5 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

What's disheartening (and a little alarming) is that this hyper-vigilance to make sure passbook is updated on same day as visa application suggests that monitoring to ensure that deposit requirements are adhered to for 3 months after visa renewal may be right around the corner. The only thing that has stopped this from long ago being implemented is that it would throw a monkey wrench in the gravy train collusion between agents and IO officers. In other words, if everyone was required to come into immigration to verify funds were on deposit 3 months after the visa was renewed, that would put an end to the sham deposit schemes agents use. It would also necessitate an additional trip to immigration every year, which would significantly lower the value of a one year visa. It doesn't make sense to be hyper-vigilant during the less than 30 days leading up to the visa renewal and then not monitor balances throughout the year, does it?

Well they tried that before and people correctly realized they didn't een to show up for that, so they dropped it.

I doubt they will do that game again.

If there was non-compliance during the year, it shows up at the next extension.

It would be crazy actually to show up with such clear non-compliance for a non-agent application.

16 hours ago, Tourist2 said:

Tell him to lighten up and that he's lucky any foreigners that want to stay there - esp outside of December and Jan (when the weather is liveable).

If he pushes back ask him how his mother, daughter, wife and all the other women in pattaya would survive without foreign money.. Tell him he should go for a short break to think it through as without people like u he'd be out of a job.

Should bring him to his senses

I might do that if I had my affairs in order for a quick exit from Thailand.

16 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

If you have a dedicated bank account for extension purposes then I assume you also provide a 12 month bank statement unless you have an FD account.

Most offices would not accept bank book with zero activity in some months

Which you would not as 100b deposit not possible with FD account

Sorry for the confusion.

I didn't mean completely inactive.

It's a normal savings account.

Over the year this year I had a tiny number of transactions and then of course interest deposits and because my visa account isn't on the app I pay a fee for instant notifications of any activity for which a fee is deducted.

Certainly not even close to activity every month though.

I've been unclear whether to pay the bank fee for a 12 month statement as every transaction shows on the book, but I've been doing it just in case.

I'm not really sure what you're saying actually.

Are you saying I should expect a problem having a normal savings account that I just don't use very much?

Why would immigration push back on that as long as the immigration letter and bank book copy is supplied?

I could start a new topic on this, but it's in same ballpark, so I have a new question.

I was told by my home branch that I could get an immigration letter for Jomtien immigration at any SCB branch in the Pattaya area.

So what would happen if you move to a new city?!?

Your home branch where you opened the account would still be in the Pattaya area.

Does that mean you would need to travel to get an immigration letter every year, or if not, how does that work?

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8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Why would immigration push back on that as long as the immigration letter and bank book copy is supplied?

They would not push back.

I stated if there was zero transactions in a particular month then immigration could request a 12 month bank statement (200b)

Just my opinion.. I can imagine in future the 12 month statement will become the norm

3 hours ago, jas007 said:

I thought that was always the case at Jomtien.

Anyway, I did the same day update one time at the same time I was getting my bank letter, but it was early in the morning and someone hadn't set the machine for the current date. It was still stuck on the day before. That seems strange, but that's what happened. I didn't pay anything attention, and when I got to Jomtien immigration, they made me go back and get an update with the right date.

I had a similar situation last year with Bangkok Bank when doing my Non O extension. I went early in the morning and wanted to make a deposit over the counter to create an update transaction. The bank told me it would not work because the bank's overnight reconciliation of the previous day was still processing and needed to rollover to the current date.

1 minute ago, DrJack54 said:

They would not push back.

I stated if there was zero transactions in a particular month then immigration could request a 12 month bank statement (200b)

Just my opinion.. I can imagine in future the 12 month statement will become the norm

1 minute ago, DrJack54 said:

They would not push back.

I stated if there was zero transactions in a particular month then immigration could request a 12 month bank statement (200b)

Just my opinion.. I can imagine in future the 12 month statement will become the norm

Thanks.

I've been unclear if it's really required but in recent years have been paying for it anyway just as "insurance" against being rejected for such a petty thing (as all transactions already shown on the book)

27 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Well you're wrong actually.

I've been doing previous day up until last July for many many years.

It was never even commented about by any officer.

So you thought it was the policy but it wasn't.

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Calling me a liar? Get lost

Several years ago I was sent back from the desk to go make a transaction on the day I applied for the extension, while my bank letter was dated 2 days before, and I had paid for it with a withdrawal from the account

Edited 7 hours ago7 hr by CallumWK

Just now, CallumWK said:

Calling me a liar? Get lost

I'm saying you probably thought that was the rule previously but it actually wasn't.

Here's a question -- did you actually show up in previous years with a previous day letter and were rejected?

If not, you don't KNOW in the way that I do that it actually used to be OK.

Sorry if I offended you. That wasn't my intention.

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I'm saying you probably thought that was the rule previously but it actually wasn't.

Here's a question -- did you actually show up in previous years with a previous day letter and were rejected?

If not, you don't KNOW in the way that I do that it actually used to be OK.

Sorry if I offended you. That wasn't my intention.

Read my edited post

5 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

Please explain this more thoroughly. If an agent deposits money in your account in order to meet a visa's financial requirements, they're only doing it for the amount of time required to secure the visa. They're not leaving the funds in the account year round. Just because an immigration office might have had a policy in the past of checking bank books at the post renewal three month mark, and was only enforcing this for non-agent applications and were turning a blind eye to those renewals handled by agents which didn't meet that requirement, doesn't mean that there couldn't be a crackdown under the Anutin regime in the same way a police department could crack down on internal corruption in a local precinct. That's exactly what they're doing with the crackdown on land ownership nominees. They're by-passing local officials and attorneys. They could easily do the same thing through internal auditing at immigration. If you think it can't happen with immigration, I'd say you're the one who might need a reality check. You seem to be suggesting that visa fraud is so entrenched in the system it can never be rooted out. I don't share that opinion. You are free to disagree, but I don't think my opinions deserve to be laughed at.

AKA as Dr J commented last reply to you.. "You don't understand," and is not the change this post relates to! l

1 minute ago, CallumWK said:

Read my edited post

OK, I did.

It appears to me that the problem you had with that rejection was because the bank book update was TWO days old.

It would never even try that.

What I had been doing for many years is this:

Transaction

Then immigration letter SAME DAY

Apply at immigration NEXT DAY.

That's one day later, not two.

Cheers.

Just now, Jingthing said:

OK, I did.

It appears to me that the problem you had with that rejection was because the bank book update was TWO days old.

It would never even try that.

What I had been doing for many years is this:

Transaction

Then immigration letter SAME DAY

Apply at immigration NEXT DAY.

That's one day later, not two.

Cheers.

You just want to have the last word as always don't you, working on your post count.

Bank letter is accepted for 7 days, not 2 days

5 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

I used an agent this year for my extension. I had to pop in Soi 5 for a pic. Was told to ask for Mr Football. Turns out it was a cute Tom.

"Mr Football" musn't be a single individual then as year before last we got there and the GF noted how young he looked compared to the photo we'd be given, then last year we weren't given a picture but I'm pretty sure it was the same guy either way it was definately a guy.

Will double check when I go do my next extension (not due until Sept 26th but I'll probably do it early August to get it out of the way).

14 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

You just want to have the last word as always don't you, working on your post count.

Bank letter is accepted for 7 days, not 2 days

I don't care about post count.

I'm not paid for it.

It's actually embarrasing.

That isn't the topic.

The main topic here was about the BANK BOOKS.

Now Jomtien insists that there be a transaction SAME DAY as the application.

If the transaction is a later day than the bank letter, the transaction must be a deposit.

On how old the bank letter can be I can only report what one officer clearly told me. Three days. Go ahead and try with a letter older than that and get back to us.

51 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I could start a new topic on this, but it's in same ballpark, so I have a new question.

I was told by my home branch that I could get an immigration letter for Jomtien immigration at any SCB branch in the Pattaya area.

So what would happen if you move to a new city?!?

Your home branch where you opened the account would still be in the Pattaya area.

Does that mean you would need to travel to get an immigration letter every year, or if not, how does that work?

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Not a problem for Yellow bank.

I get letters and statements on the day required from Nongkhai main branch for

12 months extension at Nongkhai immigration.

My bank branch is in jomtien. been fine for the last 6 years.

Also new passport update, and switch over to Phone banking all done in Nongkhai.

Edited 6 hours ago6 hr by rocketboy2

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The main topic here was about the BANK BOOKS.

Now Jomtien insists that there be a transaction SAME DAY as the application.

Surely this cannot apply to fixed deposit accounts as the clue is in "Fixed Deposit"!

The only transactions/entries that show on my fixed deposit account over a normal year are Interest paid in, withholding tax taken and c/f balance with new interest rate applied!

7 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Surely this cannot apply to fixed deposit accounts as the clue is in "Fixed Deposit"!

The only transactions/entries that show on my fixed deposit account over a normal year are Interest paid in, withholding tax taken and c/f balance with new interest rate applied!

Makes sense.

10 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

10 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Surely this cannot apply to fixed deposit accounts

You can make a deposit into an FD account at any time.

For most banks the minimum deposit will be eg 1500b

31 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

You can make a deposit into an FD account at any time.

For most banks the minimum deposit will be eg 1500b

Of course you can make a deposit (and even a withdrawal provided you do not go below the level of the Immigration extension rules and loose the interest). My point is that Immigration should nor require ANY transactions to be shown in such a fixed-as opposed to an account you use for living expenses, and they do not in CM.

When I get my bank letter all that happens to the account is that the passbook is updated without any transaction.

The interest/tax transactions are a few moths later.

2 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Immigration should nor require ANY transactions to be shown in such a fixed-as opposed to an account you use for living expenses, and they do not in CM.

Fact is you can update FD account by making a deposit on day of application.

My last transfer of stamps at CW.

The io sent me off to update accounts.

At that time I was using FD + Savings a/c, s

Fortunately I had my bank books with me.

Deposited 100 into savings and 1500 into FD

9 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Fact is you can update FD account by making a deposit on day of application.

My last transfer of stamps at CW.

The io sent me off to update accounts.

At that time I was using FD + Savings a/c, s

Fortunately I had my bank books with me.

Deposited 100 into savings and 1500 into FD

I agree that you CAN make a deposit into a Fixed Deposit Account but this is NOT/should NOT be required by IO!

It is NOT required in CM when I do my extenstions!

Of course enforcement varies based on office and also in some cases specific officers and their mood.

Keeps us expats on our toes, yeah?

AI suggests for SCB anyway, it's doable to change the "home branch" of your existing account if you move.

Relevant for this topic as a place to get your immigration letter.

13 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Have you ever done business at Pattaya immigration?

You want to get in and out as quick as possible, too many psycho foreigners for me.

You mean "cue " jumpers ?

As a point of information arriving at Jomtien immigration about 2:30 to 3:00 PM. (Two visits were needed.)

2 to 5 minute line for the copy machine.

0 to 2 minute line to get the queue numbers.

10 minute wait for the retirement desk, second time no wait at all.

In other words, basically dead.

Seasonal of course.

6 hours ago, SamSpade said:

"Mr Football" musn't be a single individual then as year before last we got there and the GF noted how young he looked compared to the photo we'd be given, then last year we weren't given a picture but I'm pretty sure it was the same guy either way it was definately a guy.

Will double check when I go do my next extension (not due until Sept 26th but I'll probably do it early August to get it out of the way).

I'm sure it's just a code word for having pic taken for visa service. I wasn't given a pic of Mr Football. I thought it was pretty funny though.