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Hi

I have been given a pendant that emits scalar energy (I think this type of subtle energy has other names too). It had immediate testable / tangible results as soon as I held it. Not only that, I felt some kind of subtle realignment.

I thought it was too good to be true so I tested it on other people, mainly farangs in Pattaya (not the best choice for testing subtleties). I was surprised that it also worked on 50% of them immediately.

This is a brand new product from a Japanese lab that has been designed to improve health by harmonising subtle energies and improving water by breaking down clusters and giving it natural vitality. There are many health benefits, but an interesting side effect is that it optimises people to perform. Many business people and sports stars are convinced it has improved there performance and many others are convinced it has improved their life. There are an enormous amount of testimonials.

Obviously these kind of products are of interest to a less sceptical audience, so to keep things simple I would prefer not to get into a long debate about the pros, cons and validity of this. Just trying to establish if there is any interest.

Cheers

Stuart

Posted (edited)

Tell you what save your money and buy this book instead

"SUCKERS - How alternative medicine makes fools of all of us" by Rose Shapiro

It will save you money :o:D

As she also points out in chapter 2 how to spot a quack "Harmony" is so 80's and passe now in quackery - its now "balance" but please do not let that stop you scamming

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Alternative medicine of various types is accepted in western medicine to a limited degree, though not necessarily fully understood from a normal science view.

Anyway, I don't disagree with what you said. I thought it was fluff too. If you look at the website and see the demos on the right side. I have tested this on 10 people and 50% showed noticeable improvements immediately, with or without my involvement. I found this quite amazing so here is the thread to share. I am not a distributor, I only have one.

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Alternative medicine of various types is accepted in western medicine to a limited degree, though not necessarily fully understood from a normal science view.

Anyway, I don't disagree with what you said. I thought it was fluff too. If you look at the website and see the demos on the right side. I have tested this on 10 people and 50% showed noticeable improvements immediately, with or without my involvement. I found this quite amazing so here is the thread to share. I am not a distributor, I only have one.

Just because some Dr's offer CAM does not mean it is accepted in western medicine unless you are aying the fact that some Dr offers it is the acceptance is the limited degree- most rational Dr's working in "Evidence based medicine" (as CAM has no evidence at all) think its the quackery that it is and can be dangerous at that.

I am sure you relevant sample size and statistical anlaysis together with the scintific "Improvements immediately" will get this passed by EMEA and the FDA - we await your billions!

Quackery - pure and simple but at least it seems its only releiving fools of money - its when they say they can cure cancer etc these idiots become dangerous as they prey on weak individuals

Posted
Just trying to establish if there is any interest.

i'm sure there's a lot of interest as a sucker is born every minute.

Posted (edited)

You are not responding to what I said. There is nothing here about promoting a miracle cure for anything. I have had it less than a week. It works on me and the video demos tests shown on the website worked on 50% of the people I have approached. This is unique in my limited experience.

To qualify "it works on me". The tests for balance, strength and agility all worked. I also felt in general better wearing it.

On your arguement! Show me any western medical papers that FULLY details the subtle science of energy flows required to establish effective accupuncture or Reiki. Both accepted in western hospitals (limited).

The purpose of this thread is not a debate about medical science.

Maybe better PM as I am not going to get into a hostile debate.

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You are not responding to what I said. There is nothing here about promoting a miracle cure for anything. I have had it less than a week. It works on me and the video demos tests shown on the website worked on 50% of the people I have approached. This is unique in my limited experience.

To qualify "it works on me". The tests for balance, strength and agility all worked. I also felt in general better wearing it.

On your arguement! Show me any western medical papers that FULLY details the subtle science of energy flows required to establish effective accupuncture or Reiki. Both accepted in western hospitals (limited).

The purpose of this thread is not a debate about medical science.

Maybe better PM as I am not going to get into a hostile debate.

Nothing hostile about it

Please point me to the double blinded with placebo where possible clinical trials conducted under internationally recognised guidlines such as GCP that have shown any CAM including crystals, accupuncture or reiki to work.

PS: there is no subtle science about crystals - there is no science - its nonesense

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If its good enough for millions of people world wide, some of them at the forefront in there field, being doctors and professors, additionally has a verifiable traceable history going back thousands of years - then I have no anguish in saying its good enough for me if I believe it improves my life. This is about crystals, Reiki and acupuncture, none of which i currently use by the way. I have no need to have it stamped by money orientated pharmaceutical monopolies.

About this particular object we are talking about in this thread, if you had paid attention to the website I pointed to, you would have seen that it functions using scalar energy.

"made from natural minerals that are fused and structurally bonded together at a molecular level. It produces scalar energy that helps to enhance the body’s biofield. The pendant promotes positive flow of energy and helps to maintain energy balance. It helps to restore energy that has become weak in the body. By restoring the energy balance in the body this pendant helps one to maintain health and well-being."

If you want to learn about scalar energy then you might start by a brief look at Tesla's work starting 100 years ago. This like quantum mechanics isn't well understood by most and doesn't get much general attention. But is extremely powerful and one of the most important arms of science especially for the military. This is the subject of subtle realm which has many established scientist worldwide working.

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If its good enough for millions of people world wide, some of them at the forefront in there field, being doctors and professors, additionally has a verifiable traceable history going back thousands of years - then I have no anguish in saying its good enough for me if I believe it improves my life. This is about crystals, Reiki and acupuncture, none of which i currently use by the way. I have no need to have it stamped by money orientated pharmaceutical monopolies.

About this particular object we are talking about in this thread, if you had paid attention to the website I pointed to, you would have seen that it functions using scalar energy.

"made from natural minerals that are fused and structurally bonded together at a molecular level. It produces scalar energy that helps to enhance the body’s biofield. The pendant promotes positive flow of energy and helps to maintain energy balance. It helps to restore energy that has become weak in the body. By restoring the energy balance in the body this pendant helps one to maintain health and well-being."

If you want to learn about scalar energy then you might start by a brief look at Tesla's work starting 100 years ago. This like quantum mechanics isn't well understood by most and doesn't get much general attention. But is extremely powerful and one of the most important arms of science especially for the military. This is the subject of subtle realm which has many established scientist worldwide working.

Good for you. And wow you are brave espousing the virtues amongst a bunch of....well many words to describe those that linger at the depths of TV!

The best things in this world are those that science has yet failed to measure or define. Good on you! :o

Posted
Yawn - pseudo-science crap fleecing the terminally stupid.

but one has to admit that faith can move mountains.

Posted

Just had a look at the sight - absolutely hilarious

Another MLM scheme (if not a pyramid) for the foolish - OP how much was your starter pack :o:D:D:D

Got any downline yet :D:D:D

Mr Ponzi wants to join

Posted
Yawn - pseudo-science crap fleecing the terminally stupid.

but one has to admit that faith can move mountains.

Where and when? I'd say that explosives and a lot of heavy equipment would be required to move a mountain.

Posted

Did you seriously think that anyone would comment positively on what you posted? Seriously this is Thai Visa .com. Unless what you post is FACT and prooved beyond a shadow of a doubt you are leaving yourself open for a whole lot of,,,, well what you,ve got basically. Still I am sure this is just a leg pull anyway. Had you said that woman where dropping at your feet wanting to know the secret of your youthfullness you might get a few inquisitive replys or questions from some.

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:o OK gang, enough with the insults.

I'm not exactly rushing off to get one myself, but let's keep the dialogue civil.

The OP has one of these things and feels that it is beneficial. Anyone who wants to know more, ask him or google it. Those who think the whole idea is nonsense, this sentiment has already (and not always very nicely) been expressed several times and need not be repeated.

Posted
Yawn - pseudo-science crap fleecing the terminally stupid.

but one has to admit that faith can move mountains.

Where and when? I'd say that explosives and a lot of heavy equipment would be required to move a mountain.

the mountain is only proverbial Gary. fact is that placebos and homeopathic "medicines" (diluted x^-99) prove the power of faith.

Posted (edited)
Yawn - pseudo-science crap fleecing the terminally stupid.

but one has to admit that faith can move mountains.

Where and when? I'd say that explosives and a lot of heavy equipment would be required to move a mountain.

the mountain is only proverbial Gary. fact is that placebos and homeopathic "medicines" (diluted x^-99) prove the power of faith.

Anecdotes do not prove anything - proof must be repeatable in the same circumstances each time.

I do accept the placebo effect (in humans but not animals) but in what disease has it worked - an ordinary headache or terminal cancer?

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Well I believe it. It was stated in writing that it helped the OP.

If I am wrong that would make it spam, or that the OP is a deluded nut; and that seems unlikely on an internet forum.

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Well I believe it. It was stated in writing that it helped the OP.

If I am wrong that would make it spam, or that the OP is a deluded nut; and that seems unlikely on an internet forum.

I like their "Simple" downline payment structure - more about that than any healing powers :o

Ponzi would be proud.

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I find this a bit like arguing that Christianity is the real religion, and Judaism is not. Respect other beliefs.

My 10 cents worth is, that if some believes in it, it has real benefits for them and it makes them feel good, then its worth the money - for them.

After all, what does Gucci / Armani etc do for many women ! Also a scam / waste of money for many, but not for others.

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....has been designed to improve health by harmonising subtle energies and improving water by breaking down clusters and giving it natural vitality.

"Harmonising Subtle Energies" How?

Does my water have "clusters" than require breaking down?

Like my lucky rabbit's foot - wasn't very lucky for the rabbit. Maybe the market for these pentants is ripe now as the Thai Lucky Buddha amulet market has recently crashed.

Anyone want to buy a Rabbit's foot? - only two previous owners, low kilometers, idea spare or for small magic tricks, fully functional as a paper weight for gentle brezzes.

  • 4 weeks later...
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there is nothing wrong with believing all generally accepted science. some things cant be proven outright eg, where does the essence of energy derive that causes everything at every moment. Also, gravity,very woolly ideas about what it really is.

enough of that, something else that doesn't have an accepted comprehensive formula in limited science....SCALAR ENERGY...see attached and make your own mind up.

I have witnessed this with significant improvements on almost everyone in the past 3 weeks.

barron_report_on_scalar_energy.pdf

Posted

FusionExcel is a dangerous company running a scam - they are fleecing people out of millions of baht.

I was brought to this site because one of my friends has been suckered into it and seems he has lost a lot of money. Now he is starting to lose friends.

He has done things like this before, everyone knows he gets into strange stuff. We call it "him going into one of his trances again".

About a couple of weeks ago he started acting strangely. We were just talking about business when suddenly and strangely he said he "had a test" for me and my gf. The way he was acting made us feel uneasy, like he was in some kind of altered state, seemed to be staring right through us. Creepy. He brought out one of these pendants and claimed that they could make us twice as strong. I told him I was highly sceptical. Nevertheless we tried the strength test which simply consisted of us trying to pull our fingers apart. There was absolutely no difference with or without the pendant. I told him it was a quack. He seemed to suddenly snap out of it, agreed that it probably was a quack, and we left it at that.

Now he is bothering me and all our other friends all the time about it. We have all told him that we have no interest in it, but he won't let it drop. He is constantly trying to convince us, in all sorts of ways, that these things work. He constantly talks about it and claims he has sold several (at about 10000Bt each stone) each day we see him. I have subsequently found out that this is not true. As far as I can tell, he hasn't sold any. All the stones he had before are all still there in that fusionexcel bag. I also got him to admit to me that he has spent over 4000 pounds (sterling) on these stones, intending to sell them on. He tries to seem convinced, but when I poke far enough I realise that he actually has strong doubts but somehow represses them. I wonder if it is facing up to his mistake that he cannot handle.

He admits that it is a pyramid selling scheme. He is attending all their seminars and meetings, prints out pages from the website to show me, bombards me with emails about the stones. I'm sick of it. I have studied quantum physics and NONE of this stuff makes even the slightest bit of sense. It is all made up nonsense. There are no references to clinical trials with any kind of recognised standards. There are only testimonies.

This company is a sick bunch of mind control quacks, using cheap tricks to con people. This is also a pyramid selling or Ponzi style scheme. In other countries there are laws against this and it is considered akin to fraud. These people are trying to rip you off. If they draw you into this scam it will tar your relationships and lose you money, as has happened to my friend.

Stay away from FusionExcel and any other quack remedy scams!

Posted

I must declare an interest here. I once bought an Amway starter pack :D

Have to say using marketing language is a dead giveaway.

It used to be crystals, then stones, which had various energetic healing properties. How do you know the item you are paying big money for is energised at all or to the needed frequency? What happens when I use my mobile or microwave? Will I accidentally wipe the energy signature and have to cough up for a new pendant?

On the other hand, doesn't the medical community use similar devices itself? What is radiation therapy but the direct application of high intensity energy to the body to achieve a specific healing result? Ultrasound, the same thing -- just a different form of energy with a different frequency. When the medical community uses energy for healing it's considered "science," but when alternative healers do the same thing, it's called "quackery".

There are far too many conning the public. How many daft men have paid for baldness cures or penis enlargers? :o We are all so blinded by slick marketing and pseudo science the charlatans can sell us anything.

This needs a seperate thread but the underlying problem is the loss of confidence the public have in mainstream medicine. Everyone talks about the advances in treatment but there's little or no talk about cures despite regular 'a cure is just around the corner' media hypes that are quickly forgotten. So I move between Allopathic medicine when I need emergency care and natural methods when I'm looking for non-toxic solutions.

Allopathic medicine will scream bloody murder if one energy pendant harms a patient but is strangely quiet on the millions who are adversely affected or die from drug side effects or Iatrogenic (medical intervention) causes. Do a search for 'death by medicine', you'll be shocked.

Sorry to challenge the moderators but are you aware that there is concern over the reliability of Published studies and Scientific Journals? See links...

<h1 class="articleTitle" style="margin: 0px;">'Most Science Studies Appear to Be Tainted By Sloppy Analysis'</h1> http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB118...3557627104.html

'Dr. Ioannidis 2005 essay "Why Most Published Research Findings Are False" remains the most downloaded technical paper that the journal PLoS Medicine has ever published'

http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/...d4dbd850f97e5e8

'Merck wrote drug studies for doctors.'

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/16/business/16vioxx.php

'The drug maker Merck drafted dozens of research studies for a best-selling drug, then lined up prestigious doctors to put their names on the reports before publication'.

'The lead author of Wednesday's article, Dr. Joseph Ross of the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, said a close look at the Merck documents raised broad questions about the validity of much of the drug industry's published research, because the ghostwriting practice appears to be widespread.'

"It almost calls into question all legitimate research that's been conducted by the pharmaceutical industry with the academic physician," said Ross, whose article, written with colleagues, was published Wednesday in JAMA, The Journal of the American Medical Association, and posted Tuesday on the journal's Web site." http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/299/15/1800

Also from the Tribune - 'Cigarette company paid for lung cancer study in U.S.'

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/26/hea...ence/26lung.php

A new book Trust Us- We're Experts also highlights this problem. The jacket says...

'We count on the experts. We count on them to tell us who to vote for, what to eat, how to raise our children. We watch them on TV, listen to them on the radio, read their opinions in magazine and newspaper articles and letters to the editor. We trust them to tell us what to think, because there's too much information out there and not enough hours in a day to sort it all out.

Giant corporations employ sophisticated psychiatric techniques, unscrupulous public figures, junk science, tainted studies and clever PR mercenaries in a relentless effort to market products that routinely kill, maim, deform and poison consumers and our environment.

These entities reshape our reality, manufacture our consent, get us to part with our money, even change our lives. We should stop trusting them right this second.

'Academic Research Tainted by Commercial Funding. Medical Tests Skewed, Study Finds'

http://www.mindfully.org/Health/2003/Acade...cial22jan03.htm

We all know how the Tobacco Industry cooked the books for years until a brave whistleblower revealed their shady practices. And doctors?

'Did you know that 4 out of 5 doctors prefer Camel cigarettes over the next brand?' :D ---- Cough! Cough! Must have relied on the tobacco Industry studies ----!!

I also wonder, if ANY cure was to be found, whether studies demonstrating such would be published at all? Dr. Max Gerson claimed this before he died. Wouldn't the industry, which is run by businessmen and not the medical profession, who are making billions and have a monopoly, train all their guns on the upstart and squash him like a bug? Treatments are heavily promoted, the more expensive the better. Cures would be a disaster and end the gravy train.

This is why the Medical Mafia shut down competition due to 'lack of scientific proof'. It's misleading. No-one can afford to go through the incredibly expensive FDA clinical trials because patents are not allowed on natural products. The FDA is in the pocket of drug companies who rely on patents to allow them to recoup the millions they have to spend on the trials. It's a rigged game against all competition and natural medicine is shut out and then discredited by an avalanche of misleading and tainted studies.

I'd dearly like to believe that doctors, who are being misled, are still part of the 'health' industry and not the 'sickness' industry. My research tells me its less and less likely. Sincere doctors and nurses who I have the utmost respect for, are being undermined by corrupt politicians and for-profit pharmaceutical cartels.

So I'm off to buy my energy pendant. At least the side effects (or are they the main effects?) won't polish me off.

Peace.

  • 2 years later...
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I insisted on a week's trial before buying one of these pendants, after a lot of pressure selling tactics. After 3 days wearing it 24x7, I returned it having felt nothing, except surprise at the huge mark-up, for what is basically a piece of etched glass.

A fool and his money...?

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