Bigger Yamaha Nouvo

[PC800]

A friend went to a Yahama dealer who told him a model Nouvo with 135cc motor (same as Spark) is coming out in February. I have used Google and can find NOTHING. Anyone can help with info or a website?

[CHdiver]

I would buy it strait away if this is true.

[jackcorbett]

I would buy it strait away if this is true.

Well, it looks to me that you should start putting away a few baht. As I have mentioned here many times, I have a Nouvo which most of you know has a 115 cc. engine to the Honda Airblade's 110. So seeing the post about a new model Nouvo being offered in February I stopped in at the local Honda dealer's where I often get my Nouvo serviced here in Naklua. I asked if the new Nouvo with the Spark 135 cc. engine was going to be offered in February and one of the women working there made a phone call to check this one out for me. Her answer after talking to someone on the other end was a most definite yes. There will be a new Nouvo and yes, it will be 135 cc's., and it is going to be available in February.

I then talked to my good Norwegian pal who lives upstairs from me in my condo building. He spends around 6 months of the year in Pattaya (Naklua) and six months of the year with the Norwegian Coast guard. So he rents a Nouvo. His take on the new Nouvo was, "When I move here fulltime, of course, I am going to buy a new Nouvo and if that's what the new one is going to be that's what I am going to buy. But the old one is more than fast enough (for the Pattaya area). We drive 20 miles to 30 miles an hour most of the time, and much of the time even slower than that."

Well, let's see. Around three weeks ago a very good Aussie friend of mine was driving back from Jomtien on his motorbike when he was sideswipped by a car. It was a hit and run but he wound up in the hospital for 7 to 10 days and he's still not that mobile. And within one week of his accident a German who drives a Phantom who lives on the 7th floor of my condo building had a motorbike taxi driver veer across three lanes of traffic to knock his bike down. But he's only got a dislocated shoulder. Another hit and run however as the taxi driver kept going. So there we have it, two friends get nailed by hit and run drivers within one week of each other. Believe me, I'm really into risk avoidance. That's the number one priority while out on my bike.

So will I trade up for the new Nouvo? I just might, even though I really don't need the extra power.

[CHdiver]

Thanks jackcorbett; will have a look as soon as the new modell is out. Also I will have to visit the Honda Shop you mentioned when my Nouvo needs a Service. As I have to drive up Pattaya Hill every day some more power would be great.

[calbert65]

Thanks jackcorbett; will have a look as soon as the new modell is out. Also I will have to visit the Honda Shop you mentioned when my Nouvo needs a Service. As I have to drive up Pattaya Hill every day some more power would be great.

if your nouvo has less than 20k km u can try to change the weights in the back from 11 gr. original to 10 (original) or 9 (other brand like hsp or tsunami). if has more km u can put new piston of suzuki from original diam of 48 to 51. u can increase till 52-54. if more u has to work the head of the motor. use only original spare parts any brand but original (strong and affordable)

good work for long life is to put piston aorund 57-58 (Suzuki oroginal), change the valves and put original of Sonic, make larger the connection with carburator and change the weight (9 or 8 gr.)

In addition better change also the camshaft with one fastere (can find 1 - 2- or 3) better not too compression (2 is good). in these way your Nouvo with 2 people on board runs more that an original one with one driver only.

Good luck cause the work is apparently easy in my country, but here only in BKK can find some one that has nice machines to work the engine... (the first time they broken my head of engine)

For more power u can change many things, till increase the power 2-3 time since original... but the nouvo's life become shorter the same.. look at some specialised thai newspaper

alberto

[calbert65]

Thanks jackcorbett; will have a look as soon as the new modell is out. Also I will have to visit the Honda Shop you mentioned when my Nouvo needs a Service. As I have to drive up Pattaya Hill every day some more power would be great.

if your nouvo has less than 20k km u can try to change the weights in the back from 11 gr. original to 10 (original) or 9 (other brand like hsp or tsunami). if has more km u can put new piston of suzuki from original diam of 48 to 51. u can increase till 52-54. if more u has to work the head of the motor. use only original spare parts any brand but original (strong and affordable)

good work for long life is to put piston aorund 57-58 (Suzuki oroginal), change the valves and put original of Sonic, make larger the connection with carburator and change the weight (9 or 8 gr.)

In addition better change also the camshaft with one fastere (can find 1 - 2- or 3) better not too compression (2 is good). in these way your Nouvo with 2 people on board runs more that an original one with one driver only.

Good luck cause the work is apparently easy in my country, but here only in BKK can find some one that has nice machines to work the engine... (the first time they broken my head of engine)

For more power u can change many things, till increase the power 2-3 time since original... but the nouvo's life become shorter the same.. look at some specialised thai newspaper

alberto

forgot the costs

about 3500 to change only piston

since 5000 to 6500 for piston valves and camshaft

[Richard-BKK]

Very interesting story, but please explain how you get Suzuki pistons and Honda Sonic/CBR125 Valves in a Yamaha Nouvo engine.

As we know has the Yamaha Nouvo a 4-stroke, SOHC 2-valve, single-cylinder engine with a 50mm bore and a 57.9mm stroke the 50mm bore diameter is what we almost can call unique as I know not of any Suzuki motorcycles that use a 50mm piston diameter which will be remotely compatible with the Yamaha N115 engine.

[calbert65]

Very interesting story, but please explain how you get Suzuki pistons and Honda Sonic/CBR125 Valves in a Yamaha Nouvo engine.

As we know has the Yamaha Nouvo a 4-stroke, SOHC 2-valve, single-cylinder engine with a 50mm bore and a 57.9mm stroke the 50mm bore diameter is what we almost can call unique as I know not of any Suzuki motorcycles that use a 50mm piston diameter which will be remotely compatible with the Yamaha N115 engine.

Sorry to hear that.. this means u dont know too much.. mybe when u young never interested in upgrade your motorbike engine..

Anyway as I told u already u must work the cylinder.. I means not u but a specialized shop that can increase the internal diameter of cylinder to the right size of the new piston u want to put inside (cost about 800-1000 baht). this enough to increase the power from 10% to 30% dependig of new piston size (the compression will increase sensibly).

If u want to increase the size of the head of cylinder same piston diameter, better u change also the valves. Same way u need to work (the shop) the valves site (not easy work: be careful!!) to the right size of new valves. (about 1500 baht). dependig on the new piston usually need to work the top of the piston to let the valves work in correct way (but in th shop they know), too long to tell u cause u not have any experience.

If u cant understand what I try to explain to u better u go in specialized shop that u trust!! Also not forget to set (depending on the power) the weigths in tha automatic trsmission....

NB In Tahiland are very popular the race for Nouvo and Click. They put inside piston till about 80 mm and valves of Toyota car!!!

In 100 mt can reach 170 km hour!!

Good luck!!!

[calbert65]

Very interesting story, but please explain how you get Suzuki pistons and Honda Sonic/CBR125 Valves in a Yamaha Nouvo engine.

As we know has the Yamaha Nouvo a 4-stroke, SOHC 2-valve, single-cylinder engine with a 50mm bore and a 57.9mm stroke the 50mm bore diameter is what we almost can call unique as I know not of any Suzuki motorcycles that use a 50mm piston diameter which will be remotely compatible with the Yamaha N115 engine.

And this is not all...

Have many thigns more that u have to know, but enough go in same shop or just to buy same specialized magazine...

better the shop... have many in bkk, but if ther are many in Phuket Town u cant find in Patong, so I suppose not easy to find in Pattaya... in BKK have many and the best facoty can work the engine (alsao form Phuet when teh work is very dissicylt they send the pieces in BKK)

[Richard-BKK]

I once installed a bore-up kit on a Yamaha Fino (190cc) 63mm piston, including high performance 4-valve custom made cylinder head. We replaced the standard 25mm Mikuni BS25/1 carburetor with a Mikuni BS32 (32mm) carburetor.

And on the roller-bank at Red Baron the Fino did 180km/h, but on the road the bike became dangerous to drive just after 100km/h. A Yamaha Nouvo with the same bore-up upgrade, was stable to drive around 120km/h but it was still like driving something what could break anytime/any-moment.

Turning a Fino in a Racer

I forget to tell that we "sort of" balanced the wheels and tires to about 180km/h, It was very difficult to balance the Fino and larger Nouvo wheels as they start to wiggle about 130km/h.....

Edited January 28, 2008 by Richard-BKK

[calbert65]

I once installed a bore-up kit on a Yamaha Fino (190cc) 63mm piston, including high performance 4-valve custom made cylinder head. We replaced the standard 25mm Mikuni BS25/1 carburetor with a Mikuni BS32 (32mm) carburetor.

And on the roller-bank at Red Baron the Fino did 180km/h, but on the road the bike became dangerous to drive just after 100km/h. A Yamaha Nouvo with the same bore-up upgrade, was stable to drive around 120km/h but it was still like driving something what could break anytime/any-moment.

Turning a Fino in a Racer

I forget to tell that we "sort of" balanced the wheels and tires to about 180km/h, It was very difficult to balance the Fino and larger Nouvo wheels as they start to wiggle about 130km/h.....

Yes... u very very rigth.. when I was young in Italy with Vespa (that is about same Nuovo) after 120 Km/h had to modify the front and put more wight...Any way I think that to drive more than 100 km/h in Thailand means that u dont like your life.. I means in Phuket u can have accident very easy drivig motorbike(cannot pass one day without victims). I suggested to improve the performance like I explained beforre only to acquire more power on the hills. My Nuovo has already about 55K Km and I decided to improve the engine power cause after 30K km cant run in 2 people more than 20 Kmh on rip hill. Now runs at about 60 kmh and this since long time.. And this is enough. Even if my bike (with 17" wheels and big tires) can run more than 130 I rarely pass 90 or 100 Kmh. I saw to many people have injuries on the road with motorbike... So enjoy but first be very careful

Bye Alb

[calbert65]

ABOUT STABILITY

After improve the engine performance u MUST change also (for your safety): shock absorber in front and in the back (better with gas) and steady on your weight. NB: In thailanda is not used to balance the wheel, so better use original (very strong cause inox) but be sure are perfectly straight. If buy new one only the best!! the others are very soft and remember that cheaper radius are shit!!! (make rust in one month and are not strong).

Second better change also the disc and put bigger size to improve the brake!!

And drive carefully!!!

[2long]

Does Calbert live under a bridge and have a long beard and a bad attitude?

Back to the OP's original point; I have heard nowt about a new Nouvo, but would buy one (to replace my Nouvo) at the drop of a hat!

Bring it on, Yamaha (if that's who make them. Maybe it's Honduki or Suzonda?)

[PC800]

Back to the OP's original point; I have heard nowt about a new Nouvo, but would buy one (to replace my Nouvo) at the drop of a hat!

Bring it on, Yamaha (if that's who make them. Maybe it's Honduki or Suzonda?)

Mityon on South Pattaya and 3rd Road says no pictures, no websites, but they are getting the new model in on February 20th. Somewhat more expensive that current models, but probably 55-to-60,000 baht.

[Richard-BKK]

If the new Yamaha Nouvo cost 55 - 60,000 Bht, why not buy a Yamaha Spark or Suzuki Raider 150R ... or save a 3000 more and buy a Honda CBR150 or even a 200cc Tiger...

[2long]

Because the Nouvo is like a magic carpet! You get on, press a button and are effortlessly transported to any destination as stress free as it gets. No need to worry about gears, grounding out footpegs or using your feet to brake. In addition, you have a hook for your bag of Coke, wee front pockets and a huge space for 6 large beers under the seat. Three of even four adults will fit on one and there's only one keyhole, even to open the seat space up.

Tell me or show me a CBR, Spark, Raider or Tiger with all that!

[HDRIDER]

Hi

Your dam,n right 2long, its just the perfect city bike

[jackcorbett]

Because the Nouvo is like a magic carpet! You get on, press a button and are effortlessly transported to any destination as stress free as it gets. No need to worry about gears, grounding out footpegs or using your feet to brake. In addition, you have a hook for your bag of Coke, wee front pockets and a huge space for 6 large beers under the seat. Three of even four adults will fit on one and there's only one keyhole, even to open the seat space up.

Tell me or show me a CBR, Spark, Raider or Tiger with all that!

You forgot to mention you don't get your feet wet when going through water as the Nouvo has a floorboard instead of footpegs nor did you mention the convenient two small compartments in its small fairing that are great for sunglasses, sun tan lotion, gloves, hat, etc. Your point about ample storage is very true. Yesterday I bought 1800 baht of groceries. One bag went under the seat, and then I hung the three remaining bags from that hook you mentioned. Last week I bought a three filter water filtration system and I just used a couple of bungee cord and strapped the box on the seat behind me. There are two points back there for the express purpose of using bungee cords, rope, etc for this purpose.

[GlutinousMaximus]

It's out - I saw it today.

Looks quite nice; similar to the existing Nouvo body shape with a few style tweaks like rear indicators on their own little stalks. I thought the stick-on decals at the front were a bit tacky looking though. I was also hoping that they'd integrate more aluminium in the visible bodywork (near the footwells) because it would look much better than the light grey plastic on the current Nouvo but they haven't. The AT casing is also black plastic, whereas on the 115 CC Nouvo it's metal which seems like a retrograde step. Yamaha is postiioning it as a kind of de-luxe/up-market model & the promotional literature is aimed firmly at trendy young guys (like me).

The quoted cash price was 55,000B (wire wheels) and 58,000B (Mag wheels) although a possible discount was intimated - I didn't ask what that might be as it was only a junior salesperson I was speaking to and didn't want to get into a heavy sales pitch.

It's also shown on the Thai Yamaha Website - see Yamaha Nouvo Elegance Page (Thai)

I'm personally tempted although I'm minded to wait a few months i) to allow me to talk the Mrs into it and ii) to see if it's presence in the market spurs some promotional/discounting activity from Honda or Yamaha with their current offerings to help them shift stock.

No further tech detalis to report as yet - perhaps someone can glean them from the Yamaha website.

[davethailand]

The new model is in Mityon on sth pattaya rd now, looked at it today, nice but a bit plain, I still prefer the looks of the Air Blade, looks better because of the wider tyres etc.

If Honda are planning a bigger Air Blade then I will definately buy one.

[jackcorbett]

Get your baht out because the new 135 cc. Yamaha Nouvos are available--now, just as others have suggested here. I looked at one today at the same dealership I got my 115 cc. model Nouvo 2 years ago. This shop is Watchara Marine at Central Pattaya Road and Sukamvit on the North side of Central Pattaya Road.

The new engine is liquid cooled and it's 135 cc. The colors are different now and the seat is more like the Air Blades instead of the imitation leather look, naugehide or whatever of the old model so it's a cheaper looking seat although it no doubt holds up just as good. The new model is called the Elegance. I most definitely did not like the red springs used for the rear shocks on the black and silver model. The other colored bikes use a chromium colored set of springs so they look much better. With the exception of a more secure ignition lock, similar to what the Air Blade and Fino have and part of its instrumentation being digitized and minor cosmetic changes the bike is essentially the same as the old model. That is it's using the same sized tires, has the same capacity fuel tank (4.8 liters), and appears to have an identical sized under the seat storage bin. Brakes appear to be the same as before.

Cost at this dealership is around 53,000 baht for the wire wheeled models and 55,000 baht for the cast spoked wheels. So it's the same original pricing as my bike two years ago and it seems handling, roadworthiness, etc is identical. Think 135 cc's, nearly 18 % more displacement so it's probably going to put around that much more power to the ground.

Edited February 5, 2008 by jackcorbett

[moo9]

Went to see the new Nuovo today. Frankly speaking not very impressing. I do not like the elegance style, it is not looking very sporty. But that's a question of taste. The color selection is also very limited.

Guess Honda will soon issue a 125 or 135cc Airblade, that would be a better alternative.

[jackcorbett]

I personally do not like the color schemes of the new Nouvo model and far prefer my black and silver old 115 c.c. model. However. I think this will soon change. When Honda first came out with its Air Blade I found the colors to be pretty blase. Now with the new red color Honda's got a gorgeous machine. But I fully expect Yamaha to make some changes to dress the new Nouvo up. I've seen the way Yamaha has dressed up its Mio models going so far as to have tire valves colored to match the main color of the bike. The Fino is a beautiful machine to behold. But with this new model Yamaha even has ugly Red back springs that clash horrendously with its new black and silver model. I think Yamaha rushed these first models into production and we will be seeing much prettier paint schemes in the future.

[ozzydom]

Just came back from perusing the new Nouvo, our local dealer also had on the floor the new 135 Spark and the new Yammy RR1 135 cc Which at 10k less than the Nouvo is a much better buy IMHO.

[jackcorbett]

Just came back from perusing the new Nouvo, our local dealer also had on the floor the new 135 Spark and the new Yammy RR1 135 cc Which at 10k less than the Nouvo is a much better buy IMHO.

I like the Spark too. Probably offers a lot of performance in its niche, but it does not have the under the seat storage of the Nouvo. Making that up by putting a basket in the front simply does not cut it. Remember, Mazda Miatas are among the finest street worthy sports cars in the world and one of the major reasons for this is they have PERFECT 50-50 weight distribution front and rear. Not 50.5 versus 49.5 but 50-50. Under the seat storage is the way to go. Putting extra weight right on top of the front tire isn't.

[calbert65]

Just came back from perusing the new Nouvo, our local dealer also had on the floor the new 135 Spark and the new Yammy RR1 135 cc Which at 10k less than the Nouvo is a much better buy IMHO.

first i apologize if sometimes I cant reply soon.

Anyway iIdont understand: all the people wants save money and get fast Nouvo with nice color.

If u dont care for the new body shape why not to buy used one?? Nouvo one year old with 3-8000 km about 30-35000 baht.

After with 5.000 baht u can improve the power more the new one 135 cc and with 3.500 baht u can paint (in specialized shop) the body as u want (I did by myself and with stickers I spent 400 Baht!!)

Result: 42-45.000 and u can have fast Nouvo of your favourite color and can save more than 15.000 Baht!! (cost of new one is not less than 58-60K). So why not??

and drive slowly!!

[2long]

Now let's see...

Option 1; buy a new bike that has better performance than the old model and has been designed to be so by Yamaha (highly-regarded manufacturer, tuner and racer of reliable machinery), albeit with rather a gay colour scheme.

Option 2; buy a secondhand bike that's been owned by 'who-knows?' and pay some back street South-East Asian $100US to make it perform better (for how long before it goes bang?) then get it painted and Trevved up with stickers. Savubf a few bucks in the short term.

MMmmmmm, I think I know which I'd go for.

[jackcorbett]

Just came back from perusing the new Nouvo, our local dealer also had on the floor the new 135 Spark and the new Yammy RR1 135 cc Which at 10k less than the Nouvo is a much better buy IMHO.

first i apologize if sometimes I cant reply soon.

Anyway iIdont understand: all the people wants save money and get fast Nouvo with nice color.

If u dont care for the new body shape why not to buy used one?? Nouvo one year old with 3-8000 km about 30-35000 baht.

After with 5.000 baht u can improve the power more the new one 135 cc and with 3.500 baht u can paint (in specialized shop) the body as u want (I did by myself and with stickers I spent 400 Baht!!)

Result: 42-45.000 and u can have fast Nouvo of your favourite color and can save more than 15.000 Baht!! (cost of new one is not less than 58-60K). So why not??

and drive slowly!!

Correction.......You pay 42-45,000 baht and you get a soaped up Nouvo of questionable reliability. Or you can pay 53,000 baht for a new one with complete warranty. If you go back to one of my posts at one dealer the price is 53,000 baht for a new one with wire spoked wheels and 55,000 baht plus some change for the upgraded wheels. Now consider this, perhaps the drive belt mechanism for the old model is not quite up to it for handling the additional torque of the 135 cc. engine (belt too small, pulleys undersized, etc). Not only that but perhaps the old bike's previous owner did not change the oil, drove it flat out all the time, etc. To me this is a no brainer. I'd never want to save 8,000 to 10,000 baht on a bike for the promise of better performance at the risk of much shorter longevity. 8,000 to 10,000 baht is peanuts for most of us here.

[PC800]

How gratifying to know that at least one member is able to determine which motorcycle colour schemes are Gay, and which are Straight. In gender-ambigous Thailand, that must be a real gift.

[tropo]

Result: 42-45.000 and u can have fast Nouvo of your favourite color and can save more than 15.000 Baht!! (cost of new one is not less than 58-60K). So why not??

and drive slowly!!

I've just ordered the new one with alloy wheels. Cost = 55,700. The lowest I've seen was 55,500. The spoke version goes for 53,000.

That's not much more than the mag wheel version of the Air Blade or Nouvo.

Apparently the alloy wheels sport tubeless tires - (to be confirmed). There's also improvements in the front brake and suspension and being water-cooled it seems like good value for money.