9 minutes ago, Autocan said:

Correction, Aoun and Salam, President and PM, respectively, US puppets both, have signed to happily sell out the south of the country to Israel. Hezbollah is not a party to the agreement because they want to defend Lebanon from the IDF. And if reports are to be believed they are doing a good job.

Lebanon and its people want Hezbollah gone from their Couutry .

Hezbollah were not invited to the talks

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Lebanon and its people want Hezbollah gone from their Couutry .

There were massive protests across the country when the agreement was signed so, no, "Lebanon and its people" aren't all on one side. Unfortunately, the country has Shia-Sunni-Christian factions at loggerheads.

Nevertheless, on the ground it's only Hezbollah resisting the invading Jewish Israeli animals.

Edited July 5Jul 5 by Autocan

1 hour ago, Autocan said:

There were massive protests across the country when the agreement was signed so, no, "Lebanon and its people" aren't all on one side. Unfortunately, the country has Shia-Sunni-Christian factions at loggerheads.

Nevertheless, on the ground it's only Hezbollah resisting the invading Jewish Israeli animals.

seems there were just 100s of Hezbollah supporters protesting against the agreement , that's NOT a massive protest and it doesn't show that the Lebanese people want Hezbollah to stay .

Seems like its just Hezbollah who oppose the peace agreement

Lebanon had been the most tolerant and free Arab country in the world before the invasion by the PLO in September 1970. Christians and Muslims had lived in harmony and even the Sunni and Shiites had left each other alone. The 10,000 Lebanese Jews had gotten along with all the country's religious denominations and sects.

Lebanon had been the only Arab country from which there had been no mass flight of Jews after the founding of Israel in 1948. In fact, Lebanon's Jewish population may have temporarily doubled as Jews driven out from other Middle Eastern countries sought short-term refuge in Lebanon.

After the PLO was kicked out of Jordan in 1970, the influx of tens of thousands of Palestinians upset the balance of power in Lebanon and caused many. many years of bloody conflict that turned Lebanon into hell on Earth.

As a university student in my early 20s, I had the good fortune to visit Lebanon in January, 1970, about nine months before the PLO invasion. At that time, Beirut truly deserved its nickname, "The Paris of the Middle East." I was amazed at the beauty of the city and the extremely friendly and open people, both Christians and Muslims. Beirut had a very active nightlife scene and it was possible to meet Lebanese girls in bars and discos just like you'd meet girls in the West. I had been astounded that could happen in an Arab country.

The PLO quickly changed all of that, pitting Christians against Muslims and Sunnis against Shiites. The PLO set up dozens of bases in southern Lebanon from which it launched attacks on Israel, forcing the IDF to take countermeasures. Israel didn't invade Lebanon to seize land but to protect Israeli lives. Once Hezbollah is destroyed, the IDF will have no reason to occupy Lebanon.

3 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Lebanon had been the most tolerant and free Arab country in the world before the invasion by the PLO in September 1970. Christians and Muslims had lived in harmony and even the Sunni and Shiites had left each other alone. The 10,000 Lebanese Jews had gotten along with all the country's religious denominations and sects.

Lebanon had been the only Arab country from which there had been no mass flight of Jews after the founding of Israel in 1948. In fact, Lebanon's Jewish population may have temporarily doubled as Jews driven out from other Middle Eastern countries sought short-term refuge in Lebanon.

After the PLO was kicked out of Jordan in 1970, the influx of tens of thousands of Palestinians upset the balance of power in Lebanon and caused many. many years of bloody conflict that turned Lebanon into hell on Earth.

As a university student in my early 20s, I had the good fortune to visit Lebanon in January, 1970, about nine months before the PLO invasion. At that time, Beirut truly deserved its nickname, "The Paris of the Middle East." I was amazed at the beauty of the city and the extremely friendly and open people, both Christians and Muslims. Beirut had a very active nightlife scene and it was possible to meet Lebanese girls in bars and discos just like you'd meet girls in the West. I had been astounded that could happen in an Arab country.

The PLO quickly changed all of that, pitting Christians against Muslims and Sunnis against Shiites. The PLO set up dozens of bases in southern Lebanon from which it launched attacks on Israel, forcing the IDF to take countermeasures. Israel didn't invade Lebanon to seize land but to protect Israeli lives. Once Hezbollah is destroyed, the IDF will have no reason to occupy Lebanon.

A very simplistic representation of a complex history, that oddly omits significant historical events such as the expulsion of Palestinians to Lebanon by Israel.

32 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

A very simplistic representation of a complex history, that oddly omits significant historical events such as the expulsion of Palestinians to Lebanon by Israel.

Are you referring to the flight of Palestinians from Israel to Lebanon in 1948? Palestinians have lived as refugees in Lebanon for what is now going on the fifth generation. They cannot become Lebanese citizens, nor can they own property or work in many professions. They survive through aid from UNRWA, with nearly half the Palestinians in Lebanon still in refugee camps.

https://www.unrwa.org/where-we-work/lebanon?__cf_chl_f_tk=CviT.BfvN6vjyziEdsrfBQFQB.eUwlD7cNh.29ncE7A-1783321589-1.0.1.1-3NcXjlM_nPqzydas3vqeZcHub94wwhQQ09YDJ.yV9A4

The way you are rewriting and reinterpreting history is unbelievable:

On 7/6/2026 at 9:43 AM, Evil Penevil said:

Lebanon had been the most tolerant and free Arab country in the world before the invasion by the PLO in September 1970.

Christians and Muslims had lived in harmony and even the Sunni and Shiites had left each other alone. The 10,000 Lebanese Jews had gotten along with all the country's religious denominations and sects.

the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) did not invade Lebanon. Instead, the PLO relocated its headquarters and military forces to Lebanon in the early 1970s after being expelled from Jordan.

On 7/6/2026 at 9:43 AM, Evil Penevil said:

Lebanon had been the only Arab country from which there had been no mass flight of Jews after the founding of Israel in 1948. In fact, Lebanon's Jewish population may have temporarily doubled as Jews driven out from other Middle Eastern countries sought short-term refuge in Lebanon.

There was no mass flight or kicking out of Jews after the founding of Israel in 1948. Most just left for their newly created Jewish only country.

Too bad none of the Lebanese Jews moved to Israel. They could have taught the Zionists how Jews, Christians and Muslims could live together in peace and harmony.

The Zionists could have even learned from the Palestinians who have been living there next to Christians and Jews for centuries peacefully.

Unfortunately in their narrow minded and greedy minds there can be only an exclusively Jewish state, so they founded the first terrorist organizations in the Middle East and the rest is sad history.

On 7/6/2026 at 9:43 AM, Evil Penevil said:

The PLO quickly changed all of that, pitting Christians against Muslims and Sunnis against Shiites. The PLO set up dozens of bases in southern Lebanon from which it launched attacks on Israel, forcing the IDF to take countermeasures. Israel didn't invade Lebanon to seize land but to protect Israeli lives. Once Hezbollah is destroyed, the IDF will have no reason to occupy Lebanon.

The PLO did not intentionally orchestrate a deliberate strategy to pit sects against each other.

Israel invaded Lebanon which lead to the foundation of Hezbollah by Lebanese Shia clerics in 1982.

Israel stole land from Lebanon calling it security zone or buffer zone.

How many times have I heard this empty BS promise:

"Once Hezbollah/Hamas/PLO/Iran/Iraq/Qatar/Syria/Yemen is destroyed / the hostages are free, then and only then but for sure then ... Israel/the IDF will have no reason to ....."

All the horrors and the hell on earth in the Middle East, to use your description, started because one people lack the ability to live in peace with other people within the same borders.

They have this paranoia that other people want to harm them and in order to prevent that they keep harming other people.

Or in numbers: Since the foundation of Israel in 1948 about 5500 Israelis have been violently killed by Palestinians in attacks and hostilities.

In the same time more than 136,000 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli forces and up to as many as 200,000 to 350,000+ when accounting for the full scope of indirect casualties.

They could have founded a state for all the people in the area and lived next to each other peacefully same as in the centuries before, but they chose to turn into the monsters, which once massacred their ancestors adapting their racial beliefs into their racial-religious beliefs and seeing the other side as some kind of subhuman, born to be stolen from and exterminated.

7 hours ago, Somjot said:

The way you are rewriting and reinterpreting history is unbelievable:

I didn't rewrite anything; I gave an accurate account of what happened. You for the most part are merely quibbling over terminology. I will acknowledge that I interpret history very differently than the PLO, Hamas and Hezbollah.

7 hours ago, Somjot said:

the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) did not invade Lebanon. Instead, the PLO relocated its headquarters and military forces to Lebanon in the early 1970s after being expelled from Jordan.

I called the incursion into Lebanon without the permission of the Lebanese government of tens of thousands of PLO members and sympathizers and their families an invasion. You phrase it as "the PLO relocated its headquarters and military forces." Invasion or relocation? As Thai bar girls are wont to say, "Same-same but different."

7 hours ago, Somjot said:

There was no mass flight or kicking out of Jews after the founding of Israel in 1948. Most just left for their newly created Jewish only country.

Many historians would disagree. An excerpt from an authoritative report states:

"With the creation of the State of Israel in 1948, the status of Jews in Arab countries changed dramatically as virtually all Arab states in the region declared war or backed the war to destroy Israel. These events triggered a dramatic surge in a longstanding pattern of discrimination and abuse that made the lives of Jews in Arab countries simply untenable. Jews were either uprooted from their countries of birth or became subjugated political hostages in the Arab world's struggle against Israel. In virtually all cases, as Jews fled, individual and communal properties were seized and/or confiscated without any compensation provided by the Arab governments involved."

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meetdocs/2004_2009/documents/fd/il20062006_07/il20062006_07en.pdf

12 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

I didn't rewrite anything; I gave an accurate account of what happened. You for the most part are merely quibbling over terminology. I will acknowledge that I interpret history very differently than the PLO, Hamas and Hezbollah.

Well, if we use your way of interpretation of history then you will consequently have to acknowledge that Jews invaded Palestine in the decades before the creation of Israel, as the incursion into Palestine took place without the permission of the Palestinians, right?

12 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

I called the incursion into Lebanon without the permission of the Lebanese government of tens of thousands of PLO members and sympathizers and their families an invasion. You phrase it as "the PLO relocated its headquarters and military forces." Invasion or relocation? As Thai bar girls are wont to say, "Same-same but different."

The Lebanese Sunni Muslims, the majority in Lebanon, supported the PLO and its armed presence while the Maronite Christian factions opposed it.

However, the Lebanese government signed the 1969 Cairo Agreement, which legally allowed the PLO to establish military bases in southern Lebanon and run its own refugee camps.

I´ve never heard of an invasion with a signed agreement.

12 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Many historians would disagree. An excerpt from an authoritative report states:

"With the creation of the State of Israel in 1948, the status of Jews in Arab countries changed dramatically as virtually all Arab states in the region declared war or backed the war to destroy Israel. These events triggered a dramatic surge in a longstanding pattern of discrimination and abuse that made the lives of Jews in Arab countries simply untenable. Jews were either uprooted from their countries of birth or became subjugated political hostages in the Arab world's struggle against Israel. In virtually all cases, as Jews fled, individual and communal properties were seized and/or confiscated without any compensation provided by the Arab governments involved."

War& Conflict

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meetdocs/2004_2009/documents/fd/il20062006_07/il20062006_07en.pdf

Israeli historians would like to describe the mass migration of Jews from Middle Eastern countries to Israel as some kind of second Nakba.

Only the number of killed Jews in these countries, Egypt 70, Yemen 80, Morocco 44 and Iraq 180, the latter most likely caused by Mossad agents to scare the Jews out and into Israel, as Avi Shlaim, the British-Israeli historian has uncovered, is nothing compared to the 10,000 Palestinians massacred in the  real Nakba.

Look, we can dig around in the past here as much as we want.

Absolutely nothing of it changes any of the atrocities that Israel has deliberately committed over the last 1,000 days.

A population, defined by affiliation with or descent from an archaic religion, which supports genocide (Amalek) and child marriage including child grape (Mishnah Niddah 5:4), that elects a government which, in turn, orders the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children cannot be defended or sugarcoated in any way, and furthermore, does not deserve a country of its own.

18 minutes ago, Somjot said:

A population, defined by affiliation with or descent from an archaic religion, which supports genocide (Amalek) and child marriage including child grape (Mishnah Niddah 5:4), that elects a government which, in turn, orders the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children cannot be defended or sugarcoated in any way, and furthermore, does not deserve a country of its own

got it. you are an insane drooling jew hater.

19 hours ago, Yagoda said:

got it. you are an insane drooling jew hater.

No, I'm not.

What you so diligently refuse to understand is that I don't hate anybody, but I do oppose a certain group of people.

I oppose people who intentionally hurt innocent men, women, and children—especially children, because they are the ones who have the least ability to protect themselves and are the most vulnerable.

Consequently, they need to be protected the most.

I will always speak up against people who hurt or kill children, no matter their religion or nationality.

So, if I am opposing Israelis right now—not even particularly Jews—then I do this because they are hurting innocent people, and not because they are Israeli.

Some people love cats; some people love dogs. Now, if a dog lover intentionally hurts a child, I will try to stop him, not because he is a dog lover, but because he hurts a child.

And you perfectly understand that, yet you would rather call me a "dog-lover hater" than a child protector.

Against your own better knowledge, you try to frame me as a Jew-hater.

You pretend to side with Jews, but the truth is you support the crimes committed by the IDF and oppose those who speak up against those crimes, which makes you complicit.

Therefore, they are drawn to powerful institutions and organizations, even or precisely because these entities act with impunity.

You KNOW what Israel has done to Gaza is a crime.

You KNOW that if any of those countries which Israel has attacked in the last few months had flattened every hospital, university, and school—you name it—in Israel, killed 60,000 Israeli children, including 3,000 under the age of one (I tripled the numbers, as the population of Israel is three times higher than in Gaza), and had invaded Israel, taking the land and killing what is left of the population, you would NOT say something like: “Well, this happens if you start a war. The Jews were using their own children as human shields.”

Or, who knows, maybe you would.

Because the only reason for your undeniably disturbed relationship with justice that I can imagine is a sick affinity for power and superiority, which goes so far as to even deny innocent children their right to live.

This phenomenon is quite common among Western expats in Thailand.

Living in a foreign culture, surrounded by people whose language and mentality they don´t understand and whose actions they cannot predict, leads to a feeling of a loss of control, making them lonely and insecure.

Beyond the fact that this is cowardice in its purest guise, it is a folly of the highest degree—for you blind yourself to a simple truth:

Power bears no friends. Power knows but two kinds of souls: those it shatters, and those it sates. And the very moment a soul of the latter ceases to serve, it is cast into the ruins of the former.

But something tells me that should this realization ever dawn upon you, it will already be too late.

You truly have doomed yourself.

Edited July 12Jul 12 by Somjot

3 hours ago, Somjot said:

You truly have doomed yourself

got it. you are a dangerous lunatic anti-semite who becomes more and more unhinged with each post

8 hours ago, Somjot said:

Too bad none of the Lebanese Jews moved to Israel. They could have taught the Zionists how Jews, Christians and Muslims could live together in peace and harmony.

The Zionists could have even learned from the Palestinians who have been living there next to Christians and Jews for centuries peacefully.

Unfortunately in their narrow minded and greedy minds there can be only an exclusively Jewish state, so they founded the first terrorist organizations in the Middle East and the rest is sad history.

It's a myth that Muslims, Christians and Jews lived "peacefully" in Palestine before the founding of the state of Israel. Non-Muslims were at best second-class suhjects (dhimmis) who were victims of pogroms from time to time. You can read the details in these scholarly articles:

History of Muslim-Jewish Conflicts: From the 7th Century to Today

https://sephardicu.com/sephardic-history/history-of-muslim-jewish-conflicts/

Pogroms in Palestine before the creation of the state of Israel (1830-1948)

https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/pogroms-in-palestine-before-the-creation-of-the-state-of-israel-1830-1948/

Jews in the Ottoman Empire had been subject to the following restrictions, among others: A special tax (the jizya) as well prohibitions against carrying arms; riding horses; building new houses of worship or repairing old ones; public processions and worship; and building homes higher than Muslim ones. In some areas, Jews were required to wear distinctive clothing. Jews were also restricted from entering most occupations and professions.

http://jewishhistory.research.wesleyan.edu/i-jewish-population/5-ottoman-empire/

8 hours ago, Somjot said:

The PLO did not intentionally orchestrate a deliberate strategy to pit sects against each other.

Israel invaded Lebanon which lead to the foundation of Hezbollah by Lebanese Shia clerics in 1982.

Israel stole land from Lebanon calling it security zone or buffer zone.

How many times have I heard this empty BS promise:

"Once Hezbollah/Hamas/PLO/Iran/Iraq/Qatar/Syria/Yemen is destroyed / the hostages are free, then and only then but for sure then ... Israel/the IDF will have no reason to ....."

The PLO formed alliances with Lebanese Muslim and leftist groups against Christian groups, destroying the previous balance of power in Lebanon. Jews were caught in the middle. The PLO set up a "state-within-a-state" in southern Lebanon from which it launched rocket and artillery attacks on Israel as well as infiltration missions.

Israel invaded Lebanon to stop these attacks, with the goal of bolstering a Christian government that would expel the PLO and Palestinian refugees from the country. The goal was never to take over land from Lebanon but only to make the northern border with Israel more secure.

8 hours ago, Somjot said:

All the horrors and the hell on earth in the Middle East, to use your description, started because one people lack the ability to live in peace with other people within the same borders.

They have this paranoia that other people want to harm them and in order to prevent that they keep harming other people.

Or in numbers: Since the foundation of Israel in 1948 about 5500 Israelis have been violently killed by Palestinians in attacks and hostilities.

In the same time more than 136,000 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli forces and up to as many as 200,000 to 350,000+ when accounting for the full scope of indirect casualties.

They could have founded a state for all the people in the area and lived next to each other peacefully same as in the centuries before, but they chose to turn into the monsters, which once massacred their ancestors adapting their racial beliefs into their racial-religious beliefs and seeing the other side as some kind of subhuman, born to be stolen from and exterminated.

It's not unusual in war that some countries suffer much higher civilian casualties than others. In WWII, an estimated 1.5 to 3 million German civilians were killed, about 30% children under 18. Between 500,000 and 800,000 Japanese civilians lost their lives, with 40% children.

The U.S. lost between 1,200 and 12,100 civilians, depending on how civilian is defined. The higher figure includes 9,500 Merchant Marine seamen lost at sea as well as civilians working in combat zones. Only six American civilians died on Continental U.S. soil through enemy action, teacher and five students killed by a Japanese balloon bomb in Oregon. By any measure, U.S. civilian losses were tiny compared to Germany and Japan and infinitesimal compared to China or the Soviet Union.

The reason is simple. Aside from Pearl Harbor, there was very little combat in areas with U.S. civilians and U.S. civilians weren't subjected to aerial bombing. Israeli civilians are vulnerable, but have had a better situation than Palestinians, so their deaths and casualties from military action are much lower,

3 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

It's a myth that Muslims, Christians and Jews lived "peacefully" in Palestine before the founding of the state of Israel.

Jews in the Ottoman Empire had been subject to the following restrictions, among others: A special tax (the jizya) as well prohibitions against carrying arms; riding horses; building new houses of worship or repairing old ones; public processions and worship; and building homes higher than Muslim ones. In some areas, Jews were required to wear distinctive clothing. Jews were also restricted from entering most occupations and professions.

Does that sound familiar to you?

I can't help it, but it reminds me of pretty much all the restrictions foreigners are subject to in Thailand: carrying arms is strictly forbidden, and while you can build houses, you cannot own the land.

You also cannot build homes higher than those built by Thais (remember the Ocean Tower?). Furthermore, foreigners are restricted from entering certain beach areas and most occupations and professions, yet we keep coming in masses.

Now, let's look at the restrictions Palestinians are subject to in the occupied territories:

young hoodlums showing up at your place, destroying your property, killing your livestock, kicking you out of your house, and murdering your wife and children if you resist. And if the army shows up, it sides with the hoodlums.

Your children are shot, and army soldiers stand around watching them bleed to death while prohibiting any emergency vehicles from reaching them.

And if one of the perpetrators gets convicted for the murder of a child—which happens as often as winning the lottery—he is sentenced to two months of community service.

For taking an innocents child´s life!!!

Let's say there is a slight difference here between how Muslims treated Jews and how Jews are treating Muslims, and let's not forget you are talking about 100 to 200 years ago, a time where humanity yet had to come up with things like human rights and Geneva Convention, etc. while the atrocities done to Muslims are happening right now as we speak.

Obviously in a Muslim Empire some 200 years ago Jews were treated much better than Muslims are treated now by Jews from the only democracy in the Middle East.

Intentionally shooting kids - who does that?

1 hour ago, Somjot said:

Intentionally shooting kids - who does that?

oh the filthy animal jew haters are great at it, and even more creative than just bullets, like tossing infants into pools of burning fat, bashing their heads on truck bumpers or door jambs, hacking them with swords, tossing them in the air and impaling them on bayonets...what fun huh? maybe find some twins and sew them together?

The idea that early Israelites simply swept in and ethnically cleansed Canaan is not supported by most modern archaeological evidence. Instead, the evidence points to a largely local population evolving into a new identity, with some episodes of violence but not a uniform campaign of extermination.

This is Good News for Palestinians!

You're not being vaporized by indiscriminate bombs, you're evolving a new identity

Ommm 😳

3 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

The idea that early Israelites simply swept in and ethnically cleansed Canaan is not supported by most modern archaeological evidence. Instead, the evidence points to a largely local population evolving into a new identity, with some episodes of violence but not a uniform campaign of extermination.

This is Good News for Palestinians!

You're not being vaporized by indiscriminate bombs, you're evolving a new identity

Ommm 😳

Yes, the indigenous people of the land evolved into Jews 3500 years ago . Muslims then tried to conquer the land as they have done to many other places in the World

Lebanese Prime Minister raises national flag in former Hezbollah stronghold after IDF withdrawal under Israel-Lebanon pilot agreement , today