yorkman Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 With all that was going on with Thailand war on drugs.... I don't think they would have a problem with interrogation of a non-thai terrorist.....I just wish that the News Media would stop trying to isolate America by making like harder for those who help US. They didn't do it with Clinton in office and they hate Bush and they are willing to punish Thailand for their hate of Bush.... I read 3 times, trying to relate any of this to reality or the the thread topic.. I give up A new one DID.. Drunk in Delaware?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointofview Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 (edited) With all that was going on with Thailand war on drugs.... I don't think they would have a problem with interrogation of a non-thai terrorist.....I just wish that the News Media would stop trying to isolate America by making like harder for those who help US. They didn't do it with Clinton in office and they hate Bush and they are willing to punish Thailand for their hate of Bush.... I read 3 times, trying to relate any of this to reality or the the thread topic.. I give up A new one DID.. Drunk in Delaware?? He is speaking in terms of 'fox news speak' I recognize some of the text from a GW speach. 'after all he tried to kill my daddy' - 'im gonna smoke him out - dead or alive' Edited December 27, 2007 by pointofview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulUSA302 Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 With all that was going on with Thailand war on drugs.... I don't think they would have a problem with interrogation of a non-thai terrorist.....I just wish that the News Media would stop trying to isolate America by making like harder for those who help US. They didn't do it with Clinton in office and they hate Bush and they are willing to punish Thailand for their hate of Bush.... I read 3 times, trying to relate any of this to reality or the the thread topic.. I give up A new one DID.. Drunk in Delaware?? This is how I relate it. During the war on drugs, people who the police had an interest in were turning up dead..... That told me something about Taksin.... So when an allie comes to him and asks if they can bring a suspected terrorist into Thailand to interrogate him secretly so that sleeper cells run buy him will not know that he has been compromised...... I can't see why the CIA would be refused..... I am going to limit my replies to you.... I mean I am glad that you are enjoying your posts but I don't enjoy being called names or being insulted... I am sensative that way.... I want to enjoy my time here too just like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkman Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 (edited) With all that was going on with Thailand war on drugs.... I don't think they would have a problem with interrogation of a non-thai terrorist.....I just wish that the News Media would stop trying to isolate America by making like harder for those who help US. They didn't do it with Clinton in office and they hate Bush and they are willing to punish Thailand for their hate of Bush.... I read 3 times, trying to relate any of this to reality or the the thread topic.. I give up A new one DID.. Drunk in Delaware?? He is speaking in terms of 'fox news speak' I recognize some of the text from a JW speach. 'after all he tried to kill my daddy' GW you mean? Ahh yes, the Muslims did it. Lets round 'em up and get with the cattle prods... they have the oil Edited December 27, 2007 by yorkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulUSA302 Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 With all that was going on with Thailand war on drugs.... I don't think they would have a problem with interrogation of a non-thai terrorist.....I just wish that the News Media would stop trying to isolate America by making like harder for those who help US. They didn't do it with Clinton in office and they hate Bush and they are willing to punish Thailand for their hate of Bush.... I read 3 times, trying to relate any of this to reality or the the thread topic.. I give up A new one DID.. Drunk in Delaware?? He is speaking in terms of 'fox news speak' I recognize some of the text from a JW speach. 'after all he tried to kill my daddy' You watch fox news? I love it! Tell me, what show do you watch the most to form your opinion on them? I will wait for your answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepe' Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 I like Fox news and watch it daily as well as CNN and BBC. I regard Fox as entertainment and an accurate barometer of how much pablum and BS people will swallow here in the US. You just have to be able to read between the lines. Or maybe easier to just not forget it's mostly been "spun." By the way it's not the American people but the government that is the real culprit. Same as all the rest of the world governments. It just goes to different varying degrees. Let's face it it all real just dirty business... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulUSA302 Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 With all that was going on with Thailand war on drugs.... I don't think they would have a problem with interrogation of a non-thai terrorist.....I just wish that the News Media would stop trying to isolate America by making like harder for those who help US. They didn't do it with Clinton in office and they hate Bush and they are willing to punish Thailand for their hate of Bush.... I read 3 times, trying to relate any of this to reality or the the thread topic.. I give up A new one DID.. Drunk in Delaware?? He is speaking in terms of 'fox news speak' I recognize some of the text from a GW speach. 'after all he tried to kill my daddy' - 'im gonna smoke him out - dead or alive' OK so so you guys win. I will return when the thread is back on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointofview Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 With all that was going on with Thailand war on drugs.... I don't think they would have a problem with interrogation of a non-thai terrorist.....I just wish that the News Media would stop trying to isolate America by making like harder for those who help US. They didn't do it with Clinton in office and they hate Bush and they are willing to punish Thailand for their hate of Bush.... I read 3 times, trying to relate any of this to reality or the the thread topic.. I give up A new one DID.. Drunk in Delaware?? He is speaking in terms of 'fox news speak' I recognize some of the text from a JW speach. 'after all he tried to kill my daddy' You watch fox news? I love it! Tell me, what show do you watch the most to form your opinion on them? I will wait for your answer I like fox news because it makes me laugh - but it also scares me to think that so many people think of it as the gospel! The BBC appeared to be a resonably unbiased news media at one time, although even they have dumbed down to near fox levels (fox being the bench mark for dumb). It isnt the biased views that are worrysome - thats understanable, they have an agenda - it is the level to which they have dumbed down. 'Is there anybody out there!!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkman Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 I like Fox news and watch it daily as well as CNN and BBC.I regard Fox as entertainment and an accurate barometer of how much pablum and BS people will swallow here in the US. You just have to be able to read between the lines. Or maybe easier to just not forget it's mostly been "spun." By the way it's not the American people but the government that is the real culprit. Same as all the rest of the world governments. It just goes to different varying degrees. Let's face it it all real just dirty business... It's so. Sadly. I just regard PaulUSA302 as entertainment. Same Same as they say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkman Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 'Is there anybody out there!!' There is, don't worry...... I moved to Thailand partially to get away from these nutters, don't tell my wife!! That could be a mistake, she has an account here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointofview Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 (edited) 'Is there anybody out there!!' There is, don't worry...... I moved to Thailand partially to get away from these nutters, don't tell my wife!! That could be a mistake, she has an account here I want to go back - i want to take the green pill (or is it the red - you know the one that lets you live in fantasy land). I was happy there - i cant cope knowing that so many of my fellow humans have been hypnoticaly lobotomized. I just want to watch fox and believe it - they seem happy! Edited December 27, 2007 by pointofview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkman Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 I want to go back - i want to take the green pill (or is it the red - you know the one that lets you live in fantasy land). I was happy there - i cant cope knowing that so many of my fellow humans have been hypnoticaly labotamised. I just want to watch fox and believe it - they seem happy! Ahhh..they are happy, as long as they can sneer at fellow human beings, "observe" them, and are happy with the hypnotism. Or, of course, believe all they see on the media, including the Thai in english media, who seem to go out of their way to belittle dissenting opinion. Strange that eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointofview Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 I want to go back - i want to take the green pill (or is it the red - you know the one that lets you live in fantasy land). I was happy there - i cant cope knowing that so many of my fellow humans have been hypnoticaly labotamised. I just want to watch fox and believe it - they seem happy! Ahhh..they are happy, as long as they can sneer at fellow human beings, "observe" them, and are happy with the hypnotism. Or, of course, believe all they see on the media, including the Thai in english media, who seem to go out of their way to belittle dissenting opinion. Strange that eh? Yeah, but as GW said: 'if your not with us then your against us' So to be a true patriot we must not question anything. A good patriot knows more about the 'Simpsons' than the 'First Amendment' - dont you see you fool we are bad machines! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulUSA302 Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 With all that was going on with Thailand war on drugs.... I don't think they would have a problem with interrogation of a non-thai terrorist.....I just wish that the News Media would stop trying to isolate America by making like harder for those who help US. They didn't do it with Clinton in office and they hate Bush and they are willing to punish Thailand for their hate of Bush.... I read 3 times, trying to relate any of this to reality or the the thread topic.. I give up A new one DID.. Drunk in Delaware?? He is speaking in terms of 'fox news speak' I recognize some of the text from a JW speach. 'after all he tried to kill my daddy' You watch fox news? I love it! Tell me, what show do you watch the most to form your opinion on them? I will wait for your answer I like fox news because it makes me laugh - but it also scares me to think that so many people think of it as the gospel! The BBC appeared to be a resonably unbiased news media at one time, although even they have dumbed down to near fox levels (fox being the bench mark for dumb). It isnt the biased views that are worrysome - thats understanable, they have an agenda - it is the level to which they have dumbed down. 'Is there anybody out there!!' There are only a small few that are news reporting segments on Fox news. Most of the programs on fox news are News Debate Forums. I enjoy them. Is there any news service out there that does not have an agenda? I find that the person who reports the news often has a point of view and reports from that angle. I love to go from one Thai news website to another to read different reporters perspective on the same news event. I wish we had more of that here in the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkman Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 dont you see you fool we are bad machines! only some... see up for one who does not dare to respond (it seems) to a diametrically opposite point of view ( see post 85) I suspect a troll, or being more charitable DID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulUSA302 Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 So... when you go up against a Thai Visa clique your labeled a Troll... LOL Well I am hurt but I will carry on and continue to post my point of view and share information. If those in the attack and insult clique choose to ignore me..... Well..... I will try to survive on here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endure Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 If this thread doesn't return very quickly to the original subject it will be closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointofview Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 I forgot what the original topic was about - its just there is nothing on the telly ( i would normally say TV - but this being TV i said telly) Anyhow thanks Endure you have been patient May i suggest that any interested parties move to the new dont bash americans thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endure Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 I forgot what the original topic was about - its just there is nothing on the telly ( i would normally say TV - but this being TV i said telly)Anyhow thanks Endure you have been patient May i suggest that any interested parties move to the new dont bash americans thread I would very strongly suggest that you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevemiddie Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 (edited) Slightly back on topic...................I don,t know who quoted this............maybe you can tell me? " We sleep well at night because ROUGH men guard the gates" ? EDIT ! I just found the quote.............but it does not say who said it. "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." Edited December 27, 2007 by stevemiddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endure Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Slightly back on topic...................I don,t know who quoted this............maybe you can tell me?" We sleep well at night because ROUGH men guard the gates" ? EDIT ! I just found the quote.............but it does not say who said it. "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." George Orwell, Rudyard Kipling, Winston Churchill or Jack Nicholson depending on which version you're talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulUSA302 Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 I just found the quote.............but it does not say who said it. "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." I don't know who said those words..... But I wonder what the average Thai has to say about Thailand working with the CIA on interrogating known terrorist? Does anyone have a link to a Thai perspective written in English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointofview Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Slightly back on topic...................I don,t know who quoted this............maybe you can tell me?" We sleep well at night because ROUGH men guard the gates" ? EDIT ! I Take your pick: People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Alternative: "We sleep safely at night because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would harm us." In his 1945 "Notes on Nationalism", Orwell did state that, for the pacifist type of a nationalist, the notion that "Those who ‘abjure’ violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf." is impossible to accept. "Notes on Nationalism" Notes: allegedly said by George Orwell although there is no evidence that Orwell ever wrote or uttered either of these versions of this idea. They do bear some similarity to comments made in an essay that Orwell wrote on Rudyard Kipling, when quoting from one of his poems."Yes, making mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep" - Rudyard Kipling (Tommy) "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it." - Jack Nicholson (A Few Good Men) [*]Alternative: "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." - Winston Churchill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevemiddie Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 I just found the quote.............but it does not say who said it. "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." I don't know who said those words..... But I wonder what the average Thai has to say about Thailand working with the CIA on interrogating known terrorist? Does anyone have a link to a Thai perspective written in English? The average Thai wouldn,t know and would probably not care. And the quote is by George Orwell. Thank goodness for Wikipedia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevemiddie Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Now this topic is more interesting. I like the quote because in some ways I believe it justifies interrogation. Flame away ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkman Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 But I wonder what the average Thai has to say about Thailand working with the CIA on interrogating known terrorist?Does anyone have a link to a Thai perspective written in English? The "average Thai" and here shows your level of misunderstanding, has absolutely nothing to say about this. But then this would be generalising again, would'nt it? There is no such thing, unless you want to profile them, be superior or whatever rings your bell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farang prince Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 This thread should have been closed two days ago. I've never read so much unadulterated bullshit in my life. Shame on all of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevemiddie Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 (edited) This thread should have been closed two days ago. I've never read so much unadulterated bullshit in my life. Shame on all of you. Can you give a reason please? I would like to think that its a debate, different views on events........freedom of speech, lively discussion. DEMOCRACY in action. But hey......close it down sure....because you don,t like it. No problem..........stop reading. Edited December 27, 2007 by stevemiddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointofview Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 (edited) Now this topic is more interesting. I like the quote because in some ways I believe it justifies interogation. Flame away ! Interrogation ok - but torture and murder no. There seems to be a big debate in the US re. wether so called 'water boarding' is torture' or just plain old interrogation. Yeah, its ok to torture them but not me!! Seems that many people have now been convinced that what happens to others can be justified - i dont believe you have to torture people to make them talk. Put me in a dark room for a few hours and take away my mobile phone and i will tell you what i know! Edited December 27, 2007 by pointofview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 (edited) I find Aljazeera English much more "fair and balanced" than Fox News. The USA under Bush wants her cake and to eat it too. She cannot claim to hold any moral superiority above "terrorists" if she does not hold herself to a higher moral standard, the Geneva convention would be a start, for things like torture. Edited December 27, 2007 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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