3 minutes ago, howlee101 said:

I was wondering when "maga fascist" was going to be injected into the thread. JT, you win again. Congrats, and seek therapy for your obsessive delusions.

I would say it's the maga fascists and their related political movements internationally who really need the therapy for their perverted obsession towards hatred of transgender people, indeed actively working to ERASE them.

I wouldn't expect maga fascists to understand that.

On 7/5/2026 at 6:25 PM, Jingthing said:

Growing up I had a good friend a pretty Japanese girl inform me that I was gay long before I realized it myself. Not in a mean way. She knew that any straight boy would have made a move on her but I felt nothing. Even her parents treated me as a "safe" boy.

I will add that at that age range I was quite the comely lad.

On occasion hot girls would literally jump me without any encouragement. Smart girls I suppose as encouragement wasn't in the cards.

In plays, I got cast as romantic leads.

Then there was the then unwanted attention at age 15 of certain kinds of "gentemen" on arrival at certain train stations of Europe.

Edited Monday at 12:37 PM2 days by Jingthing

6 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Yeah, so I got a thumbs down for this post.

I asked AI what the suicide rates are for transgenders and was shocked.

I never knew this before.

Sad, but not surprising. They've spent their whole lives in the wrong body, afraid to tell, afraid to try to do anything about it.

I wonder if Thai transgenders also feel this out of place? I <think> we're more accepting here.

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I will add that at that age range I was quite the comely lad.

On occasion hot girls would literally jump me without any encouragement. Smart girls I suppose as encouragement wasn't in the cards.

In plays, I got cast as romantic leads.

Then there was the then unwanted attention at age 15 of certain kinds of "gentemen" on arrival at certain train stations of Europe.

Oboy, tell me about it. Growing up in NYC, I was groped in the movies, on the escalators at Port Authority and even had a 20-something come onto me after high school.

I was not exploring sexually but I was a supporter of the Mattachine Society (gay) and Daughters of Bilitis (lesbian) in my teens. I worked with a lot of gay men but I never realised they were gay or thought to ask.

6 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Man I'm just sittin' back watchin' the pussification of this whole country
I can't say this, I can't say that
<deleted>, what the <deleted> can I say?
When did y'all become so <deleted>in' sensitive, man?
Lighten up, I'm just here to entertain you
And if that triggers you, well, then you're a pussy

Back atcha!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ0gqmlmLZY

On 7/5/2026 at 5:00 PM, unblocktheplanet said:

It was always obvious that my eldest granddaughter preferred girls from about eight. When she was 11, she came out to her parents. She’s now 19 but, to my knowledge, has never had a steady squeeze. I feel accepting of this fact and am curious to meet any girlfriends she may have. (I’m certain they could not be more outrageous than I!)

Her parents support her in ways I feel are a bit overbearing. Baking her a rainbow b’day cake, taking her six hours’ drive to the nearest Pride Parade. It’s, to my mind, a little too much support that isn’t really, really support. Herself is what she is, nothing more and nothing less.

We don’t do any of that for straight kids.

My grandsons are apparently straight. Would I be as accepting of them if one turned out to be gay? Do I regard gay differently than I do the L-word? I'm a little bit more iffy about boys. Not sure as it hasn’t happened (yet).

What I’m curious about is whether kids have experimentation and then switch teams. How often might this happen? I don’t care, but I am curious.

Believe me, it’s hard enough have far away grandchildren. I definitely don’t want far away great-grandchildren! Which means, I don’t need any more heirs to pass along the family name.

Bottom line is that gay men and women do pretty much the same things in bed I do. And I bet you do, too! So it's not really an issue.

😂😂😂, no, I think you're not up-to-date with human anatomy. Only Gay boys/men got a penis to penetrate the anus.

On 7/5/2026 at 6:32 PM, Gandtee said:

It would seem that they are encouraging her. Let her sort herself out. Too many youngsters are taking puberty blockers and other drugs. Many resorting to surgery. Very sad.

Puberty blockers? For gays? You are so very uneducated on this subject.

On 7/5/2026 at 6:25 PM, Gandtee said:

In my opinion, the sad thing about youngsters becoming gay or trans is that they may have watched this on the internet and perceived it as the 'in thing'. I'm an old fogey, born in the early 1930s without TV or internet, so not exposed to what I consider a cult. Sure, it was quietly there. But it was not flaunted, and people weren't persuading you via the internet that it was normal and to try it.

There is no persuasion nor agenda. If surveys now show numbers higher than they may have been at the time of Shere Hite's report in the 70s/80s (The Hite Report: A Nationwide Study on Female Sexuality,1976; The Hite Report on Male Sexuality,1981), or Masters and Johnson earlier, or Kinsey, or Magnus Hirschfeld before that in the 1920s, that is in part related to societal changes and acceptance that wasn't there in earlier times, so, the individuals didn't change, but the societal acceptance did, so gay people no longer married the oposite gender just because they had no other option than living a lie. It's by no means an "in-thing" and no one would willingly chose persecution, violence and death willingly, especially not trans (granted, outside of Thailand, where there is some degree of a cultural support system, completely non-existant elsewhere.

Being one's true self, living one's own truth, is by no means a "cult", its a solitary journey wroght with persecution from bullying in childood, through persecution and trama, PTSD/CPTSD, and survival (people self-harm and take their own lives in attempting to survive trauma). No one wants that, but living a lie is worse.

On 7/5/2026 at 6:25 PM, Gandtee said:

In my opinion, the sad thing about youngsters becoming gay or trans is that they may have watched this on the internet and perceived it as the 'in thing'. I'm an old fogey, born in the early 1930s without TV or internet, so not exposed to what I consider a cult. Sure, it was quietly there. But it was not flaunted, and people weren't persuading you via the internet that it was normal and to try it.

Gays don’t “become” gay.

And they don’t turn gay because they watched a YouTube video, nor are they gay because they think it is in-trend or the cool thing to do.

It’s not a cult.

With all due respect, the one thing you are apparently correct about is that you are an old fogey.

On 7/5/2026 at 8:25 PM, Jingthing said:

Straight kids receive tons of social approval every day.

LGBT kids don't.

DUH.

For someone who presents as some kind of radical progressive on other issues, you have rather a big blind spot about LGBTQ issues.

I think the world would be a better place if kids had to come out as straight to their parents. Let them also experience the angst.

On 7/6/2026 at 8:11 AM, save the frogs said:

Trans surgery is playing God.

Not convinced it's ethical.

First off . . .

Oh never mind. I have neither the time nor the patience for this.

21 hours ago, Screaming said:

I would never even consider such vile, debauched activity much less participate in them.

Then why are you “Screaming”?

Sorry, I couldn’t let that one pass by. 😝

15 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Go figure ... Mentally ill people (IMHO) killing themselves, that's just crazy 🙄

Go figure. A bigoted homophobic making a bigoted, mean spirited, homophobic comment.

9 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

worked with a lot of gay men but I never realised they were gay or thought to ask.

So how did you know?

I have always been relaxed about gayness. I would, however, prefer young people to make up their own mind about their sexuality without being pressurized by older people.

1 hour ago, Front Row said:

Go figure. A bigoted homophobic making a bigoted, mean spirited, homophobic comment.

Far from homophobic. I just don't know any gay or bisexual person who thinks they are not the sex they were born with. Transgenderism is a mental illness.

Nobody is transitioning to anything. You are either gay, bi, or straight. That's a biological or personal choice and has nothing to do with anything else.

25 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Far from homophobic. I just don't know any gay or bisexual person who thinks they are not the sex they were born with. Transgenderism is a mental illness.

Nobody is transitioning to anything. You are either gay, bi, or straight. That's a biological or personal choice and has nothing to do with anything else.

The body is male but the mind is female. I can believe that. Not a mental illness but a difference in hormones that affect the brain. If a man can't read a map then he is likely to be trans.

2 hours ago, Front Row said:

First off . . .

Oh never mind. I have neither the time nor the patience for this.

You are not a smart person.

37 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Far from homophobic. I just don't know any gay or bisexual person who thinks they are not the sex they were born with. Transgenderism is a mental illness.

Nobody is transitioning to anything. You are either gay, bi, or straight. That's a biological or personal choice and has nothing to do with anything else.

“Transgenderism is a mental illness.“

Says who? You?

You’re also mixing being transgender (transgenderism?) with gender dysphoria. Still, neither is categorized as a mental illness.

3 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

😂😂😂, no, I think you're not up-to-date with human anatomy. Only Gay boys/men got a penis to penetrate the anus.

Fixated much?

2 hours ago, Cat Boy said:

There is no persuasion nor agenda. If surveys now show numbers higher than they may have been at the time of Shere Hite's report in the 70s/80s (The Hite Report: A Nationwide Study on Female Sexuality,1976; The Hite Report on Male Sexuality,1981), or Masters and Johnson earlier, or Kinsey, or Magnus Hirschfeld before that in the 1920s, that is in part related to societal changes and acceptance that wasn't there in earlier times, so, the individuals didn't change, but the societal acceptance did, so gay people no longer married the oposite gender just because they had no other option than living a lie. It's by no means an "in-thing" and no one would willingly chose persecution, violence and death willingly, especially not trans (granted, outside of Thailand, where there is some degree of a cultural support system, completely non-existant elsewhere.

Being one's true self, living one's own truth, is by no means a "cult", its a solitary journey wroght with persecution from bullying in childood, through persecution and trama, PTSD/CPTSD, and survival (people self-harm and take their own lives in attempting to survive trauma). No one wants that, but living a lie is worse.

Beautifully said. Thank you.

2 hours ago, Front Row said:

Gays don’t “become” gay.

And they don’t turn gay because they watched a YouTube video, nor are they gay because they think it is in-trend or the cool thing to do.

It’s not a cult.

With all due respect, the one thing you are apparently correct about is that you are an old fogey.

You are right: one is either gay or straight. However, one of the points of this post was that young people try things on. I don't think I'd describe it as a phase. But some young ones become infatuated with gayness and then draft back to the straight world. I don't think this is the case with my granddaughter.

I may yet get a chance to pass her g/f a gummie!

2 hours ago, Rockyroad said:

So how did you know?

Years after, probably after one or two had died, we were just talking and it was mentioned which led to a broader conversation. I was not a part of that part of their world. Nor, apparently, was I a sex object in my mid-teens.

I was pretty busy trying on girls--this was the 60s!

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

I have always been relaxed about gayness. I would, however, prefer young people to make up their own mind about their sexuality without being pressurized by older people.

Exactly. Now that gay is somewhat mainstream, perhaps Pride will fade away and just become a part of our society. I hope so! Those <buggers> (hehe, no offence) stole the hippie rainbow!

Maybe folks just have the need for a cool parade!

21 minutes ago, Front Row said:

“Transgenderism is a mental illness.“

Says who? You?

You’re also mixing being transgender (transgenderism?) with gender dysphoria. Still, neither is categorized as a mental illness.

I think gender dysphoria--the sense one is in the wrong body--comes before transvestism--wearing clothes of the opposite sex, and getting pleasure from it. In rare cases, this leaders to transgender, meaning having surgery and hormones to become the opposite sex. This is rare because it is dangerous, hard on the body, expensive. There is no turning back from surgery.

3 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

You are right: one is either gay or straight.

Bi or trans. 4 types.

On 7/6/2026 at 8:09 AM, cdemundo said:

And in the USA there is something promoted called "the work ethic" sometimes "the Protestant work ethic".

Used to make being a wage slave seem like a virtue.

Sometimes people say "Protestant work ethic" but I don't think Catholics (or really anyone religious or not) are immune to this propaganda

I got 2 thumbs down on this.

No doubt from fellows whose livelihood depends on workers who are indoctrinated to work against their own self interest and for the benefit of the thumbs downers. LOL.

Edited yesterday at 11:03 AM1 day by cdemundo

On 7/5/2026 at 12:25 PM, Gandtee said:

In my opinion, the sad thing about youngsters becoming gay or trans is that they may have watched this on the internet and perceived it as the 'in thing'. I'm an old fogey, born in the early 1930s without TV or internet, so not exposed to what I consider a cult. Sure, it was quietly there. But it was not flaunted, and people weren't persuading you via the internet that it was normal and to try it.

I am not quite as old as you but I was also born in the time of limited access to television and certainly no internet or computers. However I'm gay and quite honestly I find your response rather surprising. Being gay, lesbian, trans or whatever sex you are has nothing to do with being affected by what you see or read, that is a ludicrous assumption. Your sexual persuasion is with you from birth, it is not a choice you decide to make simply by being affected by what you see on the news or the internet.

6 hours ago, Front Row said:

“Transgenderism is a mental illness.“

Says who? You?

You’re also mixing being transgender (transgenderism?) with gender dysphoria. Still, neither is categorized as a mental illness.

You are born a male, but you think you are a female, of vise versa.

Then you take drugs, to stop your normal male or female development. Yea, IMHO, that mental illness. Just accept that you're gay or bi.

Thinking you can change your DNA, chomosome make up, yes, that mental illness, if believing such silliness. XX or XY, for life, born that way till you die. Just accept it. What you do with that, sexually, well that's up to you. If you want to call that 'genders', then you got 3 to pick from. No more, no less.

Along with inventing genders, the left has redefined 'phobia' to fit the spin. As you and most folks, don't know the definition of, a "phobia", which is an irrational fear of something.

I would think most people, straight or what ever, but especially straight, are not scared or have a 'phobia' about gay or bi folks. Straights probably think they are more intelligent, more secure in their sexuality, and physically stronger, so nothing to be scared of.

Though I know an engineer, a couple truck drivers and bricklayer that would educate any bigots expessing their anti gay/bi, superiority thoughts out loud to them, and they'd be waking up in the ER.

I'm far from anti gay/bi or racist, and have even slept with my one black gay buddy. Not in sexual manner, but many times in the same bed, whether his small apt in LA, or at hotels when O&A, and too inebriated to even think about driving. Not sure if any anti gay/bi, anti black bigots would do that.

You probably shouldn't label people that you've never met, and know absolutely nothing about them.

Edited yesterday at 11:58 AM1 day by KhunLA

34 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

You are born a male, but you think you are a female, of vise versa.

Then you take drugs, to stop your normal male or female development. Yea, IMHO, that mental illness. Just accept that you're gay or bi.

Thinking you can change your DNA, chomosome make up, yes, that mental illness, if believing such silliness. XX or XY, for life, born that way till you die. Just accept it. What you do with that, sexually, well that's up to you. If you want to call that 'genders', then you got 3 to pick from. No more, no less.

Along with inventing genders, the left has redefined 'phobia' to fit the spin. As you and most folks, don't know the definition of, a "phobia", which is an irrational fear of something.

I would think most people, straight or what ever, but especially straight, are not scared or have a 'phobia' about gay or bi folks. Straights probably think they are more intelligent, more secure in their sexuality, and physically stronger, so nothing to be scared of.

Though I know an engineer, a couple truck drivers and bricklayer that would educate any bigots expessing their anti gay/bi, superiority thoughts out loud to them, and they'd be waking up in the ER.

I'm far from anti gay/bi or racist, and have even slept with my one black gay buddy. Not in sexual manner, but many times in the same bed, whether his small apt in LA, or at hotels when O&A, and too inebriated to even think about driving. Not sure if any anti gay/bi, anti black bigots would do that.

You probably shouldn't label people that you've never met, and know absolutely nothing about them.

Well now we know your opinion. Of course it is not supported by psychologists or psychiatrists, but you be you.

You probably should not label people that you have never met and know absolutely nothing about as being mentally ill.