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Edited July 19Jul 19 by candide

1 hour ago, riclag said:

The* "deep state" is back in the headlines , alleged intelligence suppression. In the latest NewsNation segment with Catherine Herridge, newly released documents and emails from 2020 reportedly show officials "massaging"( a new word for manipulating) the President's Daily Brief to downplay China's massive multi domain influence operation targeting U.S. voter data.

Emails suggest election intel on China was suppressed

*"The large-scale cuts that President Donald Trump’s acting director of national intelligence had been considering imposing at his own office started on Monday, a source familiar with the matter told CNN".

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/06/22/politics/odni-firings-underway-bill-pulte

From the article linked:

Several political appointees who were considered close to the prior director Tulsi Gabbard were among the first to be fired, multiple sources told CNN.

In other words, a MAGA sacking MAGAs, probably over personal allegiance matter! 🤣

'Numbers & Facts Don’t Lie' — Tillis EXPOSES Vought with DOGE BOMBSHELL

Last Thursday, Republican Senator Thom Tillis grilled Russ Vought over DOGE, exposing it as a scheme that misused taxpayer funds, lacked accountability, and failed to deliver any public benefit.

Edited July 19Jul 19 by LosLobo

On 7/17/2026 at 11:40 PM, riclag said:

"Numbers & Facts don't lie" ,

But they can be manipulated... especially by people who know they

are going to lose bigley in November.

regards worgeordie

On 7/18/2026 at 12:52 PM, Peabody said:

Let's just agree with him and say he won 2020.

He wants a do over. It's something you can actually demand....

On the playground.

When you're a third grader 😀

Tail of Two Justice Departments / Two Narratives:

• 2017 thru 2019 (Mueller era / first Trump admin + Biden transition): Heavy focus on Russia. The report and related investigations emphasized Russian social media campaigns, GRU hacking, and contacts. China was largely sidelined in public assessments during this period.

• Trump’s second administration (2025 thru 2026): Officials (including recent declassifications) have highlighted Chinese election interference, especially around 2020 , voter data access (hundreds of millions of records), influence operations, and alleged suppression of that intelligence by parts of the IC.

The contrasting of two narratives ,not once was China mentioned in Mueller's report. The Mueller Report became the dominant public narrative for years, while information on China’s activities (per recent releases) was reportedly downplayed or not emphasized at the time.

https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/dl?inline=

Of course, it works with MAGAs. 😀

10 hours ago, LosLobo said:

Throughout your post, you repeatedly ask for evidence, but ironically your own conclusion relies on an assumption rather than demonstrated evidence.

'If there were actual evidence that he committed crimes against children, the DOJ and the FBI under the Biden administration had four years to investigate and bring charges.'

That’s a non sequitur. If you’re relying on 'no charges' to prove 'no evidence', the burden is on you to show that those allegations were actually investigated and found insufficient to prosecute.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I’m interested in evidence too, not political narratives.

That doesn't make any sense.

You're basically saying there doesn't have to be evidence to accuse someone, and the fact that no charges were filed somehow isn't relevant.

I'm not claiming, "No charges = innocent." I'm saying if you're going to call someone a pedophile, the burden is on you to produce evidence. That's how accusations work.

You said, "absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence." That's true in a philosophical sense, but it's not how our legal system works. We don't assume someone committed a crime unless they can prove they didn't. We require evidence before making the accusation in the first place.

Trump has been investigated more than just about any politician in U.S. history. If you have evidence he committed crimes against children, present it. If you don't, then calling him a pedophile is just speculation, not fact. You keep asking me to prove a negative. That's impossible. The person making the accusation has to provide the evidence, not the person denying it.

10 hours ago, LosLobo said:

Throughout your post, you repeatedly ask for evidence, but ironically your own conclusion relies on an assumption rather than demonstrated evidence.

'If there were actual evidence that he committed crimes against children, the DOJ and the FBI under the Biden administration had four years to investigate and bring charges.'

That’s a non sequitur. If you’re relying on 'no charges' to prove 'no evidence', the burden is on you to show that those allegations were actually investigated and found insufficient to prosecute.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I’m interested in evidence too, not political narratives.

That doesn't make any sense.

You're basically saying there doesn't have to be evidence to accuse someone, and the fact that no charges were filed somehow isn't relevant.

I'm not claiming, "No charges = innocent." I'm saying if you're going to call someone a pedophile, the burden is on you to produce evidence. That's how accusations work.

You said, "absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence." That's true in a philosophical sense, but it's not how our legal system works. We don't assume someone committed a crime unless they can prove they didn't. We require evidence before making the accusation in the first place.

Trump has been investigated more than just about any politician in U.S. history. If you have evidence he committed crimes against children, present it. If you don't, then calling him a pedophile is just speculation, not fact. You keep asking me to prove a negative. That's impossible. The person making the accusation has to provide the evidence, not the person denying it.

17 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

I won't read any of your tripe past that 2nd sentence "Trump is in his 80s and has been one of the most scrutinized people in America for decades."

He is one of the most secretive, protected people (he won't release college transcripts, tax returns, etc.) with a mountain of evidence proving his close relationship with one of the most evil pedo's in the world - and don't forget how he pardoned the notorious Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht, a global pedo/murder for hire/drug dealer. If not for spineless Republican sycophants in power and his insane followers who are happy to do violence on his behalf, he would have been in jail decades ago.

You really shouldn't go there. You should slither back under your rock for supporting such a truly base, malevolent scumbag.

You lost me when you started with the insults instead of facts.

A few corrections:

Trump did eventually have his tax returns released, even if it wasn't voluntarily. As for his college transcripts, not releasing them doesn't prove someone is a criminal.

You also say there's a "mountain of evidence" tying Trump to Epstein. Being photographed with someone or knowing them socially isn't evidence of committing child sex crimes.

If you have evidence of that, post it.

Then you call Ross Ulbricht a "global pedo." That's simply false. He was convicted for operating the Silk Road marketplace. He was not convicted of child sex crimes or murder-for-hire.

This is exactly why I verify claims before I repeat them. Too many people throw around accusations and hope no one checks.

If you've got evidence that Trump committed crimes against children, post it. If not, then we're back to opinions and assumptions—not facts just insults.

9 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Pedo is an overused and inaccurate term, with Trump it's likely he's a serial statutory rapist, but not a pedo.

He's likely had forced sex with multiple women who were underaged, but that's not the same as being a pedo.

So once again, we're back to "likely," "I believe," and speculation.

Those aren't facts. They're opinions.

If someone has evidence that Trump committed statutory rape or any other crime, then present the evidence and let prosecutors bring charges. That's how our justice system is supposed to work. But saying "he's likely a serial statutory rapist" without backing it up isn't evidence it's just another accusation.

I don't convict people because someone on the internet says they "probably" did something. I want evidence, whether it's Trump, Biden, Clinton, or anyone else.

I post a thread with Mullin saying "numbers & facts don't lie", low & behold another thread immediately hijacked by the international left because they can't handle the actual numbers. Instead of addressing the official DHS data, the response immediately pivoted to emotional deflections.

Classic textbook deflection. When presented with official DHS cross check data, the immediate response is to completely dodge the numbers, launch into emotional ad hominem attacks, and use extreme language. It's a total evasion because addressing the actual data is impossible.

On 7/18/2026 at 8:29 AM, BLMFem said:

For treason, Archie. For treason. Filthy, disgusting treason for which only one punishment fits the crime. And did I mention that there are sworn affidavits from several victims saying he raped them when they were minors? And Archie, did you know he just paid more than $5 million to a woman because he's an adjudicated rapist. Did you know all this, Archie?

A sworn affidavit holds little value. I can create a sworn affidavit about you regarding anything I choose. What truly matters is whether it can be proven in a court of law. A civil court outcome carries limited significance.

On 7/17/2026 at 6:20 PM, HappyExpat57 said:

AseanNow forum rule number #5:

"You will not use ASEAN NOW to post any material which is knowingly or can be reasonably construed as false, inaccurate, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of any law. Topics or posts deemed to be scaremongering, deliberately misleading or which deliberately distort information will be removed. In factual areas such as news forums and current affairs topics member content that is claimed or portrayed as a fact should be supported by a link to a relevant reputable source."

How is this post allowed in breach of clear instructions?

What was incorrect about the post?

On 7/18/2026 at 4:45 AM, BLMFem said:

End of story.

Is this the person who sold his kid's toys for drug money? Booklyand dad claimed that the Russians influenced the elections in 2016, but suddenly he asserts that no foreign power did so in the elections after 2016. Did you know that a majority of Democrats believe the Russians hacked the vote count in 2016?

Numbers & facts don't lie. Facts the international leftist choose to ignore.

While some people desperately want to change the subject, the actual, documented news on election integrity keeps coming out. Declassified documents now show that the FBI actively blocked a probe into alleged Chinese election meddling in 2020 because it would contradict Director Wray.

The facts are right here in the reporting. If anyone wants to dispute the reporting, take it up with a declassified documents expert,otherwise, the facts stand.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-blocked-probe-alleged-chinese-2020-election-meddling-protect-wray-from-fallout-documents-show

Edited July 19Jul 19 by riclag

55 minutes ago, ericthai said:

That doesn't make any sense.

You're basically saying there doesn't have to be evidence to accuse someone, and the fact that no charges were filed somehow isn't relevant.

I'm not claiming, "No charges = innocent." I'm saying if you're going to call someone a pedophile, the burden is on you to produce evidence. That's how accusations work.

You said, "absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence." That's true in a philosophical sense, but it's not how our legal system works. We don't assume someone committed a crime unless they can prove they didn't. We require evidence before making the accusation in the first place.

Trump has been investigated more than just about any politician in U.S. history. If you have evidence he committed crimes against children, present it. If you don't, then calling him a pedophile is just speculation, not fact. You keep asking me to prove a negative. That's impossible. The person making the accusation has to provide the evidence, not the person denying it.

Nice try — classic strawman, moving goalposts, and a failure to address the actual premise.

I suggest you come back when you’re able to engage with the argument that I actually made.

Edited July 19Jul 19 by LosLobo

1 hour ago, ericthai said:

That doesn't make any sense.

You're basically saying there doesn't have to be evidence to accuse someone, and the fact that no charges were filed somehow isn't relevant.

I'm not claiming, "No charges = innocent." I'm saying if you're going to call someone a pedophile, the burden is on you to produce evidence. That's how accusations work.

You said, "absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence." That's true in a philosophical sense, but it's not how our legal system works. We don't assume someone committed a crime unless they can prove they didn't. We require evidence before making the accusation in the first place.

Trump has been investigated more than just about any politician in U.S. history. If you have evidence he committed crimes against children, present it. If you don't, then calling him a pedophile is just speculation, not fact. You keep asking me to prove a negative. That's impossible. The person making the accusation has to provide the evidence, not the person denying it.

Trump has offered opportunities to investigate him on a silver trail. No need for the DOJ to search a lot. The DOJ did not need to do an extensive search to identify matters to investigate. This is pure fantasy.

• January 6. Find me 11 700 votes, fake electors slate: it would have been pure negligence not to investigate him

• MAL documents: Trump refused to give back Presidential records so NARA, after 9 months, asked the DOJ to intervene.

• Payment to Stormy: mentioned by Cohen during his 2018 federal guilty plea, and 2019 congressional hearings. It would also have been negligence not to investigate.

Wrays reporting at a oversight hearing ,During his sworn Senate testimony, FBI Director Christopher Wray stated that the bureau had not seen any historical evidence of a widespread, coordinated national voter fraud effort in a major election, whether by mail or otherwise.

Numbers & facts don't lie.

While some people desperately want to change the subject, the actual, documented evidence on election integrity keeps coming out. Declassified internal documents show that the FBI actively blocked an Intelligence Information Report (IIR) into foreign election meddling in 2020 because it would contradict Director Wray's public statements.

"Although the source was reengaged and provided additional context to support the initial IIR, FBI Headquarters maintained its position not to republish the report," Assistant FBI Director Marshall Yates wrote in a letter to Grassley, obtained by Fox News Digital. "One reason cited for not releasing the IIR was because ‘the reporting will contradict Director Wray’s testimony.’"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-blocked-probe-alleged-chinese-2020-election-meddling-protect-wray-from-fallout-documents-show

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/imo/media/doc/Testimony-Wray-2020-09-24.pdf

On 7/18/2026 at 7:37 AM, JimHuaHin said:

Lies, damn lies, statistics , TAT's random number generator and Trump's imagination.

One of the unsung benefits of Trumps campaign of "statistical evidence" is that here in Thailand TAT have rather given up, perhaps realising that they are totally outclassed?

On 7/18/2026 at 7:50 PM, TedG said:

What exactly was the nature of this interference? I have never seen any real examples.

you just missed the investigation is all and it proved IAW the investigator of that collusion. Reported too many times for you I guess you just turned a blind eye to it.

It's quite clear from scrolling through this that MAGAs have absolutely no clue how intelligence works.

The intel community gets endless material from everything including recruited foreign assets, liaison services, open news sources, and even call-ins from people who claim to know something. Any bit of intel is assessed and then corroboration from secondary sources or methods is sought. Assertions are not instantly accepted as fact.

For example, one could ask all 100,000 attendees to the Rose Bowl game "Did an alien spacecraft land on the field and abduct the UCLA quarterback?" 99,999 people would laugh., Perhaps one would say, "You saw that, too?"

That one person's assertion would not be taken seriously, partly because it's ridiculous, and partly because there is no corroboration. Sadly, Trump's style would be to take that silly assertion and---like in his lie-filled speech last Thursday---state it as fact.

OTOH, when various reports surface that Trump's 2016 campaign manager Paul Manafort was alleged to have traveled to Spain and handed detailed internal polling data to GRU asset Konstantin Kilimnik, that fact was corroborated in multiple ways---from airline flight records of both men, to liaison reports from Spanish intel, to phone intercepts, to intel from clandestine assets. Confronted with all that data, Manafort admitted what he did on behalf of the Trump campaign. Of course Trump pardoned him for a number of crimes for which Manafort was convicted, since Trump lies about his campaign's willing cooperation with Russia in 2016, when even the Marco Rubio-led SSCI Report on the 2016 election noted several instances of willful cooperation by Trump's campaign and Russia..

The matter of China's "interference" in 2016 or 2020---as opposed to Russia's clear efforts to interfere plus the Trump campaign's willing cooperation with Russian assets---was minimal. There was never any indication of "bamboo" in ballots cast in Arizona in 2016, though it was asserted. China may have purchased voter records, as these are available for purchase by anyone, but China is also known to collect all possible data on Americans who might be targets of espionage operations (such as working on vital technology or classified military programs). That is no smoking gun. Since there was no corroboration of Chinese attempts to influence the 2016 election, nothing was produced as an intelligence report. The FBI has looked at it, the CIA had looked at it, Congress had looked at it, AG Barr had looked at it, Durham had looked at it.....and there was nothing.

What Trump's latest lackey---little Bill Pulte---is doing is taking reports from those years and cherrypicking sentences out of context, in fact, leaving out the discrediting of assertions altogether. Not so surprisingly, Pulte did not look into the hard intelligence of willful cooperation between the 2016 Trump campaign and Russia, nor has he included any of the confirmed and corroborated intelligence from 2020 that Russia was again working to influence the election in Trump's favor.

Edited July 20Jul 20 by Wingate

16 hours ago, temuFarang said:

Is this the person who sold his kid's toys for drug money? Booklyand dad claimed that the Russians influenced the elections in 2016, but suddenly he asserts that no foreign power did so in the elections after 2016. Did you know that a majority of Democrats believe the Russians hacked the vote count in 2016?

What I do know is that you're making a lot of claims without backing any of them up with links to credible sources, so I'll just regard your post accordingly, okay?

On 7/18/2026 at 10:27 AM, LosLobo said:

Numbers don’t lie — but unverified numbers aren’t facts.
The 250,000 figure is a preliminary, unverified estimate—not an established fact.
DHS has not released the underlying methodology or data for independent verification. There is no public evidence that the individuals identified were confirmed to be illegally registered, or that they voted illegally—or voted at all. Until the claim of 250,000 is independently verified, presenting it as an established fact is disingenuous.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2026/jul/17/Mullin-dhs-250000-noncitizen-voters-Trump/

I believe they used the DOGE methodology and database to arrive at opinions of statistical data rather than verified facts.

34 minutes ago, Dan O said:

I believe they used the DOGE methodology and database to arrive at opinions of statistical data rather than verified facts.

Over 20 million records of people over age 100, some even showing ages of 200 or more, were presented to Trump and DOGE as potential indicators of fraud or improper payments.

However, the reason those extreme ages appeared in the database was mostly because Social Security records contained outdated, incomplete, or erroneous data fields.

Raw data is not automatically information. Data requires validation, context, methodology, and verification before conclusions can be drawn from it.

Edited July 20Jul 20 by LosLobo

18 hours ago, riclag said:

Numbers & facts don't lie. Facts the international leftist choose to ignore.

While some people desperately want to change the subject, the actual, documented news on election integrity keeps coming out. Declassified documents now show that the FBI actively blocked a probe into alleged Chinese election meddling in 2020 because it would contradict Director Wray.

The facts are right here in the reporting. If anyone wants to dispute the reporting, take it up with a declassified documents expert,otherwise, the facts stand.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-blocked-probe-alleged-chinese-2020-election-meddling-protect-wray-from-fallout-documents-show

On the bright side, the released documents confirmed Russia's interference! 😃

Card #10. There's one for each riclag's thread! 😂

News from wayback. Facts don't lie.

A Dem senator stated once, "These problems threaten the integrity of our elections and demonstrate the importance of election systems that are strong, durable, and not vulnerable to attack."

This admission lines up directly with the documented issues raised in the thread massive foreign access to U.S. voter data, suppressed intelligence warnings, and vulnerabilities that allowed potential manipulation.

Even voices on the left were acknowledging what numbers and facts have shown for years: America’s election infrastructure has serious weaknesses that demand serious fixes, not denial.

And please don't dismiss the News agency's ability to quote Sen Amy K. & others .

https://alphanews.org/in-letter-to-dominion-investor-klobuchar-said-issues-with-voting-machines-threaten-integrity-of-elections/

Edited July 20Jul 20 by riclag

16 minutes ago, riclag said:

News from wayback. Facts don't lie.

A Dem senator stated once, "These problems threaten the integrity of our elections and demonstrate the importance of election systems that are strong, durable, and not vulnerable to attack."

This admission lines up directly with the documented issues raised in the thread massive foreign access to U.S. voter data, suppressed intelligence warnings, and vulnerabilities that allowed potential manipulation.

Even voices on the left were acknowledging what numbers and facts have shown for years: America’s election infrastructure has serious weaknesses that demand serious fixes, not denial.

And please don't dismiss the News agency's ability to quote Sen Amy K. & others .

https://alphanews.org/in-letter-to-dominion-investor-klobuchar-said-issues-with-voting-machines-threaten-integrity-of-elections/

Another lame attempt at substantiating Trump's lies, despite the absence of any evidence of massive voter fraud in 2020! 😃

Scale: China accessed or obtained data on over 220 million U.S. voter records (names, addresses, DOB, phone numbers, party affiliation, voting history). This was highlighted in recent 2026 declassifications.