The Smokers Thread

[pepsi666]

Just been reading this post, it makes sense to have a pub free from smokers, but what about having a pub free of customers ?

I went to a guys leaving do tonight, not a bad evening, there were both smokers and non smokers, the pub was empty, EVERYONE was in the outside smoking area, the pub doesnt have any signs up, ie smoking area, no smoking (it does have a ladies and gents toilet sign though)

I was asking the barmaid, why, she said its like this every night, no one likes being in here now, its too quiet, now this pub has no live music, no jukebox, it has a couple of one arm bandits and thats about it, there arent any 'kids' in the pub.

There were smokers and non smokers outside, no one asked the smokers to put their cigarettes out, there were no do gooders or any one on their high horse calling the police, it was just a very socialble evening

The only ashtray was a bucket of water, no fag ends on the floor, either

This is one of the most popular pubs in my area, they do a great pint and dont have kids or children in there, and its pretty packed every evening and weekends, so it wasnt a one off

It has chairs and tables outside, and posh padded chairs inside, so the inside is inviting, just empty of customers (no one bought their cigarrets in when they bought their drinks either)

I may get a slating for this, but both smokers and non smokers had a choice, no one tried imposing their will on anyone else, they just got on with their evening, (the only entertainment I saw was conversation)

There does seem a lot of non smokers trying to save smokers from themselves, I suppose the non drinkers will try and stop the drinkers from drinking next and the christians trying to save everyone from the whoever isnt a christian

Why is it the most polluted cities in the world are imposing the smoking bans ?

If a non smoker didnt like a pub, because there was a smoker in there, tell the manager why you were going to use the pub down the road, vote with your feet, the manager will either stop the smokers or just have smokers in there, EVEREYONE has a choice to use a pub or not (you can also tell the manager you are using the pub down the road, because you can enjoy a cigarette with your pint)

Cant blame JUST the smokers for the rise in chest infections, what about the cars, buses, trucks that chuck out a lot more carbons and more emissions than any smoker could (and just because you non smokers are inside, it doesnt stop any vehicle pollution from entering the ducts, so you asre still getting your daily dose of CO2 and various other nasties)

When all the smokers do go outside or even stop smoking, do you think that will stop the rise in chest infections ?

Cant see it myself, as long as we have cars, buses, trucks and the internal combustion engine (and as I have said BEFORE, they chuck out a lot more than a whole gang of smokers EVER could, and they smell a da* sight worse)

I have smoked and now dont, but live and let live

I dont have soap box and I dont try and impose my will on others, they know the risks, its their life, same as me, just get on with it

except the WE pay for their exra medical bills and WE have to engage in passive smoking.

Can all you passive smokers chip in for a packet of smokes now and then, please

Now why did you add the extra comment ?

That wasnt in my original post

I would have thought with all the tx on cigattes, smokers would be paying for their own treatment

You dont HAVE to be a passive smoker, dont use pubs that break the law (bit like dont use streets that you have a chance of getting mugged in)

[plasticpig]

name='wilko' date='2008-02-22 14:36:26' post='1832421']

The truth is that smoking lessens both your sense of taste AND smell as well as erectile function...so why would anyone want to sit around in public waving a lit sign about that says...

"I can't smell properly, can't taste properly, can't breath properly, I'm going to die early and I can't get it up" ?????????

Now, if you carry on like that, you will give yourself a hart attack

Calm down and have a smoke mate. or a quick tug

[prospero]

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name='wilko' date='2008-02-22 14:36:26' post='1832421']<br />The truth is that smoking lessens both your sense of taste AND smell as well as erectile function...so why would anyone want to sit around in public waving a lit sign about that says...<br /><br />"<font color="#0000ff">I can't smell properly, can't taste properly, can't breath properly, I'm going to die early and I can't get it up" ?????????<br /></font>

<br /><br /><br />Now, if you carry on like that, you will give yourself a hart attack<br /><br /> <br /><br />Calm down and have a smoke mate. or a quick tug <img src="style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> <br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />

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You seem to be addicted to both smoking and tugging. No wonder. Who would want to get near someone whose breath and body stinks?

[plasticpig]

[Mighty Mouse]

I understand it, but I am not the law,or a policeman, I take it both are aware of the law

You are also aware of the law. The authorities made it their duty to properly inform the public.

I suppose you could try a citizens arrest

I was saying you have a choice, you can walk on by if you dont want to breath in smoke

There are lots of things that are against the law, but they still happen

They happen because people like yourself intentionally break the law.

I also know that mugging and robbing/killing someone is against the law, but that doesnt stop it happening ( and you dont usually get a choice there, but you are aware of the areas it happens, do you use them ?|)

OK Mr Know-It_All, perhaps you'll be good enough to publish where the next mugging, serious assault or murder will take place so that we law abiding citizens can avoid the location.

You're complaining about bars that are breaking the law, so why use them ?

Why does the civilized world impose laws? Laws are designed for the benefit of the vast majority of people, to allow them to go about their lives in a peaceful, healthy and safe manner.

All citizens have a moral obligation to obey the law, irrespective of whether they support such law.

A necessary component of the law is the demand for obedience. Laws are not mere guidelines.

This thread is about the 'no-smoking' law. You, and a couple of the other nicotine junkies, say that this particular law is unjust. Yet those who oppose or disagree with this law are in the minority when compared to the wider community who support the legislation.

The 'no-smoking' law has been introduced to protect law abiding citizens, like myself, who don't appreciate being assaulted by the second hand smoke that comes from your irresponsible and offensive smoking habit.

The "choice" that you expect the law abiding citizens to make is to not enter a bar where smokers are openly defying the 'no-smoking' law.

Why should a minority of law breaking smokers force all law abiding citizens of the world to make that choice? We don't have to. The law is on our side.

The "choice" that you suggest really becomes yours. You now need to decide whether you are going to obey the law or face the consequences for disobeying it.

Any sane individual who is faced with this choice would be foolish to ignore other factors, such as timing, citizen intervention, the likelihood of being worse off if arrested and prosecuted, as well as the effect that any such prosecution may have on your family or your bank balance.

I have asked it before in other smoking threads and I'll ask it again, why is it so difficult for a smoker to walk outside to an open area to have a cigarette?

You could smoke it in less than five minutes and then return to the bar. The bar is then able to maintain clean breathing air for its patrons.

I have yet to receive a logical answer to my question.

[pepsi666]

I understand it, but I am not the law,or a policeman, I take it both are aware of the law

You are also aware of the law. The authorities made it their duty to properly inform the public.

I suppose you could try a citizens arrest

I was saying you have a choice, you can walk on by if you dont want to breath in smoke

There are lots of things that are against the law, but they still happen

They happen because people like yourself intentionally break the law.

I also know that mugging and robbing/killing someone is against the law, but that doesnt stop it happening ( and you dont usually get a choice there, but you are aware of the areas it happens, do you use them ?|)

OK Mr Know-It_All, perhaps you'll be good enough to publish where the next mugging, serious assault or murder will take place so that we law abiding citizens can avoid the location.

You're complaining about bars that are breaking the law, so why use them ?

Why does the civilized world impose laws? Laws are designed for the benefit of the vast majority of people, to allow them to go about their lives in a peaceful, healthy and safe manner.

All citizens have a moral obligation to obey the law, irrespective of whether they support such law.

A necessary component of the law is the demand for obedience. Laws are not mere guidelines.

This thread is about the 'no-smoking' law. You, and a couple of the other nicotine junkies, say that this particular law is unjust. Yet those who oppose or disagree with this law are in the minority when compared to the wider community who support the legislation.

The 'no-smoking' law has been introduced to protect law abiding citizens, like myself, who don't appreciate being assaulted by the second hand smoke that comes from your irresponsible and offensive smoking habit.

The "choice" that you expect the law abiding citizens to make is to not enter a bar where smokers are openly defying the 'no-smoking' law.

Why should a minority of law breaking smokers force all law abiding citizens of the world to make that choice? We don't have to. The law is on our side.

The "choice" that you suggest really becomes yours. You now need to decide whether you are going to obey the law or face the consequences for disobeying it.

Any sane individual who is faced with this choice would be foolish to ignore other factors, such as timing, citizen intervention, the likelihood of being worse off if arrested and prosecuted, as well as the effect that any such prosecution may have on your family or your bank balance.

I have asked it before in other smoking threads and I'll ask it again, why is it so difficult for a smoker to walk outside to an open area to have a cigarette?

You could smoke it in less than five minutes and then return to the bar. The bar is then able to maintain clean breathing air for its patrons.

I have yet to receive a logical answer to my question.

Yes I am aware of the law (and the law in the UK, US, Oz and anywhere else this law is) I am not breaking them, but HOW many laws you know about, do you break? (and I'm not talking about any smoking laws)

YOU obviously dont read replies that well, I dont smoke, it makes no difference if anyone else brealks the law with regard to smoking, I wont be smoking

In fact I'd rather eat my meals outside anyway, I hate A/C

You really do have a bee in your bonnet about this, but life is too short to worry about some pompos twit going on about it, GET OVER IT !!!!

The law maybe on your side, but I dare say a mugger will know that its on yourside(the law), I doubt that will stop him though

Prostitution is against the law as well, its been around a lot longer than cigarettes, but it still persists, and I dont see you spouting on over that

Edited February 24, 2008 by pepsi666

[sureerat9]

I understand it, but I am not the law,or a policeman, I take it both are aware of the law

You are also aware of the law. The authorities made it their duty to properly inform the public.

I suppose you could try a citizens arrest

I was saying you have a choice, you can walk on by if you dont want to breath in smoke

There are lots of things that are against the law, but they still happen

They happen because people like yourself intentionally break the law.

I also know that mugging and robbing/killing someone is against the law, but that doesnt stop it happening ( and you dont usually get a choice there, but you are aware of the areas it happens, do you use them ?|)

OK Mr Know-It_All, perhaps you'll be good enough to publish where the next mugging, serious assault or murder will take place so that we law abiding citizens can avoid the location.

You're complaining about bars that are breaking the law, so why use them ?

Why does the civilized world impose laws? Laws are designed for the benefit of the vast majority of people, to allow them to go about their lives in a peaceful, healthy and safe manner.

All citizens have a moral obligation to obey the law, irrespective of whether they support such law.

A necessary component of the law is the demand for obedience. Laws are not mere guidelines.

This thread is about the 'no-smoking' law. You, and a couple of the other nicotine junkies, say that this particular law is unjust. Yet those who oppose or disagree with this law are in the minority when compared to the wider community who support the legislation.

The 'no-smoking' law has been introduced to protect law abiding citizens, like myself, who don't appreciate being assaulted by the second hand smoke that comes from your irresponsible and offensive smoking habit.

The "choice" that you expect the law abiding citizens to make is to not enter a bar where smokers are openly defying the 'no-smoking' law.

Why should a minority of law breaking smokers force all law abiding citizens of the world to make that choice? We don't have to. The law is on our side.

The "choice" that you suggest really becomes yours. You now need to decide whether you are going to obey the law or face the consequences for disobeying it.

Any sane individual who is faced with this choice would be foolish to ignore other factors, such as timing, citizen intervention, the likelihood of being worse off if arrested and prosecuted, as well as the effect that any such prosecution may have on your family or your bank balance.

I have asked it before in other smoking threads and I'll ask it again, why is it so difficult for a smoker to walk outside to an open area to have a cigarette?

You could smoke it in less than five minutes and then return to the bar. The bar is then able to maintain clean breathing air for its patrons.

I have yet to receive a logical answer to my question.

Yes I am aware of the law (and the law in the UK, US, Oz and anywhere else this law is) I am not breaking them, but HOW many laws you know about, do you break? (and I'm not talking about any smoking laws)

YOU obviously dont read replies that well, I dont smoke, it makes no difference if anyone else brealks the law with regard to smoking, I wont be smoking

In fact I'd rather eat my meals outside anyway, I hate A/C

You really do have a bee in your bonnet about this, but life is too short to worry about some pompos twit going on about it, GET OVER IT !!!!

The law maybe on your side, but I dare say a mugger will know that its on yourside(the law), I doubt that will stop him though

Prostitution is against the law as well, its been around a lot longer than cigarettes, but it still persists, and I dont see you spouting on over that

[pepsi666]

Now sureerat9 WHAT was the point of that ?

Rather suilly, everyone can read the thread, why repeat it ?

[Thaddeus]

The 'no-smoking' law has been introduced to protect law abiding citizens, like myself

Has it really?

Not just another way of generating funds then?

Wait until they come up a law that cancels out your 'law abiding citizen' status.

[Mighty Mouse]

Yes I am aware of the law (and the law in the UK, US, Oz and anywhere else this law is) I am not breaking them, but HOW many laws you know about, do you break? (and I'm not talking about any smoking laws)

I try not to intentionally break any laws....including traffic laws.

People with any common sense will be able to understand why certain laws are in place and if they have any decency about them, they will obey the laws.

YOU obviously dont read replies that well, I dont smoke, it makes no difference if anyone else brealks the law with regard to smoking, I wont be smoking

You probably don't murder people either so do you also support murderers as much as you support smokers?

I don't regard myself as a "pompous twit" and I certainly don't have a "bee in my bonnet" about smoking, but I have been waiting a long time for these laws to be introduced and now that they're here, I can now look forward to socializing in the various venues without having to inhale harmful cigarette toxins.

With regard to the other matters you raised, (mugging, prostitution) this thread is only about smoking, so I have structured my posts around that subject.

...and by the way...you didn't answer my question at the bottom of my last post.

[ClaytonSeymour]

The 'no-smoking' law has been introduced to protect law abiding citizens, like myself

Has it really?

Not just another way of generating funds then? Generating funds - yes, also copying developed nations. For non-smokers there's a benefit, irrespective of the reasoning behind the action, so no complaints.

Wait until they come up a law that cancels out your 'law abiding citizen' status. Personally, as a law abiding citizen I would have to obey - like it or not.

I wonder how those defending smoking in public would react if someone was breaking the law & contaminating their land/water supply with Carcinogenic material. Just keep quiet, sit back and accept it?

[Mighty Mouse]

The 'no-smoking' law has been introduced to protect law abiding citizens, like myself

Has it really?

Not just another way of generating funds then?

Generate funds for who? Certainly not the government and they introduced the law. In fact, if this law is stringently enforced and smokers quit their smoking habit, the government will lose revenue.

Will it generate funds for the local police? It could do, but they would need to enforce it before they could seek a bribe not to impose the full fine upon you.

If you are suggesting that the government introduced this law so that police could solicit a bribe from smokers, then excuse me whilst I split my sides laughing.

[Naam]

I have asked it before in other smoking threads and I'll ask it again, why is it so difficult for a smoker to walk outside to an open area to have a cigarette?

it's not difficult at all and i have done it many times when in a smoke free environment (although not bars as i don't frequent bars). you get resentment from smokers when trying to tell them how bad smoking is for their health (because we smokers know that except those of us who are brain-amputated) and some other shit² (coming from another poster) like "my farts smell better than cigarette smoke".

[Naam]

If you are suggesting that the government introduced this law so that police could solicit a bribe from smokers, then excuse me whilst I split my sides laughing.

that was definitely not the government's intention but it will be the result.

[Thaddeus]

If you are suggesting that the government introduced this law so that police could solicit a bribe from smokers, then excuse me whilst I split my sides laughing.

that was definitely not the government's intention but it will be the result.

Indeed.

And anyone who can't see that is incredibly naive.

[sweetchariot]

Do we really want a dictatorial nanny state that would consider things like this

It's all going a bit too far I reckon.

[Basil B]

I think it may be a good idea, £10 (600THB) is not a lot for a one off payment and should reduce the the problem of cigarettes being sold to minors.

BB

[Phil Conners]

Great idea ... but why only £10? Make it £1,000!!!

[sweetchariot]

Great idea ... but why only £10? Make it £1,000!!!

It's not the money, it's the principal. It's either legal or it's not. What about tourists or expats visiting for a few weeks - absolutely nuts.

[Phil Conners]

So ban cigarettes outright.

[wilko]

name='wilko' date='2008-02-22 14:36:26' post='1832421']

The truth is that smoking lessens both your sense of taste AND smell as well as erectile function...so why would anyone want to sit around in public waving a lit sign about that says...

"I can't smell properly, can't taste properly, can't breath properly, I'm going to die early and I can't get it up" ?????????

Now, if you carry on like that, you will give yourself a hart attack

Calm down and have a smoke mate. or a quick tug

I knew smoking caused heart disease AND brain disease so I guess it gives you dyslexia too....unless you think I might be attacked by a deer?

Edited February 25, 2008 by wilko

[Mighty Mouse]

So ban cigarettes outright.

Should you ever consider running for Prime Minister or President, you can be assured of my vote.

[Mighty Mouse]

I have asked it before in other smoking threads and I'll ask it again, why is it so difficult for a smoker to walk outside to an open area to have a cigarette?

it's not difficult at all and i have done it many times when in a smoke free environment (although not bars as i don't frequent bars). you get resentment from smokers when trying to tell them how bad smoking is for their health (because we smokers know that except those of us who are brain-amputated) and some other shit² (coming from another poster) like "my farts smell better than cigarette smoke".

You're the first to confirm how easy it is to have a smoke outside where nobody can be affected.

I guess those who can't or won't take the short walk are legless amputees or have gigantic bar stool beer bellies that are too heavy to make regular walks outside.

That just goes to prove that heavy smoking and fitness are worlds apart.

[McGinty]

So ban cigarettes outright.

More dangerous than cigarettes - MOTORBIKES!

I wish these could be banned.

[wilko]

So ban cigarettes outright.

More dangerous than cigarettes - MOTORBIKES!

I wish these could be banned.

"More dangerous than cigarettes - MOTORBIKES!"

And where on earth, pray, do you get that crazy idea from?

[wilko]

Imagine having a drug habit, it doesn't get you high, it doesn't make you happy, it doesn't change your mood or perception in any way. You can't give it up because you're addicted, the people you buy the drug off know how addictive it is AND they know how harmful it is AND they know it has absolutely no benefits for you whatsoever, BUT they know that if they can get you to take just enough you will buy their product for the rest of your (shortened) life....imagine a business that does no good to anyone has a product that is so useless you might as well just burn it, and yet their customers are customers for life even though they know the product is harmful and they would rather not use it.

and the spin-off?....huge profits for the companies and massive health bills for all the users, relatives and anyone who has any medical insurance whether nationalised or private.

Surely only a complete idiot would fall for a scam like that????????

Edited February 25, 2008 by wilko

[plasticpig]

name='wilko' date='2008-02-22 14:36:26' post='1832421']

The truth is that smoking lessens both your sense of taste AND smell as well as erectile function...so why would anyone want to sit around in public waving a lit sign about that says...

"I can't smell properly, can't taste properly, can't breath properly, I'm going to die early and I can't get it up" ?????????

Now, if you carry on like that, you will give yourself a hart attack

Calm down and have a smoke mate. or a quick tug

I knew smoking caused heart disease AND brain disease so I guess it gives you dyslexia too....unless you think I might be attacked by a deer?

That was just nasty,

Yes I am dyslexic or just thick as we were called at school.

Sorry if I offended you or Mr Mouse, with a reference to masturbation.

But your ranting and your side kicks ranting in the

(Smokers Thread Antis Not Allowed) just seems to be over the top.

BTW im a Non smoker.

This is my last comment in this thread.

Good bye..

Edited February 25, 2008 by plasticpig

[wilko]

name='wilko' date='2008-02-22 14:36:26' post='1832421']

The truth is that smoking lessens both your sense of taste AND smell as well as erectile function...so why would anyone want to sit around in public waving a lit sign about that says...

"I can't smell properly, can't taste properly, can't breath properly, I'm going to die early and I can't get it up" ?????????

Now, if you carry on like that, you will give yourself a hart attack

Calm down and have a smoke mate. or a quick tug

I knew smoking caused heart disease AND brain disease so I guess it gives you dyslexia too....unless you think I might be attacked by a deer?

That was just nasty,

Yes I am dyslexic or just thick as we were called at school.

Sorry if I offended you or Mr Mouse, with a reference to masturbation.

But your ranting and your side kicks ranting in the

(Smokers Thread Antis Not Allowed) just seems to be over the top.

BTW im a Non smoker.

This is my last comment in this thread.

Good bye..

every cloud..........

[Naam]

I wonder how those defending smoking in public would react if someone was breaking the law & contaminating their land/water supply with Carcinogenic material. Just keep quiet, sit back and accept it?

most of the civilian population in Afghanistan and Iraq have no other choice than to keep quiet and sit back although their areas were polluted (for milleniae to come) with depleted uranium which is much more carcinogenic than the smoke of godzillions of cigarettes. please define "smoking in public".

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