Kevin Quill Sent Back To Prison For Six Years

[wpcoe]

The article: "Businessman Sent Back to Jail" explains how Mr. Quill is now back in Thai prison for the (in)famous Boyztown "pink baht" scandal.

Andrew Drummond has been involved in the case (see andrew-drummond.com/my-work/news/ with many related links at the bottom), as well.

[Jingthing]

Guilty or not in objective reality, he has been found guilty by the Thai courts. This is a man that though clearly no saint has severe health problems (throat cancer) so a six year prison sentence in Thailand could easily be a death sentence. What can be done to save this man's life?

I write as someone who is not in any way Mr. Quill's friend, but where is the compassion for a sick older man?

Edited April 10, 2008 by Jingthing

[awayfoe]

Guilty or not in objective reality, he has been found guilty by the Thai courts. This is a man that though clearly no saint has severe health problems (throat cancer) so a six year prison sentence in Thailand could easily be a death sentence. What can be done to save this man's life?

I write as someone who is not in any way Mr. Quill's friend, but where is the compassion for a sick older man?

objective reality ? how can you save the life when the sick older man have throat cancer ?

You can do nothing ! only cancer specialist can try something ..............maybe.

that's the objectiv reality...........................

[Jingthing]

His cancer has been treated. He has a hole in his throat. He needs frequent medical attention. He needs good food and a clean environment. Do you think he will get that in a Thai prison?

Edited April 10, 2008 by Jingthing

[misterman21]

A society is judged by the compassion it shows to unfortunate people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited April 10, 2008 by misterman21

[Jingthing]

Apparently, he is only 45. Sorry to call him an old man. But he certainly is a stressed man. I don't know if he is really guilty or not. Perhaps I would feel more harshly towards him if I was convinced of his guilt, but there certainly does appear from a western point of view to be some very reasonable doubts about his guilt. If that sounds disrespectful towards the Pattaya police and Thailand justice system, so be it.

Edited April 10, 2008 by Jingthing

[jonniebkk]

Why is there always a big hew and cry whenever a farang gets sent up the river after being convicted of crimes in Thailand? I don't care if the guy has cancer or had his voice box removed. He may die in a Thai prison...so what, we're all gonna die sometime...live with it.

I mean, to hear his family complain about the justice system in foreign countries really takes the cake...like they still look at everywhere but bloody ole Great Britain as a colony. They need to get past their colonial mentality...call in the Foreign Ministry for heaven's sake. Extra-territoriality was abolished like 100 years ago...get used to it. And you gotta love their statement..."the whole court proceeding was a farce...it was ALL conducted in THAI." Give me a <deleted>&n break!

[Jingthing]

J, this isn't just any case. There are extenuating circumstances and some very shady characters (posing as respectable Pattaya business tycoons) involved in perhaps framing him. Mr Quill may be such a shady character himself, but I wonder if he would be so dumb as to intentionally smuggle yaba? It doesn't add up.

I agree comments from his family about the Thai language being used in Thai courts are not helpful.

Edited April 10, 2008 by Jingthing

[bubblehead]

The other two queens clearly had a vested interest in setting this guy up. The whole thing stinks to high heaven. Even a senior police officer admits he was set up. Granted he was no angel himself but that doesn't make whats happened right. It certainly shows the dark underside of Pattaya. A lesson to all potencial business partners out there!

[jonniebkk]

J, this isn't just any case. There are extenuating circumstances and some very shady characters (posing as respectable Pattaya business tycoons) involved in perhaps framing him. Mr Quill may be such a shady character himself, but I wonder if he would be so dumb as to intentionally smuggle yaba? It doesn't add up.

I remember reading about this case a number of years ago in the local rags. Seems I recall he was also smuggling loads of English fags [no, not his friends but cigarettes] into the country too...along with his yaba. Maybe he was set-up maybe he wasn't, who knows. He was no babe in the woods and maybe should have chosen his associates better...as he should know better than most, some queens can be fierce

He had his trial and appellate review. The fact somebody says now he was set up doesn't mean beans legally. After admitted testimony/evidence not presented at the original trial are irrelevant, as the testimony was never introduced in court so there was no opportunity to test and cross-examine it.

Why is this police fellow so vocal now...somebody's family paying him make such claims?

[bubblehead]

Seems I recall he was also smuggling loads of English fags [no, not his friends but cigarettes] into the country too...

[awayfoe]

bla bla and bla bla always same ......................;

here it's Thailand

if you are farang and make a business ok why not ??

risk is part of business .....................objective reality !!!!!!

sometime winner .............sometime looser .................

[bubblehead]

bla bla and bla bla always same ......................;

here it's Thailand

if you are farang and make a business ok why not ??

risk is part of business .....................objective reality !!!!!!

sometime winner .............sometime looser .................

Yes but in this case he appears to of had his pants pulled down by the Thai police and a couple of drag queens

[breezein]

Why is there always a big hew and cry whenever a farang gets sent up the river after being convicted of crimes in Thailand? I don't care if the guy has cancer or had his voice box removed. He may die in a Thai prison...so what, we're all gonna die sometime...live with it.

I mean, to hear his family complain about the justice system in foreign countries really takes the cake...like they still look at everywhere but bloody ole Great Britain as a colony. They need to get past their colonial mentality...call in the Foreign Ministry for heaven's sake. Extra-territoriality was abolished like 100 years ago...get used to it. And you gotta love their statement..."the whole court proceeding was a farce...it was ALL conducted in THAI." Give me a <deleted>&n break!

I have read several of your posts most of which seem to be posted arter the bars close maybe that is why you come accross like a loud mouthed WakNRe

[Jingthing]

This link though dated provides a good background on this sensational case.

This is most certainly not just another case, nor is Mr. Quill's guilt definite by western standards, and I think we have not heard the last of it.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn41..._n12586343/pg_1

Edited April 11, 2008 by Jingthing

[pricklyheat]

I have read several of your posts most of which seem to be posted arter the bars close maybe that is why you come accross like a loud mouthed WakNRe

Seconded!.............

Kevin was set up without a doubt. From what I am led to believe, Lumsden & May have now sold the Ambience hotel & associated business' for what is said to be in excess of over a million pounds sterling, however, Lumsden remains for a two year time period before final handover.

[okay]

J, this isn't just any case. There are extenuating circumstances and some very shady characters (posing as respectable Pattaya business tycoons) involved in perhaps framing him. Mr Quill may be such a shady character himself, but I wonder if he would be so dumb as to intentionally smuggle yaba? It doesn't add up.

I remember reading about this case a number of years ago in the local rags. Seems I recall he was also smuggling loads of English fags [no, not his friends but cigarettes] into the country too...along with his yaba. Maybe he was set-up maybe he wasn't, who knows. He was no babe in the woods and maybe should have chosen his associates better...as he should know better than most, some queens can be fierce

He had his trial and appellate review. The fact somebody says now he was set up doesn't mean beans legally. After admitted testimony/evidence not presented at the original trial are irrelevant, as the testimony was never introduced in court so there was no opportunity to test and cross-examine it.

Why is this police fellow so vocal now...somebody's family paying him make such claims?

[okay]

Why is there always a big hew and cry whenever a farang gets sent up the river after being convicted of crimes in Thailand? I don't care if the guy has cancer or had his voice box removed. He may die in a Thai prison...so what, we're all gonna die sometime...live with it.

I mean, to hear his family complain about the justice system in foreign countries really takes the cake...like they still look at everywhere but bloody ole Great Britain as a colony. They need to get past their colonial mentality...call in the Foreign Ministry for heaven's sake. Extra-territoriality was abolished like 100 years ago...get used to it. And you gotta love their statement..."the whole court proceeding was a farce...it was ALL conducted in THAI." Give me a <deleted>&n break!

[Ouote by okay

After reading you comments you clearly dont know anything about Mr Quills case, I have to say you are narrow minded and most likley are a homafobe but that besides the point.

If you read back through any articles written by reporter Andreww Drummand and may others you will see that May & Lumsden have done this before and got away with it only one of there victims lost there lives (burnt to death). Maybe after reading this information and educating yourself further you may be able to comment on this case but until that point you have no idea.

Im sure you would have a different view on the justice system in Thiland it the was a member of your family or a friend, and that fact that we all die at some point is true but at the hads of others is another matter.

This case has been to court previously and a not guilty verdict noted on more than 1 occasion, but to end at this shows that the proceeding were a farce.

Edited April 11, 2008 by okay

[jonniebkk]

I have read several of your posts most of which seem to be posted arter the bars close maybe that is why you come accross like a loud mouthed WakNRe

No, it's just that, like many great thinkers, I get my inspired ideas late at nite (or early in the morning)

As for the Thai justice system, sure, it is corrupt to the core! Everybody knows that, especially someone who does business in Thailand. Kevin certainly knew it...likely benefited from this corruption on occasion when running his business (when paying off officials for business licenses or paying the coppers to stay open late, or a million other ways). However, this same system can just as easily be used against you by your personal or business enemies. He should have set-up a plan and salted away a couple million baht in pay-off money if/when the time came that he needed to buy his way out of a jam!

If you live/work/exist in Thailand, you implicitly accept this...that justice is often for sale to the highest bidder. If you cannot accept this or live with such uncertainty or "unfairness", they one needs to return back home.

Apparently, one poster is unawares that in some justice systems, both in the West and here in Thailand, both the defendant and the prosecution can appeal a judge or jury's verdict/sentence. They are different from the English/American system where only the defendant may appeal a criminal conviction. Therefore, the fact that a reviewing court reinstated a criminal conviction is perfectly normal.

I don't understand all the posters who say the justice system doesn't compare to those in the West. Of course it doesn't, it isn't in the West. Nobody seriously expects it too. And by the way, injustices and corruptions of justice of justice are certainly not unknown in those "civilized" countries also. Just witness the many persons who have been released from America's Death Row after years (sometimes decades) of incarceration due to DNA evidence that proved their innocence.

[Jingthing]

J, yes, but it is legit to fight for justice for people wrongly incarcerated, here, in America, or anywhere. I think there is enough slime in this case to raise serious doubts about his guilt.

[Kerryd]

J, yes, but it is legit to fight for justice for people wrongly incarcerated, here, in America, or anywhere. I think there is enough slime in this case to raise serious doubts about his guilt.

Maybe if they dig a little deeper, Mr Quill might find himself in even more trouble than he is currently.

I suspect Mr Quill isn't exactly an angel himself, and it sounds like he's managed to skirt around the shady side of life for awhile. Funny how when people like this finally do get pinched, so many think this must be the first time he's ever done anything bad. It's (probably) just the first time he's been nailed and hasn't been able to wiggle out of it.

And yes, "in the west" he would have probably been able to wiggle out of this (although, "in the west" the police investigation would have most likely been far more thorough and professional, and harder to manipulate, so he may have still ended up behind bars).

But that's it though, isn't it ? We are not "in the west" ! Why do people keep expecting the standards "from the west" to be applied here, in almost every sense ? Whether it be traffic rules, business transactions, relationships, or legal matters, sooooo many people continue to think that things should be like they are back home.

WHY is it so hard for these people to get it through their heads, that THEY ARE NOT BACK HOME ! Get over it. This IS NOT England, Canada, USA, Australia or someplace in the EU !

This IS Asia. This IS Thailand. If you can't handle that fact, if you can't handle that things are different, if YOU can't adjust to reality, well, it's been said many times before. You know what to do. Just try to not let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

If, for some reason, you can't/won't go that route, then try to remember, if you play with fire in this part of the world, it will most likely be a steel door with bars that hits you in the arse, and it will likely be closed on you for a long time.

[Jingthing]

Nobody said he is an angel. What I know of this guy, I don't like him. Nor do I like the people who might have framed him (who I have personally met). According to you, it isn't even legit to raise the possibility that this man might be unjustly imprisoned just because this is Thailand. Sorry, that is ridiculous. Good luck to his family and the British authorities in seeking some kind of compassion for this man.

Edited April 12, 2008 by Jingthing

[Kerryd]

Nobody said he is an angel. What I know of this guy, I don't like him. Nor do I like the people who might have framed him (who I have personally met). According to you, it isn't even legit to raise the possibility that this man might be unjustly imprisoned just because this is Thailand. Sorry, that is ridiculous. Good luck to his family and the British authorities in seeking some kind of compassion for this man.

Not quite the point I was trying to make. Sure, he may have been innocently trying to smuggle (170 cartons of) cigarettes and got set for a fall when (a partner ? the cop ?) snuck 100 yaba tabs into one of the packs.

Then again, maybe he knew about it all along and knowing that he would face a much stiffer sentence for possession of a Class 1 drug, has been trying to pin the blame on someone else ?

Gees, not like that has ever happened before.

Of course, if he was totally legit, he probably wouldn't have been involved in minor affairs like smuggling and bribing police officers. Had he not been involved in those kinds of activities, he may have still been done in one way or another by less than scrupulous business partners, but it would have been a lot easier to convince a judge of his innocence. You pretty much lose any credibility you might have when you admit that you were going to engage in smuggling, and admit having paid bribes to police officers.

What kind of compassion should we have for this type of person ? One who has admitted to conducting criminal activities in Thailand ? Because he develops cancer all should be forgiven ? Or he should receive special treatment and be shipped to a facility in the UK ?

Should this kind of compassion be extended to all ex-pat criminals, or just ones convicted of certain types of crimes ? Should this person receive a different standard of treatment than say, Mr Glitter in Vietnam ?

I'm sorry, but I'm sure there are plenty of actual innocent people in Thai jails right now, that are far more deserving of compassion. I'm also pretty sure that if this guy had of been Russian, Bulgarian, Algerian or what ever, we wouldn't even be discussing it right now.

[Jingthing]

This is an English language board so naturally we are less interested in Bulgarian cases.

Kerry, let me get this straight, to you every farang who engages in illegal activities in Thailand deserves what he gets, no matter how severe? There are alot of beer bar and go go bar owners who must be quaking in their boots then as prostitution is illegal in Thailand. I think many such businesses must pay bribes to police and other mafia as a cost of doing business. Cigarette smuggling was obviously a crime and a stupid crime, but the thing that got him real time is the Yaba and the people he has accused of framing him had a clear motive to do so. There is doubt; this is not a clear cut case of guilt for this severe charge. He is past court appeals apparently. I think alot of more compassionate people would at least like to see him transferred to the UK where he has a chance of surviving prison. Special treatment? Sure, why not? The man has a credible argument for his innocence (true or not, who knows?) and you might look at throat cancer as a karmic punishment for cigarette smuggling.

Edited April 12, 2008 by Jingthing

[Tolley]

The whole case stinks and one has to feel sorry for this guy.

I suppose he was lucky that he wasn't murdered like the other bloke!

Doing business in Thailand is fraught with danger and the number of sad stories i have heard over the years beggars belief.

But there are always fresh guys ready to throw their money around and get ripped off and with the internet these days the lines are getting ever longer.

I think many foreigners just don't understand Thais or Thailand until they have been in Thailand for a fairly good length of time. Unfortunately for many by the time they work things ;out all their money is gone.

I remember the lady in the Kasikron Bank in Pattaya telling me rather matter of factly how many farangs came to Thailand with big money and how they opened accounts at ther branch and that the money eventually dwindled away.

She saw it on a daily basis.

You have to feel a lot of compassion for this guy because we can all make mistakes and be vulnerable but he seems to have been the victim of a deliverate attempt to strip him of all his assets and incarcerate him as well.

[bubblehead]

Cigarette smuggling was obviously a crime and a stupid crime,

Taking 170 cartons of cigarettes out of Thailand is not a crime. It becomes a crime in your own country when you try to enter without declaring them. As long as all relevant taxes were paid on these cigarettes the Thai authorities would not be interested (unless of course somebody planted 100 yaba tablets inside a packet then they would become very interested as this now becomes a nice little earner)

[Jingthing]

Cigarette smuggling was obviously a crime and a stupid crime,

Taking 170 cartons of cigarettes out of Thailand is not a crime. It becomes a crime in your own country when you try to enter without declaring them. As long as all relevant taxes were paid on these cigarettes the Thai authorities would not be interested (unless of course somebody planted 100 yaba tablets inside a packet then they would become very interested as this now becomes a nice little earner)

Yes, yes it is a crime!

Kevin Quill was incarcerated for this heinous crime, fined over 600,000 baht for the illegal cigarettes, and denied bail on the drugs charge for fear he would take flight.

Edited April 12, 2008 by Jingthing

[jonniebkk]

The man has a credible argument for his innocence (true or not, who knows?) and you might look at throat cancer as a karmic punishment for cigarette smuggling.

Jing...I think your heart is getting the better of your head in this case...but your sentiments are noble.

As any "con" will be the first to tell you, there are no guilty men in jail...they are all innocent

There are innocent people in jails around the world...that is for sure. Being a system of rules made by and run by humans, human errors and prejudices are bound to be made. However, it is the best way we have yet devised to enforce the rules and norms of given societies. Most systems in the West and other developed societies are open and transparent, however, this still doesn't guarantee that the "right" verdict will reached. (Just ask the family of Nicole Simpson.) However, "justice," in a legal sense, was done in that case too. Justice is a system...not a preordained result.

What Kevin got was what the Thai justice system offers. It is not perfect but it is better than nothing. It is what the Thai people get and it's what all others who choose to live in the Kingdom will get to if and when they have a case in court. If one wants the protection of what they consider to be free and un-corrupt justice system if they are ever accused of a crime, they need to find another country in which to hang their hat.

[bubblehead]

Yes, yes it is a crime!

Kevin Quill was incarcerated for this heinous crime, fined over 600,000 baht for the illegal cigarettes, and denied bail on the drugs charge for fear he would take flight

I said if all relevant taxes had been paid it is not a crime. The cigarettes must of been the Malaysian duty frees that were knocking about all over Pattaya around this time and being sold by bent customs officers and the police

[stevemcqueen]

Is Kevin Quill originally from Halifax?