26 minutes ago, OneZero said:

Interesting for me to read this thread as I happen to own & personally use condos in Jomtien, Bangkok, Chiang Mai & Chiang Rai. Plus's & minuses for all, depending on various circumstances, so won't bore you with long discussion. I'm currently using Jomtien condo at moment & the bus trip from Jomtien to Suvanapooooom is cheap & easy followed by the ARL to Blue Line to Lumpini Park View condo (MRT entrance at condo front door). Real estate office on first floor I think probably has 40sqm studios available approx 20K/mo. I think I may try to sell in 2 - 3 years & was recently thinking of a few future words to describe it. The words that may fit your rental interest (I'm not trying to rent my room) might be as follows: Lumpini Park View Condo. MRT FRONT DOOR.  FANTASTIC VIEW. LOCATION  LOCATION  LOCATION.  Mega “One Bangkok”, a Business & Social Center for the city, only Short Walk via MRT tunnel under Rama IV.    Lumpini Park is Bangkok’s Heart & Lungs. 

I've stayed in the Lumpini area as a tourist many times so I obviously like it.

Good luck with your real estate endeavors.

A very on point list and and very good description of what retired expats are looking for (and need) in a Bangkok neighborhood.

www.elderthai.com/retirement/best-bangkok-neighborhoods-for-retirees

So many Bangkok neighborhoods, so little time.

The best Bangkok neighborhoods for retirees share a short list of traits: walkability, proximity to an English-capable hospital, a stable expat community, and daily services (pharmacies, supermarkets, English-speaking clinics) within a few hundred meters. Asoke, Phrom Phong, Thonglor, Ekkamai, Silom, Sathorn, Ari, Phayathai/Ratchathewi, Nichada Thani in Nonthaburi, and Bang Rak consistently rank highest for retiree livability. Khao San, Bang Na’s industrial stretch, and flood-prone parts of Lat Krabang rank low for different reasons. Elder Thai provides in-home caregivers across all of these areas.

Edited July 13Jul 13 by Jingthing

Neither. I want to live IN a natural environment, not an urban wasteland. Village within walking distance of a small city, perfect.

I pr.

23 minutes ago, rickudon said:

Neither. I want to live IN a natural environment, not an urban wasteland. Village within walking distance of a small city, perfect.

Neither isn't an option on this particular topic.

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

A responsible landlord would be doing TM30's in Bangkok.

You could ask a landlord not to do them and while many or most might welcome that, technically you're asking them to not follow Thai law so that's seems a bit dicey.

Owners of condos in Pattaya don't need to do new TM30s for travel around Thailand.

So in that scenario there would be TM30s for two separate places going.

My current understanding is that isn't really a problem but if that is so, I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes a problem later if they integrate address reporting to THIM.

Jingthing. It is absolutely NOT a problem. One cannot have 2 TM30 for different locations at the same time (as far as I know). Next time in Jomtien re-establish a TM30 in your passport for Jomtien (electric bill, ltr from condo, etc), & don't change TM30 thereafter. Long term condo rental is not like daily checking into a hotel ref TM30s. Ping ponging between 4 different cities has shown me it is not a problem to not change your TM30. Unless you use hotels within Thailand, only update TM30 if return from a trip outside Thailand.

Edited July 13Jul 13 by OneZero

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I've stayed in the Lumpini area as a tourist many times so I obviously like it.

BTW, in the "One Bangkok" development across the street from Lumpini Park View Condo is the BOI LTR 10-year visa office with its associated immigration office, so if you have a 10-year visa you could do the once-a-year report there.

5 hours ago, OneZero said:

Interesting for me to read this thread as I happen to own & personally use condos in Jomtien, Bangkok, Chiang Mai & Chiang Rai. Plus's & minuses for all, depending on various circumstances, so won't bore you with long discussion. I'm currently using Jomtien condo at moment & the bus trip from Jomtien to Suvanapooooom is cheap & easy followed by the ARL to Blue Line to Lumpini Park View condo (MRT entrance at condo front door). Real estate office on first floor I think probably has 40sqm studios available approx 20K/mo. I think I may try to sell in 2 - 3 years & was recently thinking of a few future words to describe it. The words that may fit your rental interest (I'm not trying to rent my room) might be as follows: Lumpini Park View Condo. MRT FRONT DOOR.  FANTASTIC VIEW. LOCATION  LOCATION  LOCATION.  Mega “One Bangkok”, a Business & Social Center for the city, only Short Walk via MRT tunnel under Rama IV.    Lumpini Park is Bangkok’s Heart & Lungs. 

which condo do u like in chiang rai? anything decent walking distance to downtown? i know condotel already...any newer ones?

1 minute ago, pomchop said:

which condo do u like in chiang rai? anything decent walking distance to downtown? i know condotel already...any newer ones?

I own 3 rooms in Condotel - High fl w/ good view, joined together & fully renovated. Yes, Excellent location city center, so sorry I can't advise because I had no interest in looking elsewhere.

Edited July 13Jul 13 by OneZero

6 hours ago, OneZero said:

Rent a room in Bkk. Don't change any already registered permanent address, don't do ant TM30's. Just return to Jomtien for your immigration requirements, using your Jomtien condo as your permanent address.

Sure, that´s also an option, but not the correct one.

2 hours ago, OneZero said:

I own 3 rooms in Condotel - High fl w/ good view, joined together & fully renovated. Yes, Excellent location city center, so sorry I can't advise because I had no interest in looking elsewhere.

what approx is a single condotel unit renting for these days if u know?

The Chiang Rai Condotel single rooms (38sqm, end rooms a bit larger) I think are probably between 5 to 10K/mo depending on remodeling, floor & view. I say probably because recently I really have not paid close attention to that aspect.

Edited July 14Jul 14 by OneZero

9 hours ago, OneZero said:

Jingthing. It is absolutely NOT a problem. One cannot have 2 TM30 for different locations at the same time (as far as I know). Next time in Jomtien re-establish a TM30 in your passport for Jomtien (electric bill, ltr from condo, etc), & don't change TM30 thereafter. Long term condo rental is not like daily checking into a hotel ref TM30s. Ping ponging between 4 different cities has shown me it is not a problem to not change your TM30. Unless you use hotels within Thailand, only update TM30 if return from a trip outside Thailand.

GeographicReference

Just to clarify, I assume you understand that to do a 90 report in a certain location you need a TM30 for that location. Thank goodness that bureaucratic nonsense is not extended to vehicle tax/registration+ updates.

My comments are based upon the assumption you would keep your Jomtien condo, travel back & forth between Bkk & Jomtien, and do your 90-day reports in Jomtien. I think you can do TM30 same day immediately prior to 90 day - in years past I have done that in Jomtien if I remember correctly. Been away from the 90-day thing for a while now since I got the LTR 10-yr visa, (only report once a year).

Edited July 14Jul 14 by OneZero

Manila, jump a plane to islands nearby as well as Krabi. Better exchange rate at this point in time.

8 hours ago, pomchop said:

what approx is a single condotel unit renting for these days if u know?

Pomchop, wo quoting you I replied above.

On 7/14/2026 at 8:17 AM, OneZero said:

Just to clarify, I assume you understand that to do a 90 report in a certain location you need a TM30 for that location. Thank goodness that bureaucratic nonsense is not extended to vehicle tax/registration+ updates.

My comments are based upon the assumption you would keep your Jomtien condo, travel back & forth between Bkk & Jomtien, and do your 90-day reports in Jomtien. I think you can do TM30 same day immediately prior to 90 day - in years past I have done that in Jomtien if I remember correctly. Been away from the 90-day thing for a while now since I got the LTR 10-yr visa, (only report once a year).

The TM30 thing is a PITA but this is how I see as a possible way to manage renting an apartment in Bangkok while keeping the Jomtien condo before deciding to sell the condo or not. No I wouldn't be interested in being a landlord myself.

Not sure this would work but here goes.

It is true you can't have two primary residences. If you have more than one, you need to pick one.

OK, for condo owners in Jomtien the current rule as I understand it is that you don't need to even file a new TM30 in Jomtien for "temporary" stays in Thailand when you return to Jomtien. I guess they mean hotels and AIRBNBs etc. but couldn't the same rule apply? Of course I have a current long standing TM30 for my owned Jomtien condo.

So, in this scenarto I would consider Jomtien my primary residence, do my 90 day address reports based on there, and continue to do annual extensions at Jomtien.

Renting an apartment. Here's a tricky part.

The landlord may or may not file a TM30 on me but it's highly unlikely they would filr them each time I arrive (as the plan would be to go back and forth).

Given the Jomtien tule for condo owner TM30s would this be different or not to if a hotel filed TM30s? Hotels generally do. Landlords may not unless pressured.

As implied before it might be better to rent from a landlord who doesn't know about TM30s or if they know, doesn't want to bother with them.

Of course they still might file them, but this plan in theory should work even if they do, as Jomtien is the primary residence.

This assumes Jomtien doesn't even want a new TM30 filing on each back and forth return from Bangkok. Of course I'm not sure about that part if they would see an apartment TM30 different than a hotel?

Maybe hopefully "worse case" is doing extension applications as early as possible using the long standing Jomtien TM30 and then if pushed back, do a new one for Jomtien, maybe owing a fine?

This shouldn't be so hard, huh?

In my view, probably the best reason for an older expat to move to Bangkok is health care.

As said before, I see Pattaya as having two levels, obscenely greedy private hospitals and government options which most expats can't realistically deal with.

Yes that is a big exaggeration, but I think there is truth there.

Go to Bangkok and the choices including on price level expand dramatically.

Plus you get all the specialists. clearly the best health care in Thailand and some of the best in the world.

You need eye surgery? Rutnin. Pattaya has no Rutnin and sorry managing things like that from Pattaya is quite inconvenient.

You want Bumrungrad? You can have it if you afford it and/or your insurance covers it.

If NOT, you have still very good, better priced options in Bangkok that simply don't exist in Pattaya.

Bottom line, living in Bangkok for health care access MIGHT both save your life and save your life savings. No guarantees of course, but I think clearly better odds.

This articles details some of those choices.

www.bkkscene.com/best-hospitals-bangkok/

In Safe Hands

Bangkok's best hospitals for expats · where to go & how it works

Edited July 16Jul 16 by Jingthing

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

In my view, probably the best reason for an older expat to move to Bangkok is health care.

As said before, I see Pattaya as having two levels, obscenely greedy private hospitals and government options which most expats can't realistically deal with.

Beaches& Islands

Yes that is a big exaggeration, but I think there is truth there.

Go to Bangkok and the choices including on price level expand dramatically.

Plus you get all the specialists. clearly the best health care in Thailand and some of the best in the world.

You need eye surgery? Rutnin. Pattaya has no Rutnin and sorry managing things like that from Pattaya is quite inconvenient.

You want Bumrungrad? You can have it if you afford it and/or your insurance covers it.

If NOT, you have still very good, better priced options in Bangkok that simply don't exist in Pattaya.

Bottom line, living in Bangkok for health care access MIGHT both save your life and save your life savings. No guarantees of course, but I think clearly better odds.

This articles details some of those choices.

www.bkkscene.com/best-hospitals-bangkok/

In Safe Hands

Bangkok's best hospitals for expats · where to go & how it works

Jingthing, don't sweat the TM30 business if someone in BKK (owner or agent) insists on doing one at beginning of a rental. Just do as I said a couple of posts up: switching back to a Jomtien TM30 and no more changes thereafter. Nobody at immigration is going to query or investigate wrong doing.

Ref hospitals from my experience living at Lumpini Park View Condo (LPVC):

There happen to be several close & convenient to LPVC on Rama IV Rd Blue Line (MRT at LPVC front door; Med Park & Chulalongkorn) and other hospitals not far (Bangkok Nursing Home on Convent Rd & St Louis down Sathorn) so Bumrunggrad is not mandatory. Also, a few hundred meters from LPVC near Lumpini Tower (business offices) is a large clinic with various specialties for things you may not want to bother with going to a hospital.

I'm not pushing LPVC, just relaying to you my knowledge of that area.

Edited July 16Jul 16 by OneZero

2 minutes ago, OneZero said:

Jingthing, don't sweat the TM30 business if someone in BKK (owner or agent) insists on doing one at beginning of a rental. Just do as I said a couple of posts up: switching back to a Jomtien TM30 and no more changes thereafter. Nobody at immigration is going to query or investigate wrong doing.

Ref hospitals from my experience living at Lumpini Park View Condo (LPVC):

There happen to be several close & convenient to LPVC on Rama IV Rd Blue Line at byour front door (Med Park & Chulalongkorn) and other hospitals not far (Bangkok Nursing Home on Convent Rd & St Louis down Sathorn) so Bumrunggrad is not mandatory. Also, a few hundred meters from LPVC near Lumpini Tower (business offices) is a large clinic with various specialties for things you may not want to bother with going to a hospital.

I'm not pushing LPVC, just relaying to you my knowledge of that area.

Thanks for that.

Here's where I don't get what you're saying.

Jomtien condo owners don't need to file a new TM30 in Jomtien for travel within Thailand and returning.

Because of that I don't see why I would file a new Jomtien TM30 just because a landlord in Bangkok filed one.

Just now, Jingthing said:

Thanks for that.

Here's where I don't get what you're saying.

Jomtien condo owners don't need to file a new TM30 in Jomtien for travel within Thailand and returning.

Because of that I don't see why I would file a new Jomtien TM30 just because a landlord in Bangkok filed one.

An immigration location will refuse to do 90 day report unless you have a TM30 for that location. So simply get a TM30 for that location first (easy - electric, bill, ltr fro your condo as proof of residence). See my posts about that above.

BTW, Just 2 of many hospitals near LPVC, & both of these 2 are on Rama iv Rd Blue Line:

About MedPark

About MedPark

4 minutes ago, OneZero said:

An immigration location will refuse to do 90 day report unless you have a TM30 for that location. So simply get a TM30 for that location first (easy - electric, bill, ltr fro your condo as proof of residence). See my posts about that above.

BTW, Just 2 of many hospitals near LPVC, & both of these 2 are on Rama iv Rd Blue Line:

About MedPark

About MedPark

Yes of course as I've said I HAVE a TM30 for my owned condo.

There is never a need to file a new one if travelling in Thailand.

What I don't know is if I would need a new one or not if I rented an apartment elsewhere.

I'm sold on the health care options in Bangkok.

As the previous link I posted about choosing a neighborhood indicates your choice may be closely related to your neighborhood.

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes of course as I've said I HAVE a TM30 for my owned condo.

There is never a need to file a new one if travelling in Thailand.

Thailandvisa services

What I don't know is if I would need a new one or not if I rented an apartment elsewhere.

I'm sold on the health care options in Bangkok.

As the previous link I posted about choosing a neighborhood indicates your choice may be closely related to your neighborhood.

Jingthing, you were worried about an owner agent in BKK insisting on notifying immigration writing a TM30 for BKK (so I gave you a solution for that). If they don't do a BKK TM30 no other TM30 attention needed is needed, the Jomtien TM30 still stands.

As stated before, you cannot have more than one TM30 at a time.

Edited July 16Jul 16 by OneZero

On 7/13/2026 at 12:54 PM, SiSePuede419 said:

46 deaths per 100,000 people?

Better odds than a car 1 out of 100 lifetime risk of death

It helps to understand statistics are about relative risk.

"Freakonomics" it's a book about this very subject. ✅

Pollution gives you respiratory health problems, but the damage goes much further. Long-term exposure to PM2.5 is linked to heart disease, stroke, chronic lung disease, lung cancer, and premature death. In 2016, more than 33,000 deaths in Thailand were estimated to be attributable to outdoor air pollution. It is the miserable slow death it provides you, not the instant death.

A good read

https://www.who.int/thailand/news/detail/08-06-2022-the-cost-of-clean-air-in-thailand

17 minutes ago, OneZero said:

Jingthing, you were worried about an owner agent in BKK insisting on notifying immigration writing a TM30 for BKK (so I gave you a solution for that). If they don't do a BKK TM30 no other TM30 attention needed is needed, the Jomtien TM30 still stands.

As stated before, you cannot have more than one TM30 at a time.

I hear you but as I've explained that isn't necessarily the case in my situation.

You can't have two primary residences, correct.

But if you own a condo in Jomtien and have an existing TM30 for that, you could stay in hotels for months within Thailand where they are always filing TM30s and when you return to Jomtien you are NOT required to file a new TM30 for Jomtien.

That's where I'm confused.

Just now, Jingthing said:

I hear you but as I've explained that isn't necessarily the case in my situation.

You can't have two primary residences, correct.

But if you own a condo in Jomtien and have an existing TM30 for that, you could stay in hotels for months within Thailand where they are always filing TM30s and when you return to Jomtien you are NOT required to file a new TM30 for Jomtien.

That's where I'm confused.

...and when you return to Jomtien the computer will show you have a TM30 from another location (irrespective of the old Jomtien TM30 perhaps still stapled in your passport). Jomtien will refuse to do your 90 day report in Jomtien until the computer shows that you have updated to a new Jomtien TM30.

Edited July 16Jul 16 by OneZero

4 minutes ago, OneZero said:

...and when you return to Jomtien the computer will show you have a TM30 from another location (irrespective of the old Jomtien TM30 perhaps still stapled in your passport). Jomtien will refuse to do your 90 day report in Jomtien until the computer shows that you have updated to a new Jomtien TM30.

Again, Jomtien doesn't even want a new TM30 if you're returning to an owned condo after hotel visits in Thailand (they all do TM30s).

So the question is if a rented apartment would be treated the same way.

Another idea.

ASK the TM30 desk about this.

But I would assume they then would probably say file a new TM30 every time I return to Jomtien whether that apartment filed a new one or not. So probably not a great idea to ask them.

Your suggestion might work. File a new one once assuming landlords won't be filing a new one every time I show up in Bangkok.

Edited July 16Jul 16 by Jingthing

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Again, Jomtien doesn't even want a new TM30 if you're returning to an owned condo after hotel visits in Thailand (they all do TM30s).

So the question is if a rented apartment would be treated the same way.

Another idea.

ASK the TM30 desk about this.

But I would assume they then would probably say file a new TM30 every time I return to Jomtien whether that apartment filed a new one or not. So probably not a great idea to ask them.

Your suggestion might work. File a new one once assuming landlords won't be filing a new one every time I show up in Bangkok.

How many times do I have to tell you: Only Only Only if a Bkk agent /owner themselves insists on doing a computer TM30 (as hotels do) would you need to do a new Jomtien TM30 later in your passport (because now the immigration computers have changed your residence, & upon your return to Jomtien immigration their computer will reflect that Bkk update showing you registered in BKK, irrespective of whether or not the OLD Jomtien TM30 may still be stapled to your passport - it has been canceled). After you update again in Jomtien you can do 90 day in Jomtien & thereafter nobody knows or cares where you may be sleeping.

Wow, Perhaps I am not explaining myself well.

2 minutes ago, OneZero said:

How many times do I have to tell you: Only Only Only if a Bkk agent /owner themselves insists on doing a computer TM30 (as hotels do) would you need to do a new Jomtien TM30 later in your passport (because now the immigration computers have changed your residence, & upon your return to Jomtien immigration their computer will reflect that Bkk update showing you registered in BKK, irrespective of whether or not the OLD Jomtien TM30 may still be stapled to your passport - it has been canceled). After you update again in Jomtien you can do 90 day in Jomtien & thereafter nobody knows or cares where you may be sleeping.

Wow, Perhaps I am not explaining myself well.

Well it sounds like you're sayiing that Jomtien would regard a TM30 from an apartment lease as a move to a new residence while not seeing a TM30 from a hotel that way.

That was really my question.

As far as landlords in Bangkok, how will I really know if they're filing TM30s or not unless they tell they have and give me a receipt?

Normally moving to new residence you would very much want them to comply with TM30. Indeed if you're really moving you should clarify all that before a lease.

It's my understanding that in many cases tenants are doing the filings for themselves when the landlord isn't willing, but is willing to give the needed information so the tenant can file.

You've been telling me this is a simple situation and not a concern, but unfortunately I don't see it that way.

Quote: "Well it sounds like you're sayiing that Jomtien would regard a TM30 from an apartment lease as a move to a new residence while not seeing a TM30 from a hotel that way."

No, that is not at all what I'm saying. Whoever may file a TM30 in the computer, its the same. The new information is now registered in the computer until you or someone else change it again.

I give up.

1 minute ago, OneZero said:

Quote: "Well it sounds like you're sayiing that Jomtien would regard a TM30 from an apartment lease as a move to a new residence while not seeing a TM30 from a hotel that way."

Beaches& Islands

No, that is not at all what I'm saying. Whoever may file a TM30 in the computer, its the same. The new information is now registered in the computer until you or someone else change it again.

I give up.

1 minute ago, OneZero said:

Quote: "Well it sounds like you're sayiing that Jomtien would regard a TM30 from an apartment lease as a move to a new residence while not seeing a TM30 from a hotel that way."

Beaches& Islands

No, that is not at all what I'm saying. Whoever may file a TM30 in the computer, its the same. The new information is now registered in the computer until you or someone else change it again.

I give up.

OK, give up.
I appreciate your efforts trying.

For some reason what you're not hearing from me is that Jomtien does NOT want new TM30s from owner residents of condos after they travel within Thailand.'

If a person is going to back and forth to an apartment in Bangkok, that is also returning to the condo after traveling in Thailand.

I hear what you're saying about the system but it contradicts their policy for owners of condos living in that condo.

16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

OK, give up.
I appreciate your efforts trying.

For some reason what you're not hearing from me is that Jomtien does NOT want new TM30s from owner residents of condos after they travel within Thailand.'

If a person is going to back and forth to an apartment in Bangkok, that is also returning to the condo after traveling in Thailand.

I hear what you're saying about the system but it contradicts their policy for owners of condos living in that condo.

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

OK, give up.
I appreciate your efforts trying.

For some reason what you're not hearing from me is that Jomtien does NOT want new TM30s from owner residents of condos after they travel within Thailand.'

If a person is going to back and forth to an apartment in Bangkok, that is also returning to the condo after traveling in Thailand.

I hear what you're saying about the system but it contradicts their policy for owners of condos living in that condo.

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

OK, give up.
I appreciate your efforts trying.

For some reason what you're not hearing from me is that Jomtien does NOT want new TM30s from owner residents of condos after they travel within Thailand.'

If a person is going to back and forth to an apartment in Bangkok, that is also returning to the condo after traveling in Thailand.

I hear what you're saying about the system but it contradicts their policy for owners of condos living in that condo

20 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

OK, give up.
I appreciate your efforts trying.

For some reason what you're not hearing from me is that Jomtien does NOT want new TM30s from owner residents of condos after they travel within Thailand.'

If a person is going to back and forth to an apartment in Bangkok, that is also returning to the condo after traveling in Thailand.

I hear what you're saying about the system but it contradicts their policy for owners of condos living in that condo.

Your statement is true Only Only Only Only Only (should I repeat it again?) if you or someone else has NOT filed via computer a new TM30 for you elswhere (because that new computer filing automatically cancels your old Jomtien TM30, irrespective of whether or not you're still hanging on to the Old now canceled paper TM30 in your passport).