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US Policy Shift Sparks New Row Over Falklands Sovereignty

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3 minutes ago, BusyB said:

In 1953 the US at the behest of the UK deposed a democratically elected Iranian government, imposed the Shah tyranny and kept it going for so long the Iranians desperately turned to Khomeini for rescue. To plunder Iranian oil. The US is largely responsible in every way for the plight of Iran and the Iranian people today. They turned in desperation to Khomeini as the only unifier available. And have suffered under religious tyranny since - a tyranny strengthened by US behavior.

Iran has NEVER threatened the US. It has occasionally carried out hostile and murderous acts. That you fail to comprehend the country's hostility towards you is a measure of your comprehension of the world in general.

Perhaps if you exercised kindness and support, shared your wealth and power, instead of tearing up functioning nuclear treaties to stir up the hostility again, you might find what a peace loving and generous people they are. I've only ever met kind and gracious Iranians (not many I admit, but ALL kind and gracious) They have certainly suffered appallingly as a result of US hegemony as much as religious tyranny. Not least in recent weeks.

Americans whinge about the price of gas. Iranians are now scratching for food thanks to them.

Bang on brother - when you realise that the US has killed 10s of millions in their rapacious economic empire whilst screaming democracy and "freedom" your whole life will change.

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3 minutes ago, BusyB said:

In 1953 the US at the behest of the UK deposed a democratically elected Iranian government, imposed the Shah tyranny and kept it going for so long the Iranians desperately turned to Khomeini for rescue. To plunder Iranian oil. The US is largely responsible in every way for the plight of Iran and the Iranian people today. They turned in desperation to Khomeini as the only unifier available. And have suffered under religious tyranny since - a tyranny strengthened by US behavior.

Iran has NEVER threatened the US. It has occasionally carried out hostile and murderous acts. That you fail to comprehend the country's hostility towards you is a measure of your comprehension of the world in general.

Perhaps if you exercised kindness and support, shared your wealth and power, instead of tearing up functioning nuclear treaties to stir up the hostility again, you might find what a peace loving and generous people they are. I've only ever met kind and gracious Iranians (not many I admit, but ALL kind and gracious) They have certainly suffered appallingly as a result of US hegemony as much as religious tyranny. Not least in recent weeks.

Americans whinge about the price of gas. Iranians are now scratching for food thanks to them.

Did the Biden Administration not try kindness, support, and sharing the wealth with Iran for four years?

Was Iran not involved in the attempted assassination of Trump and other US officials during the 2024 election?

Do you think Iran should be allowed to continue developing their nuclear and interconnectable ballistic missile programs?

3 minutes ago, BusyB said:

Russia obviously.

And we can no longer rely on the US. It supports Russia. Directly and indirectly. Openly prefers it. Literally bows down to it. That is a sea change in global alliances and we're responding to it.

The EU can be slow and comfy a lot of the time, that makes it reliable and benevolent and it works. And we can also be very fast and exceedingly efficient and powerful when responding to threats of any nature. (Including the US attempt to bust the euro back then ;D)

How is the US supporting Russia, oil prices?

1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Bang on brother - when you realise that the US has killed 10s of millions in their rapacious economic empire whilst screaming democracy and "freedom" your whole life will change.

I'm sure the only reason Europeans see the US as so benevolent is because the bunker busters weren't falling on our air raid shelters and the napalm wasn't gushing through our towns and villages.

But since Iraq we've been wising up.

16 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I asked Deep Seek what they thought !

So you cannot think for yourself and "ask" a Chinese mouthpiece for its "sage advice!!

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Did the Biden Administration not try kindness, support, and sharing the wealth with Iran for four years?

I don't know about Biden, but I do know that Trump tore up a (one of many) functioning treaty that was bringing certainty about the country's nuclear program and assets as well as some serious economic relief to the country at last. A treaty backed by many democratic countries. And obviously followed wisely by Biden.

We now have to deal with the economic fall out from the US' latest contemptible war of choice. NOT TRUMP note - you elected him, it's what you want. Blaming Trump is like saying Adolf killed 6 million. It took millions of Germans to do what 'Adolf' did. And 'Trump' and his disgraceful regime are supported by tens of millions of AMERICANS.

Sadly for the decent ones the world is now responding to that, like they did with Germany. Serious change is afoot and you have none but yourselves to blame.

I am not aware of any Iranian attempt to assassinate Trump, but I'm open to factual evidence. I think the ear twitcher got closer to Ol Bone Spurs, and that was (like 9-11) a US security lapse.

15 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Do you think Iran should be allowed to continue developing their nuclear and interconnectable ballistic missile programs?

Of course not. But they weren't under the treaty Trump tore up. Normality was gradually moving in.

It's logical they resumed it again. I would have.

And let's face it, Trump wouldn't dare start bombing N. Korea now would he? He'd rather genuflect to Little Rocket Man. Wonder why ...

4 minutes ago, BusyB said:

Of course not. But they weren't under the treaty Trump tore up. Normality was gradually moving in.

It's logical they resumed it again. I would have.

And let's face it, Trump wouldn't dare start bombing N. Korea now would he? He'd rather genuflect to Little Rocket Man. Wonder why ...

Trump did not tear up a treaty. He got out of the JCPOA, which was an agreement between Obama, Iran and the UN. Had it been a treaty, Trump could not have pulled out.

The JCPOA did not do anything to stop Iran's nuclear program, except to limit uranium enrichment levels, and it had a ten-year sunset that removed all restrictions. The JCPOA also did not facilitate unscheduled inspections, making it largely useless. It die provide Iran with much needed funding to build up their military and fund their proxies.

The JCPOA did nothing to restrict Iran's intercontinental ballistic missile program, but it did fund it.

North Korea is not chanting "death to America", but do you really want another North Korea?

22 minutes ago, BusyB said:

I don't know about Biden, but I do know that Trump tore up a (one of many) functioning treaty that was bringing certainty about the country's nuclear program and assets as well as some serious economic relief to the country at last. A treaty backed by many democratic countries. And obviously followed wisely by Biden.

We now have to deal with the economic fall out from the US' latest contemptible war of choice. NOT TRUMP note - you elected him, it's what you want. Blaming Trump is like saying Adolf killed 6 million. It took millions of Germans to do what 'Adolf' did. And 'Trump' and his disgraceful regime are supported by tens of millions of AMERICANS.

Sadly for the decent ones the world is now responding to that, like they did with Germany. Serious change is afoot and you have none but yourselves to blame.

I am not aware of any Iranian attempt to assassinate Trump, but I'm open to factual evidence. I think the ear twitcher got closer to Ol Bone Spurs, and that was (like 9-11) a US security lapse.

Well, I know about Biden, he begged Iran come to the table, and he lifted sanctions (like he did Russia), further Iran's military and terrorist proxies.

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Trump did not tear up a treaty. He got out of the JCPOA, which was an agreement between Obama, Iran and the UN. Had it been a treaty, Trump could not have pulled out.

The JCPOA did not do anything to stop Iran's nuclear program, except to limit uranium enrichment levels, and it had a ten-year sunset that removed all restrictions. The JCPOA also did not facilitate unscheduled inspections, making it largely useless. It die provide Iran with much needed funding to build up their military and fund their proxies.

The JCPOA did nothing to restrict Iran's intercontinental ballistic missile program, but it did fund it.

North Korea is not chanting "death to America", but do you really want another North Korea?

This tired trope of Death to America is really tiresome - is that best you got they kept shouting nasty things at us so we had to kill them ? Ditto burning or trampling over flags - grow up America and stop behaving like a spoilt teenager on steroids with a sugar habit and too many guns. For the rest of the world Trump is as good excuse to ignore you until and if you come to your senses. If not we will happily leave you to rot in peace. You had your day in the sun like every other dog.

17 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

This tired trope of Death to America is really tiresome - is that best you got they kept shouting nasty things at us so we had to kill them ? Ditto burning or trampling over flags - grow up America and stop behaving like a spoilt teenager on steroids with a sugar habit and too many guns. For the rest of the world Trump is as good excuse to ignore you until and if you come to your senses. If not we will happily leave you to rot in peace. You had your day in the sun like every other dog.

That's all you have on Trump

56 minutes ago, BusyB said:

I don't know about Biden, but I do know that Trump tore up a (one of many) functioning treaty that was bringing certainty about the country's nuclear program and assets as well as some serious economic relief to the country at last. A treaty backed by many democratic countries. And obviously followed wisely by Biden.

We now have to deal with the economic fall out from the US' latest contemptible war of choice. NOT TRUMP note - you elected him, it's what you want. Blaming Trump is like saying Adolf killed 6 million. It took millions of Germans to do what 'Adolf' did. And 'Trump' and his disgraceful regime are supported by tens of millions of AMERICANS.

Sadly for the decent ones the world is now responding to that, like they did with Germany. Serious change is afoot and you have none but yourselves to blame.

I am not aware of any Iranian attempt to assassinate Trump, but I'm open to factual evidence. I think the ear twitcher got closer to Ol Bone Spurs, and that was (like 9-11) a US security lapse.

One was a pro-Ukrainian kook who had volunteered over there. But he didn't have the cards.

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Was Iran not involved in the attempted assassination of Trump and other US officials during the 2024 election?

What are you on about? Do you mean the infamous "earsassination" scam? That was highly likely arranged with the help of Mossad.

43 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Trump did not tear up a treaty. He got out of the JCPOA, which was an agreement between Obama, Iran and the UN. Had it been a treaty, Trump could not have pulled out.

What??🤣

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Perhaps it is time for Spain to apply t for the return of Arizona, California, New Mexico , Colorado etc.

8 minutes ago, Palatus said:

Perhaps it is time for Spain to apply t for the return of Arizona, California, New Mexico , Colorado etc.

It’s all an invention - maps drawn on the skin and bones of the unwary, framed by a language we didn't choose and flags waved at naked made up emperors. Once you realize the game is a fiction, you can finally stop playing. Then, and only then, can you die happy. And I just made all that up.

22 minutes ago, Palatus said:

Perhaps it is time for Spain to apply t for the return of Arizona, California, New Mexico , Colorado etc.

you mean the land the Spanish stole from the Aztec Empire?

19 hours ago, Bannoi said:

You mean the USA

The USA is a vassal state of the City of London and European Globalists. Europe also created and manipulates Israel to be the US's handler. Make no mistake, the European Globalist criminal syndicate is above both the USA and Israel in the hierarchy of evil. The fact that they have used the USA to do their dirty work doesn't change this.

A cartoon video with no dialogue has been removed also a post purposely misspelling politicians names.

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3 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

During the Korean war, the Chinese fought the United States to a standstill. And the US had a big army there. But you think it would have been a wise decision for the British with supply lines that would be thousands of miles long , to fight against the Chinese right on their border?

No wonder you unfailingly approve of Trump''s strategy, such as it is, in the Iran war

How long was our supply line to Okinawa and Normandy.

The days of British greatness, built on the blood and treasure of the "lesser races", are over.

3 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Bang on brother - when you realise that the US has killed 10s of millions in their rapacious economic empire whilst screaming democracy and "freedom" your whole life will change

10s of millions LOL. The hysterical lunacy is increasing to a frenzy of delusion 555555555555555555

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

you mean the land the Spanish stole from the Aztec Empire?

You mean the land the Aztecs stole from the Alcohua?

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

You mean the land the Aztecs stole from the Alcohua?

But but but Trump!

There has been a video floating around on here what a MAGA fan is all about. Im no longer taking there bait so i do not answer there post's but to the newbies should look at it and listen to what he say's such as if you post something they don't or can't answer they will change the post and bring up Biden or Obama its called deflection, hit them with something they can't den'y and they will bring older names into the thread or will try to insult you its how they work and it gets there post counts up.

4 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

This tired trope of Death to America is really tiresome - is that best you got they kept shouting nasty things at us so we had to kill them ? Ditto burning or trampling over flags - grow up America and stop behaving like a spoilt teenager on steroids with a sugar habit and too many guns. For the rest of the world Trump is as good excuse to ignore you until and if you come to your senses. If not we will happily leave you to rot in peace. You had your day in the sun like every other dog.

The problem is it's not just Trump is it?

It's the millions of mentally and morally challenged that elected him in full knowledge of what an appalling disgrace of barely a human he is.

The US has given up any pretense of being civilized and enlightened since it elected GWB for a second term. It's a barbarian, rogue, bullying nation that despises its former allies and friends for being 'weak'. And its opposition, such as still exists, has proven incapable of stopping the developments.

It's not Trump at all - he's just a symptom. Their mouthpiece. Their idol.

It's gonna take a generation at least for the US to get sorted and return to some form of decency. If it ever does with Project 2025 already bearing down. This lot has been quietly beavering away at this since GWBush and the hanging chards. They have no values in common with the enlightened free 'west', from Australia, via Japan and S. Korea, to Europe and, hohoho, Greenland.

As you point out, they are also extremely thin skinned, fearful and insecure and easily provoked. Like their felon in chief.

And guess what, they are all mostly 'deeply religious' 'christian' loonytics. Mirror images of the mullahs and with pretty much the same approach to a modern changing world they don't understand in the slightest.

That's why they're so frightened and touchy to the point of warfare.

Replacing Trump won't change things for the better at all. Just look at the horrors waiting in the Republican wings.

And despite the flashes of occasional light (pun intended) in the dems like Ossoff et al, that party has been bought by the same ones who bought the Reps.

6 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

So you cannot think for yourself and "ask" a Chinese mouthpiece for its "sage advice!!

Unfortunately thats the way the whole world seems to be evolving if it carries on humanity may lose the ability to think for itself altogether we will be controlled by computers and algorithms.

Computer software will make all our decisions for us tell us what to do how to act even how we are feeling.

5 hours ago, uncletiger said:

The USA is a vassal state of the City of London and European Globalists. Europe also created and manipulates Israel to be the US's handler. Make no mistake, the European Globalist criminal syndicate is above both the USA and Israel in the hierarchy of evil. The fact that they have used the USA to do their dirty work doesn't change this.

By "the City of London and European Globalists", your sort really means the Jews, right?

Loon.

They were not and have never been a part of Argentina. The Argentine claim to the Falklands was never established and rests solely on the former presence of the Spanish on the island. Using the Argentine logic, the USA, Germany, French and Portuguese could make a claim too since they all had whaling/seal killing stations. It was only the British who had invested in building long term settlements and who established a legal claim in 1833. The Argentinians never had a population, nor a colony on the Falklands. The did try to establish a penal colony and it failed. Today, the local inhabitants do not want anything to do with the Falklands.

A close reading of the US position accepts the will of the Falklands people. To do otherwise, is to greenlight a Chinese invasion of Taiwan and to facilitate Chinese expansion in the South China Sea, which the USA is opposed to. The Falklands is British and this is undeniable. The financially insolvent and inept Argentinians should find another national rallying focus, like maybe an effort to end corruption?

11 hours ago, Palatus said:

I suppose you must be American, open mouth first then think about it later? The uninhabited Falkland islands were originally claimed by the British for Britain in 1765, before Argentina even came into existence.

Come to think of it before your mob became a country also. #arroganceknowsnobounds

Sometimes Yagoda seems very Russian. "Yagoda" is a Russian word and name. Don't recall that he or she has identified themselves as American. I've always assumed they are a Russian.

4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

10s of millions LOL. The hysterical lunacy is increasing to a frenzy of delusion 555555555555555555

Ah a US genocide denier - noted. I asked Gemini - they are up there with your mates the Nazis.

The Grand Total

If you aggregate these major conflicts along with smaller interventions (Grenada, Panama, various African and Balkan involvements), most academic and independent estimates range between 10 million and 20 million deaths.

  • Conservative estimates: Focus only on direct military action and confirmed civilian "collateral damage," usually landing around 7–10 million.

  • Broader estimates: Include the "Colonel class" style coups and the long-term ripple effects of infrastructure collapse, which push the figure toward 20 million or more.

4. Why the numbers vary so much

  • State Proliferation: It is hard to distinguish between deaths caused specifically by U.S. actions and those caused by the local regimes or opposing superpowers (like the USSR or China) that the U.S. was fighting at the time.

  • Economic Sanctions: Some researchers include deaths from sanctions (notably in Iraq during the 1990s), while others argue these are not "prosecution of war" in the traditional sense.

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