I don’t know how many of yourhave read these three reports in their entirety. No one would ever defend rapists. But comparatively speaking, these are brutal but only a small percentage of all rapes and CSE in the UK.

That many of the rapists are of Pakistani-heritage gives wind to the sails of racism. And raises the question of why?

There is a certain salacious titillation around, well, sex, no matter who or how. This issue is no different. You can be outraged and turned on at the same time, you know. They’re not exclusive concepts.

For the purpose of the reports, a “child” is anyone under the age of 16. The reason that I delved into these reports so deeply is that I wanted to understand the true situation because there are so many concerns born in racism that I wanted to set the record straight.

I don’t think you’ll have a full picture unless you read all of this post. It took me more than a day to get through each report but I really wanted to understand without all the sensationalism. These each are hundreds of pages. There are numerous other reports which I did not access cited in the references. The emphasis of the two government-sponsored reports was how to mitigate this situation of child-rape through police, agencies, social workers aso. It is my opinion that many of the offenders should also be offered counseling in prison to avoid re-offending recidivism.

I have now read all three reports on ‘rape gangs’. The 1) Alexis Jay Rotherham CSE report (1997-2013) 169p; the 2) Casey Report (June 2025); and the 3) Lowe crowdfunded report (2026). The 4) David Greenwood dossier (2026) was not available to me despite its request.

I mostly paraphrase from each report. but Baroness Louise Casey’s opinions are so succinct as to be worth repeating. And so are Rupert Lowe's.

The Alexis Jay Rotherham CSE report (1997-2013), cost £ 5 million

1) 1,400 children were abused in a 16 year period. A large percentage were minority children. Yes, the police ignored many of these cases but, overall, that’s common in all rape cases. Police, in general, doubt the veracity of the victims so the victims, whether child or adult, are reluctant to report or testify just to be scorned by police. “Victims are often hesitant to report due to shame, fear, mistrust, not being believed, and humiliation, as well as real or perceived intimidation. Victims also fear violent reprisals by their rapists for talking to the police. Cultural stereotypes, racism, shame, stigma, and gender expectations hinder the identification, disclosure, and response to child sexual abuse in some minority communities.” 

 

In addition, for those under 18, there was concern over being put in care, group homes,…and still remain vulnerable to their rapists, in the care home or at school. There are 58,000 children in Rotherham, including infants. It is also notable is that there were only 250,000 residents of the District during this period, thus 1,400 children is a significant number.

Despite the fact that there was full knowledge of CSE by 2005 (or even in the mid-1990s), authorities failed to act upon the evidence provided by victims and, yes, some of that was fear of being labeled ‘racist’, a valid career-ending concern.

Councillors did not engage directly or indirectly with the Pakistani-heritage community to discuss how best they could jointly address the issue. This was a giant mistake. Certainly any of the families aware of men’s involvement in rape would have cooperated. 

Just because they’re Pakis doesn’t mean they’re stupid or not compassionate of children. Pakistani families are decent people who simply cannot be blamed for the actions of these men.

A great many of the girls were runaways, truants or coming from neglectful family situations. Safe travel, safe houses, witness protection and other measures were implemented. “One young person told us that ‘gang rape’ was a usual part of growing up in the area of Rotherham in which she lived.” She did not specify Pakistanis.

There were arrests, prosecutions, convictions and acquittals as was to be expected. Those acquitted certainly suffered community shame whether they really were guilty or not.

There was also one prosecution for the grooming rape of young boys which resulted in conviction and sentence. There is no suggestion this predator was anything other than White.

The report concerns children who have already been raped. The prevention plan in place may not be sufficient.

The Casey report does not address adult rape in Rotherham during this period which, I believe, would have great bearing in findings of community attitudes and standards.

2) Baroness Louise Casey tells it like it is, for £280,000. No sanitised CSE:

“We are talking about multiple sexual assaults committed against children by multiple men on multiple occasions; beatings and gang rapes. Girls having to have abortions, contracting sexually transmitted infections, having children removed from them at birth. 

“What makes child sexual exploitation particularly reprehensible, is that is consists of both formal and informal groups of men preying on girls, coercing, manipulating and deceiving them in pursuit of sexual gratification and power. Their victims often have a range of things that make them vulnerable in addition to their young age; they might be in care, have a physical or mental disability, have already suffered neglect or abuse in earlier years. Their predators see them as ideal victims, ready to be tricked into thinking they are loved, worthy of their attention – before turning that against them. 

“That is why I want the legislation on rape tightened up so that an adult having penetrative sex with a child under 16 is rape, no excuses, no defence. I believe many jaws across the country would drop if it was widely known that doing so is called anything but that…some groups argue that the age of consent should be lowered.”

We all know that teenage girls are exploring what it means to love and be loved. Those who come from disjointed family situations seek affection wherever it may be found.  7.5% of UK adults report that they suffered home-based child sexual abuse before age 16, 500,000 per year, making them far more vulnerable to predators. 

Note that the age mentioned here is 16, not 18, as in many countries. Is a girl of 16 able to make sexual decisions for herself, for instance, condom use. Casey reports that groups targeting girls is  “rare” and “ethnicity should have no bearing”.

“Between 1989 and 1995, almost 4,000 police cautions were given to children between 10 and 18 for offences relating to prostitution.”

“Pakistani or Muslim communities needlessly suffer as those with malicious intent use this obfuscation to sow and spread hatred.” …It is rare, but is one of the most horrendous crimes in our society: it involves multiple perpetrators coercing, manipulating and deceiving children into sex, to create an illusion of consent. 

“While public attitudes have shifted and children who used to be called ‘child prostitutes’ are now understood to be victims of child sexual exploitation, there continues to be an awkwardness in society with acknowledging and discussing child sexual abuse and there remains a tendency to apportion blame to adolescent children for their own abuse.“

Wild girls, promiscuous, uncontrollable, runaways. Anyone who’s raised a teenage girl can identify with this and feel responsible for the upbringing that created her. Maybe it didn’t, maybe sexual exploration is just part of finding herself. But the gang aspect is one I doubt any girl would choose.

“ • Around 500,000 children a year are likely to experience child sexual abuse (of any kind). However, for the vast majority, their abuse is not identified, and it is not reported to the police either at the time or later. 

• “Police recorded crime data shows just over 100,000 offences of child sexual abuse and exploitation recorded in 2024, with around 60% of these being contact offences (and the remainder online offences). 

• “Of these contact offences, an estimated 17,100 are ‘flagged’ by police as child sexual exploitation in police recorded crime data. 

• “The only figure on group-based child sexual exploitation comes from a new police dataset (called the Complex and Organised Child Abuse Dataset - COCAD) which, while suffering a number of limitations, has identified around 700 recorded offences of group-based child sexual exploitation in 2023.“

700 per year is an astounding figure! No excuse exploiting these 700 girls. This is 700 victims who deserve our compassion. However, it should be borne in mind that there are 3.9 to 4.1 million adolescent girls in the UK of all ethnicities. One of the things not mentioned is whether only White girls have been targeted. You don’t know, I don’t know, and it is unlisted in the reports which should know: “from a variety of ethnic backgrounds” is mentioned. “The [police] purpose is largely aimed at avoiding criminalising someone who reasonably believed a child was older than they were or criminalising relationships between teenagers.” 

Just “27,300 crimes of child sexual abuse recorded in 2013. In the eleven years since, recording of child sexual abuse has risen by 276%. Many girls are passed to male relatives, cousins or brothers, or to work colleagues. Some girls are turned out as prostitutes, even into legal brothels.

Most girls exploited are between 10 and 15 years old. 39% of the perpetrators also are 10 to 15 years old! 52% are under 18. Does equivalent age make sex more or less consensual? In part, I argue that pornography is responsible for much of this child-on-child offending. What 8-year old gets hard and tries to rape a 7-year old girl (USA)? 

18% are 18 to 29. All these cases include two or more perpetrators.Who are these other 58%? The “White British, Gypsies, Roma, Travellers”? Offenders are listed as Albanian, Kurdish, Bangladeshi, Indian, Turkish, Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian, Afghani, Kuwaiti, Somali, Moroccan, Eastern European, Romanian, Pakistani…and Nigerian! 

It is unlikely that any greater extent of child-rape has occurred in any of these countries, though we know of very early child marriage in some of these immigrant communities. So why does this form of abuse happen in the UK? 

In the public mind, all child rapists are Pakistani, obviously untrue. Nor does it seem to have anything to doing with being Muslim or not. Rape is rape. When news photos accompany articles in which ethnicity is not mentioned, many child rapists are White.

“The other group-based offences were categorised as familial (26%), institutional such as churches, schools and sports clubs (9%), other (39%) or unknown (9%).

“Grooming gangs are often loosely interconnected, based around existing social connections and so are often broadly homogenous in age, ethnic background and socioeconomic status. Acting in a group likely has a disinhibiting effect on the perpetrators, while misogyny or 'othering' allows them to disregard victims.”

A common misperception is that no perpetrators have been convicted and sentenced. This is patently untrue: one child rapist got 490 years.

A factor which applies to any crime is the motivation of the offender(s). This also seems to be unexplored.

3) The “Lowe report”, The Rape Gang Inquiry Report, cost £600,000

I have regarded this final report as least reliable. Crowd-sourcing and crowd-funding donations often have an agenda and result in mind. Perhaps I’m wrong but it is certainly the most sensational of the three.

It throws the entire weight of rape gangs on immigration, i.e., racism, as opposed to “decent, hard-working Britons”. It says much that the report mentions Elon Musk’s and Tommy Robinson’s (described as a “national activist) contributions! And that’s supposed ro be believable testimony?

Actually, after reading this entire report, I conclude that it is so biased, so sensational, that it deserves to be discarded completely and rely of the two previous, more sensible and forthright reports.

Rupert Lowe, MP, is padding his political career. “At the very least, 250,000 young white girls have been subjected to forced Islamic conversion” and “trafficked to Kashmir”! What a pile of stinking manure! Is this “White” girl who they and all their brothers have enjoyed now being introduced to Mama as his bride, the only possible reason for Islamic conversion.

Think this White girl is blissfully happy to don the hijab and stay at home under her in-laws’ thumb? Think Mama will accept a White bride? Not a chance—Muslims marry within their own community. Rupert goes on to say how he knows this: 87% of convicted rapists “bore distinctively Muslim names”. Awesome methodology, Mr. Holmes!

“Some girls were even trafficked to the Middle East, where they would endure Islamic marriage.” Rupert, you sure test my gullibility! And then this guy goes on to blame the Quran. FFS!

Not only does Rupert blame Muslims in particular, and Pakistanis as a community, but also demonises UK politicians who have Middle Eastern backgrounds.

The rapists “discussed fears that the English Defence League (EDL) would arrive armed, so they kept baseball bats for protection. They also allegedly spoke of attending EDL demonstrations with weapons.” Oooooh…

The ‘witness’ testimony is where Lowe glows. Some of the stories do not ring of truth. But who knows. Here we have Indians added to the ethnic mix. Perhaps this Indian was Muslim, too. 

STDs had been omitted from previous reports but Lowe found his witness with “chlamydia in her throat and vagina, gonorrhea, genital warts, and pelvic inflammatory disease “. When she was returned home, she was subjected “to full cavity searches”. WTF! Not many parents would have this level of concern for their child. “Raped with objects…including a soft drink can, keys and a baseball bat.” !!! Yeah, right, Rupert.

“Fiona was also forced to traffic drugs. Drugs, intimidation, and violence were used to control her. She was made to clean up the knives from the scene of two fatal stabbings. She was present during a shootout. Her abusers bragged to her that they had hidden dead bodies in a certain location. A few days later, Fiona recalls the news reporting on a body being recovered from the same location that the abusers had disclosed to her. As a result, threats of violence carried enormous weight.” Yep.

“At 14, Fiona was abused by a man known as ‘Rambo,’ castrated in Pakistan as punishment for child abuse” but he strill managed sexual torture of two girls. “In total, she estimates she was abused by between 50 and 100 men. Of those, only two were not Pakistani.” That’s a helluva lot of Pakistani rapists.

“Whitney’s daughter told her there was a ‘sex room’ at school run by the older boys.” Really? And no adult noticed this for how long?!? She “sometimes returned home with items of clothing missing”. “She would return home without underwear.” 

One girl was reportedly given an 8-year sentence for lying about her rape. And then there are the “women groomers” to befriend girls for the boys to have some fun.  “…taken into secure care where she was subjected to further abuse, including sexual abuse by staff and other children. “Charged with intent to supply Class A drugs, Scarlett was placed in a unit run entirely by male Muslim staff where she was groomed again. 

Don’t forget about the boys, eh. They were raped by family members, their mothers’ boyfriends and even biker gangs. One boy was prostituted out to “estate agents, solicitors, care support workers for children, and even police officers. Even at boarding school, Sebastian was raped, assaulted, and groomed by staff and connected adults.” All male child rape was by White Brits. Think this is intended as a jab at LGBLT supporters? And then he became “a trans man”! Seriously!

“They were taught that witches in Pakistan are blonde, so blondes are more evil.” “I was told that according to their faith community, girls are old enough for sex when they start their periods (at age eleven). Many of us had to endure the sexual act of ‘thighing’ [Arabic mufākhadhah] which I’m now told is a religiously-sanctioned way of molesting children according to some Islamic scriptures. (You have to lie down on your back with your legs straight together, and they straddle you and <deleted> between your thighs).” Do you genuinely find this believable?

 “One of the brothers was convicted of sexual assault and, as he was taken into custody, shouted ‘Allahu Akbar’”. “Before they raped me, they would chant, Bismillah Hir Rahman Nir Rahim.” Meaning: to seek Allah's blessings before starting any permissible daily action. “All of the sexual abuse that I experienced was linked to spiritual abuse or religious abuse.” Does that sound like foreplay to you?!?

“On two occasions her mother took her to a woman’s house. There the woman used a knitting needle to perform the abortions. The woman’s husband also raped her.” Yep, sure, after an abortion. “At seventeen, she was groomed by a 55-year-old police sergeant. He knew her background and claimed that he would catch her attacker and get justice for her. Instead, one evening he offered to take her out of the house and raped her. He went on to rape her on another occasion.”

“On one occasion, after she reported her kidnapping to the police, she was interviewed by a Muslim officer who switched off the tape recorder and instructed her to drop her allegations because of “lack of evidence.” She later learned that this officer was imprisoned for child sex offences.”

“Jane’s mother’s drug dealer began grooming her via Facebook.” “Lilly herself was groomed and repeatedly abducted and raped by a man from the age of six. Lilly’s sister was sexually abused by her own social worker at age twelve.””…she was raped in a hotel by a man she believed to be a doctor. “”including being raped by a dog as the men placed bets on whether it would penetrate her vagina or her anus.” Yeah, right.

One girl, no age supplied, was turned in to counter-terrorism police for fear she had been ‘radicalised’ by Islam! She even stopped eating bacon, a sure sign of budding terrorism. “…witnessed the slaughtering of a lamb in the bathroom of a house.” Yuck, but unlikely to be illegal. She received “an instruction not to eat pork as the father believed ‘it would make the baby gay’.” Come on! 

A percentage of these girls continued to be raped into adulthood. This questions the veracity of their testimony. What adult woman would willingly present herself to situations where she could be raped? Many women even cross the road if a man is walking behind them. In addition, I’m sure a certain number of girls are raped in childhood by their own fathers, stepfathers or mother’s boyfriends. But are we to think this is common practice?!?

Lowe tells us that, per conviction rate, 87% of convicted offenders are Pakistani. But he fails to detail what were the charges, what charges resulted in convictions, range of sentences, and how many victims for each. Surely this constitutes crucial information! Instead, Lowe prefers to blame “Muslims” as if religion had anything to do with rape of children.

And then, the Honourable Member of Parliament starts to tell us about forced Muslim marriages and divorces, sharia law…and taxi drivers. Rupert tells us about “250,000” UK child rapes, thousands in Netherlands (no doubt he got his information from Geert Wilders) and hundreds in Sweden.

One child protection officer, working independently of his position, said there were 1,400 grooming gangs suspects. It is surely coincidental that Alexis Jay used that number for child victims. 

Obviously the phrase, “You can’t make this s*it up”, does not apply to Rupert Lowe. This entire report reads like trashy, salacious fiction. I’m certain there are Pakistani predators as there are predators of every nationality and culture. But Rupert preys on the naive and on morons who’ll believe anything racist about people of any colour but their own.

And now the real agenda for this crowdfunded report:“Britain is not a unique case. This sort of thing goes on anywhere that either welcomes mass migration from Muslim countries or contains long-established Muslim populations. There is a consistent pattern of sexual violence directed against non-Muslim minorities in settings where Muslims form the majority.” Lowe attributes an “us and them” mindset to Muslims as if that was not exactly his aim.

Frankly, I’m glad I read the Lowe report last. It had great entertainment value. If I had read it first, I would have completely rejected the entire idea of “Pakistani rape gangs” simply because a great deal of his report is sensational fabrication. I am not saying that there are not grains of truth in the MP’s report, only that he used it to reach a planned racist conclusion by demonising all Pakistani immigrants. “Girls as young as 4 were raped repeatedly, some until they became pregnant.” LOL

Anybody who finds the Lowe report credible is either a racist or a fool. Rupert Lowe and his collaborators are expert in sowing division in society: us and ‘other’. Other human beings.

One last falsehood: “Islamic jurisprudence sets no minimum age at which a girl or a woman may be married. “ The age of consent to marriage is 18 years for both genders in Pakistan.

CONCLUSIONS

The questions raised bring to mind whether such groups targeting vulnerable girls in other countries than the United Kingdom. Is anyone aware of such information?

You’re not going to cure sex, at any age. What we need to focus on is preventing coercive sex. That means teaching both boys and girls the meaning of right and wrong.

Pornography has certainly influenced male-female relationships. These are fantasies, of course, but boys' (and girls') minds don't get that. Boys think every girl should be ready for sex and girls think having boyfriends start with kneel and bob.

These reports are all long and detailed as deserved of the victims. They are a slog to get through even if you have the stomach for it.

Let it be said that, wherever there are men and women throughout history, there has been rape. These are really no different and should be addressed in a court of law as a civilised country. Where civility fails, barbarism follows.

Sick Sick UK and the sicker deniers that will appear in 3.2.1

4,000 LONDON GROOMING GANG CASES COULD BE REOPENED—AND THE PRESSURE ON SADIQ KHAN IS GROWING Thousands of previously closed child sexual exploitation cases in London could now be reviewed as part of a wider national investigation, reigniting debate over how authorities have handled grooming gang allegations in the capital. The renewed scrutiny has also brought fresh attention to past exchanges in which Mayor Sadiq Khan rejected comparisons between London and high-profile grooming gang scandals in places such as Rotherham. Critics argue his responses were often overly cautious and failed to address public concerns directly, while City Hall insists the mayor has consistently supported investigations into child sexual exploitation and wants every case thoroughly examined. The debate has become increasingly political, with supporters and critics sharply divided over whether London's cases should be viewed differently from those uncovered elsewhere in the UK. At the heart of the controversy is a broader question about accountability, transparency, and whether past investigations left victims without justice. As police review thousands of historical cases, attention is now shifting away from political arguments and toward a much bigger issue: whether any victims were failed by the system—and whether those responsible will finally be held to account.

Funny because other mugshots of those involved in these hideous acts, also had a decent amount of Brits involved. So it's not only the Pakistanis.

4 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

That many of the rapists are of Pakistani-heritage gives wind to the sails of racism. And raises the question of why?

The thesis in this link is a bit funky and I haven't quite wrapped my mind around it.

So not sure if it's valid or not.

But it's one theory that I've heard a couple of people discuss now.

https://www.meforum.org/mef-online/the-rape-gang-crisis-modern-day-slavery-on-british-soil

It’s time to address the U.K. rape gangs scandal as an institutionalized form of modern slavery within a Western democracy.

with a definition of slavery ... point 3:

3. General dishonor—the slave is degraded, stripped of honor, publicly shamed, and treated as inherently inferior or worthless, reinforcing their exclusion from the moral and symbolic community.

Edited June 30Jun 30 by save the frogs

5 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

That many of the rapists are of Pakistani-heritage gives wind to the sails of racism. And raises the question of why?

I think this link does explain what's going on.

A complex dynamic.

https://www.meforum.org/mef-online/the-rape-gang-crisis-modern-day-slavery-on-british-soil

Why?

These young women-born and raised as citizens in the UK-were effectively enslaved in their own country, reduced to non-persons whose suffering was tolerated or ignored. This was facilitated by a tacit coalition: the perpetrators who exercised the domination, and elements of native British elites (police, social services, local councils) who, according to multiple official inquiries (e.g., Alexis Jay’s 2014 Rotherham report documenting ~1,400 victims abused 1997-2013), repeatedly failed to act decisively-often citing fears of racism or cultural sensitivities.

By turning a blind eye or downplaying the crimes, authorities effectively sacrificed these girls to maintain fragile social order. They purchased compliance from segments of the Pakistani/Muslim community, avoiding backlash that might have demanded greater assimilation and a badly needed cultural reckoning with the ideology of Islamism.

Sad stuff.

https://www.meforum.org/mef-online/the-rape-gang-crisis-modern-day-slavery-on-british-soil

By preserving a superficial “peace” at the devastating expense of the victims’ welfare, autonomy, and social existence, British elites have likely poisoned intergroup relations in the United Kingdom for a long, long time.

This confirms the article above.

They were protected due to fear of civil unrest.

Another factor not mentioned in these reports is sex education in schools. It should be explicit, graphic and real. Kids can see all those body parts on the Internet, anyway. You’re not protecting them by not really giving them the facts of life. Not rolling a rubber onto a banana!

Sex education should begin around age eight because many girls will start to menstruate at age 10. They should be prepared when boys or men start to come on to them.

Birth control instruction should be a strong part of sex ed. Condoms should be available for free, birth control pills and morning after if the student requests it.

This will no doubt cause community outrage. They’d rather see their daughters raped.

You may think this goes too far. If girls were educated, there would have been fewer victims in Rotherham, Telford and Rochdale.

This has been going on for over 30 years?

That's what Rupert Lowe claims in his report.

Sad scary stuff.

Woke British leaders afraid of being called racist.

Rupert Lowe want to go after the enablers, people in high positions in govt, who facilitated the rapes.

That's good news.

Fortunately, there are a few sane people in power.

I don't know if this is exaggaration or fear-mongering.

This guy claims high ranking military officers in the UK are saying civil war is inevitable in the UK.

British citizens fighting against the "Islamic agenda" and there is a well-armed, well-equipped Islamic force that seems to be prepared? And he claims most of the illegal immigrants are fighting age males.

Did they do it on purpose to create total chaos?

They also have sanctuary cities ... same as some US cities... so it's a globalist agenda.

He claims he is still seeing gangs on Islamic guys in Liverpool looking for victims.

Edited June 30Jun 30 by save the frogs

This guy claims the tolerance in the UK is coming to an end.

For decades, Britain and much of the West have been told that tolerance, mass immigration, multiculturalism and liberal openness would lead to a better, fairer and more harmonious society. But what happens when that promised utopia never arrives? In this video, I argue that Britain has passed its tolerance threshold — culturally, politically, economically and psychologically — and that the age of unquestioned tolerance is coming to an end.

Edited June 30Jun 30 by save the frogs

1 hour ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Another factor not mentioned in these reports is sex education in schools. It should be explicit, graphic and real. Kids can see all those body parts on the Internet, anyway. You’re not protecting them by not really giving them the facts of life. Not rolling a rubber onto a banana!

Sex education should begin around age eight because many girls will start to menstruate at age 10. They should be prepared when boys or men start to come on to them.

Birth control instruction should be a strong part of sex ed. Condoms should be available for free, birth control pills and morning after if the student requests it.

This will no doubt cause community outrage. They’d rather see their daughters raped.

You may think this goes too far. If girls were educated, there would have been fewer victims in Rotherham, Telford and Rochdale.

And what about the basics? Are all girls not taught never to talk to strangers, never get into a stranger's car or accept a lift even if it's a long way to home or school. Stick to places with other people. Don't be afraid to scream when necessary. Alert an adult.

Are kids not taught the basics these days?

Rape is about violence and intimidation, not sex. Until we recognise this, there is no rational discussion.

In the South Asian subcontinent, gang rape is not uncommon as a way to intimidate women and their families, frequently in retribution for perceived insults to higher ranking men but also in furtherance of other crimes like extortion. Sadly, it is frequently supported by the local leaders.

30 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

And what about the basics? Are all girls not taught never to talk to strangers, never get into a stranger's car or accept a lift even if it's a long way to home or school. Stick to places with other people. Don't be afraid to scream when necessary. Alert an adult.

Are kids not taught the basics these days?

Unblock the problem is so rampant, judges, the Police, doctors, politicians , high ranking Civil servents are part of it. There will be civil war if it ever comes out in the open of who lied or who allowed it to carry on. When it was getting to the truth Farage and Co were blamed for stirring up unrest in the uk and trying to divide us Starmer said, and in a final insult he called us Far right thugs and Anti Islam.

Edited June 30Jun 30 by BarraMarra

Indeed all these vicious far right nazi facist thugs, scare me more than the knife rampaging, exploding, mass raping people they are protesting against.. ( warning...there may a hint of sarcasm in this post).

2 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Unblock the problem is so rampant, judges, the Police, doctors, politicians , high ranking Civil servents are part of it. There will be civil war if it ever comes out in the open of who lied or who allowed it to carry on. When it was getting to the truth Farage and Co were blamed for stirring up unrest in the uk and trying to divide us Starmer said, and in a final insult he called us Far right thugs and Anti Islam.

They have been a part of it by ignoring the problem. Nobody can ignore rape gangs anymore, too public.

The trick is to avoid it becoming racism against any particular group. Of 1.8 million Pakistanis in the UK, how many are part of rape gangs? 700-1,400 victims, if these trports are to be believed.

Might you have any idea how the Pakistani community can deal with those few sons who rape? That's a good place to start, not from outside.

Flowing my simple suggestions would go a long way to solving the problem and saving these girls.

2 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Rape is about violence and intimidation, not sex. Until we recognise this, there is no rational discussion.

In the South Asian subcontinent, gang rape is not uncommon as a way to intimidate women and their families, frequently in retribution for perceived insults to higher ranking men but also in furtherance of other crimes like extortion. Sadly, it is frequently supported by the local leaders.

India 2021-31,677; 2023-29,670 rapes, no separate stats for gang rapes. Out of 1.5B

Pakistan 2,142 gang rapes, 2,046 in Punjab. Out of 260M

To separate rapes from a huge population, of course, does not honour the victims. Rape is the most pernicious crime because its effects are lifelong.

Thailand 2023 4,035 rapes, 2.8 rapes per 100,000. Out of 72M

I’m no mathematician but the prevalence is far higher in India and Pakistan. Is this, do you think, to do with an absence of casual or premarital sex? I’m not making any excuse, I’m just looking for reasons.

This is what we are up against UNBLOCK this Scum was the ringleader of a rape gang in Rochdale now free and stripped of his British Citizenship but our own laws cannot deport this filth and will now be living in tax payers accomadation around the area he prayed on 12 yr old girls.

In UK, do you not deport people after serving prison sentences.

That is precisely the kind of thing that Tommy Robinson & Rupert Lowe would be good at. They don't mind being called racists.

At least this guy is 73. Somebody might help him out.

33 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

This is what we are up against UNBLOCK this Scum was the ringleader of a rape gang in Rochdale now free and stripped of his British Citizenship but our own laws cannot deport this filth and will now be living in tax payers accomadation around the area he prayed on 12 yr old girls.

What are "we" up against exactly? You're upset as a Muslim isn't being deported? Who's fault and which laws would you like changed? You do realise we have a legal system? And this legal act is nearly 60 years old.

This man is a horrific human being and deserves nothing more than to suffer for his entire life. He served 14 years, will be monitored for life and if he has the slightest transgression he will go immediately back to prison.

The home office:

“On his release he will be on the sex offender register for life, ordered to stay away from his victims and banned from contacting any child or young person.

“As well as facing strict curfews and restriction zones, his every movement will be tracked, forced to wear an electronic tag. Should he breach his conditions, he will be immediately locked up.”

Section 7 of the Immigration Act 1971 means he can't legally be deported. Farage wouldn't be able to deport him, Yaxely-Lennon wouldn't be able to. It's the law, and it was brought in to end unrestricted migration from commonwealth countries (you would like that) and offered some protections from those who had already legally migrated to the UK prior to the law coming in to effect. And for very good reasons.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/77/section/7

This scum bag can't be deported due to that legal clause that was enacted for a good reason. No one saw this case coming 56 years ago. Have you read the law in question?

Now, I know you like to watch slanted videos all day and make yourself angry at things. But what part of this due process would you change, and why. And how would you go about it?

Easy to rant, less easy to read about it and enact change. And I still want to know who "we" is and what "you" are up against.

16 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

That many of the rapists are of Pakistani-heritage gives wind to the sails of racism. And raises the question of why?

Do you really need to ask that? It´s very easy, as they come to a culture that don´t accept their degrading view of women. They can´t adjust and just need to be the big shot man they always been. In their culture they only take the woman they want, and they should just be happy, never refuse what the man wants.

Let´s me ask you, how many rapes in Pakistan have you read about? Exactly, because their culture does not recognize rape.

26 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Do you really need to ask that? It´s very easy, as they come to a culture that don´t accept their degrading view of women. They can´t adjust and just need to be the big shot man they always been. In their culture they only take the woman they want, and they should just be happy, never refuse what the man wants.

Let´s me ask you, how many rapes in Pakistan have you read about? Exactly, because their culture does not recognize rape.

I think you're wrong .........

Their culture doesn't allow normal women to walk around unattended by family members.

And therefore they see women that do walk around on their own as indicating they're available.

7 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

India 2021-31,677; 2023-29,670 rapes, no separate stats for gang rapes. Out of 1.5B

Pakistan 2,142 gang rapes, 2,046 in Punjab. Out of 260M

To separate rapes from a huge population, of course, does not honour the victims. Rape is the most pernicious crime because its effects are lifelong.

Thailand 2023 4,035 rapes, 2.8 rapes per 100,000. Out of 72M

I’m no mathematician but the prevalence is far higher in India and Pakistan. Is this, do you think, to do with an absence of casual or premarital sex? I’m not making any excuse, I’m just looking for reasons.

Part of the reason for this rape epidemic.

7 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

The trick is to avoid it becoming racism against any particular group.

The perpetrators were all from a specific part of Pakistan.

There was a "massacre" there 1947 where thousands of women were raped and killed.

And probably rape is treated differently than in normal societies.

At some point, western countries may need to start investigating where these people are from and realize not all immigrants are created equal. Some immigrants are taking their barbaric laws, their traumas from past atrocities .... this has the potential to destabilize and destroy a country.

Please stay away politics if you are too "woke".

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I think you're wrong .........

Their culture doesn't allow normal women to walk around unattended by family members.

And therefore they see women that do walk around on their own as indicating they're available.

Ok, but that was kind of exactly what I posted, as I didn´t get into stealing wifes, right?

9 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

India 2021-31,677; 2023-29,670 rapes, no separate stats for gang rapes. Out of 1.5B

Pakistan 2,142 gang rapes, 2,046 in Punjab. Out of 260M

To separate rapes from a huge population, of course, does not honour the victims. Rape is the most pernicious crime because its effects are lifelong.

Thailand 2023 4,035 rapes, 2.8 rapes per 100,000. Out of 72M

I’m no mathematician but the prevalence is far higher in India and Pakistan. Is this, do you think, to do with an absence of casual or premarital sex? I’m not making any excuse, I’m just looking for reasons.

Not the gang kind, Solo rapes can be manipulated into forcing the girl to marry her attacker though. It is a sick chattel concept where it is an affront to her father, not the girl.

4 hours ago, save the frogs said:

The perpetrators were all from a specific part of Pakistan.

There was a "massacre" there 1947 where thousands of women were raped and killed.

And probably rape is treated differently than in normal societies.

At some point, western countries may need to start investigating where these people are from and realize not all immigrants are created equal. Some immigrants are taking their barbaric laws, their traumas from past atrocities .... this has the potential to destabilize and destroy a country.

Please stay away politics if you are too "woke"..

I don't think restricting Pakistanis from Kashmir would make much difference. The solution is in attitudes and policing by the Pakistani community themselves. Dunno, is that woke?

Actually, this is not in any way a political issue. Are any other crimes treated so? It's an awareness issue which could be solved by community policing as well as the basic steps I've mentioned above.

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5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

And therefore they see women that do walk around on their own as indicating they're available.

I must go back to this comment once more. Does that mean they can take off their pants and do what they want with them?

This is why Sadiq Kahn must be removed as the Mayor of London.