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PM says Cabinet meeting will be his last one for administration

Spokesman for the Office of the Prime Minister Chaiya Yimwilai (ไชยา ยิ้มวิไล) addressed members of the press after the recent Cabinet meeting stating that Prime Minister General Surayud Chulanont announced to the cabinet of ministers that the meeting would be their final.

General Surayud stated that as the new government has been established and has made progress toward the selection of Parliament Chairman and various ministers he is confident it will be able to conduct its own cabinet meeting next week.

The Office of the Prime Minister informed all acting ministers though that their positions were still valid and that for the time being they could act according to their positions as usual except on matters that need to be proposed to the cabinet. The Office asked that all ministers continue their executive duties but to abstain from matters concerning the alteration or creation of policy as they should leave those issues to the incoming government.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 23 January 2008

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Pua Paendin says ministerial proportions will be clearer after appointment of new Prime Minister

Pua Paendin leader Suwit Khunkitti answered to rumors circulating that he will take the position of Deputy Prime Minister if People’s Power Party leader Samak Sundaravej is elected as the Prime Minister as well as the potential for him to be the minister of Information and Communication Technology.

Mr. Suwit said that the matters have not been discussed yet at all as the newly established government is still holding talks on many basic issues. He said that the proportioning of ministerial positions amongst the coalition parties will become clarified after the appointment of the Prime Minister.

The Pua Paendin leader also said that he has not received word on the next meeting of coalition parties.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 23 January 2008

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I know the conversation is going along as if the PPP survive what the EC has to decide on yet. However keep that though as how things will be if and during getting disqualified.

John, to date the EC has not shown any willingness to make hard decisions. They just want all of this to end so they can go back to their normal lives.

Yes you are right on that, the direction of the country does hinge on how they rule. Notably the bad guys will seek revenge on the EC for doing it’s job as the members of the EC are well aware.

Seeing it Mr. Y is a rater nasty character by all accounts, the choice comes down to weighing the facts giving a proper ruling red or not, or to be intimidated by Mr. Y and his associates.

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They can always start infrastructure projects going, but they won't see the results for a couple of years, so no good.

Well, 'Thailand' won't see the results for a couple years. Those politicians however will see rather immediate results into their back accounts. :o

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I know the conversation is going along as if the PPP survive what the EC has to decide on yet. However keep that though as how things will be if and during getting disqualified.

John, to date the EC has not shown any willingness to make hard decisions. They just want all of this to end so they can go back to their normal lives.

Yes you are right on that, the direction of the country does hinge on how they rule. Notably the bad guys will seek revenge on the EC for doing it’s job as the members of the EC are well aware.

Seeing it Mr. Y is a rater nasty character by all accounts, the choice comes down to weighing the facts giving a proper ruling red or not, or to be intimidated by Mr. Y and his associates.

Old Yuth apart from being possibly the nastiest character in parliament is also extremely powerful within PPP and has now got himself elected as Parliament president something described by P-Net as absurd (Good on them when all others shrink in fear). That he is so scary, powerful and with his red carding being linked to the doomsday case I think it will be extremely unlikely that Yuth will go down even if the evidence is cast iron.

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It does look like they need political turbulence to excuse themselves in the meantime, and it will be provided, no doubts.

..From their perspective they will need to get to a snap election in say the next yera and then win a huge overall majority, which is possible. Then they can have 4 years in which to see the government spending impact into the economy. So conflict until the next election comes will serve them well...

They won't win anything next year if they don't deliver NOW.

Confrontation will not attract anyone to vote for them. They need to win people's trust back, not to confront them. Their support base has already shrank, they've lost four million votes since 2005. There's a chance that people who voted for Pua Paendin and the rest will vote for PPP, but not if they ask them to choose sides - no one wants to go to Thaksin's side anymore, the country has had enough of fighting.

If they want to win they need to avoid clashing over Thaskin again and again and again.

2006 No vote demonstrated that they can't govern the country where half the population does not accept the government, and this is what will happen, again, if PPP tries to bring back Thaksin.

Bottom line - Thaksin can't come back and live happily ever after. It will be a civil war if he tries. Where does that leave PPP? In the dustbin, like a discarded tissue.

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It does look like they need political turbulence to excuse themselves in the meantime, and it will be provided, no doubts.

..From their perspective they will need to get to a snap election in say the next yera and then win a huge overall majority, which is possible. Then they can have 4 years in which to see the government spending impact into the economy. So conflict until the next election comes will serve them well...

They won't win anything next year if they don't deliver NOW.

Confrontation will not attract anyone to vote for them. They need to win people's trust back, not to confront them. Their support base has already shrank, they've lost four million votes since 2005. There's a chance that people who voted for Pua Paendin and the rest will vote for PPP, but not if they ask them to choose sides - no one wants to go to Thaksin's side anymore, the country has had enough of fighting.

If they want to win they need to avoid clashing over Thaskin again and again and again.

2006 No vote demonstrated that they can't govern the country where half the population does not accept the government, and this is what will happen, again, if PPP tries to bring back Thaksin.

Bottom line - Thaksin can't come back and live happily ever after. It will be a civil war if he tries. Where does that leave PPP? In the dustbin, like a discarded tissue.

I would like to agree with you, but I think if they can keep people fixated on divisive issues and not the economy they can easily win an election in the next 6 months to a year with a better showing than now. In this elction state power was used to push their vote down. This wont be the case at the next election. In fact as TRT did they will use state power to push their vote up. Then how many of the defectors from their party having been humiliated in the recent election will opt back in, particulalrly if running in the North or North East. Unless economic reality hits these regions hard PPP will win any sudden snap election. The issues imho that PPP use to keep the country divided may not just be open pro-Thaskin ones although these will be used subtly uo country as ever if it looks like he wont be coming back because of "others". In the open they will likely choose certain arguements over democracy that opponents do not agree with but that may sound good internationally as the reason conflict continues. The kind of double approach they used while opposing the Junta.

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I think if they can keep people fixated on divisive issues and not the economy they can easily win an election in the next 6 months to a year with a better showing than now. In this elction state power was used to push their vote down. This wont be the case at the next election. In fact as TRT did they will use state power to push their vote up. Then how many of the defectors from their party having been humiliated in the recent election will opt back in, particulalrly if running in the North or North East.

If they keep people fixated on divisive issues and take the country to some sort of a referendum on Thaksin they will LOSE. They will be the biggest party still, but not with overall majority.

Those wretched souls, their coalition partners, might try to merge with PPP and run under new, pro-Thaksin mandate, but in this case you assume that in December they split proThaksin vote (which will then get consolidated). I don't think so - they split anti-Thaksin vote instead. People who wanted Thaksin could always vote for PPP, especially on party lists.

It's a bit of the both, I suppose, to a degree that they were able to fool people that Pua Paendin and not PPP is the official heir to TRT. How many believed that? though I remember some candidates tried this tactic.

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FINANCE POST

Surapong widely tipped

Market observers complain he's not suitable for the job; Chavalit likely to get a deputy prime minister position

Surapong Suebwonglee, a key member of the inner circle of ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, looks set to take the finance post, barring any political hitches.

Surapong has already sent subtle signals that he wants to assume one of the country's most important Cabinet portfolios during this time of political instability and global financial jitters. As secretary-general of the People Power Party, the core member of the coalition government, Surapong has emerged with the political clout to set the course for the new administration.

A source, who asked not to be named, said former prime minister Chavalit Yongchaiyudh might take the post of deputy prime minister in charge of national security and poverty eradication.

Surapong said outsiders were reluctant to serve as finance minister because of the "politics of destruction" so evident in the current political climate.

"The murky political situation has created concern among outsiders. Besides, a finance minister will be subject to tough legal scrutiny if he really assumes the job," he said.

One political observer saw a 99-per-cent chance for Surapong to get his wish, although he would need to deal with the shaky economic situation and financial markets on day one of taking office without any time for on-the-job training.

"The stock market's fall over the past few days will be a good test as to whether he could handle it. Perhaps his name has been floated by the party to test the market. But most people in the market have been grumbling that he's not a suitable candidate," he said.

Surapong insisted that whoever fills the finance office must display leadership qualities and dare to make decisions.

"We are considering several candidates who have been formulating policies for the party from the beginning. Their names might not have appeared in the public eye. We also have several staff working behind the scenes," he said.

The finance minister will not be working alone in tackling economic problems but will be assisted by a team of experts and other academics who are willing to work for the country, he said.

Samak Sundaravej will be a shoo-in for Friday's election of the prime minister, before a Cabinet line-up is announced. As a coalition government with 315 out of 480 MPs, the Cabinet quota will be based on one slot per nine seats.

Surapong said if he was appointed finance minister, he would seek to ditch the controversial 30-per-cent reserve requirement imposed by the Bank of Thailand on capital flows to curb baht speculation.

He said he would quickly try to revive confidence in private investment and consumption to fire up economic growth.

Over the next one to two days, the People Power Party will invite its coalition partners to discuss the establishment of the economic team.

As to whether he was a greenhorn in economic matters, Surapong said: "Novice, so what?"

For defence minister, another yet unclaimed post, Thaksin, who is still pulling the strings behind People Power, favours a certain retired Army chief, an officer from Pre-Cadet Class 10 said on the condition of anonymity.

"General Somdhat Attanand is seen as neutral and capable of coordinating with the armed forces and the new government," the officer said in explaining Thaksin's decision.

Initially it was believed that Thaksin, who is not directly involved in the workings of the coalition government being formed, would like the defence portfolio to go to one of his People Power allies.

But this would face strong resistance from the military, the source said.

In deliberating on a shortlist of candidates, Thaksin consulted with his mates from Pre-Cadet Class 10 to locate a retired officer who was acceptable to the armed forces but who would not become a puppet of the incumbent military leaders, he said.

Army chief General Anupong Paochinda had pushed for his former boss, General Pravit Wongsuwan, but this nomination was not supported by Thaksin, he said.

Anupong argued that Pravit was a respected figure and a classmate of members of the Council for National Security, including Supreme Commander General Boonsarng Niumpradit and Air Chief Marshal Chalit Pukbhasuk, he said.

As Pravit had met several times with Thaksin's wife Pojaman, it was rumoured that he could be poised to accept the post, he said.

People Power has circulated many names, including two former supreme commanders, General Ruangroj Mahasaranond and General Chaisit Shinawatra, but the military shot them down, he said.

At this juncture, Thaksin sees Somdhat as the right man for the job as Anupong had served under him, he said.

Should Somdhat fail to win acceptance by military leaders, Thaksin may turn to former supreme commander General Sampao Chusri as an alternative, he said.

Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont said yesterday's Cabinet meeting was his last, now that there's a House of Representatives with a speaker and deputies. He expects the new prime minister would be elected on Friday and his royal endorsement to follow on Monday.

Surayud's deputies Sonthi Boonyaratglin and Kosit Panpiemras, who is also industry minister, were absent from the meeting as they were abroad.

Source: The Nation - 23 January 2008

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I would like to agree with you, but I think if they can keep people fixated on divisive issues and not the economy they can easily win an election in the next 6 months to a year with a better showing than now. In this elction state power was used to push their vote down. This wont be the case at the next election. In fact as TRT did they will use state power to push their vote up. Then how many of the defectors from their party having been humiliated in the recent election will opt back in, particulalrly if running in the North or North East. Unless economic reality hits these regions hard PPP will win any sudden snap election. The issues imho that PPP use to keep the country divided may not just be open pro-Thaskin ones although these will be used subtly uo country as ever if it looks like he wont be coming back because of "others". In the open they will likely choose certain arguements over democracy that opponents do not agree with but that may sound good internationally as the reason conflict continues. The kind of double approach they used while opposing the Junta.

The bottom line is how long are the people that voted for "Thaksin" going to wait for the promised 3 year farmer debt moratoriums, lower fuel costs, increased loans (despite rising defaults), lower bus fares, higher minimum wages, etc?

In addition, being able to stem the appreciating THB is going to be very important for the PPP as it is published, often discussed, quantifiable and has a direct impact on farm exports and this has a direct impact on the people that voted for the PPP. Current market events aren't going to make any of this easy and perhaps the task is impossible anyway. Economic events will be on the forefront for the PPP whether they like it or not.

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The bottom line is how long are the people that voted for "Thaksin" going to wait for the promised 3 year farmer debt moratoriums, lower fuel costs, increased loans (despite rising defaults), lower bus fares, higher minimum wages, etc?

In addition, being able to stem the appreciating THB is going to be very important for the PPP as it is published, often discussed, quantifiable and has a direct impact on farm exports and this has a direct impact on the people that voted for the PPP. Current market events aren't going to make any of this easy and perhaps the task is impossible anyway. Economic events will be on the forefront for the PPP whether they like it or not.

Not long.

The point is : as for the "boost theory", Thaksin showed that he was reckless.

His actions as PM are a proof.

So... He did it (credit, subsidies, mixed with false-good ideas programs, etc.)

It worked very well. Being much smarter than the previous pathetic guys in shiny uniforms, he will go fast on the economy issue.

So he will do it again.

However, both the stakes and constrains of the current economic situation are much HIGHER now.

Therefore, risky game.

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Banharn: New govt to be formed early Feb

A new cabinet will be formed after the Chinese New Year, which is on February 7, Chart Thai party leader Banharn Silpa-archa said Wednesday.

"The list would not be ready after the cabinet meets next Tuesday," he said.

Mr Banharn, whose party joined a coalition led by People Power party (PPP), denied to comment on the appropriateness if PPP leader Samak Sundaravej takes both the prime minister and the defence minister chairs.

More from the Bangkok Post here.

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I suspect the darkening economic position will be the critical factor for change.....Khun Abhisit should be preparing his administration for assuming power in a year or so.

Do you think it will be that easy? That PPP wil simply fold without putting up a fight?

Right now they are gearing for a big battle, there will be "blood".

The military won't step in to separate the warring sides until the very last minute.

So, if you think that the situation back in 2006 would have cleared all by itself - sit back and watch "people vs government" round two.

I won't be surprised that there WILL be calls for the army to move in again.

Honest answer is that I don't know.If the PPP fails the economic competence test (probability high because of a) harsh external climate :o weak management capabilty) leading to loss of support in voter base, then situation could change quickly if not quite "all by itself".I suppose much will hinge on how Thaksin return issue is handled.Right now I don't sense the PPP has much charismatic pull without him.There are always some who support military intervention in Thailand but surely most agree this looks rather unlikely in foreseeable future.Only point I don't really agree with you is the blood curdling embryonic army (Who exactly? Bangkok middle class, Premocrats, PAD Mark 2???) you suggest is forming to "take on " the PPP.I just don't see this but of course still early days.

The answer is in the fields. The total rice subsidy last time around was about 18bn baht (please correct me if I am wrong). 500mn USD which in this day and age is chump change. All very affordable which when put into context of a special budget increase of 300 bn for the army puts it all rather well in context doesn't it. I don't see an erosion in the PPP fan base coming very quickly especially if a little debt forgiveness is thrown into the equation.

What I can see, is that the middle classes will get sorely peed off by the fact that not all roads may lead to Bangkok in terms of development in the next few years. Like all previous coalitions, this one will split, however, I think we can bet that PPP will win again when Thaksin returns to the country.

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Poll Panel to Decide on Poll Fraud Charge against House Speaker

The Election Commission will decide today whether to meet the request by a Chart Thai MP, asking for the withdrawal of his complaint against the newly-selected House Speaker.

Election Commissioner, Sumeth Ubanisakorn, says he has yet to be informed about the decision by the sub-panel investigating the poll fraud charge against Yongyuth Tiyapairat, a party-list MP for cluster one of the People Power Party, regarding the request by Chart Thai MP, Wijit Yodsuwan that his complaint and the case be withdrawn.

Sumeth says the Election Commission or EC will decide today whether to continue its sub-panel's resolution or allow Wijit to withdraw his charge against Yongyuth. Yongyuth, who was just elected the new House Speaker, visited the EC's office to give his testimony regarding the charge.

The EC has instructed provincial poll panels to forward the remaining election fraud complaints within seven to 15 days for the further deliberation by the central commission.

The commission also disagrees with the criticism of its delayed investigation into the poll fraud cases, saying its decision must be based on strong evidence.

- Thailand Outlook

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New Cabinet to Be Formed after Chinese New Year: Chart Thai Leader

The Chart Thai Party Leader stated that the Cabinet team for the next government will be announced to the public after the upcoming Chinese New Year and asked the press not to give misleading information.

Chart Thai Party Leader Banharn Silapa-archa stated in regard to the formation of the Cabinet team for the next government that so far his party has not held a talk with the People Power Party, which is to lead the next government.

Banharn urged the press not to give misleading information as the names of ministerial post holders in the new Cabinet have not been officially announced.

Regarding the procedure in forming the Cabinet, Banharn states that he agrees with the idea that coalition parties have the right to pass name lists of ministerial post holders for approval. Banharn further adds that the Cabinet is to be formed after the House votes for the next prime minister.

He says the official announcement of the new Cabinet should be made by February 7th, after the Chinese New Year, and after the premier post has been voted on. By that time, the name of the next government leader should have already been presented to His Majesty the King for his royal approval.

Asked whether those who are to lead the Defense Ministry should come from the Army, Banharn refused to comment. Regarding the speculation that several Chart Thai members voted for the Democrat candidate for House Speaker, Banharn said all MPs have equal rights to cast ballots for any House Speaker candidate.

- Thailand Outlook

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This Cabinet-announcement date is a lot later than what I think everyone expected. The Hammered Heineken Sweepstakes Winner Announcement is going to be a while.

Interesting that some Chart Thai's are already bucking and not toeing the "party line" or more precisely, the "coalition line." This is the same Party that had members resign over Chart Thai joining the Pee Pee Party.

AND.... What's with all the pointing, anyway? :o

Coupled with the earlier posted photo of the uniformed Samak angrily pointing at the international media during opening ceremonies and the above of Banharn, with his iced glass of 100 Pipers, discussing the Cabinet announcement today... and throw in the one below of Samak from yesterday's actual Parliament session... and it's all starting to look like a Thai crime scene re-enactment... which I suppose is fairly apropos with this gang.

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New Cabinet to Be Formed after Chinese New Year: Chart Thai Leader

The Chart Thai Party Leader stated that the Cabinet team for the next government will be announced to the public after the upcoming Chinese New Year and asked the press not to give misleading information.

Chart Thai Party Leader Banharn Silapa-archa stated in regard to the formation of the Cabinet team for the next government that so far his party has not held a talk with the People Power Party, which is to lead the next government.

Banharn urged the press not to give misleading information as the names of ministerial post holders in the new Cabinet have not been officially announced.

Regarding the procedure in forming the Cabinet, Banharn states that he agrees with the idea that coalition parties have the right to pass name lists of ministerial post holders for approval. Banharn further adds that the Cabinet is to be formed after the House votes for the next prime minister.

He says the official announcement of the new Cabinet should be made by February 7th, after the Chinese New Year, and after the premier post has been voted on. By that time, the name of the next government leader should have already been presented to His Majesty the King for his royal approval.

Asked whether those who are to lead the Defense Ministry should come from the Army, Banharn refused to comment. Regarding the speculation that several Chart Thai members voted for the Democrat candidate for House Speaker, Banharn said all MPs have equal rights to cast ballots for any House Speaker candidate.

- Thailand Outlook

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This Cabinet-announcement date is a lot later than what I think everyone expected. The Hammered Heineken Sweepstakes Winner Announcement is going to be a while.

Interesting that some Chart Thai's are already bucking and not toeing the "party line" or more precisely, the "coalition line." This is the same Party that had members resign over Chart Thai joining the Pee Pee Party.

AND.... What's with all the pointing, anyway? :o

Coupled with the earlier posted photo of the uniformed Samak angrily pointing at the international media during opening ceremonies and the above of Banharn, with his iced glass of 100 Pipers, discussing the Cabinet announcement today... and throw in the one below of Samak from yesterday's actual Parliament session... and it's all starting to look like a Thai crime scene re-enactment... which I suppose is fairly apropos with this gang.

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Just as well that we know which calendar the majority of the people in Parliament are working from in terms of importance for national holidays.

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Poll Panel to Decide on Poll Fraud Charge against House Speaker

The Election Commission will decide today whether to meet the request by a Chart Thai MP, asking for the withdrawal of his complaint against the newly-selected House Speaker.

Election Commissioner, Sumeth Ubanisakorn, says he has yet to be informed about the decision by the sub-panel investigating the poll fraud charge against Yongyuth Tiyapairat, a party-list MP for cluster one of the People Power Party, regarding the request by Chart Thai MP, Wijit Yodsuwan that his complaint and the case be withdrawn.

Sumeth says the Election Commission or EC will decide today whether to continue its sub-panel's resolution or allow Wijit to withdraw his charge against Yongyuth. Yongyuth, who was just elected the new House Speaker, visited the EC's office to give his testimony regarding the charge.

The EC has instructed provincial poll panels to forward the remaining election fraud complaints within seven to 15 days for the further deliberation by the central commission.

The commission also disagrees with the criticism of its delayed investigation into the poll fraud cases, saying its decision must be based on strong evidence.

- Thailand Outlook

I am very sure Mr. Y is seeing to it that love letters are being sent to the EC very frequently. Lets hope they do the right thing.

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Coupled with the earlier posted photo of the uniformed Samak angrily pointing at the international media during opening ceremonies and the above of Banharn, with his iced glass of 100 Pipers, discussing the Cabinet announcement today... and throw in the one below of Samak from yesterday's actual Parliament session... and it's all starting to look like a Thai crime scene re-enactment... which I suppose is fairly apropos with this gang.

The pictures are great.

And I love your "iced glass of 100 Pipers". :o

It's indeed a nice gang.

However, I think it will be good for the country. Eventually.

We need a catharsis. And the only way it's go deep, deep to the bottom. The gang will do the job...

That's the price to pay for a revolution.

The whole system is rotten to the core. I'm sure you would agree.

In this perspective, what would have done the Democrat Party ? Nothing really different.

Again : deep, deep into the rabbit's hole. It's the only solution.

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Who are the better parallels in history than Peron, Mussolini and Hitler I wonder? :o

A loving couple with many, many similarities and direct parallels...

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Undying love ... former first lady Imelda Marcos kisses a glass case containing the refrigerated remains of her late husband, former Philippines president Ferdinand Marcos, to mark his 88th birthday anniversary.

Photo: AFP

Yeah, had thought about Uncle Ferdy and Auntie Imelda, but discounted them as he was a general and she was a one-time beauty queen, neither of which apply to Mr T & Mrs P. Imelda was also more comfortable in front of the press that Mrs P will ever be and did a better crocodile tear. :D

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Government in exile to start pulling the strings

Get ready! The big puppet show is about to begin

The new government has one big litmus test lying in wait as soon as it is installed: is this a shadow Cabinet or a Cabinet with a long shadow?

It will immediately assume the image of a surrogate government acting on behalf of a "highly visible hand". Everyone knows who calls the shots. But nobody in the government is going to admit it. It's not a case of a government within a government. It will be, strange though it may sound, a Bangkok-based government in exile. You say that sounds weird? Think again.

Without publicly admitting the freakishness of the whole scenario, some top People Power Party executives have nevertheless given sufficient hints to suggest that what we see in the coalition government isn't really what we are going to get.

You don't even have to read between the lines to get the message. Surapong Suebwonglee, secretary general of the PPP, said during last Saturday's press conference to declare the formation of a PPP-led six-party coalition government: "The PPP will be taking care of the major ministries such as Finance, Transport, Commerce and Tourism. The party will screen competent people who remain behind the scenes known only among the inner circles of the party…."

To seasoned observers, that's tantamount to admitting that those you see up front as Cabinet members may not be the real ministers. The main work will be carried out by those behind the scenes. There is a party "owner" and there is a party leader. There is the official prime minister and there is the "supremo" out there issuing instructions and making decisions that count.

If most Thais appear to go along with the big game of pretence, it's not because the politicians can pull the wool over our eyes. We are only waiting for the right time to ferret out the truth.

Local political circles are abuzz with speculation as to whether Samak Sundaravej, if he does get endorsed in Parliament tomorrow as the new prime minister, is merely a stunt man for Thaksin Shinawatra. Or is the controversial veteran politician in fact quietly embarking on a personal plan to demand the right to be his own man?

If the ongoing coffee-shop gossip materialises, we will see a number of "surrogates" acting on behalf of the real actors behind the scenes, some of them from the 111 former executives of the dissolved Thai Rak Thai Party.

The wives of at least two leading politicians on the banned list - Suwat Liptapanlop (the strong man behind the Ruam Jai Thai Chat Pattana Party) and Somsak Thepsutin (the indisputable power behind Matchima Thipatai) - have been tipped by rumour-mongers to be eyeing the Energy and Labour portfolios respectively. Strange, but true. Weird, but more than probable.

And you don't have to go far to search for some concrete clues. In his latest taped interview in Hong Kong with Jom Petchpradab from TITV - which was never aired because of the channel's change-over from a commercial station to a public broadcasting service - Thaksin told the reporter he had "proposed" Samak to lead the PPP.

Thaksin said: "To be frank, I was accused unfairly of not being loyal to the (royal) institution. It's a very serious and painful allegation against me. Therefore, the person I would recommend to my friends to head the PPP must be someone with a clear record of loyalty to the royal family. Khun Samak is one of them. Therefore, I proposed his name to lead the party. My friends said that's it, he's the right choice. Therefore they extended him the invitation - and he accepted it."

The reporter followed up with a direct statement: "But many people still don't think Khun Samak is the real prime minister. They think it's you."

Thaksin, instead of denying it outright, beat around the bush. "The real person is you, not me," he laughed. The "Real Person" happened to be the programme's title.

The big political puppet show is about to begin. Sit tight and enjoy it while you can. Oscar Wilde once wrote about puppetry: "There are many advantages in puppets. They never argue. They have no crude views about art. They have no private lives."

A famous puppeteer has been quoted as saying: "Through puppetry we accept the outrageous, the absurd or even the impossible and will permit puppets to say and do things no human could. We allow a puppet to talk to us when no one else can get us to speak."

The great thing about puppetry, they say, is that puppets by their very nature do things that are not humanly possible. In political puppetry, the puppets are also attempting to do things that are not humanly imaginable either.

Make sure you check all the exits in advance.

- The Nation Opinion Page

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Interesting that some Chart Thai's are already bucking and not toeing the "party line" or more precisely, the "coalition line." This is the same Party that had members resign over Chart Thai joining the Pee Pee Party.

Political parties within a coalition are still supposed to be independent, right? The Pee Pee Party apparently doesn't think so.... but then given its earlier history of announcing the other parties had joined the coalition prior to the actual parties themselves saying they had, this is nothing new...

PPP demands united coalition vote for PM

All government MPs told to back Samak

The People Power Party says it expects all coalition MPs to vote for its leader Samak Sundaravej as PM in parliament tomorrow without a repeat of Tuesday's rank-breaking incident. PPP Deputy Leader Sompong Amornwiwat, who is the acting chief coalition whip, said yesterday that he expected a unanimous vote among coalition MPs for Samak. His comment came after three MPs of a party belonging to the PPP-led coalition on Tuesday voted for the Democrat Party's Banyat Bantadtan to become House Speaker. Six coalition MPs also cast their votes for the Democrats' Kalaya Sophonpanich who vied for the post of Deputy House Speaker. The MPs who broke ranks were not identified because the votes were conducted in secret. Sompong will meet representatives of five coalition parties today to prepare for tomorrow's vote when Samak is likely to be picked by parliament to be PM. Chusak Sirinil, head of the PPP's legal working group, also expected all coalition partners to pull in behind Samak. He said coalition parties had discussed the issue and they agreed to back Samak. Chusak said that anyone who supported a rival candidate would be taken to task because it is an open vote.

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Let's keep the off topic criticisms of other members out of the discussion. Keep on topic and the thread will continue - if it degenerates into a slanging match then the thread will have to be closed which would be a pity because it is an important one.

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Crow Boy - I sent you a PM about this . not sure if it was clear in the PM..

All members would be wise to take heed of this warning.

Some of the subtle flaming is getting too personal... and be assured, suspensions will be issued if it continues.

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New Cabinet to Be Formed after Chinese New Year: Chart Thai Leader

The Chart Thai Party Leader stated that the Cabinet team for the next government will be announced to the public after the upcoming Chinese New Year and asked the press not to give misleading information.

Chart Thai Party Leader Banharn Silapa-archa stated in regard to the formation of the Cabinet team for the next government that so far his party has not held a talk with the People Power Party, which is to lead the next government.

Banharn urged the press not to give misleading information as the names of ministerial post holders in the new Cabinet have not been officially announced.

Regarding the procedure in forming the Cabinet, Banharn states that he agrees with the idea that coalition parties have the right to pass name lists of ministerial post holders for approval. Banharn further adds that the Cabinet is to be formed after the House votes for the next prime minister.

He says the official announcement of the new Cabinet should be made by February 7th, after the Chinese New Year, and after the premier post has been voted on. By that time, the name of the next government leader should have already been presented to His Majesty the King for his royal approval.

Asked whether those who are to lead the Defense Ministry should come from the Army, Banharn refused to comment. Regarding the speculation that several Chart Thai members voted for the Democrat candidate for House Speaker, Banharn said all MPs have equal rights to cast ballots for any House Speaker candidate.

- Thailand Outlook

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This Cabinet-announcement date is a lot later than what I think everyone expected. The Hammered Heineken Sweepstakes Winner Announcement is going to be a while.

Interesting that some Chart Thai's are already bucking and not toeing the "party line" or more precisely, the "coalition line." This is the same Party that had members resign over Chart Thai joining the Pee Pee Party.

AND.... What's with all the pointing, anyway? :o

Coupled with the earlier posted photo of the uniformed Samak angrily pointing at the international media during opening ceremonies and the above of Banharn, with his iced glass of 100 Pipers, discussing the Cabinet announcement today... and throw in the one below of Samak from yesterday's actual Parliament session... and it's all starting to look like a Thai crime scene re-enactment... which I suppose is fairly apropos with this gang.

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Banharn is under pressure from people upset that he immediately abandoned his and Chart Thai's stated electoral campaign position of not joining a PPP government. His position on doing a swift 180 is made even weaker by the fact the PPP did not need Chart Thai to put together a stable coalition. Nice to watch him squirm anyway. Nice to see he cant even control his own party any longer, which is probably good for democracy.

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Probes must be fair and just

The first post-coup government won't even be clear and moving into offices before next week, but it already looks like an exciting ride. The PPP is throwing its best shots from the start. It has already elected a highly controversial party official as House Speaker, and is set to give the post of PM to another lightning rod. PPP have the right, indeed the duty, to put their top people in important, national posts. It also seems clear the ruling party intends to follow the same policy of take-no-prisoners that it inherited from its late parent, Thai Rak Thai. At its first session on Tuesday, parliament elected Chiang Rai political power Yongyuth Tiyapairat as Speaker of the Lower House. Under the new Constitution, he also is President of Parliament. Mr Yongyuth takes office under a cloud of sorts. The Election Commission is investigating charges that he committed serious breaches of the Election Law before the Dec 23 polls, including bribing village officials to get out the vote for his PPP. Sometime tomorrow, a solid majority of Parliament is expected to get behind the nomination of Samak Sundaravej as PM. Samak once infamously said that the first act of his government would be to support amnesty for ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra and his 110 cronies who were banned from politics until 2012 by the Constitution Tribunal. That probably was a good indication of the way he thinks. Therefore, it will be necessary for the public to keep a close eye on the independent bodies charged with investigating Yongyuth and Samak. Both the EC and the anti-corruption panel must be free of outside influence. It is particularly important that the government keep its hands off the EC, the NCCC and other such bodies. These independent commissions must be free to investigate and to decide important national issues without fear of intimidation when they work, or retaliation after they act.

Bangkok Post Editorial continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/24Jan2008_news16.php

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It doesn't stop with the above... just a sampling of various other ongoing issues involving selected new government officials and prospective Cabinet ministers...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=148479

Deputy Leader Of The People Power Party To Stand Trial For Attempted Murder, Former Thaksin Cabinet Minister and 7 Police Officers accused

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=1664079

Politicians 'took 500 million baht bribes for fire trucks deal'

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=115978

Former Bangkok Governor Sentenced To 2 Years In Prison, Samak out on bail

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=1778018

Prospective Environment and Natural Resources Minister previously expelled and punished

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=1672911

Prospective Interior Minister Plans to Revive War on Drugs

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Probes must be fair and just

The first post-coup government won't even be clear and moving into offices before next week, but it already looks like an exciting ride. The PPP is throwing its best shots from the start. It has already elected a highly controversial party official as House Speaker, and is set to give the post of PM to another lightning rod. PPP have the right, indeed the duty, to put their top people in important, national posts. It also seems clear the ruling party intends to follow the same policy of take-no-prisoners that it inherited from its late parent, Thai Rak Thai. At its first session on Tuesday, parliament elected Chiang Rai political power Yongyuth Tiyapairat as Speaker of the Lower House. Under the new Constitution, he also is President of Parliament. Mr Yongyuth takes office under a cloud of sorts. The Election Commission is investigating charges that he committed serious breaches of the Election Law before the Dec 23 polls, including bribing village officials to get out the vote for his PPP. Sometime tomorrow, a solid majority of Parliament is expected to get behind the nomination of Samak Sundaravej as PM. Samak once infamously said that the first act of his government would be to support amnesty for ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra and his 110 cronies who were banned from politics until 2012 by the Constitution Tribunal. That probably was a good indication of the way he thinks. Therefore, it will be necessary for the public to keep a close eye on the independent bodies charged with investigating Yongyuth and Samak. Both the EC and the anti-corruption panel must be free of outside influence. It is particularly important that the government keep its hands off the EC, the NCCC and other such bodies. These independent commissions must be free to investigate and to decide important national issues without fear of intimidation when they work, or retaliation after they act.

Bangkok Post Editorial continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/24Jan2008_news16.php

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It doesn't stop with the above... just a sampling of various other ongoing issues involving selected and prospective Cabinet ministers and new government officials...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=148479

Deputy Leader Of The People Power Party To Stand Trial For Attempted Murder, Former Thaksin Cabinet Minister and 7 Police Officers accused

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=1664079

Politicians 'took 500 million baht bribes for fire trucks deal'

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=115978

Former Bangkok Governor Sentenced To 2 Years In Prison, Samak out on bail

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=1778018

Prospective Environment and Natural Resources Minister previously expelled and punished

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=1672911

Prospective Interior Minister Plans to Revive War on Drugs

From the same article:

The EC and NCCC owe the country fair and even-handed consideration of the cases against Mr Yongyuth and Mr Samak respectively. It was discouraging to hear election commissioner Somchai Juengprasert warn the sub-committee probing the Yongyuth case that it must be careful, because the case is so important. This thinking was the tactic used by Mr Thaksin when he faced investigation in 2001 _ that his position as premier was too important to allow a guilty finding. If necessary, Parliament can find a new speaker, from PPP or the opposition.

It will be very intereting to see how the EC decide on dropping the case against Yuth after the complainant removed the complaint on joining the coalition. The words of one of the EC memebers are worrying especially as underreprted as it is P-Net who are actually regarded as neutral have accused th named EC commisioner of being Yuths inside man on the commision by leaking the report and evidence to him. If this case just disappears or the evidence does things will be taking a bad turn. Why not just show the 8 Yuth videos on TV in parallel to the investigation so the electorate can judge for themselves? After all as the EC commisioner concerned points out it is a politcal case as well as a legal one and as the Post corectly argue politcal considerations should not impinge on the law as it has in the past.

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Acting Defense Minister does not oppose Samak but suggests military minister will inspire morale

Acting Minister of Defense General Boonrawd Somtas (บุญรอด สมทัศน์) stated that comments made by the Council for National Security (CNS) saying that the next Defense Minister should be of military stature were only opinions. General Boonrawd says that the CNS understand the fragile state of the nation’s political situation and would not cause unneeded disputes.

General Boonrawd made his comments upon speculation that People’s Power Party leader Samak Sundaravej may seek the Defense Minister position in addition to the Prime Minister’s seat. He said that he has no opposition to the idea but believes that a well known military official would inspire greater faith and morale in troops.

The defense minister mentioned such names as General Prawit Wongsuwan (ประวิตร วงษ์สุวรรณ) and General Somtat Attanant (สมทัต อัตตะนันทน์) both former Army Commanders as good candidates to succeed him as they are both well respected within the military.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 24 January 2008

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Reading the papers today it seems the finance minister position is not goin gto be one that can just be given to a talentless sycophant. This will present the PPP with difficulties as with its own internnal management system of not allowing decisions to be made except when OK'd by high command there will be in massive contradiction with having a finance minister who can make quick decisions on his/her own. That to date at a time of crisis the name of the PM is not even a total certainty let alone any of the ministers does not bode well for a government that will need to react quickly and in unison to a whole realm of potential problems.

As one of the papers touche don today, it will also be interesting to see how PPP deal with their stated policy of immediately scrapping capital controls which seems to contradict their desire to have a baht dollar ratio maintained at 35, which in itself is going to probably involve firing the Bank of Thailand governor undermining any belief in bank independence and using reserves in a creative way.

As each day goes by it does look like economically the PPP are in a bit of a bind and the coaltion are already starting to look inadequate whast with Banharb saying well we may get a cabinet by after like the Chinese New Year. It will end up being a couple of months from the election befor eth ecopuntry has a government and that while the world economy takes a dive. Very interesting times. Anyway lets watch the cheerleader of bangkok's biggest massacre and assorted other ones have his day in the sun getting the PMship before we focus on such negative aspects :o

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If the ongoing coffee-shop gossip materialises, we will see a number of "surrogates" acting on behalf of the real actors behind the scenes, some of them from the 111 former executives of the dissolved Thai Rak Thai Party.

I'd welcome that, actually. In fact I think it may be the only way a PPP government can weather an economic storm, if some of the capable ex TRT executives can be brought in as advisors / managers at the various departments.

Though in reality of course Surapong's statement (that the contributor above ran with as proof of a shadow government) was just about finding qualified people to fill the posts, which after the ban would come from a bit further afield. I'd welcome that, too.

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