2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

There was a 51% spike in tourists from Israel in Phuket in July, compared to last year. They will dominate tourism in Phuket, as they do in Pai now.

Just a question of time, unless something is done.

Good. Push out the Russians.:) On a More serious note, weren't these nationalalistic locals adamant they were NOT targeting any nation in their grievances?

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Is going to Pai and not seeing too many Jews for your delicate tastes that imporant to you?

Thailand is a good sized country and the areas that indeed do have a high concentration of Israelis are few and far between.

This "Israeli problem" is clearly WAY OVERBLOWN.

Israelis, not Jews. Don't conflate the two. There has always been an Israeli problem.

I'm living on Phangan Island, which might as well be called Tel Aviv on Sea, because the vast majority of foreigners are Israeli. I have absolutely no problem with elderly Israelis (not seen any!), Israeli families with kids (plenty of those). But I do feel 'heavy in my heart' when sitting at a restaurant next to IDF or ex-IDF males.

Did he murder an innocent Gazan child last week? I prefer to eat elsewhere......

13 minutes ago, simon43 said:

I'm living on Phangan Island, which might as well be called Tel Aviv on Sea, because the vast majority of foreigners are Israeli. I have absolutely no problem with elderly Israelis (not seen any!), Israeli families with kids (plenty of those). But I do feel 'heavy in my heart' when sitting at a restaurant next to IDF or ex-IDF males.

Did he murder an innocent Gazan child last week? I prefer to eat elsewhere......

Okay, that's a little too much drama queen nonsense and judgemental stuff really... don't make assumptions about people you haven't even spoken to, judge them on your interactions with them. You could always not judge them instantly, as even very wise people do not know all ends. Let it go and you'll be happier because you are not clouding your mind with dark imaginings through superficial nonsense like social media. Free your mind and you backside will follow.

3 hours ago, DeaconJohn said:

No, not at all.

Courteous, well-behaved people are always welcome.

What governments should do, in the interest of their own citizens, is keep out massive influxes of people from failed states who have no interest whatsoever in assimilating and want to plant their flags on other folks' land.

Are they really that bad? Do you have many personal experiences with nasty Israeli tourists? I have never had a confrontation with an Israeli. I've seen rude interactions but those are rare and easy to get over. Maybe it is specific to Phuket and nearby islands?

4 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

Okay, that's a little too much drama queen nonsense and judgemental stuff really... don't make assumptions about people you haven't even spoken to, judge them on your interactions with them. You could always not judge them instantly, as even very wise people do not know all ends. Let it go and you'll be happier because you are not clouding your mind with dark imaginings through superficial nonsense like social media. Free your mind and you backside will follow.

To comment: IDF participation is compulsory for all non-Arab Israelis, male and female, excepting some religious groups. The large numbers of young Israeli men on the island are almost all IDF or ex-IDF, that's a fact. The 10 largest 'wellness' centres on the island are owned/established by Israelis (check this for yourself on 'Google').

Why should this island be the R&R destination for these soldiers? I have absolutely zero interest in the conflict between fighting age adults in the Middle East. But when it involves documented murders of kids (on both sides), then it would take a hardened person not to have negative feelings about this.

7 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

Okay, that's a little too much drama queen nonsense and judgemental stuff really... don't make assumptions about people you haven't even spoken to, judge them on your interactions with them. You could always not judge them instantly, as even very wise people do not know all ends. Let it go and you'll be happier because you are not clouding your mind with dark imaginings through superficial nonsense like social media. Free your mind and you backside will follow.

Your post certainly meets the criteria of your initial description.

I think most who have commented have judged them on the behaviour and interactions.

As far back as I can remember, in Thailand, there has always been an Israeli issue. Rude and arrogant. That was in the '90s. It's nothing new, other than the problem becoming progressively worse.

4 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Are they really that bad? Do you have many personal experiences with nasty Israeli tourists? I have never had a confrontation with an Israeli. I've seen rude interactions but those are rare and easy to get over. Maybe it is specific to Phuket and nearby islands?

They congregate in certain areas, yes.

Bangkok

Chiang Mai

Koh Phangan

Surat Thani

Koh Samui

Nonthaburi

Pai

Phuket

3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

There was a 51% spike in tourists from Israel in Phuket in July, compared to last year. They will dominate tourism in Phuket, as they do in Pai now.

Just a question of time, unless something is done.

Why does anything need to be done to prevent any nationality to dominate any specific region of Thailand? You are explicitly bigoted towards one group.

Well, being reasonable and objective is obviously far too much of an ask for the fanatics on this forum. Good luck haters as you'll always hate and live in a negative bubble... must be a sad existence.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Why does anything need to be done to prevent any nationality to dominate any specific region of Thailand? You are explicitly bigoted towards one group.

Is that a serious question? You think that foreigners should be allowed to dominate parts of Thailand?

37 minutes ago, simon43 said:

I'm living on Phangan Island, which might as well be called Tel Aviv on Sea, because the vast majority of foreigners are Israeli. I have absolutely no problem with elderly Israelis (not seen any!), Israeli families with kids (plenty of those). But I do feel 'heavy in my heart' when sitting at a restaurant next to IDF or ex-IDF males.

Did he murder an innocent Gazan child last week? I prefer to eat elsewhere......

Why not ask him ?

2 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

Well, being reasonable and objective is obviously far too much of an ask for the fanatics on this forum. Good luck haters as you'll always hate and live in a negative bubble... must be a sad existence.

Are you asserting that there isn't a problem with Israelis in Thailand?

Just now, G-String said:

They congregate in certain areas, yes.

Bangkok

Chiang Mai

Koh Phangan

Surat Thani

Koh Samui

Nonthaburi

Pai

Phuket

Thanks! I have been here 25 years and much of that in Chiang Mai. Never had a confrontation or saw them behaving poorly in Chiang Mai. Not saying it doesn't happen.

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Did you really miss the posts about the behaviour of the Chabads?

Unfortunately on this subject your bias is preventing you from reading.

Pot kettle black.

Problems with Chabad?

Enforce Thai laws and fix the probems.

No need to ban Chabad.

Chabad's mission is to provide religious services and community to traveling Jews all over the world.

To ban Chabad anywhere would be an attack on freedom of religion.

Are you against freedom of religion?

I'm not even though I am not religious. I support freedom of religion and also freedom of no religion.

Cheers.

Just now, atpeace said:

Thanks! I have been here 25 years and much of that in Chiang Mai. Never had a confrontation or saw them behaving poorly in Chiang Mai. Not saying it doesn't happen.

To be fair, I didn't notice any in Chiang Mai either.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Pot kettle black.

Problems with Chabad?

Enforce Thai laws and fix the probems.

No need to ban Chabad.

Chabad's mission is to provide religious services and community to traveling Jews all over the world.

To ban Chabad anywhere would be an attack on freedom of religion.

Are you against freedom of religion?

I'm not even though I am not religious. I support freedom of religion and also freedom of no religion.

Cheers.

Perhaps they can have ONE Chabad House and they can all travel there on occasion.

3 minutes ago, G-String said:

Are you asserting that there isn't a problem with Israelis in Thailand?

Not as much as any other Nationality

5 minutes ago, G-String said:

Is that a serious question? You think that foreigners should be allowed to dominate parts of Thailand?

You're being absurd.

I live in Pattaya.

At all times I've been here one nationality of foreigner has been dominant.

It shifts.

It's only a problem if you hate the currently dominant nationality.

Just now, G-String said:

Perhaps they can have ONE Chabad House and they can all travel there on occasion.

That isn't your choice or decision to make .

Its nothing to do with you and its not your business .

Just now, G-String said:

Perhaps they can have ONE Chabad House and they can all travel there on occasion.

That's stupid.

Someone in Chaing Mai is supposed to travel down south for a religious service?

You may as well come out and say you hate Jews.

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

That isn't your choice or decision to make .

Its nothing to do with you and its not your business .

That's for what we are here to discuss. We'd have nothing to discuss anywhere on the forum if we were all to mind our own business.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

That's stupid.

Someone in Chaing Mai is supposed to travel down south for a religious service?

You may as well come out and say you hate Jews.

We are discussing the Israeli problem.

1 minute ago, G-String said:

We are discussing the Israeli problem.

I was discussing religious freedom.

Chabad does religious services for Jews.

Duh.

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Pot kettle black.

Problems with Chabad?

Enforce Thai laws and fix the probems.

No need to ban Chabad.

Chabad's mission is to provide religious services and community to traveling Jews all over the world.

To ban Chabad anywhere would be an attack on freedom of religion.

Are you against freedom of religion?

I'm not even though I am not religious. I support freedom of religion and also freedom of no religion.

Cheers.

Chabad is an ultra-right Israeli political group and should be banned as soon as possible.

"For years, Chabad was careful to brand itself as an apolitical movement – which has thousands of centers in Israel and around the world and a place inside the moderate Israeli mainstream – but the movement was tempted by the money, jobs and influence enjoyed by Shas and United Torah Judaism’s rabbis. Moreover, Chabad’s rightist and messianic ideology is also coming to the fore, along with an alliance with Itamar Ben-Gvir and his party."

However, a brief look at Chabad’s literature and ideology quickly reveals its clearly right-wing and messianic agenda — from unwavering support for the concept of Greater Israel and rejection of any negotiations with “the Arabs,” to a fundamental belief in messianic redemption.

“Chabad’s ideology is extremely rigid. They are very right wing but, on the other hand, they are not Zionists. It’s a very odd combination,” says writer and journalist Dov Elbaum. “There is a very strong mystical element. They are strong believers in the idea that God chose the Jewish people, and they have a racist conception of what it means to be God’s ‘Chosen People.’ It’s a perception that is akin to nationalism. But the state is not a factor when it comes to the holiness of the Land of Israel. The Lubavitcher Rebbe was not a Zionist. It’s a mystical concept.”

“Chabad has always been on the right of the political map,” Elbaum insists. “You can see it looking decades into the past. The leadership of the Rebbe was right wing. He always told his followers to vote for right-wing candidates.

When Israel’s far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir was in the United States late last month, Chabad Online – the official website of the global Jewish outreach movement – gave the visit extensive and enthusiastic coverage. The headlines on the site proclaimed that “Minister Ben-Gvir bolstered by Crown Heights activists” and that “Ben-Gvir gave a speech at 770” – a reference to Chabad Lubavitch World Headquarters, located at 770 Eastern Parkway.

Other headlines said that “Chabad’s representative in Miami backs Minister Ben-Gvir during visit to city” and “In the Rebbe’s light: Ben-Gvir prayed at Ohel Ha’kadosh,” the much-visited grave of the Lubavitcher Rebbe (Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson) in Queens, New York

Reports from Ben-Gvir’s meeting with Chabad members provides a rare opportunity to examine a relatively new political axis – one that has been taking shape over the past three years – between the Otzma Yehudit party and Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidic dynasty. Although there is no public perception of any intuitive link between the two, the fact is that they espouse similar ideological positions and the connection between them seems almost natural.

https://www.shomrim.news/eng/chabad-ben-gvir-alliance

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

To ban Chabad anywhere would be an attack on freedom of religion.

Disagree, since their main focus doesn't seem religion.

4 minutes ago, G-String said:

12 minutes ago, G-String said:

Is that a serious question? You think that foreigners should be allowed to dominate parts of Thailand?

4 minutes ago, G-String said:

Air your grievance to the appropriate authorities and ask them to do something about it. This thread concerns Israelis.

Just following on from you who first mentioned foreigners in general, rather than just Israelis

Edited August 30Aug 30 by Nick Carter icp

Just now, stevenl said:

Disagree, since their main focus doesn't seem religion.

I get you now.

Jews are OK with you ONLY if they agree with your tik tok ideology about the conflict there.

Again, I'm personally not a fan of Chabad but they are a very important organization for doing religious services for travelling Jews all over the world. Thus they will attract different sorts of Jews politically as usually where they are, there is no other place for Jewish worship as Jews are a people with a very tiny population globally.

Edited August 30Aug 30 by Jingthing

Just now, Jingthing said:

I get you now.

Jews are OK with you ONLY if they agree with your tik tok ideology about the conflict there.

Lol, you clearly don't get it. Your rigid thinking prevents you to understand anyone who doesn't fully agree with you.

Edited August 30Aug 30 by stevenl

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Disagree, since their main focus doesn't seem religion.

What is the Chabads main focus ?