42 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I think you'll be suprised, now, how some will and have held their value.

Really can only use MG4 as an example, for 100% electric, as only one that's been around a couple years. But some listed just below original purchase price. Only one I paid attention to.

Would think the Atto 3 is holding price fairly well also. One of the earlier ones available, 2022.

New will hold value even more with the LifeTime warranties, and takes all the worry out of buying 2nd hand MG BEV.

The big resale price drops is completely do to EV, being better and cheaper to buy, as people wake up to that fact.

With ones you are considering, I'd highly recommend you take a peek at MG S5, as MG4 may be too small.

Stated before, but I would never go back to an ICEV. Not a fan of hybrids, as 2 systems complicates things, and unnecessary added expense.

Byd Atto 3 were launched end of 2022

BYD ATTO 3 Standard Range (Nov 2022): 1,099,900 baht (410 km NEDC range).

BYD ATTO 3 Extended Range (Oct 2022): 1,199,900 baht (480 km NEDC range).

Major price reductions didn't take place until June/July 2024

by up to 340,000 baht to celebrate their local factory opening) and again in October 2025 (slashing prices further down to 629,900 baht)

Current asking prices on one2car range from B430K to B519K for 2023 cars

Lowest asking price is B430K for a 2023 extended atto 3 90-85km private sale which indicates a price difference of B769,000 against the new price of B1,200,000 or a reduction in value of B256K per year of 3 years ownership

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Byd Atto 3 were launched end of 2022

BYD ATTO 3 Standard Range (Nov 2022): 1,099,900 baht (410 km NEDC range).

BYD ATTO 3 Extended Range (Oct 2022): 1,199,900 baht (480 km NEDC range).

Major price reductions didn't take place until June/July 2024

by up to 340,000 baht to celebrate their local factory opening) and again in October 2025 (slashing prices further down to 629,900 baht)

Current asking prices on one2car range from B430K to B519K for 2023 cars

Lowest asking price is B430K for a 2023 extended atto 3 90-85km private sale which indicates a price difference of B769,000 against the new price of B1,200,000 or a reduction in value of B256K per year of 3 years ownership

As stated, only paid attention to MG4. The 'unique' price war & new competition pretty much ruined the 2nd hand market, across the board.

Even the MG4, original price back in 2022 was ~800k, then sale priced 579.9k later on ... OUCH.

With new model MG4 on promo for 599k 🤣

Along with MG S5 on promo for 649k .

Both with Lifetime Warranty, that stays with the car, not just the original owner.

Seriously, that's just 2 BEV models, why would anyone buy an ICEV.

If we could get a decent price for our ZS, I'd consider selling and getting the S5. Though we really like the ZS, unique front end.

Every new EV looks almost exactly the same, boring. Hard to tell some apart till see the maker's emblem. ZS, I can spot immediately from a distance.

ICEV even adapting the same streamlined, aerodynamic look of the EV. Smart, but boring.

Edited August 13Aug 13 by KhunLA

42 minutes ago, Furioso said:

Also note the Yaris Cross with glass roof comes with a sunshade. Also the high end Yaris gets the multi cameras allowing you to see all around you plus a top, birds eye view. For me it's such a cool and beneficial feature it's a "must have" in any new car I'm going to buy.

The high seating position in the Yaris Cross gives a great panoramic driving view but the high hood, high window sills and high rear window physically block your view of the ground and low obstacles. The 360-degree multi cameras are particularly good at overcoming that issue.

36 minutes ago, Furioso said:

That's good you have plenty of time before deciding what to buy. Test drives are always necessary imho. The higher end Yaris Cross having 18 inch tires you get better handling and performance but a little louder/harsher than 17 inch tires. Still, they are considered the middle ground between 15 inch and absurd 20 inch tires.

Also note the Yaris Cross with glass roof comes with a sunshade. Also the high end Yaris gets the multi cameras allowing you to see all around you plus a top, birds eye view. For me it's such a cool and beneficial feature it's a "must have" in any new car I'm going to buy.

It's a shame about Nissan, they still make really good vehicles but they're poorly run with proper leadership they could easily get their reputation and sales back.

Yes, the Mazda's are coming, maybe just a few months away. I'm trying to hold off as long as I can because I remember seeing the CX3 in Florida back in 2018 and it's a perfect size for me, rides higher than a saloon, and even though it's cramped in the back seats it's a high quality car that would be fun for a single guy like me.

You last paragraph describes my needs. I'm also single but do, on occasion, have my landlady in the car as well, and sometimes her daughter in the back - or someone I'm rushing to hospital... so I don't really care about the headroom of the backseat at all. But it must have one.

A friend down in Pattaya has just bought himself a top-tier CX-7 because "it was only 100,000 k more than the five I went there to look at" to replace his 18(?) year-old Mitsubishi seven-seater thing which has done f all miles. He was also offered - and took - a "stupid price" for a C-3 for his wife to replace her aging Nissan March but there's a five month wait on it.

My Almera is very frugal on the juice, being light and with a small engine (in the real world, I get about 700km per 42 liter tank) but the 15" wheels (195/65 profile, I updated from 185/70s for more footprint) don't take the potholes, construction, gravel, and dodgy road surfaces too well up here.

In reality I want a compact suv with big wheels, with enough power for the mountains. Hence my choice for (non plug-in) hybrids that are also small enough to traverse the inner cities - although I've found it easier, once parked at my hotel, to just Bolt everywhere.
My budget is also limited to under a million baht.

17 minutes ago, The Oracle said:

You last paragraph describes my needs. I'm also single but do, on occasion, have my landlady in the car as well, and sometimes her daughter in the back - or someone I'm rushing to hospital... so I don't really care about the headroom of the backseat at all. But it must have one.

A friend down in Pattaya has just bought himself a top-tier CX-7 because "it was only 100,000 k more than the five I went there to look at" to replace his 18(?) year-old Mitsubishi seven-seater thing which has done f all miles. He was also offered - and took - a "stupid price" for a C-3 for his wife to replace her aging Nissan March but there's a five month wait on it.

My Almera is very frugal on the juice, being light and with a small engine (in the real world, I get about 700km per 42 liter tank) but the 15" wheels (195/65 profile, I updated from 185/70s for more footprint) don't take the potholes, construction, gravel, and dodgy road surfaces too well up here.

In reality I want a compact suv with big wheels, with enough power for the mountains. Hence my choice for (non plug-in) hybrids that are also small enough to traverse the inner cities - although I've found it easier, once parked at my hotel, to just Bolt everywhere.
My budget is also limited to under a million baht.

I googled both the CX-3 and the CX-30 for pros and cons and the pros are powerful engine, high cabin quality, great handling, steering and control, good sound isolation. Cons are cramped trunk and rear legroom, sporty suspension is a firm and a little bouncy. Quirky infotainment.

But these pros/cons are the current CX-3/CX-30. They are introducing the next generation Mazda CX-3/CX-30 next year. The CX-3 will have a major redesign, larger frame and will either have their mild or full hybrid version. Production hub for Asia will be in Rayong!

On 8/12/2026 at 5:51 PM, Furioso said:

Yes, that's good info about the Hybrids performance in the hills and the more I look at buying a new vehicle I think Hybrid is the way to go. We're at the point where people are demanding every car have at least a Hybrid option. So, for now, this eliminates the Mazda CX3 and CX30 but Mazda will probably bring the Hybrid versions of these cars to Thailand next year.

I have a neighbor who bought the MG HS for about 900,000 three years ago. I've ridden in it many times and overall it's a good car but now he wants to sell it and the resale value is horrible. Because of this I'm never buying an MG.

I watched a Yaris Cross YouTube review today and I'm surprised it checks almost all the boxes. It's a Hybrid, multi camera, fantastic gas mileage 26km-30km per liter, roomy back seat & trunk, kick gesture. Cons would be a little noisy/harsh ride but that's par for the course for a car that's approx 900,000 baht. Nice, reliable vehicle for someone who has mobility issues.

An extra 300,000 baht gets you an Honda HRV or Toyota Corolla Cross. Both Hybrids, multi camera, roomier, approx 19km per liter gas mileage. Probably can't lose with either, definitely more upscale compared to the Yaris Cross.

For me right now the Honda City RS Hatchback is in the lead. It has almost everything you can think of plus those magic seats. I'm going to test drive it to see if I really like it or not. If not I'm going to test drive the Yaris Cross and Honda HRV.

But yes, for you I think the Yaris Cross is to be considered and if it turns out to be to rough then maybe move up to the HRV or Corolla Cross and keep in mind the Mazda Hybrids are just around the corner. Those Mazda's have the best interiors!

We have an 2023 city rs turbo. It's pretty good and enough decent power (the hybrid is better again). It's my wife's car but I prefer to drive my crv diesel as I prefer the better clearance. Never has major problems with either of them. If I wanted a hybrid crossover I'd probably get a hrv - they seem to be everywhere. Drive and compare it to the corolla cross. For a sedan, I'd probably look at a top spec civic hybrid.

On 8/11/2026 at 10:52 PM, Furioso said:

I prefer Hybrid over regular petrol but I can be talked out of it. EV is almost out of the question.

We've been satisfied with our CNG/petrol dual fuel Toyota Hilux.

Running CNG full-time, converting to petrol cost, we're getting the equivalent of 75 mpg.

Only drawback is the extra 500 baht annual inspection fee for the CNG system.

38 minutes ago, DavisH said:

We have an 2023 city rs turbo. It's pretty good and enough decent power (the hybrid is better again). It's my wife's car but I prefer to drive my crv diesel as I prefer the better clearance. Never has major problems with either of them. If I wanted a hybrid crossover I'd probably get a hrv - they seem to be everywhere. Drive and compare it to the corolla cross. For a sedan, I'd probably look at a top spec civic hybrid.

Yes, I like the HRV better than the Corolla Cross too.

The City Hatchback is an intriguing car. Honda just changed all the trim lines this last month.

• The only ICE Turbo is the lowest trim, the S for 580,000 baht.

• The other 3 trims are all HEV with the highest trim, the RS HEV, cost 750,000 baht.

But the City is really small, I probably should consider something bigger my issue is I probably won't be driving it more than 10,000 km a year. The Mazda CX-3 has way better clearance probably much easier and more comfortable to drive. I can buy the lowest trim as it has cloth seats which I like better than faux leather anyway.

10 hours ago, Furioso said:

Yes, I like the HRV better than the Corolla Cross too.

The City Hatchback is an intriguing car. Honda just changed all the trim lines this last month.

• The only ICE Turbo is the lowest trim, the S for 580,000 baht.

• The other 3 trims are all HEV with the highest trim, the RS HEV, cost 750,000 baht.

But the City is really small, I probably should consider something bigger my issue is I probably won't be driving it more than 10,000 km a year. The Mazda CX-3 has way better clearance probably much easier and more comfortable to drive. I can buy the lowest trim as it has cloth seats which I like better than faux leather anyway.

Just go sit in everything you like to look at, drive everything you like to sit it, and buy what you like best.

10,000 km a year, milage does not matter.

12 hours ago, Furioso said:

Yes, I like the HRV better than the Corolla Cross too.

The City Hatchback is an intriguing car. Honda just changed all the trim lines this last month.

• The only ICE Turbo is the lowest trim, the S for 580,000 baht.

• The other 3 trims are all HEV with the highest trim, the RS HEV, cost 750,000 baht.

But the City is really small, I probably should consider something bigger my issue is I probably won't be driving it more than 10,000 km a year. The Mazda CX-3 has way better clearance probably much easier and more comfortable to drive. I can buy the lowest trim as it has cloth seats which I like better than faux leather anyway.

Try the city first. There is a ton of room in it. I can easily sit behind my driving position and I'm 186 cm. It's really big inside actually. The cx3 is way smaller inside. I don't think the cx3 has much more ground clearance than the city. And the petrol consumption will not match the city. We paid 740K for the rs city turbo. I think the top spec hev is worth a look at. The hrv has better ground clearance so if it floods badly in your area, I'd consider that. I had a civic at one time and the carpet got flooded due to bad road flooding. That's what made me decide to get the crv.

13 hours ago, Furioso said:

Yes, I like the HRV better than the Corolla Cross too.

The City Hatchback is an intriguing car. Honda just changed all the trim lines this last month.

• The only ICE Turbo is the lowest trim, the S for 580,000 baht.

• The other 3 trims are all HEV with the highest trim, the RS HEV, cost 750,000 baht.

But the City is really small, I probably should consider something bigger my issue is I probably won't be driving it more than 10,000 km a year. The Mazda CX-3 has way better clearance probably much easier and more comfortable to drive. I can buy the lowest trim as it has cloth seats which I like better than faux leather anyway.

Top spec city should be an alcantara style seat covering. Mine was anyway.

Did you have a look at the Nissan Kicks ePower? Has a gasoline engine that powers a battery, then the battery powers the electro motor. Starts at 790'000 up to 900'000 Same class as the Yaris Cross.

The All-New NISSAN KICKS e-POWER | Nissan Motor (Thailand)

https://www.lamborghini.com/en-en/models/urus

That Urus is a really nice car. My buddy in California has one and we took it down to my daughters wedding in Big Sur last year. Great drive to say the least.

9 hours ago, DavisH said:

Top spec city should be an alcantara style seat covering. Mine was anyway.

That would be nice but now the higher-end models feature a combination of suede, leatherette (synthetic leather), and fabric combi-trimmed seats with red stitching rather than branded Alcantara

3 hours ago, Cenovis said:

Did you have a look at the Nissan Kicks ePower? Has a gasoline engine that powers a battery, then the battery powers the electro motor. Starts at 790'000 up to 900'000 Same class as the Yaris Cross.

The All-New NISSAN KICKS e-POWER | Nissan Motor (Thailand)

Yes, I checked out Kingsley's YouTube review(thaiautonews) it seems like a good car, very good gas mileage. Seems like it's marketed more towards female buyers I prefer something more sporty. However, if Nissan still made the Note I would consider buying one because I test drove one of those years ago and I really liked it.

45 minutes ago, Furioso said:

That would be nice but now the higher-end models feature a combination of suede, leatherette (synthetic leather), and fabric combi-trimmed seats with red stitching rather than branded Alcantara

The seating surface is like alcantara/suede, probably some artificial leather on the sides. It's best to set a budget, and try a variety of models. Stick with hybrid if possible, as they get better city mileage. But if you don't drive a lot its not so important.

On 8/12/2026 at 5:51 PM, Furioso said:

Yes, that's good info about the Hybrids performance in the hills and the more I look at buying a new vehicle I think Hybrid is the way to go. We're at the point where people are demanding every car have at least a Hybrid option. So, for now, this eliminates the Mazda CX3 and CX30 but Mazda will probably bring the Hybrid versions of these cars to Thailand next year.

I have a neighbor who bought the MG HS for about 900,000 three years ago. I've ridden in it many times and overall it's a good car but now he wants to sell it and the resale value is horrible. Because of this I'm never buying an MG.

I watched a Yaris Cross YouTube review today and I'm surprised it checks almost all the boxes. It's a Hybrid, multi camera, fantastic gas mileage 26km-30km per liter, roomy back seat & trunk, kick gesture. Cons would be a little noisy/harsh ride but that's par for the course for a car that's approx 900,000 baht. Nice, reliable vehicle for someone who has mobility issues.

An extra 300,000 baht gets you an Honda HRV or Toyota Corolla Cross. Both Hybrids, multi camera, roomier, approx 19km per liter gas mileage. Probably can't lose with either, definitely more upscale compared to the Yaris Cross.

For me right now the Honda City RS Hatchback is in the lead. It has almost everything you can think of plus those magic seats. I'm going to test drive it to see if I really like it or not. If not I'm going to test drive the Yaris Cross and Honda HRV.

But yes, for you I think the Yaris Cross is to be considered and if it turns out to be to rough then maybe move up to the HRV or Corolla Cross and keep in mind the Mazda Hybrids are just around the corner. Those Mazda's have the best interiors!

Go with Honda hybrid, great build quality, high torque (for those hills) and one of the best for residual value

4 hours ago, Wotsup said:

Go with Honda hybrid, great build quality, high torque (for those hills) and one of the best for residual value

I admit its hard to beat Honda. I really like the Honda City 1L Turbo but I saw a YouTube video for the guy was really getting 10km/l in the Manila traffic.

So yes, the Honda Hybrid makes a lot of practical sense as it probably gets between 20-25km/l.

My 4WD FJ & 2WD CRV both get around 10.2

Yaris gets 16.8

Overengineered economy car.

Peak 'yota. 😄

Corolla is nice extra cash

2 hours ago, Furioso said:

I admit its hard to beat Honda. I really like the Honda City 1L Turbo but I saw a YouTube video for the guy was really getting 10km/l in the Manila traffic.

So yes, the Honda Hybrid makes a lot of practical sense as it probably gets between 20-25km/l.

I don't believe the 10km/l, but sitting in traffic with the AC on I guess it's possible.

My 2.8l Fortuner gets over 11km/l in Bangkok.

My '89 Ford Festiva got 39MPG/16.6km/l in Los Angeles

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

I don't believe the 10km/l, but sitting in traffic with the AC on I guess it's possible.

My 2.8l Fortuner gets over 11km/l in Bangkok.

My '89 Ford Festiva got 39MPG/16.6km/l in Los Angeles

Here's the breakdown for Honda City Turbo:

1. Highway Driving: Around 19 to 22.7 km/L at steady cruising speeds.

2. Mixed / Eco Driving: Around 18 to 21 km/L under normal combined use.

3. Heavy City Traffic: Drops to about 7 to 10 km/L during rush-hour congestion

7 minutes ago, Furioso said:

Here's the breakdown for Honda City Turbo:

1. Highway Driving: Around 19 to 22.7 km/L at steady cruising speeds.

2. Mixed / Eco Driving: Around 18 to 21 km/L under normal combined use.

3. Heavy City Traffic: Drops to about 7 to 10 km/L during rush-hour congestion

You said you only drive 10,000km a year. Where is most of that driving?

At 18km/l that's about B1,500 a month.

I have filled the Fortuner 195 time1,5s in 9 years, the last six years in Bangkok. The worst milage I ever got on a tank was 9.98, the best was 14.31, the long-term average is 10.94.

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

You said you only drive 10,000km a year. Where is most of that driving?

At 18km/l that's about B1,500 a month.

I have filled the Fortuner 195 time1,5s in 9 years, the last six years in Bangkok. The worst milage I ever got on a tank was 9.98, the best was 14.31, the long-term averag

Yes, I won't be doing a lot of driving but will always have the option to take a long road trip to different parts of the country. Just seeing that Honda City display screen 8.8km/l in the YouTube video was just shocking.

I just found a website that lists Thailand subcompacts and their combined mileage and they all are at least 17km/l. City Turbo and City HEV are almost exactly the same!

https://www.headlightmag.com/2024-02-24-acceleration-fuel-consumption-honda-city-hatchback-minorchange-rs/

27 minutes ago, Furioso said:

Yes, I won't be doing a lot of driving but will always have the option to take a long road trip to different parts of the country. Just seeing that Honda City display screen 8.8km/l in the YouTube video was just shocking.

The meter adjusts continuously, if you let it idle for a few minute, it recalculates.

27 minutes ago, Furioso said:

I just found a website that lists Thailand subcompacts and their combined mileage and they all are at least 17km/l. City Turbo and City HEV are almost exactly the same!

https://www.headlightmag.com/2024-02-24-acceleration-fuel-consumption-honda-city-hatchback-minorchange-rs/

Unless you drive a lot, fuel savings alone will rarely offset the additional cost of a hybrid.

If you don't have a private EV wall charger at your home....

If you plan to do long trips all over the country and in some remote areas where there will be no EV charging points at the local petrol station...

If you plan to leave your car undriven for many months...

Forget EV..

It I wanted to switch to EV, for sure, I would give BYD a try as I have often used Grab's driving BYD's...these cars that are dead cheap are a real luxury and a great showcase to promote EV véhicles. Not to mention that they have a solid dealership-repair network all over with Chinese style military efficiency and discipline. Efficency that you may not find even in some european swanky brand dealership nowdays.

If going for a hybrid fuel, I would first check where the model I want is made and also look up the breakdown stats and mainly how the local dealership handles the servicing and maintenance. Always remember that you can have a reliable brand but with problems on a specific model that's made in some outsourced country nearby.

Edited August 20Aug 20 by Sigmund

20 minutes ago, Sigmund said:

If you don't have a private EV wall charger at your home....

If you plan to do long trips all over the country and in some remote areas where there will be no EV charging points at the local petrol station...

If you plan to leave your car undriven for many months...

Forget EV..

It I wanted to switch to EV, for sure, I would give BYD a try as I have often used Grab's driving BYD's...these cars that are dead cheap are a real luxury and a great showcase to promote EV véhicles. Not to mention that they have a solid dealership-repair network all over with Chinese style military efficiency and discipline. Efficency that you may not find even in some european swanky brand dealership nowdays.

If going for a hybrid fuel, I would first check where the model I want is made and also look up the breakdown stats and mainly how the local dealership handles the servicing and maintenance. Always remember that you can have a reliable brand but with problems on a specific model that's made in some outsourced country nearby.

I could get the City Turbo but they don't have the RS Turbo anymore they now only have the lowest grade S Turbo. It wouldn't have nearly the features of the RS Hybrid.

Also, Turbo's run really hot I'd have to change the oil quite often..not a huge deal especially here in Thailand but it is something to consider. I bought a wrecked Civic Si back in the U.S. but made sure to change the oil religiously and over 4 years not one problem.

I know the City Hybrid had some issues I forget exactly what they are though. Still, I've had 8 or 9 Honda's I've never had any major issues with any of them.

Ultimately it will take a test drive of both the Turbo and HEV to see which one I may/will buy.

36 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The meter adjusts continuously, if you let it idle for a few minute, it recalculates.

Unless you drive a lot, fuel savings alone will rarely offset the additional cost of a hybrid.

I agree it's not a huge deal except Honda just dropped their Turbo RS last month and now we can only get the Turbo in the lowest grade, which is now called "Honda City Hatchback Turbo S". It now has a lot less features than before.

8 minutes ago, Furioso said:

I could get the City Turbo but they don't have the RS Turbo anymore they now only have the lowest grade S Turbo. It wouldn't have nearly the features of the RS Hybrid.

Also, Turbo's run really hot I'd have to change the oil quite often..not a huge deal especially here in Thailand but it is something to consider. I bought a wrecked Civic Si back in the U.S. but made sure to change the oil religiously and over 4 years not one problem.

I know the City Hybrid had some issues I forget exactly what they are though. Still, I've had 8 or 9 Honda's I've never had any major issues with any of them.

Ultimately it will take a test drive of both the Turbo and HEV to see which one I may/will buy.

At 10,000 km a year, you'll have to change the oil every six months thought the warranty, and once a year after that.

Most car mfg make you buy the hybrid to get all the high-margin options.

15 minutes ago, Furioso said:

I agree it's not a huge deal except Honda just dropped their Turbo RS last month and now we can only get the Turbo in the lowest grade, which is now called "Honda City Hatchback Turbo S". It now has a lot less features than before.

We have never gotten anywhere near 10km/l in out city turbo, though we don't often go into Bangkok. I think the average is more like 17-19km/l over mixed driving (a but less than our swift that was modified). The hybrid will do better,. especially in city driving. The turbo does need its oil changed on schedule, as it has a belt in oil system. The belt should be changed ab about 100K kms. But the hybrid has a 1.5L engine so it's not the same. I've not read of any major issues with the hybrid car. I think eventually fully ICE hondas will be phased out.