26 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

I'm very happy to be proved wrong with whatever back up you've got in relation to influential family members wanting to be ait hostesses.

Do your own research buddy, or make some Thai friends and speak to them.

6 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

The fact is that Thailand flight attendants speak good English having had a good, often expensive, education.

Many bar girls speak good english, and without the advantage of an expensive education, what's your point?

5 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

The fact is that Thailand flight attendants speak good English having had a good, often expensive, education.

Maybe some. There are poor Thai people speaking English and educated.

Do not generalise.

4 minutes ago, TimBKK said:

Do your own research buddy, or make some Thai friends and speak to them.

"research"? about something like this ? are you actually serious?

2 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

No fixation. But you seem to have a really negative and dismissive attitude about air crews. Why? As many of us have now indicated, as an employer, THAI is still seen as a top-tier employer that only a relative few would ever work for (due to its popularity and status).

THAI or any other, will recruit staff only as much as their fleet requires, isn't it?

Not something specific to Thai. Many flight attendants from airlinesaround the world have often been nabbed on smuggling issues as very often they just sway through customs and security in their uniforms thinking no end of themselves and are not checked properly enough for contraband. Some of the top drug smuggling scandals in America or gold contraband from Dubai, did involve inflight staff that includes pilots.

International cabin crew is a respected, relatively well-paid profession in Thailand that is commonly associated with the urban middle class and upwardly mobile families. There is no evidence that it is dominated by Thailand’s elite families, but neither is there evidence that people from influential families are absent from the profession.

https://digital.car.chula.ac.th/chulaetd/51629/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.car.chula.ac.th/display7.php?bib=2128877&utm_source=chatgpt.com

5 minutes ago, Sigmund said:

Not something specific to Thai. Many flight attendants from airlinesaround the world have often been nabbed on smuggling issues as very often they just sway through customs and security in their uniforms thinking no end of themselves and are not checked properly enough for contraband. Some of the top drug smuggling scandals in America or gold contraband from Dubai, did involve inflight staff that includes pilots.

often they just sway through customs and security in their uniforms thinking no end of themselves

That is quite justified. We see many foreigners doing that here in beaches and shopping malls wearing wife beaters and flip flops

4 minutes ago, Sigmund said:

Not something specific to Thai. Many flight attendants from airlinesaround the world have often been nabbed on smuggling issues as very often they just sway through customs and security in their uniforms thinking no end of themselves and are not checked properly enough for contraband. Some of the top drug smuggling scandals in America or gold contraband from Dubai, did involve inflight staff that includes pilots.

Yes, they aren't scrutinized as heavily everywhere - depends on airport. There was that case in the US years ago where a disgruntled former ground staff smuggled a handgun onto the plane and shot the guy who fired him (he knew he was on that flight and bought a ticket himself). Then he shot the pilot, co-pilot and another person before the aircraft crashed into a field. There was a very recent report in Canada on how the airside baggage handlers aren't checked when they leave the airport after a shift. Some were involved in an international drug smuggling racket. They could redirect the suitcase with the drugs and place its contents into plastic bags and waltz out of the airport after their shifts.

3 minutes ago, Nemises said:

International cabin crew is a respected, relatively well-paid profession in Thailand that is commonly associated with the urban middle class and upwardly mobile families. There is no evidence that it is dominated by Thailand’s elite families, but neither is there evidence that people from influential families are absent from the profession.

https://digital.car.chula.ac.th/chulaetd/51629/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.car.chula.ac.th/display7.php?bib=2128877&utm_source=chatgpt.com

Sought after by some ? of course? Respected? well its not on the list of people who can verify documents like Doctors or Lawyers and other professionals so no , in my opinion and presumably the opinion of those who decide these things , not particularly respected

However whilst, unlike a few on here I ,am not in awe of those who are employed as air hostesses, they are simply people doing a job, but I don't think they should be treated with disrespect either, they are no different to any other waitress

24 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Sought after by some ? of course? Respected? well its not on the list of people who can verify documents like Doctors or Lawyers and other professionals so no , in my opinion and presumably the opinion of those who decide these things , not particularly respected

However whilst, unlike a few on here I ,am not in awe of those who are employed as air hostesses, they are simply people doing a job, but I don't think they should be treated with disrespect either, they are no different to any other waitress

Calling cabin crew “just waitresses” overlooks that their primary role is safety. They’re trained to evacuate aircraft, fight onboard fires, administer first aid and manage emergencies. The meal service is only one part of the job.

28 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Sought after by some ? of course? Respected? well its not on the list of people who can verify documents like Doctors or Lawyers and other professionals so no , in my opinion and presumably the opinion of those who decide these things , not particularly respected

You’re confusing “professional” in a legal sense with “respected” in a social sense. Doctors can witness documents because of legislation, not because they’re the only respected occupation. By that logic, airline pilots, chefs and professional athletes wouldn’t be respected either.

2 minutes ago, Nemises said:

Calling cabin crew “just waitresses” overlooks that their primary role is safety. They’re trained to evacuate aircraft, fight onboard fires, administer first aid and manage emergencies. The meal service is only one part of the job.

Evacuating the aircraft is hardly their primary activity though is it ? neither is first aid ,or fire fighting thankfully in over 40 years of fling I have never seen an air hostess do either, The in flight meal is 90% of their job , the other 10% would consist of cleaning up vomit, telling people to fasten their seatbelts , and of course helping idiots find their correct seats

^ By that logic, lifeguards are mainly deckchair attendants because they rarely rescue anyone. The absence of emergencies doesn’t change what they’re trained and employed to do.

Fortunately, you’ve rarely seen them evacuate an aircraft or fight a fire—that means the safety systems worked. Their emergency training exists for the flights when things don’t go to plan. That’s why airlines invest so heavily in it.

22 hours ago, wil iam not said:

A tip off maybe, from a jealous Ozzie fellow.

More likely a Thai, national pass time for them is to grass.

5 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

You are free to agree or otherwise, up to you, i dont care one way or the other, many jobs now include "health and safety" training and training regarding first aid and emergency procedures its hardly unique to air travel , in fact one would be hard pressed to find a job with a large company that does not include some safety training its often a legal requirement, In my previous life I was "just" a land surveyor and construction engineer but i also was obliged to complete all sorts of safety training , I was still only a surveyor / engineer, no delusions of grandeur from me ,or,from anybody on my behalf

Funny how we’ve gone from “just waitresses” to “everyone gets safety training.” That’s quite a different argument.

I heard Thamanat gave it to her. Told her it was flour.

18 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Evacuating the aircraft is hardly their primary activity though is it ? neither is first aid ,or fire fighting thankfully in over 40 years of fling I have never seen an air hostess do either, The in flight meal is 90% of their job , the other 10% would consist of cleaning up vomit, telling people to fasten their seatbelts , and of course helping idiots find their correct seats

We used to joke about our kid being a flight attendant but after 4 International flights she knows the score. She'd never want that job.

Thus the Thai planes flight back to Thailand, I assume, was one air hostess short. Feel sorry for the passengers awaiting their drinks and meal.

3 minutes ago, Nemises said:

Funny how we’ve gone from “just waitresses” to “everyone gets safety training.” That’s quite a different argument.

who's arguing? most jobs include safety training , it is not unique to air hostesses my garbage collector in the UK will have had some compulsory safety training , They are indeed just waitresses, with no need to actually take any orders , as long as they can remember whether its chicken or fish they are qualified

27 minutes ago, Nemises said:

You’re confusing “professional” in a legal sense with “respected” in a social sense. Doctors can witness documents because of legislation, not because they’re the only respected occupation. By that logic, airline pilots, chefs and professional athletes wouldn’t be respected either.

i don't respect chefs or athletes

1 hour ago, ronnie50 said:

Yes, they aren't scrutinized as heavily everywhere - depends on airport. There was that case in the US years ago where a disgruntled former ground staff smuggled a handgun onto the plane and shot the guy who fired him (he knew he was on that flight and bought a ticket himself). Then he shot the pilot, co-pilot and another person before the aircraft crashed into a field. There was a very recent report in Canada on how the airside baggage handlers aren't checked when they leave the airport after a shift. Some were involved in an international drug smuggling racket. They could redirect the suitcase with the drugs and place its contents into plastic bags and waltz out of the airport after their shifts.

All smugglers are doing is keeping govts from fleecing tax money. Long may they live free!

(Never noticed how much he looks like Leon!)

11 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

who's arguing? most jobs include safety training , it is not unique to air hostesses my garbage collector in the UK will have had some compulsory safety training , They are indeed just waitresses, with no need to actually take any orders , as long as they can remember whether its chicken or fish they are qualified

If airlines thought they only needed people to remember “chicken or fish”, they wouldn’t spend weeks training them in emergency evacuations, firefighting, decompression, security threats, ditching procedures and first aid. Meal service can be done by anyone; that’s not what qualifies someone to be cabin crew.

12 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

i don't respect chefs or athletes

Fair enough—that’s your personal view. We were discussing whether those professions are generally respected, not whether you personally admire them.

3 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Australian Federal Police, as well as state police, will be going through her life. Phone records, including phone tower locations, messages, emails, accommodation, restaurants, cafes, visitors, associates, Ubers, bank accounts, CCTV, the lot. They will be looking to trace every step from her last flight, and any communications or plans for this arrival.

They will be doing their best to find her contact in Australia.

No. No they won't. They could, and they won't.

1 minute ago, Nemises said:

Fair enough—that’s your personal view. We were discussing whether those professions are generally respected, not whether you personally admire them.

i did not say i didn't admire them i said i did not respect them

1 hour ago, Bday Prang said:

Many bar girls speak good english, and without the advantage of an expensive education, what's your point?

My only point is that, a long time ago, Thai flight attendants had to have been well educated, and to be able to speak good English.

9 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

i did not say i didn't admire them i said i did not respect them

Thanks for clarifying. We still disagree, and I think we’ve both made our views clear.

1 hour ago, ravip said:

Maybe some. There are poor Thai people speaking English and educated.

Do not generalise.

Which is why I wrote the word 'often'.

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

I don't that that for one moment but this is 2026, not 1962, and, so far, no one has mentioned any influential family name being connected to air hostessing in the last 64 years.

Not sure about 64 years. More likely 40 years approx.