DSA has a major flaw in their version of the future. More than half of US Congress are millionairs. Good luck getting the to vote themselves into poverty ...

... "AI Overview

More than half—roughly 50% to 60%—of all members of the U.S. Congress are millionaires. Analyses of congressional financial disclosure data by groups like OpenSecrets show that the median net worth for a lawmaker sits well close to or above $1 million, making them significantly wealthier than the typical American household." ...

DSA's vision of future tax code ... good luck with that one.

Here's you go, you now work for $.30 cent on your $1 ... thanks for your contribution.

Edited Tuesday at 04:45 PM1 day by KhunLA

I was thinking (it happens), what if all the billionaires, got together and paid of the national debt. Except ... they would barely put a dent in it, and the next administration, would simply add that much to it.

5 hours ago, Hummin said:

I have no high hopes. Anything and everything works as long as there is strong economic growth. When a country is bankrupt, nothing really works. Still, something in the middle could be beneficial. Corruption remains every country’s biggest enemy because it drains valuable funds and resources.

Esp institutional corruption. Most countries which call themselves democratic have corruption, too. They're just better at hiding it. In the US, you don't even have to hide it!

4 hours ago, mfd101 said:

It all depends on what you call 'socialism' and how you integrate it with a capitalist economy, as is done without too much difficulty in all European countries and in Oz & NZ and increasingly many other countries.

Usofa's problem is that the population has been taught that ANY social improvement program is really MARXIST Oh No! and incompatible with FREEDOM Oh no!. Childish nonsense.

Blaming Cuba’s entire history on Marxism is quite ignorant. Castro did not begin as a Soviet puppet. Cuba tried to take control of its own country and resources after years of American influence. The USA responded with economic pressure, attempts to overthrow Castro, around eight documented CIA assassination plots, and eventually the embargo, pushing Cuba into dependence on the Soviet Union.

Cuba and Iran are not the same story, but the pattern is similar. Both tried to regain control of their country and resources after foreign interference. The coup succeeded in Iran but failed in Cuba. Iran later became an Islamic dictatorship, while Cuba became a communist dictatorship. Different systems, but much of the same foreign interference behind the history.

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

I did, and I wasn't even rich. BUT, had more than enough, as they all do already. Take away their desire to produce, and they'll do the same as me, liquidate & leave, or stay. But no longer produce, buy / sell, employ, get taxed, just chill and enjoy.

They don't produce, less taxes. They don't employ, less taxes, and less income to spend, and yea, less buyers = less taxes.

Many right now, are getting only 50-60 cents on every dollar earned. 37% fed tax + state income tax. (up to 12+). How long do you think they'll tolerate that, along with increases in the future.

How's that sound for a salary, will give you $50 an hour, but you can only take home $25 an hour.

Or better, I have an investment for you, you put up all the money, and for every $1 you make we'll give you $.50 cents back, if you make money. If you lose, well, you get nothing, along with losing your investment.

That's today. Next year we're changing the tax code, and you can no longer keep anything after your first million. Because half the earners, no long want to pay 3 or 4%. They are now the voting majority.

So keep up the good work, they appreciate it.

Sooner or later, you WILL run out of other people's money.

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

I did, and I wasn't even rich. BUT, had more than enough, as they all do already. Take away their desire to produce, and they'll do the same as me, liquidate & leave, or stay. But no longer produce, buy / sell, employ, get taxed, just chill and enjoy.

They don't produce, less taxes. They don't employ, less taxes, and less income to spend, and yea, less buyers = less taxes.

Many right now, are getting only 50-60 cents on every dollar earned. 37% fed tax + state income tax. (up to 12+). How long do you think they'll tolerate that, along with increases in the future.

How's that sound for a salary, will give you $50 an hour, but you can only take home $25 an hour.

Or better, I have an investment for you, you put up all the money, and for every $1 you make we'll give you $.50 cents back, if you make money. If you lose, well, you get nothing, along with losing your investment.

That's today. Next year we're changing the tax code, and you can no longer keep anything after your first million. Because half the earners, no long want to pay 3 or 4%. They are now the voting majority.

So keep up the good work, they appreciate it.

Sooner or later, you WILL run out of other people's money.

Exactly describes my situation.

I’m from the U.K. and have my own business run from the U.K.

Take my income as a mix of salary and dividends. At set thresholds personal income tax jumps from 20% to 40% and dividend taxes jump from 10% to 35% (excluding other taxes like business tax and national insurance).

I enjoy my work and would do more but pace my year / stop working before hitting the higher thresholds so UK government gets 0% instead.

1 hour ago, Chalky0w said:

Take my income as a mix of salary and dividends. At set thresholds personal income tax jumps from 20% to 40% and dividend taxes jump from 10% to 35% (excluding other taxes like business tax and national insurance).

You can take pride in the fact that you are supporting those who do not produce.

re: Universal Healthcare

I've always suspected the Insurance Industry Mafia told Obama he would be assassinated if he put UH on the table.

America. 😲

1 minute ago, SiSePuede419 said:

re: Universal Healthcare

I've always suspected the Insurance Industry Mafia told Obama he would be assassinated if he put UH on the table.

America. 😲

Could you kindly share a source to support this claim? Your evidence would greatly enhance the discussion.

2 minutes ago, temuFarang said:

Could you kindly share a source to support this claim? Your evidence would greatly enhance the discussion.

Like you are not doing when you posted your opinion? 😂

You can take pride in the fact that you are supporting those who do not produce.

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Edited Tuesday at 08:54 PM1 day by SiSePuede419
Citations needed for thee, but not for me

Chat: Humans do have deep evolutionary roots in supporting non-producers—but it was conditional, community-based, and survival-driven.

Never mind the <deleted>, socialism is just being a human being. 😀

42 minutes ago, temuFarang said:

You can take pride in the fact that you are supporting those who do not produce.

Thanks!

UK is a basket case! Give £millions to people with ADHD, depression, anxiety and other conditions that can’t be proved

https://www.able2uk.com/news/disability-news/benefit-system/thousands-of-people-are-claiming-pip-because-they-have-adhd-or-anxiety

Happy to give a bit of support to people that get cancer, lose limbs, etc. but should be reserved for the most severe conditions not getting a bit nervous. My old man would have given me a kick up the arse and told me to get over it which is what most need!

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Edited yesterday at 12:18 AM1 day by save the frogs

3 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

re: Universal Healthcare

I've always suspected the Insurance Industry Mafia told Obama he would be assassinated if he put UH on the table.

America. 😲

But Universal Healthcare also gets abused.

People let themselves get obese and then expect the free healthcare to fix them.

And that causes insane taxes with millions of sick people.

You can't force people to take care of their health, I guess.

Not sure what the best solution would be.

Maybe we need an army of AI Doctors tracking people's health habits .... then gently nudging people into better habits ?

The "nagging" health system.

AI watch that nags you to get off the couch and go for a walk.

Edited yesterday at 12:24 AM1 day by save the frogs

23 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

But Universal Healthcare also gets abused.

People let themselves get obese and then expect the free healthcare to fix them.

And that causes insane taxes with millions of sick people.

Their rates should be tied to individuals' BMI. Those with a higher BMI should expect to pay more, reflecting the increased health risks associated with it.

3 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Like you are not doing when you posted your opinion? 😂

You can take pride in the fact that you are supporting those who do not produce.

[NEEDS CITATIONS]

https://www.able2uk.com/news/disability-news/benefit-system/thousands-of-people-are-claiming-pip-because-they-have-adhd-or-anxiety

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Edited yesterday at 01:02 AM1 day by save the frogs

15 minutes ago, temuFarang said:

Their rates should be tied to individuals' BMI. Those with a higher BMI should expect to pay more, reflecting the increased health risks associated with it.

Yes, probably some sort of system that ties one's habits to premiums might make sense.

With AI, it's doable.

I read China was asking people to track their daily step count and attached this to their health premiums.

We need to get rid of the for-profit sick care system and incentivize everyone to get healthier.

What about supplements? I am spending money on supplements which I believe enhance health and prevent disease. You have to pay out of pocket. I would prefer subsidies for supplements rather than "free" healthcare, which by the time you get to a hospital your health is pretty messed up in most cases.

On 7/28/2026 at 1:29 PM, unblocktheplanet said:

The Democratic Socialists of America believe that working people should run both the economy and society democratically to meet human needs rather than make profits for a few. They seek to replace capitalism with democratic socialism, advocating for core positions including: 

You decide if these few items would Make America Great…Again. Really.

• Universal Healthcare: Creating a single-payer, government-run "Medicare for All" system while eliminating private insurance. 
  

• Public Welfare & Housing: Providing completely free child care, pre-K, and public higher education, alongside universal rent control and publicly owned housing. 

• Labor Rights: Raising the minimum wage, strengthening labor unions, and instituting a 32-hour workweek without loss in pay. 
  

• Taxing the Wealthy: Funding public programs through substantially higher income taxes on wealthy individuals and corporations, paired with reductions in military spending. 
  

• Public Ownership: Transitioning major industries, energy systems, and utilities out of private hands into public or democratic control.

• Criminal Justice Reform: Resisting police budget expansions and reducing the scope of the American penal and policing systems.

If you think these are not good for America, to raise Americans’ standard of living, I’m calling you a Cheap Charlie.

DSA's platform calls for reforms such as a Green New Deal, single-payer healthcare, and tuition-free higher education, with a long-term aim of social ownership and democratic control of the American economy. 

DSA's foreign policy is non-interventionist, strongly supporting spending cuts and footprint reductions to the U.S. military while also supporting pro-Palestinian and anti-Zionist causes.

Muchael Harrington, founder of DSA called it "The left wing of the possible". Let's face it. Republicans and Democrats are the same. They both just want to maintain the status quo with worn out policies. Neither of them are willing to try anything new. Because what we have obviously isn't working. Americans have been sold a bill of goods that were never delivered.

DSA seeks to see America adopt the early humanistic, revolutionary sprit of Students for a Democratic Society in its Port Huron Statement, just as important in 2026 as it was in 1962.

DSA was particularly active in the South African anti-apartheid movement, linking struggles for social justice abroad to those at home. DSA is equally active in opposing Palestinian apartheid as US foreign policy.

DSA calls for a humane social order based on democratic planning and market mechanisms and for "economic democracy... from below, through a democratic transformation of the institutions of civil society”. Town meetings began in the early 1630s and relied on the adoption of consensus rather than voting. Isn’t it time we fired up participatory democracy so all Americans have a say?

DSA has 120,000 active members, 220 local chapters nationwiwide and 250 elected to public office, proving mega PAC funding is not the only way to win elections. The yeast is rising.

It also founded the Prison Moratorium Project in 1997 to oppose mass incarceration.In 1999, DSA activists participated in the anti-globalization protests surrounding that year's World Trade Organization conference in Seattle

DSA's platform is "deeply feminist and antiracist".According to the organization's 2016 strategy document, democratic socialism "connects antiracist, feminist, LGBTQ, labor, anti-ableist, and anti-ageist movements to each other" because each struggle's success depends on the success of the others.For example, at its 2019 national convention, DSA passed a resolution calling for the full decriminalization of sex work.

• Ending mass incarceration: Abolish mandatory minimums and cash bail, demilitarize police departments, treat drug addiction as a health issue rather than a criminal one

• Feminism for All: Fight for freedom of all working class women. Universal childcare^.Fair compensation for all work including care work. End gendered violence and end policies that restrict reproduction like abortion and along with restrictions on marriage and divorce. 

• Finishing Reconstruction,fully honoring tribal sovereignty for native Americans.

• Housing for All: Establish universal rent control and a right to counsel for all tenants. Build more public housing and strictly regulate investment properties.

• Queer rights: End discrimination against LGBTQ people and gendered violence against gay and transgender people.Affirm rights to marry in any combination and to gender-affirming care.

• Abolish ICE: End ICE deportations and prosecute all federal ICE agents. Legalize migration and grant amnesty to immigrants regardless of status. End caps and quotas and provide a path to citizenship for all.

• Ending the US war machine: significantly reduce the U.S. military budget, close overseas military bases, and bring US troops home.

• Ending economic sanctions: End sanctions on countries such as Cuba, Venezuela, and Iran.

• Free Palestine:and mutually acceptable boundaries free of Israel interference. Recognize the rights of Palestinian people, including the right of return. Recognize Jerusalem as the capital of a free Palestine. Prosecute US and Israeli leaders responsible for the Gaza genocide.

DSA supports Palestinian rights, calling for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza and an end to U.S. military and economic aid to Israel.

Over the months after the Gaza war began, various DSA chapters and DSA rank-and-file members and public officials organized and participated in protests and vigils alongside Jewish and Palestinian advocacy groups, including Jewish Voice for Peace, IfNotNow, and Students for Justice in Palestine, in support of a ceasefire and Palestine.

DSA supports Palestinian self-determination, backing the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement, and ending U.S. military aid to Israel.

Can you not see a world beyond capitalism? The tide is turning.

SOURCES: The New York Times, Wikipedia, Anti Defamation League, Prison Moratorium Project, Democratic Socialists of America.

Bob Dylan's 1964 song, The times they are a changin' expresses it best:

Come gather 'round people

Wherever you roam

And admit that the waters

Around you have grown

And accept it that soon

You'll be drenched to the bone

If your time to you is worth savin'

And you better start swimmin'

Or you'll sink like a stone

For the times they are a-changin'

Come writers and critics

Who prophesize with your pen

And keep your eyes wide

The chance won't come again

And don't speak too soon

For the wheel's still in spin

And there's no tellin' who

That it's namin'

For the loser now

Will be later to win

For the times they are a-changin'

Come senators, congressmen

Please heed the call

Don't stand in the doorway

Don't block up the hall

For he that gets hurt

Will be he who has stalled

The battle outside ragin'

Will soon shake your windows

And rattle your walls

For the times they are a-changin'

Come mothers and fathers

Throughout the land

And don't criticize

What you can't understand

Your sons and your daughters

Are beyond your command

Your old road is rapidly agin'

Please get out of the new one

If you can't lend your hand

For the times they are a-changin'

The line it is drawn

The curse it is cast

The slow one now

Will later be fast

As the present now

Will later be past

The order is rapidly fadin'

And the first one now

Will later be last

For the times they are a-changin'

All fine and good. To achieve this, a"classless society" would have to be established. Before Lenin and Stalin the Bolsheviks established a "council republic". It diden't take long before the "rulers" gave orders to the "non rulers".

Isolate 100 people on a remote island. After 30 days, a "ruling class" will have emerged, accumulating power and assets.

As soon as people form "groups", later "states", a social "strata" will inevitably form in no time at all. That is the natural "hindrence" of any society becoming "classless".

Proof? Join a bowling club. After 30 days the best bowler will call the shots in the bowling club. The "social strata" at work.