, Dan O said:

I believe i stated my position clearly and you seem to be the confused one. No i am not a leftisit as Ive told you numerous times.

You on the other hand appear to support the genocide that Israel is inflicting on its neighboring countries correct? Lets hear you justify that position if you can. Im betting you cant

The "position" you stated was that the people you disagree with were stupid and crazy.

That's weak brother, even for you.

Incidentally, I have noticed that most all leftists claim they are not leftist, but because leftists lie incessantly, what they say generally means nothing.

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The "position" you stated was that the people you disagree with were stupid and crazy.

That's weak brother, even for you.

Incidentally, I have noticed that most all leftists claim they are not leftist, but because leftists lie incessantly, what they say generally means nothing.

So you do agree with the genocide carried out by Israel against their neighbors and innocent civilians in the guise of fighting terrorism. Kill them all and let their god sort them out. Got it.

its ok to admit you dont care or that you agree if thats how you feel but stop trying to hide behind your interpretation of the left causing all the ills of the world.

speaking of liars hows your boy trump holding up? not so well but winning is hard, especially when you have no clue what that means or how to accomplish it.

19 minutes ago, Dan O said:

So you do agree with the genocide carried out by Israel against their neighbors and innocent civilians in the guise of fighting terrorism. Kill them all and let their god sort them out. Got it.

its ok to admit you dont care or that you agree if thats how you feel but stop trying to hide behind your interpretation of the left causing all the ills of the world.

speaking of liars hows your boy trump holding up? not so well but winning is hard, especially when you have no clue what that means or how to accomplish it.

I do not agree that a genocide is being carried out.