Security issue. No one should have a robot with a camera in your home just like you should not have any camera hooked up to the internet inside because China can backdoor the video feed, if they wish. I wouldn't trust a domestic robot either. I don't even trust Alexa or my phone.

I know Google is listening to my conversations without my permission because it pushes ad for products I am not interested in that I recently discussed with the phone nearby. Can't really do anything about that unless I go to Apple and their server security isn't as good as Googles, so everything has security risk.

You are the product. 👈

16 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm sorry you can't find a human, though those dolls are really lifelike now, so your fantasies can go on forever. Just so you know, I'm the one who's actually been with many women. You know, 6 children, a few wives, many girlfriends, including now. We aren't sure about you.

Projection, Fred. Not a good look. 😄

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Projection, Fred. Not a good look. 😄

Yes, it might be good if you stopped it,as you have a good reputation and assuming things ruins that. Remember, it's always best to look at your own actions first, before you deflect them back at others. Ask yourself, why did you reply the first time to me, and it might come clear.

4 hours ago, James105 said:

You are kidding... right? You have trouble between distinguishing between communist China and their various human rights abuses and the free democratic country that is the USA?

Europe has no chance of competing. The well known saying that the US innovates, China replicates and Europe regulates holds true, and will do until Europe wakes up and goes back to a common trading area rather than a political union.

And you would set your stall out with an America that starts a war (Iran), invades a country (Venezuela), threatens it's allies (Denmark/ Greenland), causes worldwide economic chaos and generally shows itself to now be an unreliable ally? As I said, Hobson's choice.

Europe has belatedly realised that it needs to help itself. Unfortunately, due to Brexit, rather than be a major influence on the direction of travel in Europe, the UK will be on the outside looking in and, effectively, accept what it is given.

So security cameras, robot vacuums, solar inverters, Chinese cars, and Chinese robots.

I guess the DOE analysis was put in the bin.

"the Department of Energy (via national labs) examined approximately 30 Chinese inverters. The January 20, 2026 analysis (shared with industry partners, not fully public) concluded there was “no definitive evidence of intentionally introduced malicious wireless functionality.”

Of course, the US cannot trust China for not using robots or other devices to spy. Just like China cannot trust the US (remember the backdoor access of Cisco routers used in China's Internet backbone)! 😀

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43 minutes ago, candide said:

(remember the backdoor access of Cisco routers used in China's Internet backbone)!

Please provide evidence to back up this statement.

5 hours ago, Fact said:

Please provide evidence to back up this statement.

5 hours ago, Fact said:

Please provide evidence to back up this statement.

https://www.infoworld.com/article/2179244/snowden-the-nsa-planted-backdoors-in-cisco-products.html

https://eastasiaforum.org/2014/03/16/china-us-telco-wars/

2 hours ago, candide said:

https://www.infoworld.com/article/2179244/snowden-the-nsa-planted-backdoors-in-cisco-products.html

https://eastasiaforum.org/2014/03/16/china-us-telco-wars/

There is credible evidence that the NSA (not specifically the CIA) conducted supply-chain operations against networking equipment, including Cisco routers destined for overseas customers. However, it's important to distinguish between several different claims:

1. Intercepting and modifying individual devices in transit (well-supported).

2. Building a universal backdoor into Cisco products (not supported by public evidence).

3. Cisco knowingly cooperating to insert backdoors (no public evidence).

The strongest public evidence comes from documents leaked by Edward Snowden in 2014. They describe the National Security Agency intercepting shipments of routers, servers, and other equipment before delivery, installing surveillance implants, resealing the packaging, and then forwarding the devices to the intended customer. The documents indicate that this was used against foreign surveillance targets, including some in China and elsewhere. (engadget.com)

That is different from saying Cisco routers came from the factory with an NSA or CIA backdoor. Publicly available evidence indicates the NSA physically modified selected devices after manufacture rather than Cisco embedding a secret government backdoor in all products. Cisco stated it had not cooperated in weakening its products. (engadget.com)

Separately, intelligence agencies from many countries—including the U.S., China, and Russia—have compromised routers by exploiting software vulnerabilities or installing malware after gaining access. For example, recent U.S. government advisories describe Chinese state-sponsored actors compromising Cisco routers and enabling traffic mirroring after exploiting vulnerabilities. (CISA)

So if the claim is:

• "The NSA intercepted Cisco routers going to China and implanted surveillance hardware/software." → Yes, there is substantial public evidence from the Snowden documents supporting that. (engadget.com)

• "Cisco routers had a built-in CIA backdoor." → There is no publicly verified evidence supporting that broader claim.

• "Cisco knowingly inserted a government backdoor into its products." → There is no publicly verified evidence for that either.

The distinction between supply-chain interception of selected devices and a built-in product backdoor is important because they imply very different capabilities and evidence.

9 hours ago, Fact said:

There is credible evidence that the NSA (not specifically the CIA) conducted supply-chain operations against networking equipment, including Cisco routers destined for overseas customers. However, it's important to distinguish between several different claims:

1. Intercepting and modifying individual devices in transit (well-supported).

2. Building a universal backdoor into Cisco products (not supported by public evidence).

3. Cisco knowingly cooperating to insert backdoors (no public evidence).

The strongest public evidence comes from documents leaked by Edward Snowden in 2014. They describe the National Security Agency intercepting shipments of routers, servers, and other equipment before delivery, installing surveillance implants, resealing the packaging, and then forwarding the devices to the intended customer. The documents indicate that this was used against foreign surveillance targets, including some in China and elsewhere. (engadget.com)

That is different from saying Cisco routers came from the factory with an NSA or CIA backdoor. Publicly available evidence indicates the NSA physically modified selected devices after manufacture rather than Cisco embedding a secret government backdoor in all products. Cisco stated it had not cooperated in weakening its products. (engadget.com)

Separately, intelligence agencies from many countries—including the U.S., China, and Russia—have compromised routers by exploiting software vulnerabilities or installing malware after gaining access. For example, recent U.S. government advisories describe Chinese state-sponsored actors compromising Cisco routers and enabling traffic mirroring after exploiting vulnerabilities. (CISA)

So if the claim is:

• "The NSA intercepted Cisco routers going to China and implanted surveillance hardware/software." → Yes, there is substantial public evidence from the Snowden documents supporting that. (engadget.com)

• "Cisco routers had a built-in CIA backdoor." → There is no publicly verified evidence supporting that broader claim.

• "Cisco knowingly inserted a government backdoor into its products." → There is no publicly verified evidence for that either.

The distinction between supply-chain interception of selected devices and a built-in product backdoor is important because they imply very different capabilities and evidence.

Thanks for these precisons.

BTW, I did not make any statement about how it happened, I.e. never said it was made by Cisco itself.

Edited July 31Jul 31 by candide

also includes smart lawnmowers and smart vacum cleaners around the house