Beaten Up For New Year's Eve

[rrrulio]

Sorry english isn.t my native language oh and right forum I hope.

Hi,

Last night, new year's eve, me and a group of expats friend ( 8 total ) went to the Mandarin club in Nana Plaza to finish the night.

A majority of the guys in this group are regular customers of the place and big spenders, leaving 15K+ bills regularly.

One of the guys disagreed on a 125 bahts vodka bill, he paid it, everyone saw him pay it but one of the mamasan insisted that he didn't.

No big deal the night went on ( as usual quite a few bottles were opened and paid for ).

Except that when the 125 bahts bill guy went to the bathroom he got assaulted by the "security service" dragged outside and badly beaten up, blood pouring all over the place and so on... Lucky for him I was leaving the place with my thai gf and we stopped the beating. ( of course no explanation, no "pay now or we hit you")

So if you want to get beaten up for a small side bill you already have paid, I strongly recommend The "mandarin club" in Nana Plaza.

I'd like some infos on legal options to handle this too if there is any.

[funfun]

not saying youre wrong so dont take this that way but,

2 sides to every story

just cos he big spender not mean him a nice man

you go in there a lot cos you see them in there so this must be a first for you to see

when you go back in there just ask mama sang what she says he did?

you never know you might change ya mind

cha cha

[dekka007]

When your at these sort of places especially Nana more than the other areas. Just pay the extra 125 baht think of it as a tip.... Seen it too many times just not worth the chance of been brain damaged by the so-called gogo bar security. You have to think about where you are. You are in a violent city in a red-light district notorious for violence and drugs and corruption - common sense you don't make a scene over pocket change. You will never win.

Just pay it.

I'd like some infos on legal options to handle this too if there is any.

Forget it. No one saw anything, heard anything. You have to put it down to experience as much as it pains I am afraid.

Edited January 1, 2008 by dekka007

[PadThaiGuy]

Nana is worse than Pat Pong these days. One ripoff after another.

[rrrulio]

not saying youre wrong so dont take this that way but,

2 sides to every story

just cos he big spender not mean him a nice man

you go in there a lot cos you see them in there so this must be a first for you to see

when you go back in there just ask mama sang what she says he did?

you never know you might change ya mind

cha cha

The explanation to my thai gf was : He didn't pay. I gave them the 125bahts it was the only matter.

[funfun]

not saying youre wrong so dont take this that way but,

2 sides to every story

just cos he big spender not mean him a nice man

you go in there a lot cos you see them in there so this must be a first for you to see

when you go back in there just ask mama sang what she says he did?

you never know you might change ya mind

cha cha

The explanation to my thai gf was : He didn't pay. I gave them the 125bahts it was the only matter.

fair comment, sounds like a no, go, go, !

[mrtoad]

Nana is worse than Pat Pong these days. One ripoff after another.

Yep, agree there. In the last few years it has got increasingly worse. It is an area that I stay well clear of, and also warn any of my visitors from overseas not to go there. Too much hassle, scams and aggression.

[blizzard]

so you guys keep that place solvent.

less than attractive wimmen is wot this bar specializes in............lol. the kind one would find in a ukdocumentary about the industry.

Edited January 1, 2008 by blizzard

[Scott]

I've seen this before--not exactly the same way, but the 'kill the goose that lays the golden egg' sort of thing. For a few baht they will lose thousands. Sorry to hear about your friend.

[chiang mai]

There was a story on TV some while back about a guy who get beat up very badly outside Mandarin and was in hospital for several weeks. Turns out the farang was a lawyer back home and he was so incensed by it all that he went through the courts here in Thailand to get compensation and won. The only part of the story I can remember well is that when asked why he spent so much time and effort going through with the case he said, "I did it so that others would know what Mandarin is really like". Anyone recall the story?

[seonai]

I think that if you play in these joints you have to accept that trouble may follow if you don't tow the line on all counts

Google the place, there is a lot on it on the Net

Sorry for the guy that was beaten if he was innocent but again... play in dodgy places.........

[britmaveric]

Nana is ok, just have to keep your wits about you. Never get legless in one of these places or you will be taken advantage.

[blizzard]

why wouldnt the landlord frown on bars who beat up customers?

[donna]

is it just me or what? if you are hanging around in bars full of hookers, you can expect that they certainly arent the 'nicest' of places to hang around, and one would have the expectation of them being a tad rough. i mean (yes, i know this is thailand) who would hang around in a bar full of hookers in their own country and call it a 'nice' night out?

im so sorry for the man who was beaten up. he did not deserve it. for 125 baht, these thugs should have the same thing done to them. this attitude of 'its only 125thb why not just pay it' could be turned around to say to the thugs 'its only 125thb just dont worry about it'.

amazing thailand? disgusting i would say.

[PattayaParent]

why wouldnt the landlord frown on bars who beat up customers?

'Cos he gets paid his rent money whether they beat up customers or not.

[dekka007]

I did hear that the particular guy that was beaten up has been known not to pay his bills in other bars in that area according to the service staff.

Edited January 2, 2008 by dekka007

[blizzard]

donna you r mistaken.

bars in los r nice places to hang out thats y people keep cumming back.

got to be more to story than 125 baht disagreement!

if im landlord i dont want people beaten up on property, it may scare customers away. no customers bar no can pay rent......khao jai mai!

[Travel2003]

Nana is ok, just have to keep your wits about you. Never get legless in one of these places or you will be taken advantage.

Agree.

Some years back, in my early days I went a lot there.

Never any trouble.

These days when I got visitors from back home, and they want to see these famous (or infamous) areas, I bring them there.

Never ever have I witnessed any fights or beatings there.

However, I believe a red light district would attract a lot of the same people, trouble, or employees, nomatter what city it was in.

[rrrulio]

I did hear that the particular guy that was beaten up has been known not to pay his bills in other bars in that area according to the service staff.

That's complete bullshit. The guy is not not at all a regular of the area ( a friend of the group of regulars ).He went there cause it was New year's eve... Seriously do you expect an honest story from the service staff?

Next week they are going to say that he tried to rape one of the girls in the bathroom....

got to be more to story than 125 baht disagreement!

Sadly there is nothing else. You seem to underestimate the stupidity and violence of those guys...

I understand your doubts I would doubt too just reading about it on internet, but I was there and those guys are nothing but vicious monkeys.

Edited January 2, 2008 by rrrulio

[Ijustwannateach]

The rhetoric on this thread is going downhill. Let's not put inflammatory words in each others' mouths, use racist-sounding labels for persons we don't like, etc.

"S"

[Prakanong]

donna you r mistaken.

bars in los r nice places to hang out thats y people keep cumming back.

got to be more to story than 125 baht disagreement!

if im landlord i dont want people beaten up on property, it may scare customers away. no customers bar no can pay rent......khao jai mai!

I take it by landlord you mean in the public house sense and not as in the property owners and their multi-level tenants below this?

Mandarin is a Crown Group place I think - along with g-spot, fantasia etc etc - once the biggest group in Nana but mostly empty bar's now for good reason.

Group of owners and bullshitte hangers on it used to be with one son and a poncy name even being manager once. Certain guys being disbarred lawyers claiming to be members of rich UK families etc etc.

They would not care what happened to a customer - not long ago since one fo their customers was glassed outside G-Spot and this sort of thing has been going on for more than a decade.

[geriatrickid]

I was staying a couple blocks away this past weekend and wanted to go and do the touristy thing. My Thai friend who was with me, said he'd walk by first and check it out while I was showering. He came back and with a rather stern face, said we weren't going. I was sort of peeved about that and called him an old lady. I had to settle for Silom shopping and the fire on Soi 11 for my excitement that night. Reading these posts, I have to do 2 things; 1) Thank my friend for being a good friend and 2) Thank the people that posted. You guys probably prevented a few people from some unwanted hassles.

[Furbie]

I stopped going to Mandarin a while ago when my 100 baht in change wound up in the tip jar before it ever got back to me. No amount of discussion with the waitress or the manager would get me my change. What a foolish thing to do, steal a hundred baht from someone who has been brining friends and clients there for a long time. That was the end of that bar for me. In truth, I have not been to NaNa in a while. Let's face it, NaNa is a no go these days. It is sad to see after all the excitement the place has generated in the past. Even if a few bars manage to improve, the place itself is a disaster.

[tijnebijn]

It won't surprise me that those security guys are just looking

for a 'victim' , just beating the crap out of somebody is probably

just a sport for them , a fun thing you could call it for those

prehistoric mammals .

Another thing on my mind is that why so many people especially farang like to go

out in these kind of places surrounded by liars and prostitutes , I could not imagine

the energy surrounding this place , I don't feel sorry at all for the guy , I'm sorry .

[guru]

Witnessed an angry bouncer chasing a guy running out of the plaza who then threw a beer bottle narrowingly missing the chaps head. There was a uniformed cop right there as in a few metres away who didnt do or say a thing nor was he asked to.

I got stung in one of the top floor bars and refused to pay the extra. I just sat outside and told them to call the tourist police. Dont know if its true but someone told me the tourist police charge the bar if theyre called in. Anyway they didnt call the police but fetched the plaza management who listened to my story and the waitressess. I said I would pay what I drank but refused to pay what I didnt owe and the management said I could go. Another bar and maybe it wouldnt have been a happy ending, the goons might have just dished it out there and then so dont think Im offering any advice.

The other night a large, mean looking security guy from Bamboo Bar was itching to get a piece of a rude arab who the waitress mistakingly thought wasnt going to pay. The arab was loud and rude to the waitress but even I understood he was going to pay after he washed his hands.

Edited January 3, 2008 by guru

[Prakanong]

Witnessed an angry bouncer chasing a guy running out of the plaza who then threw a beer bottle narrowingly missing the chaps head. There was a uniformed cop right there as in a few metres away who didnt do or say a thing nor was he asked to.

I got stung in one of the top floor bars and refused to pay the extra. I just sat outside and told them to call the tourist police. Dont know if its true but someone told me the tourist police charge the bar if theyre called in. Anyway they didnt call the police but fetched the plaza management who listened to my story and the waitressess. I said I would pay what I drank but refused to pay what I didnt owe and the management said I could go. Another bar and maybe it wouldnt have been a happy ending, the goons might have just dished it out there and then so dont think Im offering any advice.

Who are the Plaza Management?

If its the people from the 1st floor office they have nothing to do with any of the bars.

It must have been a bar manager or someone rom among the group of bar's.

[guru]

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Who are the Plaza Management?

If its the people from the 1st floor office they have nothing to do with any of the bars.

It must have been a bar manager or someone rom among the group of bar's.

I assumed it was some sort of nana plaza management as the waitress went downstairs to get her when she said she was going to get the police. I dont know who it was, maybe it was the manager from the bar or group of bars but she had the power to let me go.

The lady who came along was polite and fair and having been to every bar there have never seen her in one but often see her walking in and out of the plaza but havent asked if she remembers me from 8 years ago. She is quite butch and seems to have some sort of authority at least in that bar anyway.

[Murf]

Rude Arabs in Bamboo Beer Bar?

Surely you must be joking!!!

[soundman]

I'm not sure that talking about gogo's is the best way for this forum to go forward & I usually refrain from participating in said discussions, however on this occasion:

This particular gogo bar pissed me off so badly about four years ago with a short changing tactic that I will write about it here.

Typical story, good customer through friends, lots of spend over the bar etc & they tried the "you only gave us a five hundred" when in fact it was a thousand - farang "mamasan" or whatever watching on & condoning the shortchange tactic. Gone ahead, made a scene which was started by the cashier (not myself), staff tried to physically eject me, staff all end up down the stairs on their backsides, police come, police from Lumphini are friends of a friend, gogo told to give missing change back, dispute sorted, case closed.

No. AFAIAC I will tell anyone who thinks about going out to Nana complex never to go to that place as the "farang" MANAGEMENT condones the ripping off of farang customers, not just a lowly worker trying to pad your bill for a few extra tips.

This is not a BG or sexspot forum, however, in this case I would highly recommend potential customers avoid the place like the plague unless you want to be ripped off and beaten up if you dispute the bill.

Soundman.

Edited January 3, 2008 by soundman

[tijnebijn]

I am pretty sure that this place feels so sure about themselves

and their practises because they pay a lot lots of tea money too ;

yes indeed the policemen .

So it is very obvious that they want to collect the money from the most

easiest victims , yes indeed the farang , those who have no rights ,

at least that's what they think and most of us think .

So keeping a long story short , its normal practise in all of Thailand .

Why do you think , how do you think those middle ranked cops can bring

their children to the best schools and drive a car worth several millions ????

Thais don't like the police for nothing ..........