26 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

I'm sure that once they get over their grief, that the family will issue a full report especially for you and the rest of the Asean-now experts Confirming the exact circumstances of the the poor guys death and listing all the relevant details of his insurance , the personal protective equipment he was wearing , and an itemised bill.

AFTER the gofundme period ends, of course....................

10 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

Because some of us, no matter how poor we were growing up, were taught never to ask other people for money. Probably because we knew our friends and neighbours had their problems, and it just wasn't right to expect help from them or to burden them.

It was considered begging, and it carried a great deal of shame, even in working-class families.

It appears that values like self-respect and personal pride have faded for some people. Many now think it's perfectly acceptable to ask others for financial help, even complete strangers.

In this case, he either didn't arrange, or chose not to pay for, adequate travel insurance to cover unforeseen circumstances, such as accidents, or in this case death, and the repatriation of remains.

That responsibility shouldn't automatically fall on the public.

It's a pet hate of mine.

i was also brought up to support myself and have never sponged off others. If others wish to help each other out then that is their business, Do you get triggered when people donate to charity? or is that "different"

The only difference I see is that a large portion of the money donated to charities never finds its way to the intended recipients

RIP

In my 20 years of living in Bangkok I always tried to avoid riding on motorbikes, thinking that the roads are too dangerous anyway. Also, a car taxi used to only cost $3 - $5 anyway, and there's the MRT & BTS.

(I understand that riding motorbikes on dirt tracks or lanes upcountry or at a small beach resort is rather different.)

39 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

If others are willing to contribute what is your problem? Its not compulsory , and whilst I certainly won't be coughing up, I have no issues with the family asking for assistance and no issues with those who wish to help, "up to them" as they say

I have no issue with what you said. My problem is that funds are diverted from people in dire need of help. Funds should be spent on the living not on the dead. Frankly I think the 10,000 GBP is on the high side.

Edited August 4Aug 4 by riverhigh

9 minutes ago, Blueman1 said:

But She Wasn't His Wife, She was his Fiance !!

OMG you mean they were "living in sin" ! that changes everything, serves him right eh ?

3 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

i was also brought up to support myself and have never sponged off others. If others wish to help each other out then that is their business, Do you get triggered when people donate to charity? or is that "different"

The only difference I see is that a large portion of the money donated to charities never finds its way to the intended recipients

I do because I see the waste and the salaries those CEOs of the charities are on.

They always seem to have plenty of money for advertising on TV at peak viewing hours, begging for money and making us feel guilty.

I said earlier in another thread, and I actually listed some of my past charitable events and causes that I did at my properties whilst in business. I definitely, where possible, preferred giving products and essential items rather than cash, to charities.

There is far too much of this Just giving and GoFundMe on social media these days, so much so, it encourages people not to take responsibility for themselves.

1 minute ago, riverhigh said:

I have no issue with what you said. My problem is that funds are diverted from people in dire need of help. Funds should be spent on the living not on the dead. Frankly I think the 10,000 GBP is on the high side.

Its well too much , he could be burnt here and his ashes sent home by FED ex or DHL much cheaper . However rest assured it is not diverting my funds away from more worthy causes or indeed any other causes at all, as I have no intention of ever donating whatsoever, However for those that wish to , crack on

I wonder how many of this type of accident is a young foreigner, on a fast bike traveling at high speeds? Just saying because it scares the hell out of me on my little pcx.

1 minute ago, Scouse123 said:

I do because I see the waste and the salaries those CEOs of the charities are on.

They always seem to have plenty of money for advertising on TV at peak viewing hours, begging for money and making us feel guilty.

I said earlier in another thread, and I actually listed some of my past charitable events and causes that I did at my properties whilst in business. I definitely, where possible, preferred giving products and essential items rather than cash, to charities.

There is far too much of this Just giving and GoFundMe on social media these days, so much so, it encourages people not to take responsibility for themselves.

So it appears we actually agree, A friend of my brothers mother in law back in the uk was always a soft touch , she often responded to the TV adverts asking for money for sick donkeys etc etc , what none of her relatives knew was that her charitable nature ( she was a soft touch) had not gone unnoticed and her name was appearing on "data lists" that are available for a fee and which highlighted this.

It was only after her death that the family accessed her bank accounts and saw that she was handing over hundreds of pounds every month to these so called charities. leeches all of them

I don't ever give money to the homeless, I tried to give a sandwich to one claiming to be starving, and was told where to shove it

21 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

So it appears we actually agree, A friend of my brothers mother in law back in the uk was always a soft touch , she often responded to the TV adverts asking for money for sick donkeys etc etc , what none of her relatives knew was that her charitable nature ( she was a soft touch) had not gone unnoticed and her name was appearing on "data lists" that are available for a fee and which highlighted this.

It was only after her death that the family accessed her bank accounts and saw that she was handing over hundreds of pounds every month to these so called charities. leeches all of them

I don't ever give money to the homeless, I tried to give a sandwich to one claiming to be starving, and was told where to shove it

When my mother got too old and ill to look after herself, I built an extension on my older sister's house and my sister gave up work to look after MAM. We built a ground floor granny flat which was self-contained.

Anyway, she had cash left over from the sale of her house safely deposited in her bank.

She used to sit in the chair in the lounge ordering things from online companies that she neither needed nor wanted, I realized it was because she was bored.

On one of my trips home, she told me she was getting a 'bit fed up now' of charities asking for money because she was doing her best, but they kept asking for more.

We found out she had been regularly giving 50 GBP here, and 30 GBP there, and 100 GBP for a one off over there, to all and sundry various charities. The sum was in the hundreds regularly.

My sister hadn't noticed. She was too busy looking after MAM, running a household and she, herself, was a grandmother.

Between us, we put a stop to all of them, but it had gone unnoticed for 18 months. When she tried to stop previously, she was bombarded with how much her donation meant, and who was doing without now her donations had stopped. Total emotional blackmail.

If they were doing it to us, how many more vulnerable and lonely old men and women are they doing it to?

2 hours ago, ronnie50 said:

This is the second story in a few weeks of shoddy diagnosis and medical care resulting in death. It belies the notion that Thailand is some great place with wonderful medical care (as they are trying to advertise). People overseas who are considering coming to Thailand for medical treatment really should do a lot of research on that first.

Should every Thai island have gleaming medical facilities with MRI scanners poised to use as well as operating theatres?

'I doubt if you could find a travel insurance provider that covers injuries from motorcycle accidents'

Not my experience from 15 years travel and riding in Thailand! Many do, but however they have 'rules' or may not pay out.

-They require that you have a valid home license, and IDP, so you ride legally oseas.

- They usually limit capacity to 125cc (can be a problem as so many scooters now are 150-160cc

-They require that you wear a helmet and are not drunk.Some companies do have more onerous rules but these are the common ones.

7 hours ago, SingAPorn said:

Very tragic once again.

When will the UK government ban it's own to travel without proper travel health or accident insurance ? Because at this rate of all the gofundme's for the brits, at one point countries will ban them from entry if they cannot prove having adequate insurance, like most of the west europeans have compulsory by law. I would think that the best insured and often even over-insured would be the citizens from Switzerland.

Which countries have required tourists to have holiday insurance or banned from entry ?? I’ve been around the world and cannot think of one ?

I do think that it should be compulsory for some counties. One doesn’t hear of tourists claiming from other countries than Thailand , so does that mean that Thailand is a particularly dangerous place to holiday ?

Personally , I have a fully covered tourist insurance that is not cheap but for my peace of mind .

11 minutes ago, geisha said:

One doesn’t hear of tourists claiming from other countries than Thailand , so does that mean that Thailand is a particularly dangerous place to holiday ?

No it means one do not look at Uganda, Nigerian or Balinese, et al forums.

8 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Whoosh. That's the sound of my point flying right over your head.

I think your point was too blunt to be aerodynamically sound for flying. 🤔

5 hours ago, Celsius said:

Brits are obviously not well traveled

Oh not like Americans , then?

8 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Whoosh. That's the sound of my point flying right over your head.

More like the vacuum in your head reaching absolute zero

R.I.P.

Young man.

9 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

motorbike crash

I've never seen an accident between a car and a motorcycle where the motorcycle wins.

F = m * a

Conclusion: Drive a fully loaded cement mixer to a wedding party.

You're welcome. 😲

Conclusion, don't ride a motor bike in Thailand. Unless you wear a good qulity helmet and have a great deal of experiencing riding a motor bike!

5 hours ago, impulse said:

Maybe. Helmets reduce deaths by about 40%. But if he was in a car with his seat belts fastened, it's about 100%

Tragic data point. My condolences to his loved ones.

Zero car deaths when wearing a seat belt... Where does that BS data coime from ?

6 hours ago, sunrisecoconuts said:

It can escalate quickly, had 2 accidents in 14 years. First time I was hit from a side soi by a car that came on the main road without even looking. I flew like superman but a full face helmet made it reduced to a broken nose and arm wrist.

Then a second time i had half a hole in my chin with 14 stitches and a few broken ribs. And this was both times because i massively reduced speed by doing a emergency brake having a good reaction speed.

It's just really next level on the southern islands, to the point that I even feel like buying a car now. You talk literally at very least 5-10 close by encounters on a 30 minute ride along the ring roads of most islands, that where others make mistakes but if you didn't pay attention, you would become part of it. It's mainly big trucks and minivans, they do crazy sht, taking over in corners of a mountain where you just came down with your bike at 60km per hour, to force you in the side (if it was a car it would be full smash). Daily that.

The numbers are really shocking too, everyone knows this 20K a year figure, but like for example Samui you literally talk 60-80 deaths a month from traffic alone. Apparently statistically it's that bad, that you are guaranteed to get one over time, even as the best driver. It's more dangerous than the most dangerous US states if it comes to Math and variance, the chances of you having a encounter.

Imagine this then also while it never is in the news, it would drastically change people their view. All these roads and bends and corners are basically places were dozens if not hundreds to thousands died over the years. That makes a casual murder peanuts.

Zero accidents in 60 years riding motorbikes.

Learnt how to ride defensively after getting my licence at age 17, in Australia. (Suzuki A100)

For ~30yrs it was my primary mode of transport to/from work...rain, hail or shine!

( Honda CB250, THEN Yamaha Virago 400)

Now in my late 70's here, I still ride my Honda Click to the local shops on side roads. Otherwise use my car for longer, busier trips on major roads.

Always wear a helmet, Always assume ever other idiot on the road in front, behind, alongside etc is out to kill or maim you.

And yes I've riden around most of the major tourist islands with my wife on the back ( who loathes wearing a helmet or a seatbelt....it's a Thai thing) but that was over a decade ago.

So far so good !🙏🥵

8 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Photo looks like Phi Phi, so I'll guess he was staying in Phuket or Kho Lanta.

Couldn't possibly be staying on Phi Phi?

Phuket has some of the best hospitals and facilities in Thailand. Bangkok Hospital Phuket has a neurology unit and all the latest MRIs and such. There's no way they would have sent a paying customer home. The main public hospital is very large and well equipped.

So many point out the islands, particularly the southern islands are very dangerous for bike riders.

Where are the northern islands and why are they and the mainland so safe?

13 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Zero car deaths when wearing a seat belt... Where does that BS data coime from ?

In his case (which IS the topic) it's 100%

Normally, cars are 95-97.5% safer on a per km basis. Studies out of Aus and the USA (where they actually track and report that kind of thing) say that scooters are 20-40x as dangerous on a per km basis.

Admittedly, 95-97.5% is not 100%. But close enough...

Edited August 4Aug 4 by impulse

16 minutes ago, orchidfan said:

Zero accidents in 60 years riding motorbikes.

Learnt how to ride defensively after getting my licence at age 17, in Australia. (Suzuki A100)

Careful... You'll jinx it. Better go knock on some wood.

5 minutes ago, impulse said:

In his case (which IS the topic) it's 100%

Normally, cars are 95-97.5% safer on a per km basis. Studies out of Aus and the USA (where they actually track and report that kind of thing) say that scooters are 20-40x as dangerous on a per km basis.

Admittedly, 95-97.5% is not 100%. But close enough...

So yeah..... BS data.

2 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

There is far too much of this Just giving and GoFundMe on social media these days, so much so, it encourages people not to take responsibility for themselves.

I don't disagree with that, but in a lot of cases, it's a case of getting your hands on liquid cash. Especially overseas and especially when payment delays are either expensive or worse.

Besides that, it's an opportunity for friends and family to help out and show support in a time of great sadness. Beats the crap out of sending flowers, just on the basis of usefulness.

3 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

So yeah..... BS data.

If the guy on the OP had been in a car with his seatbelt fastened, would he be dead?

9 hours ago, JerryM said:

NB The 10,000 GBP JustGiving request for body repatriation has reached over 11,000 GBP.

That's the piss up wake covered then.

We actually need the whole story before making accusations. Sure we pretty much have a good idea of what happened, considering it happens all of the time but where is the story about the accident? Not just the parents whining about bad health care and setting up a fund. Obviously no insurance, but there’s definitely more to the story and it’s being left out.

Sad he lost his life so young, but I want more details than he hit his head and went to a hospital to check it out. Maybe he didn’t want to, or have the money for an MRI. Too much unknown in this story. The parents and public deserve to know what happened.