4 minutes ago, Geoff914 said:

Exactly, how can that not be benefits. It is like the anal people who persist and say the state pension is a benefit and not a pension. The Government has for its own reason chosen within the DWP systems to redefine the state pension as a benefit when we all know what it is pension. Let us normal people who have grown up with the English language use it in the general sense and not have the definition police dictate what words mean.

benefit /bĕn′ə-fĭt/

noun

1. Something that promotes or enhances well-being; an advantage.

2. Help; aid.

3. A payment made by a government agency or insurance company to qualifying persons in time of need.

And as a 'benefit ' should be tax exempt.

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I am quite sure they have schools in Morocco that the children can attend................wait, why are we talking about Children again ?

This about adult Moroccan men illegally entering Spain, its nothing to do with children

For some human rights activists, children, women, the elderly, and the sick seem to materialize on cue, even when none of them are actually present.

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I am quite sure they have schools in Morocco that the children can attend................wait, why are we talking about Children again ?

This about adult Moroccan men illegally entering Spain, its nothing to do with children

If you're going to but in Nick please read the thread properly. I pointed out that to someone complaining about feeding and housing refugees and in particular their issue with, and I quote:

"Education: Children aged 5 to 17 are required and given the right to attend local free state schools"

Someone had an issue with that. The children didn't ask to be there.

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

So you would let them starve and punish their children by denying them basic human rights such as education? Says a lot about you, but you're a Trumpist so it makes sense.

I assume you have never heard of the UN Declaration of Human Rights.

https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights

UN Declaration of Human Rights... yes that's another kettle of fish! Applies to certain humans and situations and totally absent on other major calamities! An extremely choosy declaration.

54 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Id class a free house, free iphone, expedited free dental & medical care and spending money "benefits". Perhaps your definition of the word differs?

No-one gets free iPhones or expedited anything. Illegal migrants do not get free houses either. You are making this all up (or swallowing what you are told more likely).

Asylum seekers get basic accommodation and a small allowance until their cases are heard when they are either granted asylum, or refused and deported (the majority). They do get medical treatment.

It is a universal human rights law that they need to be fed and kept alive until their cases are complete. Every other bit of nonsense you have digested (free iPhones for example) is made up.

Edited August 1Aug 1 by josephbloggs

23 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

And who pays for all your pipe dreams in the real world, not the rosy garden you live in?

We spend about 0.1% of GDP on housing asylum seekers.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-fiscal-impact-of-immigration-in-the-uk/

The UK National Debt interest payment is almost 25 times more than the entire spend on asylum seekers per annum.

9 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

If you're going to but in Nick please read the thread properly. I pointed out that to someone complaining about feeding and housing refugees and in particular their issue with, and I quote:

"Education: Children aged 5 to 17 are required and given the right to attend local free state schools"

Someone had an issue with that. The children didn't ask to be there.

The long lost of benefits Asylum seekers was posted , it was you who ignored the whole list apart from the bit involving children .

Why did you focus on children ?

14 minutes ago, ravip said:

For some human rights activists, children, women, the elderly, and the sick seem to materialize on cue, even when none of them are actually present.

All men of fighting age suddenely turn into woman and children , just like they did in Gaza

28 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

And who pays for all your pipe dreams in the real world, not the rosy garden you live in?

The government does, as we are a signatory to the UK Declaration on Human Rights and have been since 1948. You probably think it is half of our GDP and that's why the NHS is so bad and why trains don't run on time.

We spend 0.1% of GDP on asylum seekers, it is nothing in the scheme of things. It doesn't even come close to government waste in dozens of areas. Scrapped projects alone cost more than that each year. It doesn't affect your quality of life, no government services are suffering to pay for it.

Would it be better if that cost wasn't there? Yes! Would you notice any difference? Absolutely not.

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The long lost of benefits Asylum seekers was posted , it was you who ignored the whole list apart from the bit involving children .

Why did you focus on children ?

I did address it Nick, I mentioned the subsistence allowance and accommodation, but thought denying schooling to children was worth highlighting.

Again, if you are going to but in do try and read the thread. Thank you.

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

So you would let them starve and punish their children by denying them basic human rights such as education? Says a lot about you, but you're a Trumpist so it makes sense.

I assume you have never heard of the UN Declaration of Human Rights.

https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights

What are they actually fleeing from in Morroco? Europeans pay a lot of money to go there on holiday, can’t be all bad. Got a decent football team too :)

2 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

We spend 0.1% of GDP on asylum seekers, it is nothing in the scheme of things.

Its 5 Billion Pounds per year that the UK spends on Asylum seekers

1 minute ago, sungod said:

What are they actually fleeing from in Morroco? Europeans pay a lot of money to go there on holiday, can’t be all bad. Got a decent football team too :)

Th UK bombing Iraq is the reason why Moroccans are fleeing to the UK

2 minutes ago, sungod said:

What are they actually fleeing from in Morroco? Europeans pay a lot of money to go there on holiday, can’t be all bad. Got a decent football team too :)

I have no idea, I made no comment on that. What made them risk their lives to swim five miles to a tiny little island - and then get sent back. Honestly, I don't know.

33 minutes ago, roo860 said:

And as a 'benefit ' should be tax exempt.

But real UK benefits can be taxed I believe. If in any year you receive earned income and benefits then the total income (income+benefits) is taxed. That is my understanding. Of course state pension (benefit) counts as income for tax purposes.

16 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

The government does, as we are a signatory to the UK Declaration on Human Rights and have been since 1948. You probably think it is half of our GDP and that's why the NHS is so bad and why trains don't run on time.

We spend 0.1% of GDP on asylum seekers, it is nothing in the scheme of things. It doesn't even come close to government waste in dozens of areas. Scrapped projects alone cost more than that each year. It doesn't affect your quality of life, no government services are suffering to pay for it.

Would it be better if that cost wasn't there? Yes! Would you notice any difference? Absolutely not.

But if you add up all of the 0.1 percents I bet they come to a sizable figure. So you could just argue that 0.1% is nothing so just ignore the myriad of 0.1%s

13 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

I have no idea, I made no comment on that. What made them risk their lives to swim five miles to a tiny little island - and then get sent back. Honestly, I don't know.

Five mile swim ?

19 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Th UK bombing Iraq is the reason why Moroccans are fleeing to the UK

Sorry Nick, you’ve lost me :)

Edited August 1Aug 1 by sungod

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

So you would let them starve and punish their children by denying them basic human rights such as education? Says a lot about you, but you're a Trumpist so it makes sense.

I assume you have never heard of the UN Declaration of Human Rights.

https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights

You just focused on children in this post , and that is the post I am replying to

19 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

I have no idea, I made no comment on that. What made them risk their lives to swim five miles to a tiny little island - and then get sent back. Honestly, I don't know.

And why was it only men fleeing? Where were the women and children, guess we will never know that too.

One thing we do know, the women in the middle east must be hard as nails, left to fight the wars whilst their husbands run away.

1 minute ago, sungod said:

Sorry Nick, you’ve lost me :)

That the reason why all asylum seekers go to the UK .

Because Tony Blair bombed Iraq .

42 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

No-one gets free iPhones or expedited anything. Illegal migrants do not get free houses either. You are making this all up (or swallowing what you are told more likely).

Asylum seekers get basic accommodation and a small allowance until their cases are heard when they are either granted asylum, or refused and deported (the majority). They do get medical treatment.

It is a universal human rights law that they need to be fed and kept alive until their cases are complete. Every other bit of nonsense you have digested (free iPhones for example) is made up.

Meanwhile, back in the real world.......

Yawn at leftist disinformation and lazy party narratives

15 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Five mile swim ?

Yes Nick, that's what I said. Many of them swam from points on the mainland as it is a heavily fortified border. 60 of them didn't drown on dry land.

https://abcnews.com/International/57-dead-after-thousands-migrants-cross-ceuta-officials/story?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dhfacebook&utm_content=app.dashsocial.com/abcnews/library/media/704055031&id=135254045

5 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Meanwhile, back in the real world.......

Yawn at leftist disinformation and lazy party narratives

So come on then provide the "real" information from your "real world". Where's your link to free houses and iPhones for illegal immigrants? Shouldn't be hard to paste in a reply?

20 minutes ago, Geoff914 said:

But if you add up all of the 0.1 percents I bet they come to a sizable figure. So you could just argue that 0.1% is nothing so just ignore the myriad of 0.1%s

No one's ignoring it. But people talk as though it is 10-20%. It is a pittance in the overall scheme of things. 0.1% to comply with our obligations to universal human rights is nothing.

Of course if we could save that 0.1% that would be great, but not at the expense of starving people or denying children an education.

13 minutes ago, sungod said:

And why was it only men fleeing? Where were the women and children, guess we will never know that too.

One thing we do know, the women in the middle east must be hard as nails, left to fight the wars whilst their husbands run away.

Yeah, it would make more sense to send the women and children ahead on the dangerous crossing, so if they get asylum then the husbands can follow.

42 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

No-one gets free iPhones or expedited anything. Illegal migrants do not get free houses either. You are making this all up (or swallowing what you are told more likely).
Asylum seekers get basic accommodation and a small allowance until their cases are heard when they are either granted asylum, or refused and deported (the majority). They do get medical treatment.
It is a universal human rights law that they need to be fed and kept alive until their cases are complete. Every other bit of nonsense you have digested (free iPhones for example) is made up.

Let's have some transparency. The cost of accommodation, food, and basic support allowances in 2024 was £5.38billion. In 2025 it was £4.billion. This does not include additional expenses such as healthcare, social services support, administration and policing.

An initial decision on an asylum caseusually takes about 6 months. It often takes up to a year. Then there is the appeal process if the migrant does not accept a ruling. These can take another 1-2 years. The UK has a reported 80,000 cases under appeal.The UK does not have a high deportation rate. According to the Migrant Observatory

-Approx 50% of refused asylum seekers who applied between 2010 and 2022 are still in the UK.

-Only 4% of people who arrived by small boat from 2018 to 2025 were returned from the UK during that period

They come, they play the system and they do not leave.

49 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

We spend about 0.1% of GDP on housing asylum seekers.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-fiscal-impact-of-immigration-in-the-uk/

The UK National Debt interest payment is almost 25 times more than the entire spend on asylum seekers per annum.

Where in this report does it mention 0.1% of GDP on housing asylum seekers. If that literally just housing them or all benefits

9 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Yes Nick, that's what I said. Many of them swam from points on the mainland as it is a heavily fortified border. 60 of them didn't drown on dry land.

https://abcnews.com/International/57-dead-after-thousands-migrants-cross-ceuta-officials/story?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dhfacebook&utm_content=app.dashsocial.com/abcnews/library/media/704055031&id=135254045

Some drowned and others died in a stampeded on land

8 hours ago, ravip said:

What's so incredibly attractive in the UK for these illegal migrants? Why not set up camp in France or Belgium? The UK at any cost?

They come from your former colonies and speak your language, quite simply.

Those who come from the former French colonies remain in France; there are also several millions.