7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

What is that based on? Even if true, there are a lot of Brits that like Trump, perhaps more than like Starmer.

In any event I've been told there is not right in the UK.

There you go

https://www.statista.com/statistics/879835/british-perceptions-on-donald-trump/?srsltid=AfmBOoo8TSKE34xX5xYR1dwHLpMYGqmtmYyQzdJBo33zb58mEoNiFOn5

Yes it will help if Charlie could kindly ask his bro to keep his m.... shut and not spill out the beans on all the other names in the Epstein scandals.

It's not US - UK relations.

It's Trump - UK relations until he throws another tantrum.

Trump is not the state.

9 minutes ago, RayC said:

There you go

https://www.statista.com/statistics/879835/british-perceptions-on-donald-trump/?srsltid=AfmBOoo8TSKE34xX5xYR1dwHLpMYGqmtmYyQzdJBo33zb58mEoNiFOn5

Wow, so a lot of Brits do like Trump, thanks!

51 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Wow, so a lot of Brits do like Trump, thanks!

Are you deliberately trying to misrepresent the data or is it a genuine mistake?

A negative net favourability rating of -67% means that +/-83% of Brits have a negative impression of Trump.

You're welcome.

1 minute ago, RayC said:

Are you deliberately trying to misrepresent the data or is it a genuine mistake?

A negative net favourability rating of -67% means that +/-83% of Brits have a negative impression of Trump.

You're welcome.

So almost ten million Brits like Trump. Is that not a lot of Brits?

That a majority of a population think one way, does not mean a lot of that same population thinks differently.

To say Brits have an unfavorable view of Trump is as much a lie and to say Brits have a favorable view of Trump.

Most Brits have an unfavorable view of Trump, but a lot of Brits like Trump.

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

So almost ten million Brits like Trump. Is that not a lot of Brits?

That a majority of a population think one way, does not mean a lot of that same population thinks differently.

To say Brits have an unfavorable view of Trump is as much a lie and to say Brits have a favorable view of Trump.

Most Brits have an unfavorable view of Trump, but a lot of Brits like Trump.

As of June 2024, there were 48,208,507 people eligible to vote in the UK. Assuming that this is still broadly the situation and that this poll is representative, then that means +/- 40m of us Brits disapprove of Trump whereas only +/-8m approve of him. To state the blindingly obvious, +/-40 million is a lot more than +/-8 million (+/-32 million in fact).

The truth hurts but is often unavoidable.

19 hours ago, Jonnapat said:

No thanks, we don't need a relationship repair while you occupy the office of President. Rather wait until someone with half a brain gets elected.

BTW. Shame on the UK government for letting this go ahead against public opinion .

When has this UK government ever considered public opinion?

9 hours ago, RayC said:

As of June 2024, there were 48,208,507 people eligible to vote in the UK. Assuming that this is still broadly the situation and that this poll is representative, then that means +/- 40m of us Brits disapprove of Trump whereas only +/-8m approve of him. To state the blindingly obvious, +/-40 million is a lot more than +/-8 million (+/-32 million in fact).

The truth hurts but is often unavoidable.

Only people eligible to vote qualify as Brits?

13 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

" Given the depth of loathing and revulsion for Trump among the British people leftists..."

There, fixed it for you

Wrong. He is widely despised across the political spectrum, as his his misguided, illegal misadventure in Iran, that is adversely affecting the cost of living for the majority of people. Indeed, he is so unpopular that even his natural allies strive to avoid mentioning his name, for fear of public scorn. Your fixation on 'leftists' really is both irrational and amusing. I guess that is what happens when you live in the MAGA, fox news bubble. You really should get out more.

2 minutes ago, Summerinsiam said:

Wrong. He is widely despised across the political spectrum, as his his misguided, illegal misadventure in Iran, that is adversely affecting the cost of living for the majority of people. Indeed, he is so unpopular that even his natural allies strive to avoid mentioning his name, for fear of public scorn. Your fixation on 'leftists' really is both irrational and amusing. I guess that is what happens when you live in the MAGA, fox news bubble. You really should get out more.

And yet millions of Brits (non-leftists of course) like him, not as many as your hero Starmer, but a lot.

This is going to be a tricky visit by King Charles , as the Pentagon (Trump🤡)

has said Britain should cede the Falkland Islands to Argentina , why because

Trump 🤡 is much more friendly with Javier Milei the President than with his

aliy the UK , and Trump 🤡 wants to build a golf course there ,

regards worgeordie

I can see the King "suddenly" having a (non) recurrence of his cancer problems and having to remain in the uk!

2 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

I can see the King "suddenly" having a (non) recurrence of his cancer problems and having to remain in the uk!

And as a pre existing medical condition his travel insurance wont cover him if the cancer suddenly flares up. Better not risk travelling.

7 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Only people eligible to vote qualify as Brits?

No.

You're right; the poll is flawed. It should have considered non-votes such as babes-in-arms, young children - both groups like the big Easter Bunny that Trump appears with - and the senile.

No doubt if these groups are counted, a majority of Brits approve of Trump.

1 minute ago, RayC said:

No.

You're right; the poll is flawed. It should have considered non-votes such as babes-in-arms, young children - both groups like the big Easter Bunny that Trump appears with - and the senile.

No doubt if these groups are counted, a majority of Brits approve of Trump.

Why the dishonesty?

12 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Why the dishonesty?

There is no dishonesty.

The poll which I linked to clearly shows - even allowing for a huge margin of error - that a majority of Brits do not have a favourable opinion of Donald Trump.

Accept it and stop trolling.

56 minutes ago, RayC said:

There is no dishonesty.

The poll which I linked to clearly shows - even allowing for a huge margin of error - that a majority of Brits do not have a favourable opinion of Donald Trump.

Accept it and stop trolling.

1. I never said the poll was flawed

2. I never said a majority of Bits approved of Trump

3. I said all along that a majority of Brits disapprove of Trump

I only said a lot of Brits, millions in fact, approve of Trump.

Any you have not been able to prove otherwise, have you?

Great start to the state visit. Washington has caused significant offense by putting up the Australian flag rather than the UK flag. Not that there is anything offensive in the Australian flag. Just the wrong flag to put up. Although I suppose you could argue Charles is the head of state of Australia. Try to do the right thing and just balls it up.

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

1. I never said the poll was flawed

2. I never said a majority of Bits approved of Trump

3. I said all along that a majority of Brits disapprove of Trump

I only said a lot of Brits, millions in fact, approve of Trump.

Any you have not been able to prove otherwise, have you?

No you didn't but you did state,

"Given the depth of loathing and revulsion for Trump among the British people leftists..."

There, fixed it for you"

I pointed out that if it was only "leftists" in Britain who disapproved of Trump ,then that would be bad news for right-wing parties. However, given that Reform are polling well in the UK and that Trump is unpopular with+/-80% of British voters, it cannot be just "leftists" who disapprove of Trump.

The bottom line is that Trump is unpopular with the overwhelming majority of Brits - be they left, right or centre leaning - and no amount of obfuscation by you will change that fact.

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

No you didn't but you did state,

"Given the depth of loathing and revulsion for Trump among the British people leftists..."

There, fixed it for you"

I pointed out that if it was only "leftists" in Britain who disapproved of Trump ,then that would be bad news for right-wing parties. However, given that Reform are polling well in the UK and that Trump is unpopular with+/-80% of British voters, it cannot be just "leftists" who disapprove of Trump.

The bottom line is that Trump is unpopular with the overwhelming majority of Brits - be they left, right or centre leaning - and no amount of obfuscation by you will change that fact.

So why pretend I did?

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So why pretend I did?

More obfuscation and/or trolling.

What am I supposedly accusing you of?

13 minutes ago, RayC said:

More obfuscation and/or trolling.

What am I supposedly accusing you of?

How am I obfuscating?

I said that a majority of Brits disapprove of Trump, and that a lot of Brits, millions in fact, approve of Trump.

What about that is hard for you to understand?

Do you believe those claims are untrue?

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How am I obfuscating?

I said that a majority of Brits disapprove of Trump, and that a lot of Brits, millions in fact, approve of Trump.

What about that is hard for you to understand?

Do you believe those claims are untrue?

So you cannot point to me accusing you of anything or me being dishonest in this thread. Glad that we cleared that up.

obfuscate (verb)

to make something less clear and harder to understand, especially intentionally

(Source: Cambridge Dictionary)

I can think of no better example of obfuscation than your replies in this thread. Firstly, you imply incorrectly that only 'lefties' in Britain disapprove of Trump. When I illustrate that this is not the case you obfuscate matters by implying that a sample taken from a population of 40 million voters is not representative of the total population of 70 million (No you didn't state this explicitly but why else introduce this issue?). You then attempt to muddy the waters further by stating that millions of Brits approve of Trump, ignoring the fact that +/-4* as many disapprove of him.

So, will you now accept that Trump is unpopular with the overwhelming majority of Brits and that this number is not limited to 'lefties'?

1 minute ago, RayC said:

So you cannot point to me accusing you of anything or me being dishonest in this thread. Glad that we cleared that up.

obfuscate (verb)

to make something less clear and harder to understand, especially intentionally

(Source: Cambridge Dictionary)

I can think of no better example of obfuscation than your replies in this thread. Firstly, you imply incorrectly that only 'lefties' in Britain disapprove of Trump. When I illustrate that this is not the case you obfuscate matters by implying that a sample taken from a population of 40 million voters is not representative of the total population of 70 million (No you didn't state this explicitly but why else introduce this issue?). You then attempt to muddy the waters further by stating that millions of Brits approve of Trump, ignoring the fact that +/-4* as many disapprove of him.

So, will you now accept that Trump is unpopular with the overwhelming majority of Brits and that this number is not limited to 'lefties'?

I pointed out to a number of examples of you being dishonest. That you say I have not is just you being dishonest again.

Again, what I said was, that that a majority of Brits disapprove of Trump, and that a lot of Brits, millions in fact, approve of Trump.

Is that a true statement of not?

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I pointed out to a number of examples of you being dishonest. That you say I have not is just you being dishonest again.

Then you shouldn't have any trouble quoting these examples.

I wait with bated breath.

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Again, what I said was, that that a majority of Brits disapprove of Trump, and that a lot of Brits, millions in fact, approve of Trump.

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Is that a true statement of not?

I have not said otherwise.

Trump is 1) unpopular with the overwhelming majority of Brits and 2) this number is not limited to 'lefties'?

Are they true statements or not?

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

Then you shouldn't have any trouble quoting these examples.

I wait with bated breath.

Sure you will

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

I have not said otherwise.

So I was right, thanks,

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

Trump is 1) unpopular with the overwhelming majority of Brits and 2) this number is not limited to 'lefties'?

Are they true statement?

Those are your statements not mine.

32 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Sure you will

So you cannot produce any evidence that I have been dishonest.

Do you retract this accusation? A 'Yes' will suffice (an apology would be welcome but is not necessary). If no, then detail the instance(s).

32 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So I was right, thanks,

Yes, you are right millions of Brits approve of Trump.

32 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Those are your statements not mine.

I am obviously fully aware than they are my statements, my questions are whether you accept the veracity of them. I will repeat them below for ease of reference. Simple 'Yeses' will suffice but any 'Nos' will require a bit more elaboration:

Do you agree that:

1) Trump is unpopular with the overwhelming majority of Brits and

2) this number is not limited to 'lefties'?

No more diversion or obfuscation please.

5 minutes ago, RayC said:

So you cannot produce any evidence that I have been dishonest.

I have, and I could

5 minutes ago, RayC said:

Do you retract this accusation?

No

5 minutes ago, RayC said:

A 'Yes' will suffice (an apology would be welcome but is not necessary). If no, then detail the instance(s).

Right

5 minutes ago, RayC said:

Yes, you are right millions of Brits approve of Trump.

I know

5 minutes ago, RayC said:

I am obviously fully aware than they are my statements, my questions are whether you accept the veracity of them. I will repeat them below for ease of reference. Simple 'Yeses' will suffice but any 'Nos' will require a bit more elaboration:

Do you agree that:

1) Trump is unpopular with the overwhelming majority of Brits and

2) this number is not limited to 'lefties''?

1. yes

2. I don't know,

5 minutes ago, RayC said:

No more diversion or obfuscation please.

You first

16 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I have, and I could

You haven't and you can't for the simple reason that I haven't been dishonest in this thread.

Either 'put up' or 'shut up'.

16 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

No

Then you are the one who is being dishonest and unscrupulous.

16 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Right

Meaningless

16 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I know

Accepted. No need to debate further. Move on

16 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

1. yes

Then I was right.

16 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

1. I don't know,

Then you have very limited powers of deduction.

16 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You first

I address your points directly and without obfuscation which is more than can be said for you the majority of the time.

I'd like to say that this has been fun but then I would be lying.